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Spectral Clone wrote:

Korvin Lomont wrote:

Spectral Clone wrote:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1534438#post1534438

CCP LogiBro wrote:

[FEEDBACK] Logistics without light weapons - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120712&find=unread
Status: There is a plan to change Logistics skills and that will definitely change their role on the battlefield and prevent players from running as GÇ£slayersGÇ¥ in logi suits.

Nothing new there, this was already mentioned on IRC a while back if I remember correctly. This is the reason I don't understand all the hassle assaultis makes with logis.

The same is true for all the nerf AR threads there will be 2 new rifle shortly come out alongside with some rebalancing to the old one's but everywhere I see nerf like there is no tomorrow.

I just hope CCP is fair enough to allow Logi players a SP refund just like they do with vehicle users in 1.7. So everyone gets the chance to evaluate the changes and can decide if thats still the support he wants to play.

Edit: So you think there is nothing wrong with logis being used as a one man army (times 6 in each squad)?

They should probably refund the SP. It is the only reasonable thing to do.

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Chewie Parker Black Phoenix Mercenaries 55	Posted - 2013.11.26 11:59:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: This is still a fair way off, so don't panic. We'll definitely be posting threads when we get closer at some point in the future. until you popped up , i thought this was just a joking thread for numptys who hate logis ,,,,, but your saying this is true ? you say dont panic when i have put a years worth of time and money into this build , so i guess that logi's will be lumbered with having points in AR that we can not redeem and then we will be expected to spec into a sub or such ...... im honestly dumbfounded .
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1123	Posted - 2013.11.26 12:01:00 - [32] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Ishukone assault SMG here i come with tripple damage mods. On a serious note he sayd that they are looking into changing the skills affecting the suit not taking the light weapon away. I was just lolling, ive done the Dual Ishukone Assault SMG fit with 3x damage mods on my assault suit :p, it rips stuff up ....but then you swap back to a Light Heavy weapon like the Imperial SCR and ....yeah ...SMG's just dont have that punch, they will just Nibble people up ... Like... nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom Swap nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom ...**** they all dead .... Dafuq did I just read. About how it goes when killing a squadwith x2 SMG's only Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 1031	Posted - 2013.11.26 12:03:00 - [33] - Quote Bah CCP when will you learn. Instead of fixing a problem, they just ruin something in order to hide the fix. Problem with match launches? Don't fix it just give them a little pop screen trying to blame "Scotty". People can aim/ people suck? Give them Auto Aim. Lasers killing those slow to react? Tone laser down. Tanks need new models and strength to match AV? Nerf tanks and AV. And so on...... We didn't need a Cal logi nerf, we needed other racial Logistics suits brought up to par with the cal logi. We don't need a logi fix, we need other classes and roles BUFFED, brought upto par with the logistics. -Scouts need to be stealthier, fast, ADV suits that make sense, lil more CPU and a 2nd equip slot. Missing to racial variants. -Heavies need their weapons added (before more medium weapons are added) Current weapons fixed, CPU do your servers show you that heavies are favoring AR, aSCR/SCR over their own weapon set, theres still only 1 heavy racial -Assualt, needs to be front line, offering players more power to attack and good defense when coupled with logistics. -Commandos, flat out dumb. fat and slow, they need speed, 2 grenade types, equipment. IRL they are special combatants, offering great breach power on fast/impact attacks. On dust they are a red headed step son that not even the orphanage will adopt out. All in all the fix for logi's, TTK and many other balance issues comes from the fact that Logi's currently servive he best, they do well in gunfights, and should be seen as a platform to build on, not a target to nerf and hide inability to develope other classes and roles. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
R F Gyro Clones 4u 674	Posted - 2013.11.26 12:08:00 - [34] - Quote Chewie Parker wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: This is still a fair way off, so don't panic. We'll definitely be posting threads when we get closer at some point in the future. until you popped up , i thought this was just a joking thread for numptys who hate logis ,,,,, but your saying this is true ? you say dont panic when i have put a years worth of time and money into this build , so i guess that logi's will be lumbered with having points in AR that we can not redeem and then we will be expected to spec into a sub or such ...... im honestly dumbfounded . You realise you are just moaning about problems in your own assumptions, yes? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Chewie Parker Black Phoenix Mercenaries 56	Posted - 2013.11.26 12:11:00 - [35] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Chewie Parker wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: This is still a fair way off, so don't panic. We'll definitely be posting threads when we get closer at some point in the future. until you popped up , i thought this was just a joking thread for numptys who hate logis ,,,,, but your saying this is true ? you say dont panic when i have put a years worth of time and money into this build , so i guess that logi's will be lumbered with having points in AR that we can not redeem and then we will be expected to spec into a sub or such ...... im honestly dumbfounded . You realise you are just moaning about problems in your own assumptions, yes? if you would be so kind as to elaborate on your previous comment , i may be able to reply .
Chewie Parker Black Phoenix Mercenaries 56	Posted - 2013.11.26 12:14:00 - [36] - Quote Chewie Parker wrote: R F Gyro wrote: Chewie Parker wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: This is still a fair way off, so don't panic. We'll definitely be posting threads when we get closer at some point in the future. until you popped up , i thought this was just a joking thread for numptys who hate logis ,,,,, but your saying this is true ? you say dont panic when i have put a years worth of time and money into this build , so i guess that logi's will be lumbered with having points in AR that we can not redeem and then we will be expected to spec into a sub or such ...... im honestly dumbfounded . You realise you are just moaning about problems in your own assumptions, yes? if you would be so kind as to elaborate on your previous comment , i may be able to reply . you missunderstand , this isn't moaning this , is shock at CCP's inept abilities
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 428	Posted - 2013.11.26 12:16:00 - [37] - Quote YEP
matsumoto yuichi san SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 23	Posted - 2013.11.26 12:17:00 - [38] - Quote well at least they have said it's a problem. although the fair bit off makes me a sad person
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1772	Posted - 2013.11.26 12:21:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: This is still a fair way off, so don't panic. We'll definitely be posting threads when we get closer at some point in the future. Very well but what will happen to my amarr logi if it gets no light weapon? If you guys gimp my amarr logi I will leave. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Justice Prevails 118	Posted - 2013.11.26 12:30:00 - [40] - Quote Just happy to see a blue tag. Haven't seen one in a while:-) Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.

KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 428	Posted - 2013.11.26 12:34:00 - [41] - Quote I doubt they will remove light weaponry. They will probably mess with the fitting costs and adjust suit bonuses to encourage equipment focused fits, leaving it impossible to have more damage/tanking ability than Assaults can fit in their slots.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 203	Posted - 2013.11.26 12:37:00 - [42] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: Sure fire way to tell whether or not you're getting a respec if/when this change (that we know nothing about) hits. Is the skill tree being changed? No? Then you're not getting a respec. Actually if the suit bonus and or racial bonus changes then technically that 5 percent per level that you skill up in dropsuit command is being changed. So yes the skill tree is in fact being changed.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 449	Posted - 2013.11.26 12:52:00 - [43] - Quote Nothing new here, you nerftards can move along. They plan to change the racial bonuses to be equipment related but have to make some programming changes first b/c the code won't let them do it right now. SoonGäó, lol. crunch thanks for the popcorn... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 270	Posted - 2013.11.26 12:55:00 - [44] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: It-¦s going to be so much butthurt on this forum from the crutch users the day this patch drops (hopefully logi is reworked already in 1.7). Logi will hopefully become a force multiplier to the team. Lets just hope they dont give them Dual Wield Sidearms, 50 armor reps/second, 2 grenade slots, base 50% EHP increase :p We all know what happened at the last rebalance pass Dual Sidearms with dualwielding I just remembered the very first picture I saw of a minmater logi wielding two smg's...
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 270	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:00:00 - [45] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1534438#post1534438 CCP LogiBro wrote: [FEEDBACK] Logistics without light weapons - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120712&find=unread Status: There is a plan to change Logistics skills and that will definitely change their role on the battlefield and prevent players from running as GÇ£slayersGÇ¥ in logi suits. Nothing new there, this was already mentioned on IRC a while back if I remember correctly. This is the reason I don't understand all the hassle assaultis makes with logis. The same is true for all the nerf AR threads there will be 2 new rifle shortly come out alongside with some rebalancing to the old one's but everywhere I see nerf like there is no tomorrow. I just hope CCP is fair enough to allow Logi players a SP refund just like they do with vehicle users in 1.7. So everyone gets the chance to evaluate the changes and can decide if thats still the support he wants to play. Edit: So you think there is nothing wrong with logis being used as a one man army (times 6 in each squad)? They should probably refund the SP. It is the only reasonable thing to do. I rarely run in squad with only logis, I know some do but not all, I prefere a good mix.
BMSTUBBY 343	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:05:00 - [46] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: This is still a fair way off, so don't panic. We'll definitely be posting threads when we get closer at some point in the future. Very well but what will happen to my amarr logi if it gets no light weapon? If you guys gimp my amarr logi I will leave. Like your sig states, "I'll take your Iskies" when you leave, thanks. I used to play DUST514 but then CCP took a COD arrow to their knee. MMO Someday SoonGäó
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2005	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:16:00 - [47] - Quote This will be the change that killed the game. I'm gone if they make logi suits support only. No threat or QQ. I just won't play. This will be the nail in the coffin. Then all the Eve nerds can sit around and jerk off with spreadsheets until there isn't enough income to justify development. Maybe Dust will just turn into a mini game for securing PI locations. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 590	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:16:00 - [48] - Quote what people use something other than a toxin smg on a logi suit? Dust514 Stats, Have you updated today? I do maths, and sit in a corner.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2378	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:18:00 - [49] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: This will be the change that killed the game. I'm gone if they make logi suits support only. No threat or QQ. I just won't play. This will be the nail in the coffin. Then all the Eve nerds can sit around and jerk off with spreadsheets until there isn't enough income to justify development. Maybe Dust will just turn into a mini game for securing PI locations. Logis are supposed to be a support unit only. Hence the term logistics. Christ almighty the entitlement is hilarious. What the hell did you think you were signing up for? At most you should have a sidearm and thats it.
Hecarim Van Hohen Knights of Eternal Darkness 258	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:18:00 - [50] - Quote All I care is how / if they are going to keep the Amarr logi as an front line support as is the suits description. Besides that the logi getting a change is nothing surprising or even new. D-í¦¦¦¦i-ó¦¦¦+¦¿¦ºv-ë-£i-ë¦ó¦¦d¦ò-Ç¦íe¦¦-ë-í¦ò-ó ¦ò¦+-üw¦¿¦¦e-ü -ë¦òs¦¢¦+t-Å¦+-£a¦¢-án-¥¦¢-ƒ¦¢d-ü-í-ó¦ó-ó ¦¦u-ÿ-ó¦¦¦+n-ÿ-í¦¦-ü-ëi¦ó-ó-Pt-Å-Åe¦º-Å-Çd-Å-ó -ü-ÿ-ü-íw¦¿-¥-£¦í-ëe¦¦-ÿ-ü -í-ü¦óf-ía¦¢¦+-P¦í-ól-ƒ¦ó

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1502	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:19:00 - [51] - Quote As long as its not a slot nerf I'm not fussed, I need that hp, a dead logi is a useless logi. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 620	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:19:00 - [52] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: All I care is how / if they are going to keep the Amarr logi as an front line support as is the suits description. Besides that the logi getting a change is nothing surprising or even new. The news is that logi suit will be less of a one man army (logi/slayer). KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1134	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:20:00 - [53] - Quote Mregomies wrote: =Full respec... I use a)With squad std AR or smg b)without squad sniper. If there is any change with weapon or damage I need respec and I use those SP in more logi stuff... but wait... I have everything at lvl5 there :( Logi Suit Respec maybe. Wouldn't justify a full one. After all you can still use equipment with Assault suits. But I guess letting you respec points you put into logi suits would be justified. I wonder if they're going to change the Amarr Logi suit though. I thought it was intended as the combat logi suit? But it would finally justify getting an Assault suit. But which one?! For a future user of the Combat Rifle and SMG I guess it's Minmatar then?
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2143	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:23:00 - [54] - Quote Thats ok, I don't use my light weapon ever since I got my Core Grenades. They induce rage mails......
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 125	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:27:00 - [55] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Mregomies wrote: =Full respec... I use a)With squad std AR or smg b)without squad sniper. If there is any change with weapon or damage I need respec and I use those SP in more logi stuff... but wait... I have everything at lvl5 there :( Logi Suit Respec maybe. Wouldn't justify a full one. After all you can still use equipment with Assault suits. But I guess letting you respec points you put into logi suits would be justified. I wonder if they're going to change the Amarr Logi suit though. I thought it was intended as the combat logi suit? But it would finally justify getting an Assault suit. But which one?! For a future user of the Combat Rifle and SMG I guess it's Minmatar then? I'm about to get my proto cal assault. Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
Akdhar Saif Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 75	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:32:00 - [56] - Quote I've been using an SMG logi for a while now anyway
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 954	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:34:00 - [57] - Quote I can get onboard the sidearm thing if you'd give me at least 2 Gallente sidearms to choose from. This comes from a Gallente Logi with 0 sidearms currently and 3 proto light weapons. That's also the problem if we become sidearm only, most of us haven't specced into sidearms, and we'd have no use for our light weapons. From the sound of it though they aren't making us sidearm only, they said they are retweaking the skills. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war. SoonGäó514 CPM1 Candidate
Hecarim Van Hohen Knights of Eternal Darkness 259	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:37:00 - [58] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: All I care is how / if they are going to keep the Amarr logi as an front line support as is the suits description. Besides that the logi getting a change is nothing surprising or even new. The news is that logi suit will be less of a one man army (logi/slayer). When did something so old turn new? Changes to logi suits have been discussed for a long time now unless my memory totally fails me. I just hope they won't over do these changes. D-í¦¦¦¦i-ó¦¦¦+¦¿¦ºv-ë-£i-ë¦ó¦¦d¦ò-Ç¦íe¦¦-ë-í¦ò-ó ¦ò¦+-üw¦¿¦¦e-ü -ë¦òs¦¢¦+t-Å¦+-£a¦¢-án-¥¦¢-ƒ¦¢d-ü-í-ó¦ó-ó ¦¦u-ÿ-ó¦¦¦+n-ÿ-í¦¦-ü-ëi¦ó-ó-Pt-Å-Åe¦º-Å-Çd-Å-ó -ü-ÿ-ü-íw¦¿-¥-£¦í-ëe¦¦-ÿ-ü -í-ü¦óf-ía¦¢¦+-P¦í-ól-ƒ¦ó
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 620	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:43:00 - [59] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: All I care is how / if they are going to keep the Amarr logi as an front line support as is the suits description. Besides that the logi getting a change is nothing surprising or even new. The news is that logi suit will be less of a one man army (logi/slayer). When did something so old turn new? Changes to logi suits have been discussed for a long time now unless my memory totally fails me. I just hope they won't over do these changes. Changes have been discussed by players previously, yes. CCP has now highlighted that this is an issue in the game. There is quite a difference. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1806	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:45:00 - [60] - Quote I feel like the change might be, "logis get an equipment fitting reduction bonus". Which means they suck if you try to fit equipment AND tank/weapons.



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