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Diplomacy is a tool to make people feel good.

I had no such intentions.

get a room.

He's far too handsome for the likes of me, I'm sorry it cannot be done.

All I ask is that Ironwolf kindly shut up and stop attempting diplomacy or trying to 'make people feel better'.

You suck at it, and all you do is offend people on both sides and make bad situations worse.

Thanks.

I think IWS does a pretty good job of things. Why all the hate?

Saving the community from itself.

BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.'

By their logic:

SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7.

You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill.

They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration.

Hell by their logic;

Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for.

Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days.

Seems strange to me.

CCP is taking away modules, even giving you aur for them, which is what you used to buy them in the first place.

Most of these things were useless, trash items. So you drive around in a milita tank bpo, which is kinda bullshit anyways, but you pop in seconds to swarms, so cool. But for items that really held no huge advantage in battle, the hate seems a bit much.

They imbalance the game. Tanking is one of the most expensive roles. Yet if I had me a bpo tank, I could drive them all day without a care for losing them. And I could rack up some wp off turrets and be making bank. So while actually somewhat useless, they can be used to rack up quick WP, not to mention games lacking in AV.

Everyone loves the idea, nothing is free, until they start taking your free stuff away.
BPO's were a bad decision on CCP's part and I can't help but feel these people crying bloody murder, have a point. They would expect you to give them new BPOs for the new modules to use. Which seems fair. Yet still, I see these sort of things bad overall for a universe that is all about Nothing being free.

And I think a lot of this may be due to the state of dust, a lot of people are unhappy. Now you are taking their BPOs from them.
Now they are super unhappy customers, who feel cheated. They don't want aur, nothing on the market compares to those bpos. It's your customers getting the short end of the stick.

Overall it is necessary, but I don't know if aur really cuts it. Maybe some unique suits or something eh. Or add some customization options for buy on the market. Aur is no doubt useless to the people who own these bpos.

This in and of itself is joke-worthy.

IWS, you are a man of many talents, but basic social and conversational skills are not among them. You started this thread with the intent to 'troll', but like so many others on the forums having no conceptual understanding of what trolling truly is and merely make yourself out to look like an idiot while enraging both those who oppose and support your point.

As a council, we're supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard. This is not to say that we're better than anyone else, but we're /expected/ to maintain a certain air of humility and civility. While we are not forbidden to troll or be rude, it is extremely poor taste to do so, especially regarding such a 'hot button' issue when people are legitimately upset about CCP handling an issue in a poor fashion. Especially when considering that many people (even if they are mistaken) value the word of the CPM as if it was something relayed to them by CCP or that a 'troll post' is what the CPM is relaying to CCP on the behalf the of the players.

The BPO "Issue" is a very real one, and while some people (xLuca, I'm looking at you) need to seriously tone down their posting and stop making new threads.... IWS you need to kindly shut up and take your poor attitude elsewhere. I fully believe that removing BPO's is the right call. However I believe that CCP handled this very poorly and strongly cautioned them beforehand that a simple refund would provoke an aggressive response because the perceived value of the purchase needs to be preserved.

At the very least, CCP will not touch -any- other BPO's in people's inventories without coming up with a solid plan to preserve the value of the purchase.


As my Addendum to the initial quote : IWS, if you think you're saving the community from itself... I suppose it is my job to save the community (and CCP) from you.

This in and of itself is joke-worthy.

IWS, you are a man of many talents, but basic social and conversational skills are not among them. You started this thread with the intent to 'troll', but like so many others on the forums having no conceptual understanding of what trolling truly is and merely make yourself out to look like an idiot while enraging both those who oppose and support your point.

As a council, we're supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard. This is not to say that we're better than anyone else, but we're /expected/ to maintain a certain air of humility and civility. While we are not forbidden to troll or be rude, it is extremely poor taste to do so, especially regarding such a 'hot button' issue when people are legitimately upset about CCP handling an issue in a poor fashion. Especially when considering that many people (even if they are mistaken) value the word of the CPM as if it was something relayed to them by CCP or that a 'troll post' is what the CPM is relaying to CCP on the behalf the of the players.

The BPO "Issue" is a very real one, and while some people (xLuca, I'm looking at you) need to seriously tone down their posting and stop making new threads.... IWS you need to kindly shut up and take your poor attitude elsewhere. I fully believe that removing BPO's is the right call. However I believe that CCP handled this very poorly and strongly cautioned them beforehand that a simple refund would provoke an aggressive response because the perceived value of the purchase needs to be preserved.

At the very least, CCP will not touch -any- other BPO's in people's inventories without coming up with a solid plan to preserve the value of the purchase.


As my Addendum to the initial quote : IWS, if you think you're saving the community from itself... I suppose it is my job to save the community (and CCP) from you.

Seems strange to me.

CCP is taking away modules, even giving you aur for them, which is what you used to buy them in the first place.

Most of these things were useless, trash items. So you drive around in a milita tank bpo, which is kinda bullshit anyways, but you pop in seconds to swarms, so cool. But for items that really held no huge advantage in battle, the hate seems a bit much.

They imbalance the game. Tanking is one of the most expensive roles. Yet if I had me a bpo tank, I could drive them all day without a care for losing them. And I could rack up some wp off turrets and be making bank. So while actually somewhat useless, they can be used to rack up quick WP, not to mention games lacking in AV.

Everyone loves the idea, nothing is free, until they start taking your free stuff away.
BPO's were a bad decision on CCP's part and I can't help but feel these people crying bloody murder, have a point. They would expect you to give them new BPOs for the new modules to use. Which seems fair. Yet still, I see these sort of things bad overall for a universe that is all about Nothing being free.

And I think a lot of this may be due to the state of dust, a lot of people are unhappy. Now you are taking their BPOs from them.
Now they are super unhappy customers, who feel cheated. They don't want aur, nothing on the market compares to those bpos. It's your customers getting the short end of the stick.

Overall it is necessary, but I don't know if aur really cuts it. Maybe some unique suits or something eh. Or add some customization options for buy on the market. Aur is no doubt useless to the people who own these bpos.

... I was going to say something but realized it wouldn't have been diplomatic at all and it was something not to be said in front of the kids.

IWS, You sound like jenza

/me Shrugs shoulders

oh well? I guess I'll have to settle being Nova Knifes and Jenza's alt then.

I'm sorry, i shouldn't said that

This in and of itself is joke-worthy.

IWS, you are a man of many talents, but basic social and conversational skills are not among them. You started this thread with the intent to 'troll', but like so many others on the forums having no conceptual understanding of what trolling truly is and merely make yourself out to look like an idiot while enraging both those who oppose and support your point.

As a council, we're supposed to hold ourselves to a higher standard. This is not to say that we're better than anyone else, but we're /expected/ to maintain a certain air of humility and civility. While we are not forbidden to troll or be rude, it is extremely poor taste to do so, especially regarding such a 'hot button' issue when people are legitimately upset about CCP handling an issue in a poor fashion. Especially when considering that many people (even if they are mistaken) value the word of the CPM as if it was something relayed to them by CCP or that a 'troll post' is what the CPM is relaying to CCP on the behalf the of the players.

The BPO "Issue" is a very real one, and while some people (xLuca, I'm looking at you) need to seriously tone down their posting and stop making new threads.... IWS you need to kindly shut up and take your poor attitude elsewhere. I fully believe that removing BPO's is the right call. However I believe that CCP handled this very poorly and strongly cautioned them beforehand that a simple refund would provoke an aggressive response because the perceived value of the purchase needs to be preserved.

At the very least, CCP will not touch -any- other BPO's in people's inventories without coming up with a solid plan to preserve the value of the purchase.


As my Addendum to the initial quote : IWS, if you think you're saving the community from itself... I suppose it is my job to save the community (and CCP) from you.

You know if you're supposed to hold yourselves to a higher standard then maybe you shouldn't be pushing your petty judgements and arguments on IWS in public forums where everybody can see it.

If IWS says something wrong or crosses a line let him know in private, and if he does something truly stupid the matter will handle itself with other people and/or CCP themselves telling him to stop. If talking to him in private doesn't make him stop then guess what; it's not your problem. I don't believe IWS's demeanor is your problem anyway.

I'm not necessarily defending him but I do think that constantly ragging on him "in front of the kids" isn't going to win you any supporters either Nova Knife. You're just dragging down both of your reps when you do things like this.

I continue to search for CPM posts and find things like this coming from you Nova Knife. In all honesty I've forgotten what you DO other than squabble with IWS while he passively dismisses you. Don't you have more productive things to do as CPM other than "correct" IWS all the time and bicker with him?

BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.'

By their logic:

SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7.

You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill.

They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration.

Hell by their logic;

Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for.

Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days.

All I ask is that Ironwolf kindly shut up and stop attempting diplomacy or trying to 'make people feel better'.

You suck at it, and all you do is offend people on both sides and make bad situations worse.

Thanks.

This could have been handled better, but I think maybe the point was to indicate that CPM doesn't unanimously agree on this issue or at least how to handle it. Also, while they are ambassadors for CCP, they don't always speak for CCP.

I think the problem dude is that a Community Manager distinctively said that BPO's already purchased would not be removed.

Then a couple weeks later, CCP states that some BPO's purchased will be removed and refunded AUR.

You cannot say that kind of **** without expecting a PR $hitstorm.

I know the feeling it's probably why there won't be a blue post in the subject.

I know the feeling it's probably why there won't be a blue post in the subject.

BPO whiners are extremely obsessively selective of 'violated terms.'

By their logic:

SP Refunds are against Consumer laws as well especially if any of them have been boosted and spent into vehicles or previously before infantry. These are skill point you work just to spend into specific vehicle skills are no longer going to the game as of 1.7.

You should be demanding your real money you paid into boosters for to buy those 'powerups' then compensation for time spent acquiring the sp to buy that skill.

They should also be trying to sue over downtime every day if they have a passive or active booster that runs through that duration.

Hell by their logic;

Software Updates are against Consumer laws as well, because its not what they paid for.

Which would just make about every console game in existence illegal to own because nearly all of them do the quick first time startup download after you put the disk in these days.