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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10642	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:42:00 - [1] - Quote BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Thor McStrut Reckoners 446	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:47:00 - [2] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Beware, using their logic against them makes you a fanboi and illogical.
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 515	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:47:00 - [3] - Quote If it's just vehicle militia BPOs being removed, thats cool, but if it's dropsuit BPOs thats a problem... The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 196	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:49:00 - [4] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. You are a complete knucklehead.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10649	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:55:00 - [5] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. You are a complete knucklehead. Hurk a durk Brute force logic doesn't taste too well does it? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1762	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:56:00 - [6] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: If it's just vehicle militia BPOs being removed, thats cool, but if it's dropsuit BPOs thats a problem... ^ this "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz 224	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:07:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Seems strange to me. CCP is taking away modules, even giving you aur for them, which is what you used to buy them in the first place. Most of these things were useless, trash items. So you drive around in a milita tank bpo, which is kinda bullshit anyways, but you pop in seconds to swarms, so cool. But for items that really held no huge advantage in battle, the hate seems a bit much. They imbalance the game. Tanking is one of the most expensive roles. Yet if I had me a bpo tank, I could drive them all day without a care for losing them. And I could rack up some wp off turrets and be making bank. So while actually somewhat useless, they can be used to rack up quick WP, not to mention games lacking in AV. Everyone loves the idea, nothing is free, until they start taking your free stuff away. BPO's were a bad decision on CCP's part and I can't help but feel these people crying bloody murder, have a point. They would expect you to give them new BPOs for the new modules to use. Which seems fair. Yet still, I see these sort of things bad overall for a universe that is all about Nothing being free. And I think a lot of this may be due to the state of dust, a lot of people are unhappy. Now you are taking their BPOs from them. Now they are super unhappy customers, who feel cheated. They don't want aur, nothing on the market compares to those bpos. It's your customers getting the short end of the stick. Overall it is necessary, but I don't know if aur really cuts it. Maybe some unique suits or something eh. Or add some customization options for buy on the market. Aur is no doubt useless to the people who own these bpos. Nuff Said
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 309	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:19:00 - [8] - Quote Thank you iron wolf, good to know our CPM isn't as stupid and narrow minded as these poor fools. I'm sorry you had to make a thread of your own, I was hoping my other thread would enlighten these crusaders. Also the game required a download and hardrive space, by their logic we should also be compensated for this. And sending another hardrive won't do,the item must be more than what its worth.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 955	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:33:00 - [9] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days. whats funny is the new rifles have tight hipfire AKA as the OP TAR the longest range rifles are good in CQC black friday has plenty of game deals so its bench time for dust or delete Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5355	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:36:00 - [10] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days. whats funny is the new rifles have tight hipfire AKA as the OP TAR the longest range rifles are good in CQC black friday has plenty of game deals so its bench time for dust or delete How is this at all relevant to this thread? Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10663	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:59:00 - [11] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: whats funny is the new rifles have tight hipfire AKA as the OP TAR the longest range rifles are good in CQC black friday has plenty of game deals so its bench time for dust or delete Unless you had time with the rifles I cannot take your claim seriously. NDA does have its privileges and the community team on cpm urging did wanted to get videos out but marketing wanted something fancy and with the time to patch there wasn't enough for it. Either way a video itself won't do it justice either we're all gonna have to wait until we get these guns in our hands. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 119	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:22:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days. IWS all im trying to do is ensire the community is treated respectfully and can safely spend their cash in this game.. I don't disagree that they can do this... but how is removing items purchased you thought were permanent? the only reason we thought they were permanent is cause ccp said they were. just be straight with me here, should I trust that ccp wont change their minds with how other purchases work leaving my investment worthless? am I so wrong for wanting to foster a relationship with ccp where they honor their word and in turn I give them all my money? do you really think my concerns are baseless? again I get the legal aspect, I don't really own any of this stuff I buy a license to use it. but shouldn't they have been a bit more straight with us? instead of posting we would keep them and then removing them without an acknowledgement they went back on their word? hell I may have said I support you take them! but they were sneaky. cant you see that? well regardless I cant buy anything from them anymore because I don't trust them, and ive been very supportive. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
4447 Resolution XIII 830	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:34:00 - [13] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: If it's just vehicle militia BPOs being removed, thats cool, but if it's dropsuit BPOs thats a problem... Maybe you should look at a interview i watch about CCP on BPOGÇª They said i quote " BPO are not working because they don't help the economy because players are not spending their ISK" It's a joke because BPO are standard gear and everyone is advance or proto. I really don't get CCP logic, Or i do and they don't want player framing ISK because then players won't be spending real money on items. Creep, Radiohead.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10670	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:03:00 - [14] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: IWS all im trying to do is ensure the community is treated respectfully and can safely spend their cash in this game.. I don't disagree that they can do this... but how is removing items purchased you thought were permanent? The only reason we thought they were permanent is cause ccp said they were. just be straight with me here, should I trust that ccp wont change their minds with how other purchases work leaving my investment worthless? Am I so wrong for wanting to foster a relationship with ccp where they honor their word and in turn I give them all my money? do you really think my concerns are baseless? Again I get the legal aspect, I don't really own any of this stuff I buy a license to use it. but shouldn't they have been a bit more straight with us? Instead of posting we would keep them and then removing them without an acknowledgement they went back on their word? Hell I may have said I support you take them! but they were sneaky; can't you see that? Well regardless I can't buy anything from them anymore because I don't trust them, and ive been very supportive. Actually your prattle is disenfranchising the most of us who want to see this game in a far better place where we'd be more willing to throw money at the game then, most of the folks are okay with getting the aurum refund at the last available market price. They already knew factors of this where coming with the removal of all bpo sources underway was a signal to most of us that BPOs was a design mistake that should have never been introduced and CCP is doing this as fair they're legally allowed to. Save the rage for times when it serious matters because the thing is this complaint has nearly popped up with EVERY type of refund so far, including the SP argument I brought up here was complained about in the past as well when they redid the infantry and entire skill tree just about. Wasting the protests over the smaller and trivial things is going to start pushing ccp into a corner where they just start ignoring us as a whole. Dust has gone through quite a bit amount of painful growing since its start, CCP has learned a crap ton of lessons since starting development and its costing them arm and limb to get dust 514 fixed. Where most other companies would have shut down games three of four times as more polished as Dust but CCP is still very committed to make this work and getting it to work. Where would MAG be if it had monthly updates that added to the game and changed it up? We won't ever know because the company gave up on it. I am very damn sure had you not wasted your energy on your BPO crusade and spent all that energy into getting the Boosters prices lowered instead you'd be praised hero instead of labeled as a general annoyance. There are always bigger fish to fry and that's why I don't seem to care at times when it comes to smaller things like these, there are better fights to be found at times, better energy to be spent and only so much time. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 120	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:06:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days. IWS all im trying to do is ensire the community is treated respectfully and can safely spend their cash in this game.. I don't disagree that they can do this... but how is removing items purchased you thought were permanent? the only reason we thought they were permanent is cause ccp said they were. just be straight with me here, should I trust that ccp wont change their minds with how other purchases work leaving my investment worthless? am I so wrong for wanting to foster a relationship with ccp where they honor their word and in turn I give them all my money? do you really think my concerns are baseless? again I get the legal aspect, I don't really own any of this stuff I buy a license to use it. but shouldn't they have been a bit more straight with us? instead of posting we would keep them and then removing them without an acknowledgement they went back on their word? hell I may have said I support you take them! but they were sneaky. cant you see that? well regardless I cant buy anything from them anymore because I don't trust them, and ive been very supportive. Actually your prattle is disenfranchising the most of us who want to see this game in a far better place where we'd be more willing to throw money at the game then, most of the folks are okay with getting the aurum refund at the last available market price. They already knew factors of this where coming with the removal of all bpo sources underway was a signal to most of us that BPOs where a design mistake that should have never been introduced and CCP is doing this as fair they're legally allowed to. Save the rage for times when it serious matters because the thing is this complaint has nearly popped up with EVERY type of refund so far, including the SP argument I brought up here was complained about in the past as well when they redid the infantry and entire skill tree just about. Wasting the protests over the smaller and trivial things is going to start pushing ccp into a corner where they just start ignoring us as a whole. Dust has gone through quite a bit amount of painful growing since its start, CCP has learned a crap ton of lessons since starting development and its costing them arm and limb to get dust 514 fixed. Where most other companies would have shut down games three of four times as more polished as Dust but CCP is still very committed to make this work and getting it to work. Where would MAG be if it had monthly updates that added to the game and changed it up? We won't ever know because the company gave up on it. I am very damn sure had you not wasted your energy on your BPO crusade and spent all that energy into getting the Boosters prices lowered instead you'd be praised hero instead of labeled as a general annoyance. There are always bigger fish to fry and that's why I don't seem to care at times when it comes to smaller things like these, there are better fights to be found at times, better energy to be spent and only so much time. I read up to the word prattle and stopped.... you are such a ccp sympathizer and you need to get off the cpm. I'm done talking to you because you are unreasonable.... however I will keep posting. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10672	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:16:00 - [16] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: I read up to the word prattle and stopped.... you are such a ccp sympathizer and you need to get off the cpm. I'm done talking to you because you are unreasonable.... however I will keep posting. I'm not done with you. In the 9 short threads you have posted you have consistently proved unworkable. Unreasonable is too kind of a descriptor for you as you come off as a self entitled child unable to live out in a world where people are going to step on you when you like it or not and are left wondering why its your fault it happens. I've been to places where people have no rights to anything. I've been apart of a group of people who gave up many of the most basic rights the rest of my country enjoys. I know what it is like to have nothing but yourself and your trust on hand. To be dependent on others and understand how stupid things work and how most of my own biggest problems in my life are at all times been my own fault; and to that my own ability to fix as well. I also have gone through the legal process before against a software company, its not fun going against companies like Sony or Apple and for my troubles 25 cents. Was the entire worth of my 180 hour music collection that was unfortunately unrecoverable as the songs of free distribution (as in the artist/publisher did not sell the music) destroyed are not sold no are they kept hosted back in those days. I am sure I spent over 40 bucks in additional internet fees acquiring the songs back then when internet companies charged you for over downloading. I have no pity for you. I have no mercy for you. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
4447 Resolution XIII 830	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:18:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days. I find it funny your a CPM, but defend CCP. Creep, Radiohead.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 40	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:21:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days. Slow clap... Congratulations on entirely misrepresenting the point, you'll do well. Just for the cheap seats, let me define the actual problem. Here's what it's not: 1. It's not that 4 limited value soon to be obsolete BPO's are being removed 2. It's not that everyone complaining is an entitled cry-baby who can't read a contract Here's what it is: 3. It is that CCP advertised to the player base that they should spend money to get AUR, to purchase BPO before they went off the market 4. It is that CCP made a representation that BPO's in inventory would be safe 5. It is that it is now evident that BPO's in inventory are not safe 6. It is that customers purchased AUR based on the above representation by CCP, and feel they have been misled by points 3, 4, and 5 7. It is that AUR refund that would only allow customers to purchase limited use items, as there is no longer the option of purchasing BPOs within the Dust ecosystem 8. It is that a number of customers are seeking a refund outside of the offered AUR, as the Dust ecosystem holds less value to them with the removal of BPOs Let me know if I need to dumb it down for you a bit more, and maybe think twice before you post hyperbole when representing of someone else's viewpoint.
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 411	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:22:00 - [19] - Quote IWS you should know better than to argue with idiots, they will drag you to their level and beat you with experience.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10674	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:33:00 - [20] - Quote 4447 wrote: I find it funny your a CPM, but defend CCP. Saving the community from itself. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked

4447 Resolution XIII 832	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:34:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days. I also find it funny, That as your a CPM your job is to inform players of information and the right information. Creep, Radiohead.
Dr Dammit Sognariket Logistics 4	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:37:00 - [22] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days. A member of the CPM labels a sub-set of players whiners, and proceeds to explain why with a list of cheap straw-men. Impressive.
4447 Resolution XIII 832	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:38:00 - [23] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: 4447 wrote: I find it funny your a CPM, but defend CCP. Saving the community from itself. saving the community Your dividing the community. people are scared of losing their BPO and your calling them idiots. These players are not idiots, Just ill informed. Creep, Radiohead.
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 479	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:40:00 - [24] - Quote I find funny that we are expected to have the same opinions. I don't like CCP taking anything away from my inventory, I like BPO's and payed for them. Why can I be so wrong ? A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós ! Hey CCP, give me PvE!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1331	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:41:00 - [25] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: Beware, using their logic against them makes you a fanboi and illogical. -Tanker's Logic Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
4447 Resolution XIII 832	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:42:00 - [26] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: I find funny that we are expected to have the same opinions. I don't like CCP taking anything away from my inventory, I like BPO's and payed for them. Why can I be so wrong ? CCP has said that BPO are not being taken away from peoples inventory. Creep, Radiohead.
jin foxdale Jedi Slime. 110	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:59:00 - [27] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'm not done with you. Brilliant. +1 Give 'em Hell!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10679	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:03:00 - [28] - Quote 4447 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: 4447 wrote: I find it funny your a CPM, but defend CCP. Saving the community from itself. saving the community Your dividing the community. people are scared of losing their BPO and your calling them idiots. These players are not idiots, Just ill informed. All I ask is for people to step back and look at the much more massive picture at hand here. To not pre-label CCP as a money grubbing thief and try to see the situation play out entirely from start to finish as a passive observer. You can see why the bpo whining has nearly no traction then. Quality, all I ask for. I got nothing to show from any of the BPO whiners that's worthwhile fighting with. For example lets say you did spend 5 usd to buying these blueprints. How much of that 5 usd made it to ccp after sony, and other local governments got down with it? If CCP had to refund what's left to you guys how much would be left then? There had been other cases in the past where people got billed for money earned back from a class action lawsuit most not at fault of the company but that of government's that hosted the legal actions. Ultimately the noise overall is harmful. People are getting annoyed by it, the noisemakers are splitting the community just as bad as I ever possibly could and you want to get mad at me for trying to smack some sense into them? People are entitled to their opinions but it truly upsets me when they just bandwagon and take the ride off the cliff. Get off the bandwagon and speak for yourselves. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 2157	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:10:00 - [29] - Quote All I ask is that Ironwolf kindly shut up and stop attempting diplomacy or trying to 'make people feel better'. You suck at it, and all you do is offend people on both sides and make bad situations worse. Thanks.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10680	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:10:00 - [30] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: All I ask is that Ironwolf kindly shut up and stop attempting diplomacy or trying to 'make people feel better'. You suck at it, and all you do is offend people on both sides and make bad situations worse. Thanks. :P Diplomacy is a tool to make people feel good. I had no such intentions. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked

jin foxdale Jedi Slime. 110	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:23:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Nova Knife wrote: All I ask is that Ironwolf kindly shut up and stop attempting diplomacy or trying to 'make people feel better'. You suck at it, and all you do is offend people on both sides and make bad situations worse. Thanks. :P Diplomacy is a tool to make people feel good. I had no such intentions. get a room.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10684	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:25:00 - [32] - Quote jin foxdale wrote: get a room. He's far too handsome for the likes of me, I'm sorry it cannot be done. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
jin foxdale Jedi Slime. 110	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:28:00 - [33] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: jin foxdale wrote: get a room. He's far too handsome for the likes of me, I'm sorry it cannot be done. then get a Thunderdome.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1341	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:30:00 - [34] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: All I ask is that Ironwolf kindly shut up and stop attempting diplomacy or trying to 'make people feel better'. You suck at it, and all you do is offend people on both sides and make bad situations worse. Thanks. I think IWS does a pretty good job of things. Why all the hate? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
jin foxdale Jedi Slime. 111	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:34:00 - [35] - Quote Atiim wrote: Nova Knife wrote: All I ask is that Ironwolf kindly shut up and stop attempting diplomacy or trying to 'make people feel better'. You suck at it, and all you do is offend people on both sides and make bad situations worse. Thanks. I think IWS does a pretty good job of things. Why all the hate? Some of the venom IWS gets is obscene, I'm always impressed the way it seems to roll off of him. EDIT: I'm not classing what you said as "venom", Nova Knife. I meant in general.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 2160	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:39:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Saving the community from itself. This in and of itself is joke-worthy. IWS, you are a man of many talents, but basic social and conversational skills are not among them. You started this thread with the intent to 'troll', but like so many others on the forums having no conceptual understanding of what trolling truly is and merely make yourself out to look like an idiot while enraging both those who oppose and support your point. As a council, we're supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard. This is not to say that we're better than anyone else, but we're /expected/ to maintain a certain air of humility and civility. While we are not forbidden to troll or be rude, it is extremely poor taste to do so, especially regarding such a 'hot button' issue when people are legitimately upset about CCP handling an issue in a poor fashion. Especially when considering that many people (even if they are mistaken) value the word of the CPM as if it was something relayed to them by CCP or that a 'troll post' is what the CPM is relaying to CCP on the behalf the of the players. The BPO "Issue" is a very real one, and while some people (xLuca, I'm looking at you) need to seriously tone down their posting and stop making new threads.... IWS you need to kindly shut up and take your poor attitude elsewhere. I fully believe that removing BPO's is the right call. However I believe that CCP handled this very poorly and strongly cautioned them beforehand that a simple refund would provoke an aggressive response because the perceived value of the purchase needs to be preserved. At the very least, CCP will not touch -any- other BPO's in people's inventories without coming up with a solid plan to preserve the value of the purchase. As my Addendum to the initial quote : IWS, if you think you're saving the community from itself... I suppose it is my job to save the community (and CCP) from you.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 218	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:41:00 - [37] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days. You know what i find funny? How CCP disappoints their Player base/Costumers over and over again and then makes fun of them. Very pro...
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1878	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:48:00 - [38] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Seems strange to me. CCP is taking away modules, even giving you aur for them, which is what you used to buy them in the first place. Most of these things were useless, trash items. So you drive around in a milita tank bpo, which is kinda bullshit anyways, but you pop in seconds to swarms, so cool. But for items that really held no huge advantage in battle, the hate seems a bit much. They imbalance the game. Tanking is one of the most expensive roles. Yet if I had me a bpo tank, I could drive them all day without a care for losing them. And I could rack up some wp off turrets and be making bank. So while actually somewhat useless, they can be used to rack up quick WP, not to mention games lacking in AV. Everyone loves the idea, nothing is free, until they start taking your free stuff away. BPO's were a bad decision on CCP's part and I can't help but feel these people crying bloody murder, have a point. They would expect you to give them new BPOs for the new modules to use. Which seems fair. Yet still, I see these sort of things bad overall for a universe that is all about Nothing being free. And I think a lot of this may be due to the state of dust, a lot of people are unhappy. Now you are taking their BPOs from them. Now they are super unhappy customers, who feel cheated. They don't want aur, nothing on the market compares to those bpos. It's your customers getting the short end of the stick. Overall it is necessary, but I don't know if aur really cuts it. Maybe some unique suits or something eh. Or add some customization options for buy on the market. Aur is no doubt useless to the people who own these bpos. This post was missed but it's a good observation. Both sides of the fence are tired. The natives are restless. With that comes conflict and confusion. I really would like to add to your opinion but I don't really feel like typing novels.
4447 Resolution XIII 837	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:49:00 - [39] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Saving the community from itself. This in and of itself is joke-worthy. IWS, you are a man of many talents, but basic social and conversational skills are not among them. You started this thread with the intent to 'troll', but like so many others on the forums having no conceptual understanding of what trolling truly is and merely make yourself out to look like an idiot while enraging both those who oppose and support your point. As a council, we're supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard. This is not to say that we're better than anyone else, but we're /expected/ to maintain a certain air of humility and civility. While we are not forbidden to troll or be rude, it is extremely poor taste to do so, especially regarding such a 'hot button' issue when people are legitimately upset about CCP handling an issue in a poor fashion. Especially when considering that many people (even if they are mistaken) value the word of the CPM as if it was something relayed to them by CCP or that a 'troll post' is what the CPM is relaying to CCP on the behalf the of the players. The BPO "Issue" is a very real one, and while some people (xLuca, I'm looking at you) need to seriously tone down their posting and stop making new threads.... IWS you need to kindly shut up and take your poor attitude elsewhere. I fully believe that removing BPO's is the right call. However I believe that CCP handled this very poorly and strongly cautioned them beforehand that a simple refund would provoke an aggressive response because the perceived value of the purchase needs to be preserved. At the very least, CCP will not touch -any- other BPO's in people's inventories without coming up with a solid plan to preserve the value of the purchase. As my Addendum to the initial quote : IWS, if you think you're saving the community from itself... I suppose it is my job to save the community (and CCP) from you. This is all IWS had to do... Creep, Radiohead.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1878	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:54:00 - [40] - Quote Uh really, that discussion should be in house. That is the respectable and proper way of business. You don't go against members of your own kind in front of people.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10696	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:06:00 - [41] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: This in and of itself is joke-worthy. IWS, you are a man of many talents, but basic social and conversational skills are not among them. You started this thread with the intent to 'troll', but like so many others on the forums having no conceptual understanding of what trolling truly is and merely make yourself out to look like an idiot while enraging both those who oppose and support your point. As a council, we're supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard. This is not to say that we're better than anyone else, but we're /expected/ to maintain a certain air of humility and civility. While we are not forbidden to troll or be rude, it is extremely poor taste to do so, especially regarding such a 'hot button' issue when people are legitimately upset about CCP handling an issue in a poor fashion. Especially when considering that many people (even if they are mistaken) value the word of the CPM as if it was something relayed to them by CCP or that a 'troll post' is what the CPM is relaying to CCP on the behalf the of the players. The BPO "Issue" is a very real one, and while some people (xLuca, I'm looking at you) need to seriously tone down their posting and stop making new threads.... IWS you need to kindly shut up and take your poor attitude elsewhere. I fully believe that removing BPO's is the right call. However I believe that CCP handled this very poorly and strongly cautioned them beforehand that a simple refund would provoke an aggressive response because the perceived value of the purchase needs to be preserved. At the very least, CCP will not touch -any- other BPO's in people's inventories without coming up with a solid plan to preserve the value of the purchase. As my Addendum to the initial quote : IWS, if you think you're saving the community from itself... I suppose it is my job to save the community (and CCP) from you. ... I was going to say something but realized it wouldn't have been diplomatic at all and it was something not to be said in front of the kids. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10696	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:08:00 - [42] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Seems strange to me. CCP is taking away modules, even giving you aur for them, which is what you used to buy them in the first place. Most of these things were useless, trash items. So you drive around in a milita tank bpo, which is kinda bullshit anyways, but you pop in seconds to swarms, so cool. But for items that really held no huge advantage in battle, the hate seems a bit much. They imbalance the game. Tanking is one of the most expensive roles. Yet if I had me a bpo tank, I could drive them all day without a care for losing them. And I could rack up some wp off turrets and be making bank. So while actually somewhat useless, they can be used to rack up quick WP, not to mention games lacking in AV. Everyone loves the idea, nothing is free, until they start taking your free stuff away. BPO's were a bad decision on CCP's part and I can't help but feel these people crying bloody murder, have a point. They would expect you to give them new BPOs for the new modules to use. Which seems fair. Yet still, I see these sort of things bad overall for a universe that is all about Nothing being free. And I think a lot of this may be due to the state of dust, a lot of people are unhappy. Now you are taking their BPOs from them. Now they are super unhappy customers, who feel cheated. They don't want aur, nothing on the market compares to those bpos. It's your customers getting the short end of the stick. Overall it is necessary, but I don't know if aur really cuts it. Maybe some unique suits or something eh. Or add some customization options for buy on the market. Aur is no doubt useless to the people who own these bpos. Thank you for you level headed reply. This is quite usable and will put it to good use when/if possible.. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
4447 Resolution XIII 837	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:23:00 - [43] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Nova Knife wrote: This in and of itself is joke-worthy. IWS, you are a man of many talents, but basic social and conversational skills are not among them. You started this thread with the intent to 'troll', but like so many others on the forums having no conceptual understanding of what trolling truly is and merely make yourself out to look like an idiot while enraging both those who oppose and support your point. As a council, we're supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard. This is not to say that we're better than anyone else, but we're /expected/ to maintain a certain air of humility and civility. While we are not forbidden to troll or be rude, it is extremely poor taste to do so, especially regarding such a 'hot button' issue when people are legitimately upset about CCP handling an issue in a poor fashion. Especially when considering that many people (even if they are mistaken) value the word of the CPM as if it was something relayed to them by CCP or that a 'troll post' is what the CPM is relaying to CCP on the behalf the of the players. The BPO "Issue" is a very real one, and while some people (xLuca, I'm looking at you) need to seriously tone down their posting and stop making new threads.... IWS you need to kindly shut up and take your poor attitude elsewhere. I fully believe that removing BPO's is the right call. However I believe that CCP handled this very poorly and strongly cautioned them beforehand that a simple refund would provoke an aggressive response because the perceived value of the purchase needs to be preserved. At the very least, CCP will not touch -any- other BPO's in people's inventories without coming up with a solid plan to preserve the value of the purchase. As my Addendum to the initial quote : IWS, if you think you're saving the community from itself... I suppose it is my job to save the community (and CCP) from you. ... I was going to say something but realized it wouldn't have been diplomatic at all and it was something not to be said in front of the kids. IWS, You sound like jenza Creep, Radiohead.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10700	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:31:00 - [44] - Quote 4447 wrote: IWS, You sound like jenza /me Shrugs shoulders oh well? I guess I'll have to settle being Nova Knifes and Jenza's alt then. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Mikey Ducati Xer Cloud Consortium 59	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:32:00 - [45] - Quote Bro hugs!!
4447 Resolution XIII 837	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:34:00 - [46] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: 4447 wrote: IWS, You sound like jenza /me Shrugs shoulders oh well? I guess I'll have to settle being Nova Knifes and Jenza's alt then. I'm sorry, i shouldn't said that Creep, Radiohead.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10700	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:36:00 - [47] - Quote 4447 wrote: I'm sorry, i shouldn't said that What cruel punishment have you beset upon me?! CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
David Spd Caldari State 104	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:15:00 - [48] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Saving the community from itself. This in and of itself is joke-worthy. IWS, you are a man of many talents, but basic social and conversational skills are not among them. You started this thread with the intent to 'troll', but like so many others on the forums having no conceptual understanding of what trolling truly is and merely make yourself out to look like an idiot while enraging both those who oppose and support your point. As a council, we're supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard. This is not to say that we're better than anyone else, but we're /expected/ to maintain a certain air of humility and civility. While we are not forbidden to troll or be rude, it is extremely poor taste to do so, especially regarding such a 'hot button' issue when people are legitimately upset about CCP handling an issue in a poor fashion. Especially when considering that many people (even if they are mistaken) value the word of the CPM as if it was something relayed to them by CCP or that a 'troll post' is what the CPM is relaying to CCP on the behalf the of the players. The BPO "Issue" is a very real one, and while some people (xLuca, I'm looking at you) need to seriously tone down their posting and stop making new threads.... IWS you need to kindly shut up and take your poor attitude elsewhere. I fully believe that removing BPO's is the right call. However I believe that CCP handled this very poorly and strongly cautioned them beforehand that a simple refund would provoke an aggressive response because the perceived value of the purchase needs to be preserved. At the very least, CCP will not touch -any- other BPO's in people's inventories without coming up with a solid plan to preserve the value of the purchase. As my Addendum to the initial quote : IWS, if you think you're saving the community from itself... I suppose it is my job to save the community (and CCP) from you. You know if you're supposed to hold yourselves to a higher standard then maybe you shouldn't be pushing your petty judgements and arguments on IWS in public forums where everybody can see it. If IWS says something wrong or crosses a line let him know in private, and if he does something truly stupid the matter will handle itself with other people and/or CCP themselves telling him to stop. If talking to him in private doesn't make him stop then guess what; it's not your problem. I don't believe IWS's demeanor is your problem anyway. I'm not necessarily defending IWS but I do think that constantly ragging on him "in front of the kids" isn't going to win you any supporters either Nova Knife. You're just dragging down both of your reps when you do things like this. --> I'm a closed beta vet; I just don't post often <-- "Other people just complicate my life." ~Solid Snake
Argent Mordred DUST University Ivy League 25	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:25:00 - [49] - Quote David Spd wrote: You know if you're supposed to hold yourselves to a higher standard then maybe you shouldn't be pushing your petty judgements and arguments on IWS in public forums where everybody can see it. If IWS says something wrong or crosses a line let him know in private, and if he does something truly stupid the matter will handle itself with other people and/or CCP themselves telling him to stop. If talking to him in private doesn't make him stop then guess what; it's not your problem. I don't believe IWS's demeanor is your problem anyway. I'm not necessarily defending him but I do think that constantly ragging on him "in front of the kids" isn't going to win you any supporters either Nova Knife. You're just dragging down both of your reps when you do things like this. I continue to search for CPM posts and find things like this coming from you Nova Knife. In all honesty I've forgotten what you DO other than squabble with IWS while he passively dismisses you. Don't you have more productive things to do as CPM other than "correct" IWS all the time and bicker with him? This could have been handled better, but I think maybe the point was to indicate that CPM doesn't unanimously agree on this issue or at least how to handle it. Also, while they are ambassadors for CCP, they don't always speak for CCP.
ReGnYuM UnReaL. 1355	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:38:00 - [50] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days. I think the problem dude is that a Community Manager distinctively said that BPO's already purchased would not be removed. Then a couple weeks later, CCP states that some BPO's purchased will be removed and refunded AUR. You cannot say that kind of **** without expecting a PR $hitstorm. If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Figure 8 of Death

Second Cerberus Tested In Production 54	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:39:00 - [51] - Quote Who said the CPM always need to be in agreement? This community certainly isn't. In hindsight, almost any situation could be handled better, but Nova has the same right to post as anyone. He presented his opinion the same as IWS. Not discussing this topic or any other "in front of the kids" can't hide how dysfunctional the CCP/Community relationship is.
ReGnYuM UnReaL. 1355	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:43:00 - [52] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: All I ask is that Ironwolf kindly shut up and stop attempting diplomacy or trying to 'make people feel better'. You suck at it, and all you do is offend people on both sides and make bad situations worse. Thanks. Ma Hero ! Name the Bar in T. and the first three rounds are on me If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Figure 8 of Death
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 573	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:19:00 - [53] - Quote I dont care about these vehilce BPO's I used AUR to purchase them, and I'm getting the AUr back, its not that big of a deal to me. Hell, you could even refund my favorite Raven suit. Why? because I have the covy suit. But the covy suit is where my line of tolerance lies. If I were to lose that suit, my blood raiders saga, my Exile, my dragonflies, my toxins, and covy sniper. I would become ultra pissed. I spent REAL money on those items, I couldn't care less on any of the other itemsin the packs. To me, those BPOs were solely worth the packs price. I would have bought the Vet pack if it just contained the BPOs, the boosters, and BPC weapons were just sprinkles. If I started to lose those items, I would start spamming Sony for a refund for all 8 of the merc packs that I bought, and that vet pack too. Along with filing hundreds of complaints to sony about CCP abusing their customers. DO NOT TAKE MY PACK BPO'S. *CALDARI MASTER RACE*
David Spd Caldari State 105	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:26:00 - [54] - Quote Argent Mordred wrote: David Spd wrote: You know if you're supposed to hold yourselves to a higher standard then maybe you shouldn't be pushing your petty judgements and arguments on IWS in public forums where everybody can see it. If IWS says something wrong or crosses a line let him know in private, and if he does something truly stupid the matter will handle itself with other people and/or CCP themselves telling him to stop. If talking to him in private doesn't make him stop then guess what; it's not your problem. I don't believe IWS's demeanor is your problem anyway. I'm not necessarily defending him but I do think that constantly ragging on him "in front of the kids" isn't going to win you any supporters either Nova Knife. You're just dragging down both of your reps when you do things like this. I continue to search for CPM posts and find things like this coming from you Nova Knife. In all honesty I've forgotten what you DO other than squabble with IWS while he passively dismisses you. Don't you have more productive things to do as CPM other than "correct" IWS all the time and bicker with him? This could have been handled better, but I think maybe the point was to indicate that CPM doesn't unanimously agree on this issue or at least how to handle it. Also, while they are ambassadors for CCP, they don't always speak for CCP. I know they don't agree. The only thing they all actually agree on is they don't always agree (paradox but true). It's just the arguing and bickering allll the timmmme.... --> I'm a closed beta vet; I just don't post often <-- "Other people just complicate my life." ~Solid Snake
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10714	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:35:00 - [55] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: I think the problem dude is that a Community Manager distinctively said that BPO's already purchased would not be removed. Then a couple weeks later, CCP states that some BPO's purchased will be removed and refunded AUR. You cannot say that kind of **** without expecting a PR $hitstorm. I know the feeling it's probably why there won't be a blue post in the subject. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
ReGnYuM UnReaL. 1356	Posted - 2013.11.25 05:35:00 - [56] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: I think the problem dude is that a Community Manager distinctively said that BPO's already purchased would not be removed. Then a couple weeks later, CCP states that some BPO's purchased will be removed and refunded AUR. You cannot say that kind of **** without expecting a PR $hitstorm. I know the feeling it's probably why there won't be a blue post in the subject. Hey man your good guy, anybody who has met you in RL or talked to you for extended period time, knows you only have the best interest for Dust 514. As for the BPO thingy, I agree they need to be removed. In a player driven economy a free unlimited substance has no place. However, this situation was not handled well, and these kind of threads only add fuel to the fire. If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Figure 8 of Death
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10725	Posted - 2013.11.25 05:48:00 - [57] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: I know the feeling it's probably why there won't be a blue post in the subject. Hey man your good guy, anybody who has met you in RL or talked to you for extended period time, knows you only have the best interest for Dust 514. As for the BPO thingy, I agree they need to be removed. In a player driven economy a free unlimited substance has no place. However, this situation was not handled well, and these kind of threads only add fuel to the fire. [/quote] I am not looking for a fire douser though. Looking for that pristine glass shard in the fire, the one that shines and looks pretty and got one of them in this thread. I don't know why people call it trolling its nearly the exact opposite. Fire is going to burn regardless the writing was on the wall from previous fires. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Tank Missile Intara Direct Action Caldari State 50	Posted - 2013.11.25 05:56:00 - [58] - Quote Like ReG already said, CCP said they wouldn't remove them, then they decided to remove them, that is the problem. "History is written by the victor-" Blah, blah blah, let's go shoot some stuff!
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 387	Posted - 2013.11.25 06:18:00 - [59] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days. Right so you think its fine for someone to pay for a product then for it to just magically disappear?
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 387	Posted - 2013.11.25 06:25:00 - [60] - Quote What i really wonder is why not just keep bpo's in the game as they said they would and if the iteam is pulled out just re-create the bpo to represent the new iteam? Or is the real problem that ccp is just too dammed lazy?

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10725	Posted - 2013.11.25 06:31:00 - [61] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Right so you think its fine for someone to pay for a product then for it to just magically disappear? ... my usb thumb drives do that all the time... besides the point the thing is these items are being returned for the value spent into them at least. I know there are folks who won't be happy with the aurum they have because they're running out of things to spend them on. CCP is not trying to do something sinister here just trying to do what's best for moving the game forward just the simple fact the bpos where bought with something of potential real world value just that ccp has no real easy way to electively take back the blueprints for the refund of purchase. CCP sided on the option hoping that most folks would want the aurum back instead of being let to waste into something they can no longer use. I mean most places don't take back things that stopped working and give you back the full amount unless its a certain time period. I would love it if ccp made it optional but that is going to be a massive CS nightmare they have to burden which will slow down all other reports such as exploit reporting, bug reports, and other customers who are having issues related to not getting the items they bought with real money. But like I said CCP's back in office ready to talk, I had all weekend to get good points on the subject and the few examples I do have to work with I will use. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 388	Posted - 2013.11.25 06:45:00 - [62] - Quote In all fairness there really isn't much in this game that is worth spending money on. Like i have said on other posts. I dont ever buy boosters because i gain SP's while i sleep. Heck i take breaks from this game for weeks at a time because the problems in the game and lack of content is very boring. Right now i am in such a break its been about a week now since i last logged into dust i might even wait till 1.7 comes out. Giving me aurum for my BPO's just won't work I still have several thousand aurum sitting around that i have had for months now because there isnt anything in game i find worthy of buying. Yes most real world stores only accept a return for an item after say 30 days. Most stores also would not be directly responsible for making the item useless.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10725	Posted - 2013.11.25 07:13:00 - [63] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: In all fairness there really isn't much in this game that is worth spending money on. Like i have said on other posts. I dont ever buy boosters because i gain SP's while i sleep. Heck i take breaks from this game for weeks at a time because the problems in the game and lack of content is very boring. Right now i am in such a break its been about a week now since i last logged into dust i might even wait till 1.7 comes out. Giving me aurum for my BPO's just won't work I still have several thousand aurum sitting around that i have had for months now because there isnt anything in game i find worthy of buying. Yes most real world stores only accept a return for an item after say 30 days. Most stores also would not be directly responsible for making the item useless. I would love more things to spend money on as well but development can only work so fast like cosmetics. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Medical Crash Pro Hic Immortalis 156	Posted - 2013.11.25 08:15:00 - [64] - Quote I don't even care anymore, all I ask is that CCP fixes aiming, all I want.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 388	Posted - 2013.11.25 09:26:00 - [65] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Thurak1 wrote: In all fairness there really isn't much in this game that is worth spending money on. Like i have said on other posts. I dont ever buy boosters because i gain SP's while i sleep. Heck i take breaks from this game for weeks at a time because the problems in the game and lack of content is very boring. Right now i am in such a break its been about a week now since i last logged into dust i might even wait till 1.7 comes out. Giving me aurum for my BPO's just won't work I still have several thousand aurum sitting around that i have had for months now because there isnt anything in game i find worthy of buying. Yes most real world stores only accept a return for an item after say 30 days. Most stores also would not be directly responsible for making the item useless. I would love more things to spend money on as well but development can only work so fast like cosmetics. Then i would highly suggest that they re-think just when they remove things. To me it would simply be logical. In all honestly with my so far short relationship with CCP I am not impressed. I feel about as good with CCP as i do about the thief's over at bank of america. In case you don't know them they are a very large bank that has actually managed to foreclose on houses that they never have had a loan on. In this short time i have had dealings with CCP they leave that kind of taste in my mouth. I am not spending one more dime on the game until they become a reputable company in my eyes and are able to keep to their word.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 265	Posted - 2013.11.25 12:32:00 - [66] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Saving the community from itself. This in and of itself is joke-worthy. IWS, you are a man of many talents, but basic social and conversational skills are not among them. You started this thread with the intent to 'troll', but like so many others on the forums having no conceptual understanding of what trolling truly is and merely make yourself out to look like an idiot while enraging both those who oppose and support your point. As a council, we're supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard. This is not to say that we're better than anyone else, but we're /expected/ to maintain a certain air of humility and civility. While we are not forbidden to troll or be rude, it is extremely poor taste to do so, especially regarding such a 'hot button' issue when people are legitimately upset about CCP handling an issue in a poor fashion. Especially when considering that many people (even if they are mistaken) value the word of the CPM as if it was something relayed to them by CCP or that a 'troll post' is what the CPM is relaying to CCP on the behalf the of the players. The BPO "Issue" is a very real one, and while some people (xLuca, I'm looking at you) need to seriously tone down their posting and stop making new threads.... IWS you need to kindly shut up and take your poor attitude elsewhere. I fully believe that removing BPO's is the right call. However I believe that CCP handled this very poorly and strongly cautioned them beforehand that a simple refund would provoke an aggressive response because the perceived value of the purchase needs to be preserved. At the very least, CCP will not touch -any- other BPO's in people's inventories without coming up with a solid plan to preserve the value of the purchase. As my Addendum to the initial quote : IWS, if you think you're saving the community from itself... I suppose it is my job to save the community (and CCP) from you. Very well written that alone grant a +1. The point is people are getting a bit nervous around here. The reason is simple CCP has a real bad way of solving problems they created at first. The whole BPO issue is a huge mess. And your are right CCP has solved the issue not very clever till now. But CCP created the mess and they clearly stated they won't remove BPO's from our inventory just to announce shortly later they will do the exact opposite. This is a horrible way of dealing with a community and CCP is destroying the trust they once had. I for myself can acceppt CCP's solution but the whole thing leaves a bad taste.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz 230	Posted - 2013.11.25 13:01:00 - [67] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Seems strange to me. CCP is taking away modules, even giving you aur for them, which is what you used to buy them in the first place. Most of these things were useless, trash items. So you drive around in a milita tank bpo, which is kinda bullshit anyways, but you pop in seconds to swarms, so cool. But for items that really held no huge advantage in battle, the hate seems a bit much. They imbalance the game. Tanking is one of the most expensive roles. Yet if I had me a bpo tank, I could drive them all day without a care for losing them. And I could rack up some wp off turrets and be making bank. So while actually somewhat useless, they can be used to rack up quick WP, not to mention games lacking in AV. Everyone loves the idea, nothing is free, until they start taking your free stuff away. BPO's were a bad decision on CCP's part and I can't help but feel these people crying bloody murder, have a point. They would expect you to give them new BPOs for the new modules to use. Which seems fair. Yet still, I see these sort of things bad overall for a universe that is all about Nothing being free. And I think a lot of this may be due to the state of dust, a lot of people are unhappy. Now you are taking their BPOs from them. Now they are super unhappy customers, who feel cheated. They don't want aur, nothing on the market compares to those bpos. It's your customers getting the short end of the stick. Overall it is necessary, but I don't know if aur really cuts it. Maybe some unique suits or something eh. Or add some customization options for buy on the market. Aur is no doubt useless to the people who own these bpos. This post was missed but it's a good observation. Both sides of the fence are tired. The natives are restless. With that comes conflict and confusion. I really would like to add to your opinion but I don't really feel like typing novels. Thats what my girlfriend calls them, novels lol. I think this speaks for many people. But there is ALWAYS one out there, that just won't settle. Nuff Said
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 313	Posted - 2013.11.25 13:33:00 - [68] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Saving the community from itself. This in and of itself is joke-worthy. IWS, you are a man of many talents, but basic social and conversational skills are not among them. You started this thread with the intent to 'troll', but like so many others on the forums having no conceptual understanding of what trolling truly is and merely make yourself out to look like an idiot while enraging both those who oppose and support your point. As a council, we're supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard. This is not to say that we're better than anyone else, but we're /expected/ to maintain a certain air of humility and civility. While we are not forbidden to troll or be rude, it is extremely poor taste to do so, especially regarding such a 'hot button' issue when people are legitimately upset about CCP handling an issue in a poor fashion. Especially when considering that many people (even if they are mistaken) value the word of the CPM as if it was something relayed to them by CCP or that a 'troll post' is what the CPM is relaying to CCP on the behalf the of the players. The BPO "Issue" is a very real one, and while some people (xLuca, I'm looking at you) need to seriously tone down their posting and stop making new threads.... IWS you need to kindly shut up and take your poor attitude elsewhere. I fully believe that removing BPO's is the right call. However I believe that CCP handled this very poorly and strongly cautioned them beforehand that a simple refund would provoke an aggressive response because the perceived value of the purchase needs to be preserved. At the very least, CCP will not touch -any- other BPO's in people's inventories without coming up with a solid plan to preserve the value of the purchase. As my Addendum to the initial quote : IWS, if you think you're saving the community from itself... I suppose it is my job to save the community (and CCP) from you. Nova knife, I've always disliked you. Weren't you the one who was saying this game sucks and is awful and will never be good and its wasted your time....how did you get on the CPM again? Look I know you want to defend these other self entitled fools but they really need to stop with this. Maybe you could clear up all the misinformation they are continuously spewing out, they seem to hold you in high regard oh master of non important issues, save them from them selves!
Vesago Ghostcore Rejected Clones 91	Posted - 2013.11.25 13:44:00 - [69] - Quote I bought BPO's for mods and everything else the first few weeks into playing Dust because I saw their value. I generally run fairly expensive suits, but when ISK starts getting low, I have a "Templar" Assault A-1 with a Toxin Assault Rifle and the whole fit costs me 310 ISK because I don't have the militia armor plate BPO. It kills slower, but it has 620 total HP. In Ambushes the single uplink (Templar) gets me plenty of WP, and if i'm careful I usually can stay positive on KDR. Is it game breaking? No. Here is why. I can build the exact same fit with standard/Militia mods for about 5k ISK. Even if I lost 15 suits in a battle i would still make a large profit. Over time, these items will fade away just from people leaving the game. I personally want mine for many reasons, mostly however because they will have rarity. In the future, hey will have huge value. And Lastly, I spent a Billion Eve ISK for my second set of Templar Codes... Because I love having rare things! Want to fix the huge bankrolls in Dust. Offer boosters for ISK, and watch the huge balances run down. Sell a Aurum requirement Items at 10x the normal ISK cost... in ISK. Here's one people wont like... make orbitals cost ISK. Really, we pay a premium for everything else, but the biggest DPS in the game is free. Have fun ripping me up, but know this. Taking away anything I was willing to spend real money on is a bad move. Paying customers are what you want, and we with the BPO's are paying Customers. If people are b*tching about BPO's and the advantage they provide, I wonder if they have supported CCP with real Cash. I bet not.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 749	Posted - 2013.11.25 14:14:00 - [70] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days. You are right. Forget these threats of frivolous lawsuits. I prefer to save my money and my whining until the day I can buy CCP and put them out of business altogether. That day may never come, but rest assured that if it does I will take full advantage of it. Of course, the whining won't be on my end. Btw. I see the CPM is doing its job to taunt the player base now and protect the company at all costs. "It's made with bits of real Gallente. So you know it's good." -GÇö Brian Fantana paraphrased

WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 15	Posted - 2013.11.25 14:30:00 - [71] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: most of us who want to see this game in a far better place where we'd be more willing to throw money at the game then Free To Play ... lol http://dust514.com/game/free-to-play/ what a joke... but the jokes on u ccp .. hold on to eve... that's all you'll have soon enough *WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER ... THE GOD HEAVY*
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 454	Posted - 2013.11.25 14:41:00 - [72] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: All I ask is that Ironwolf kindly shut up and stop attempting diplomacy or trying to 'make people feel better'. You suck at it, and all you do is offend people on both sides and make bad situations worse. Thanks. PREACH BROTHER I know who is and ISNT getting my vote next year! (hopefully us DUST mercs might even get the chance to vote!!)
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1358	Posted - 2013.11.25 15:03:00 - [73] - Quote Funny how 4 militia vehicle bpos (probably the equivalent of 5$) causes such a commotion. Who uses those things anyways, seriously? "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10764	Posted - 2013.11.25 21:23:00 - [74] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: Nova Knife wrote: All I ask is that Ironwolf kindly shut up and stop attempting diplomacy or trying to 'make people feel better'. You suck at it, and all you do is offend people on both sides and make bad situations worse. Thanks. PREACH BROTHER I know who is and ISNT getting my vote next year! (hopefully us DUST mercs might even get the chance to vote!!) If Nova Knife had his way you wouldn't be able to vote for any of us. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Audrey2 Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.11.25 23:49:00 - [75] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Guinevere Bravo wrote: Nova Knife wrote: All I ask is that Ironwolf kindly shut up and stop attempting diplomacy or trying to 'make people feel better'. You suck at it, and all you do is offend people on both sides and make bad situations worse. Thanks. PREACH BROTHER I know who is and ISNT getting my vote next year! (hopefully us DUST mercs might even get the chance to vote!!) If Nova Knife had his way you wouldn't be able to vote for any of us. but you would probably not be a CPM either.... I could live under a nova knife regime... this thread makes you out to be a pretty pompous jerk. when we can vote I assure you, you wont have mine. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3026	Posted - 2013.11.25 23:52:00 - [76] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: 4447 wrote: I find it funny your a CPM, but defend CCP. Saving the community from itself. This community is pretty damn stupid imo. Of course, what gaming community isn't?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10770	Posted - 2013.11.25 23:56:00 - [77] - Quote Audrey2 wrote: but you would probably not be a CPM either.... I could live under a nova knife regime... this thread makes you out to be a pretty pompous jerk. when we can vote I assure you, you wont have mine. Key word Any. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1681	Posted - 2013.11.26 00:14:00 - [78] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: If it's just vehicle militia BPOs being removed, thats cool, but if it's dropsuit BPOs thats a problem... Militia Vehicle Modules that are being removed. And, hear this, the modules they represent don't even exist anymore! Sure, let 'em have it. Like it'll be worth anything... Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore
Second Cerberus Tested In Production 56	Posted - 2013.11.26 00:29:00 - [79] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: hackerzilla wrote: If it's just vehicle militia BPOs being removed, thats cool, but if it's dropsuit BPOs thats a problem... Militia Vehicle Modules that are being removed. And, hear this, the modules they represent don't even exist anymore! Sure, let 'em have it. Like it'll be worth anything... Actually, assuming this game is around in 5 years it probably would be worth something to collectors. Have you missed the threads of people payings 300 million for STD Templar BPO's? The damn promotional droplink is selling for 50 million.
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1059	Posted - 2013.11.26 00:50:00 - [80] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: I don't even care anymore, all I ask is that CCP fixes aiming, all I want. LOL BARELY I STOPPED CARING ONCE I GOT A FREE COPY OF BF4 AND GTA V :-P My PS3 is dusty ._. Level 1 Forum Warrior

Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 71	Posted - 2013.11.26 01:21:00 - [81] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days. At this point I would like to personally thank you for being a CPM and representing the paying player base......after all isn't that your job? Oh but you weren't elected to your position by the mob or a vote by the paying customer player base..... One more thing. Thanks for doing a great job as CPM and letting us know that they would be getting rid of BPO"S before we bought them.....Stellar performance, and keep up the good work. You my friend get "The Golden Tard Star" Closed Beta Tester since Crater Lake My motto regarding haters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8gAb3uc6fk
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10780	Posted - 2013.11.26 01:38:00 - [82] - Quote Evicer wrote: At this point I would like to personally thank you for being a CPM and representing the paying player base......after all isn't that your job? Oh but you weren't elected to your position by the mob or a vote by the paying customer player base..... One more thing. Thanks for doing a great job as CPM and letting us know that they would be getting rid of BPO"S before we bought them.....Stellar performance, and keep up the good work. You my friend get "The Golden Tard Star" Give me a crystal ball that works dammit. Mines been broken for a while. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 143	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:05:00 - [83] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.' By their logic: SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7. You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill. They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration. Hell by their logic; Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for. Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days. Slow clap... Congratulations on entirely misrepresenting the point, you'll do well. Just for the cheap seats, let me define the actual problem. Here's what it's not: 1. It's not that 4 limited value soon to be obsolete BPO's are being removed 2. It's not that everyone complaining is an entitled cry-baby who can't read a contract Here's what it is: 3. It is that CCP advertised to the player base that they should spend money to get AUR, to purchase BPO before they went off the market 4. It is that CCP made a representation that BPO's in inventory would be safe 5. It is that it is now evident that BPO's in inventory are not safe 6. It is that customers purchased AUR based on the above representation by CCP, and feel they have been misled by points 3, 4, and 5 7. It is that AUR refund that would only allow customers to purchase limited use items, as there is no longer the option of purchasing BPOs within the Dust ecosystem 8. It is that a number of customers are seeking a refund outside of the offered AUR, as the Dust ecosystem holds less value to them with the removal of BPOs Let me know if I need to dumb it down for you a bit more, and maybe think twice before you post hyperbole when representing of someone else's viewpoint. IWS you neglected to address this post, I imagine because it was too precise and laid out too clearly to refute. I have no stake in this directly, I did not buy vehicle bpos, and I have nothing to gain from this argument regardless of outcome. This is unethical business practice, and you know what, if these items no longer exist, but there are similar specific modules of militia or standard level, make new BPOs, plural if it would be a necessary to provide equivalency. It would cost CCP an absolutely trivial amount of time to do this and no money, and it would satisfy the playerbase without getting cash/pan credit involved. You all know its the right thing to do, the only fair equivalence is just that, equivalence.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 72	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:20:00 - [84] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Evicer wrote: At this point I would like to personally thank you for being a CPM and representing the paying player base......after all isn't that your job? Oh but you weren't elected to your position by the mob or a vote by the paying customer player base..... One more thing. Thanks for doing a great job as CPM and letting us know that they would be getting rid of BPO"S before we bought them.....Stellar performance, and keep up the good work. You my friend get "The Golden Tard Star" Give me a crystal ball that works dammit. Mines been broken for a while. Your comment is a poor attempt to fain ignorance....The truth is you are "in the Know" and if you are not then why are you a CPM? You're in IRC everyday(more in there than on the game)You talk to CCP employees in a 1 on 1 basis. Again if you are not doing these things then why are you a CPM? Btw wtg go on"flaming" the player base and maintaining forum rules Closed Beta Tester since Crater Lake My motto regarding haters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8gAb3uc6fk
Audrey2 Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:25:00 - [85] - Quote Evicer wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Evicer wrote: At this point I would like to personally thank you for being a CPM and representing the paying player base......after all isn't that your job? Oh but you weren't elected to your position by the mob or a vote by the paying customer player base..... One more thing. Thanks for doing a great job as CPM and letting us know that they would be getting rid of BPO"S before we bought them.....Stellar performance, and keep up the good work. You my friend get "The Golden Tard Star" Give me a crystal ball that works dammit. Mines been broken for a while. Your comment is a poor attempt to fain ignorance....The truth is you are "in the Know" and if you are not then why are you a CPM? You're in IRC everyday(more in there than on the game)You talk to CCP employees in a 1 on 1 basis. Again if you are not doing these things then why are you a CPM? Btw wtg go on"flaming" the player base and maintaining forum rules I've already had my main and an alt banned for doing much less... but ccp wouldn't put down their most loyal dog... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!


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