we are support units , we only carry 1 weapon, if your in a gun battle with a logi , you have 2 options of attack based on the weapon the said logi is carrying , if hes using an assult rifle , counter him with scrambler or laser , if hes got a lazer or scrambler , get up close and sort him out with your smg , the logi on the other hand has but the 1 option of attack/range and slower movement to boot.
there is no sense of entitlement , im a min logi, prior to the introduction of feroscale plates and the movement penalty reduction on armour plating , i could not cross open ground without sever risk . and the only killer logi was the cal. when they nerfed that suit , most intelligent players wher like " don't nerf that , buff the others " , it made more sense(pluse a 1 slot reduction on the low side)
here's a thought , why not give the logi a true purpose on the field , give us new game modes , with bridges to repair or destroy , bunkers doors road blocks and baricades to fix , things that have to be done to complete the mission , your right in that final piece , that would perk my interest .
why not bring out another class or simply reintroduce the 2 slotted assault suit for the killer logi's .
there are loads of options if we really think about it , this new one by CCP is not one of them .

Can't I be more than just one of those things? :/

A fair answer would be that I am very much annoyed, mostly about not having enough SPs into vehicles to get back in to a useful vehicle role after the respec in 1.7. You see they've changed the SP requirments quite a bit, something I doubt any one would have been able to predict.

But you know what? **** it, I'll just use the SPs I get back to get into a logi suit or two and one of the rifles.

I don't know how much SP you have invested in vehicles but I wrote up a post talking about the very same issue.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1515638#post1515638

Long story short, you may be overestimating how much it'll take to get back into a decent vehicle in 1.7, it won't take as much as the majority of people think it will after looking at the tree.

Apologies for the earlier hostilities in any case, the sheer amount of misinformation floating around has made me jaded in some respects. :P

I use my logi suit as an infiltrator class.

I would like to note that in all of the PC matches I played, including the match my corp fought for you, both the enemy and our team had mostly logis, with like one heavy on each side, a tank and maybe one or two assaults.

Do you not see the problem here?

And that right there is a prime reason to nerf logi.

Because if logi works better for you as 'infiltrator' than using a scout suit... the thing you're SUPPOSED to use for that role.. then something is very wrong.

Side comment: There are some Beast sidearms, when fully skilled.
So, limiting logi to sidearm-only, still does not solve the problem. It only reduces it a little.

The ONLY way to fix it, is to eliminate the ability for logi to brick-tank.
Do that, and they can keep their regular weapon slot. yay.

This is still a fair way off, so don't panic. We'll definitely be posting threads when we get closer at some point in the future.

I wonder how many overlooked the fact that logibro never actually said the logi class was having light weapon slots removed........

I wonder how many overlooked the fact that logibro never actually said the logi class was having light weapon slots removed........

As a logi, this will have ZERO effect on me. I always run with either scrambler pistol (beats AR in CQC) or SMG (beats AR in CQC) anyway.

I wonder how many overlooked the fact that logibro never actually said the logi class was having light weapon slots removed........

The problem with logi assaults is not that logi suits are too strong but that assaults suits are too basic.

what people use something other than a toxin smg on a logi suit?

I wonder how many overlooked the fact that logibro never actually said the logi class was having light weapon slots removed........

Well I guess it comes down to experience on how CCP balance things, example the Tac AR in most threads people demanded a ROF reduction OR a clipsize reduction but CCP reduced ROF, Clipsize and hipfire accuracy. CCP has simple a reputation for overdoing things when it comes to balance. So as everybody cries limit Logis to a siedearm or better remove every weaponslot. The assumption that CCP will listen is not so far off BUT it is just an assumption and CCP is always good for a surprise

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then why link this thread

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1534438#post1534438

why say we recognize there is a problem with logi's and link the sidearm only thread

=Full respec...
I use a)With squad std AR or smg b)without squad sniper. If there is any change with weapon or damage I need respec and I use those SP in more logi stuff... but wait... I have everything at lvl5 there :(

Why doesn't CCP just clarify that they won't be touching the light weapon slot on Logi suits, instead of remaining ominously ambiguous toward this topic?

Keep in mind that the thread we linked to is not necessarily how we will be making changes. It's just a reference point for the issue.

However, ideas on how we can better balance logi suits compared to others are always welcome.

Keep in mind that the thread we linked to is not necessarily how we will be making changes. It's just a reference point for the issue.

However, ideas on how we can better balance logi suits compared to others are always welcome.

Logi's need Dropsuit specific Equipment fitting Bonus, that allow equipment to be fit on their suit almost at no cost. (EVE example Logistic's ship have 99% CPU reduction)

They also need an equipment efficacy Bonus... So no assault can out supply ammo or heal the same as a logi. Uplink efficacy would even be helpful allowing a Logi placed uplink to spawn a full team adverse to an assault's that can spawn 6-8 people.

The Suit's High and low slot's need major reduction in the amount of slot's available. Also the CPU and PG reduced drastically as equipment is near nothing to fit. Also giving the ability to work out with little variables the max slayer/HP tank a logi can in theory make with modules.

In order to balance the slot reduction and keep Logi's alive on battlefield they will need a 25% base suit health boost. allowing CCP to directly control the health point variable.. with the health base of the suit.. more then the max proto modules that can be fitted.

Keep in mind that the thread we linked to is not necessarily how we will be making changes. It's just a reference point for the issue.

However, ideas on how we can better balance logi suits compared to others are always welcome.