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xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 67	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:03:00 - [1] - Quote that removing these bpo's opens the door for them to remove all bpo's who will care when its their bpo LAV? Sevr suit? exile ar? when will this action be too much for you to continue your support of a company that is careless with your money? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1758	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:09:00 - [2] - Quote All they need to do is turn BPOs into a BPC maker. Each day you get "x" number of BPCs from BPO "y". You can boost the productivity of your BPOs by using "resources" or AUR Eg. I have a raven assault c-1 BPO. I would get (for example) 25 BPCs per day from the BPO. So in a week I'll get 175 (25x7=175) BPCs of my raven suit. I can keep however many suits I want and then sell the rest on the p2p market for whatever price I see fit. NOTE: these numbers are just examples of how my idea would work. Feel free to change the #s or ways to "boost" production. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1037	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:15:00 - [3] - Quote Put it this way, they have chosen to take out these BPO units for a reason, if they choose to do the same, but consider the reason why? Player Market maybe? The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 885	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:18:00 - [4] - Quote They would refund my Aurum spent. 19,800 Aurum refund for a suit I don't even use anymore? Yes Please. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
Avallo Kantor Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:19:00 - [5] - Quote This right here is what is called the "Slipper Slope" fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope The slippery slope basically posits that by taking one small steps, increasingly large and drastic steps are then going to come of it until one arrives at an extreme conclusion. The reason these 4 module BPOs were removed were because the modules themselves are being removed, as part of the larger vehicle rebalancing. If these BPOs stayed in your inventory, they would become useless, and serve no purpose other than being able to see it in your inventory. Instead they opted to remove the BPOs as well as the base items, and issue a refund. Items like the Sevr suit, and Exile ar are unlikely to be removed for much the same reason these BPOs were removed. They were removed because the relevant item NO LONGER EXISTS. For the Sevr and Exile BPOs to be removed in similar fashion would require that their respective suit and weapon be removed from the game in some future re-balancing. This, while in CCP's ability to do so, is highly unlikely to occur, and making wild accusations on such notions are unstable at best. These changes to vehicles were posted over a month ago, and have been on the front page of this forum for that amount of time. It should have been readily obvious that any BPOs for any items that were getting removed were also going to be removed or modified in some manner.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 118	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:31:00 - [6] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Put it this way, they have chosen to take out these BPO units for a reason, if they choose to do the same, but consider the reason why? Player Market maybe? Smart . Using your brains . Can't people understand this type of reasoning ???? That would be a unmatched cash flow all at their expense and it would CRUSH the market and devalue everything causing inflation . It would kill the infancy stages for something that they had planned to introduce as a means of supply and demand that would not only have been a benefit to CCP but to ALL OF YOU as well . I still want the market and with the BPO'S it would have made that hard to do because all of this uproar would have just transferred to , " Why can't I sell my BPO's for profit ...????.... I OWN THEM !!!! " I can hear it now and so could they . I'm sure if that wasn't the main reason , it dam well was one of them . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:31:00 - [7] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: This right here is what is called the "Slipper Slope" fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope The slippery slope basically posits that by taking one small steps, increasingly large and drastic steps are then going to come of it until one arrives at an extreme conclusion. The reason these 4 module BPOs were removed were because the modules themselves are being removed, as part of the larger vehicle rebalancing. If these BPOs stayed in your inventory, they would become useless, and serve no purpose other than being able to see it in your inventory. Instead they opted to remove the BPOs as well as the base items, and issue a refund. Items like the Sevr suit, and Exile ar are unlikely to be removed for much the same reason these BPOs were removed. They were removed because the relevant item NO LONGER EXISTS. For the Sevr and Exile BPOs to be removed in similar fashion would require that their respective suit and weapon be removed from the game in some future re-balancing. This, while in CCP's ability to do so, is highly unlikely to occur, and making wild accusations on such notions are unstable at best. These changes to vehicles were posted over a month ago, and have been on the front page of this forum for that amount of time. It should have been readily obvious that any BPOs for any items that were getting removed were also going to be removed or modified in some manner. what if they remove tiered suits? bye bye bpos what if they remove militia gear? bye bye bpos what if they remove LAV's? bye bye bpo's SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Jane Madson DIRTY LAUNDRY 514 147	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:33:00 - [8] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: This right here is what is called the "Slipper Slope" fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope The slippery slope basically posits that by taking one small steps, increasingly large and drastic steps are then going to come of it until one arrives at an extreme conclusion. The reason these 4 module BPOs were removed were because the modules themselves are being removed, as part of the larger vehicle rebalancing. If these BPOs stayed in your inventory, they would become useless, and serve no purpose other than being able to see it in your inventory. Instead they opted to remove the BPOs as well as the base items, and issue a refund. Items like the Sevr suit, and Exile ar are unlikely to be removed for much the same reason these BPOs were removed. They were removed because the relevant item NO LONGER EXISTS. For the Sevr and Exile BPOs to be removed in similar fashion would require that their respective suit and weapon be removed from the game in some future re-balancing. This, while in CCP's ability to do so, is highly unlikely to occur, and making wild accusations on such notions are unstable at best. These changes to vehicles were posted over a month ago, and have been on the front page of this forum for that amount of time. It should have been readily obvious that any BPOs for any items that were getting removed were also going to be removed or modified in some manner. Perfect explanation. Everyone complaining about the removal and refind of a worthless bpo should copy this post and read it daily till you can understand thay you are not losing a usefull item from your inventory. +1 on this post closed beta vet, lifetime fatty
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2272	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:34:00 - [9] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: This right here is what is called the "Slipper Slope" fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope The slippery slope basically posits that by taking one small steps, increasingly large and drastic steps are then going to come of it until one arrives at an extreme conclusion. The reason these 4 module BPOs were removed were because the modules themselves are being removed, as part of the larger vehicle rebalancing. If these BPOs stayed in your inventory, they would become useless, and serve no purpose other than being able to see it in your inventory. Instead they opted to remove the BPOs as well as the base items, and issue a refund. Items like the Sevr suit, and Exile ar are unlikely to be removed for much the same reason these BPOs were removed. They were removed because the relevant item NO LONGER EXISTS. For the Sevr and Exile BPOs to be removed in similar fashion would require that their respective suit and weapon be removed from the game in some future re-balancing. This, while in CCP's ability to do so, is highly unlikely to occur, and making wild accusations on such notions are unstable at best. These changes to vehicles were posted over a month ago, and have been on the front page of this forum for that amount of time. It should have been readily obvious that any BPOs for any items that were getting removed were also going to be removed or modified in some manner. The slippery slope fallacy starts with a relatively small issue, and balloons it into something preposterous. That is not the case here. We have started with the forcible removal of some BPOs, and it has been suggested that this means CCP is not averse to doing the same again in the future. There is no slope being traversed here. What you are using is called the fallacy fallacy; where you dismiss an argument on the basis of it using a fallacy, without addressing any of the details of the argument itself. No.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 830	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:35:00 - [10] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: that removing these bpo's opens the door for them to remove all bpo's who will care when its their bpo LAV? Sevr suit? exile ar? when will this action be too much for you to continue your support of a company that is careless with your money? actually in regards to taking away the exile dragonfly and any bpo purchased in a pack and not bought with aur would be illegal. the only reason they can legally remove the bpo's that they are is because they are in market bpo's bought with aur ..so the purchase of the aur is the transaction that has a binding contract on it..not the in market purchase of bpo's with aur however in the case of the exile lav bpo's and allot of other bpo's they were bought in packs off the psn...real money was exchanged for those specific items..do you understand the difference between the vehicle bpo's and the pack bpos explained thusly?

Thor McStrut Reckoners 434	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:36:00 - [11] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: that removing these bpo's opens the door for them to remove all bpo's who will care when its their bpo LAV? Sevr suit? exile ar? when will this action be too much for you to continue your support of a company that is careless with your money? The only BPOs worth crying over are the Templars. Those cost serious cash to obtain (except for those who traded isk). Maybe the Dren stuff too. $100 is $100. Everything else is hardly worth the effort to QQ about. Save your energy, there are bigger worries then CCP ripping you off.
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:37:00 - [12] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: that removing these bpo's opens the door for them to remove all bpo's who will care when its their bpo LAV? Sevr suit? exile ar? when will this action be too much for you to continue your support of a company that is careless with your money? actually in regards to taking away the exile dragonfly and any bpo purchased in a pack and not bought with aur would be illegal. the only reason they can legally remove the bpo's that they are is because they are in market bpo's bought with aur ..so the purchase of the aur is the transaction that has a binding contract on it..not the in market purchase of bpo's with aur however in the case of the exile lav bpo's and allot of other bpo's they were bought in packs off the psn...real money was exchanged for those specific items..do you understand the difference between the vehicle bpo's and the pack bpos explained thusly? in my interpretation its all real money.... the aur I bought when there were bpo's on the market is worth more than the aur they will give me now because there are no longer as attractive items for purchase. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 830	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:38:00 - [13] - Quote pretty much with the bpo's that they are removing players bough aur then they spent the aur in game for bpo's..thus the aur cannot be taken away from them..the bpo's can... however with packs there was no mid way currency change if you bought a merc pack or elite pack those bpo's are legally untouchable by ccp they could not take away the vet pack bpo saga without replacing it with a bpo lav because of this
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:38:00 - [14] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: that removing these bpo's opens the door for them to remove all bpo's who will care when its their bpo LAV? Sevr suit? exile ar? when will this action be too much for you to continue your support of a company that is careless with your money? The only BPOs worth crying over are the Templars. Those cost serious cash to obtain (except for those who traded isk). Maybe the Dren stuff too. $100 is $100. Everything else is hardly worth the effort to QQ about. Save your energy, there are bigger worries then CCP ripping you off. lol like what. idk about you, but being ripped off trumps any content patch or bug fix to me... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 73	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:40:00 - [15] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: pretty much with the bpo's that they are removing players bough aur then they spent the aur in game for bpo's..thus the aur cannot be taken away from them..the bpo's can... however with packs there was no mid way currency change if you bought a merc pack or elite pack those bpo's are legally untouchable by ccp they could not take away the vet pack bpo saga without replacing it with a bpo lav because of this but what if they removed LAV'S? then it would be worthless right? you would have a bpo you cant use... do you see the folly in that argument yet? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Thor McStrut Reckoners 434	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:40:00 - [16] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: that removing these bpo's opens the door for them to remove all bpo's who will care when its their bpo LAV? Sevr suit? exile ar? when will this action be too much for you to continue your support of a company that is careless with your money? actually in regards to taking away the exile dragonfly and any bpo purchased in a pack and not bought with aur would be illegal. the only reason they can legally remove the bpo's that they are is because they are in market bpo's bought with aur ..so the purchase of the aur is the transaction that has a binding contract on it..not the in market purchase of bpo's with aur however in the case of the exile lav bpo's and allot of other bpo's they were bought in packs off the psn...real money was exchanged for those specific items..do you understand the difference between the vehicle bpo's and the pack bpos explained thusly? in my interpretation its all real money.... the aur I bought when there were bpo's on the market is worth more than the aur they will give me now because there are no longer as attractive items for purchase. The problem then is in your interpretation. It doesn't matter what you think. You can QQ all you want. All that matters is what is legal. You can strike, lead a moral crusade, whatever. Have fun!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 118	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:41:00 - [17] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: This right here is what is called the "Slipper Slope" fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope The slippery slope basically posits that by taking one small steps, increasingly large and drastic steps are then going to come of it until one arrives at an extreme conclusion. The reason these 4 module BPOs were removed were because the modules themselves are being removed, as part of the larger vehicle rebalancing. If these BPOs stayed in your inventory, they would become useless, and serve no purpose other than being able to see it in your inventory. Instead they opted to remove the BPOs as well as the base items, and issue a refund. Items like the Sevr suit, and Exile ar are unlikely to be removed for much the same reason these BPOs were removed. They were removed because the relevant item NO LONGER EXISTS. For the Sevr and Exile BPOs to be removed in similar fashion would require that their respective suit and weapon be removed from the game in some future re-balancing. This, while in CCP's ability to do so, is highly unlikely to occur, and making wild accusations on such notions are unstable at best. These changes to vehicles were posted over a month ago, and have been on the front page of this forum for that amount of time. It should have been readily obvious that any BPOs for any items that were getting removed were also going to be removed or modified in some manner. More reasoning . Stop being so angry people and listen to the voices of reason . DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE ALREADY !!!!! " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 832	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:42:00 - [18] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: pretty much with the bpo's that they are removing players bough aur then they spent the aur in game for bpo's..thus the aur cannot be taken away from them..the bpo's can... however with packs there was no mid way currency change if you bought a merc pack or elite pack those bpo's are legally untouchable by ccp they could not take away the vet pack bpo saga without replacing it with a bpo lav because of this but what if they removed LAV'S? then it would be worthless right? you would have a bpo you cant use... do you see the folly in that argument yet? if they removed lavs entirely ..that would probably have real legal ramifications as i said those lavs cannot be touched..well at least the ones that came with the vet pack but thats a hypothetical scenario that wont occur..and in regards to the vehicle bpo's they are removing it is 100% legal no one directly spent real life money on those bpo's without an aur midway transaction first
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 73	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:44:00 - [19] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: pretty much with the bpo's that they are removing players bough aur then they spent the aur in game for bpo's..thus the aur cannot be taken away from them..the bpo's can... however with packs there was no mid way currency change if you bought a merc pack or elite pack those bpo's are legally untouchable by ccp they could not take away the vet pack bpo saga without replacing it with a bpo lav because of this but what if they removed LAV'S? then it would be worthless right? you would have a bpo you cant use... do you see the folly in that argument yet? if they removed lavs entirely ..that would probably have real legal ramifications as i said those lavs cannot be touched..well at least the ones that came with the vet pack they could just give you the aur equivalent couldn't they? EULA bro, EULA...... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 73	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:46:00 - [20] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: that removing these bpo's opens the door for them to remove all bpo's who will care when its their bpo LAV? Sevr suit? exile ar? when will this action be too much for you to continue your support of a company that is careless with your money? actually in regards to taking away the exile dragonfly and any bpo purchased in a pack and not bought with aur would be illegal. the only reason they can legally remove the bpo's that they are is because they are in market bpo's bought with aur ..so the purchase of the aur is the transaction that has a binding contract on it..not the in market purchase of bpo's with aur however in the case of the exile lav bpo's and allot of other bpo's they were bought in packs off the psn...real money was exchanged for those specific items..do you understand the difference between the vehicle bpo's and the pack bpos explained thusly? in my interpretation its all real money.... the aur I bought when there were bpo's on the market is worth more than the aur they will give me now because there are no longer as attractive items for purchase. The problem then is in your interpretation. It doesn't matter what you think. You can QQ all you want. All that matters is what is legal. You can strike, lead a moral crusade, whatever. Have fun! It matters what I think if ccp wants my and those like minded's business. between eve and dust ive spent close to a grand in a year. how many 1000 dollar customers can they afford to lose? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!

Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 886	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:47:00 - [21] - Quote Players buy items for AUR. Months later CCP makes changes to the system, the item that the Players bought will no longer be functional because of this. Instead of leaving the useless item in the players inventory, CCP gives the players a full AUR refund, even though nothing says they have to provide a refund at all. Players resort to blackmail, silly legal action, and name calling. CCP doesn't sound like the bad guy to me... [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 77	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:49:00 - [22] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Players buy items for AUR. Months later CCP makes changes to the system, the item that the Players bought will no longer be functional because of this. Instead of leaving the useless item in the players inventory, CCP gives the players a full AUR refund, even though nothing says they have to provide a refund at all. Players resort to blackmail, silly legal action, and name calling. CCP doesn't sound like the bad guy to me... but the aur they are giving me is worth less than the aur I bought because items I could purchase before that had more value no longer exist.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Thor McStrut Reckoners 436	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:49:00 - [23] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Players buy items for AUR. Months later CCP makes changes to the system, the item that the Players bought will no longer be functional because of this. Instead of leaving the useless item in the players inventory, CCP gives the players a full AUR refund, even though nothing says they have to provide a refund at all. Players resort to blackmail, silly legal action, and name calling. CCP doesn't sound like the bad guy to me... Careful now. Logic has a tendency to start riots around here!
Rinas Rylos Rinas' Raiders 68	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:49:00 - [24] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Avallo Kantor wrote: This right here is what is called the "Slipper Slope" fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope The slippery slope basically posits that by taking one small steps, increasingly large and drastic steps are then going to come of it until one arrives at an extreme conclusion. The reason these 4 module BPOs were removed were because the modules themselves are being removed, as part of the larger vehicle rebalancing. If these BPOs stayed in your inventory, they would become useless, and serve no purpose other than being able to see it in your inventory. Instead they opted to remove the BPOs as well as the base items, and issue a refund. Items like the Sevr suit, and Exile ar are unlikely to be removed for much the same reason these BPOs were removed. They were removed because the relevant item NO LONGER EXISTS. For the Sevr and Exile BPOs to be removed in similar fashion would require that their respective suit and weapon be removed from the game in some future re-balancing. This, while in CCP's ability to do so, is highly unlikely to occur, and making wild accusations on such notions are unstable at best. These changes to vehicles were posted over a month ago, and have been on the front page of this forum for that amount of time. It should have been readily obvious that any BPOs for any items that were getting removed were also going to be removed or modified in some manner. The slippery slope fallacy starts with a relatively small issue, and balloons it into something preposterous. That is not the case here. We have started with the forcible removal of some BPOs, and it has been suggested that this means CCP is not averse to doing the same again in the future. There is no slope being traversed here. What you are using is called the fallacy fallacy; where you dismiss an argument on the basis of it using a fallacy, without addressing any of the details of the argument itself. Holy christ, I'm not sure where to begin with this. Okay, for starters; Removing BPOs for items that are no longer actually useful, and then leaping to suggest they'll abolish suit tiers and other important items? That's textbook slippery slope, and to think otherwise is just plain denial. Second, you realize you're essentially defending someone who is just stirring fatalist crap up with little to actually back up their claims, right? Someone who makes posts just to attack the company without asking for a reason or anything beyond making wild claims and giving hypothetical effects. You can see luca's poor debate skills spread throughout the pages as they try and jump from the removal of these BPOs to the removal of LAVs. Yes, because that's certainly not just a fear mongering tactic used in an attempt to try and garner anger and panic without any actual backing to do so.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 436	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:50:00 - [25] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Players buy items for AUR. Months later CCP makes changes to the system, the item that the Players bought will no longer be functional because of this. Instead of leaving the useless item in the players inventory, CCP gives the players a full AUR refund, even though nothing says they have to provide a refund at all. Players resort to blackmail, silly legal action, and name calling. CCP doesn't sound like the bad guy to me... but the aur they are giving me is worth less than the aur I bought because items I could purchase before that had more value no longer exist.... Fortunately, that is only your opinion, and thus holds no legal value.
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 77	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:54:00 - [26] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Players buy items for AUR. Months later CCP makes changes to the system, the item that the Players bought will no longer be functional because of this. Instead of leaving the useless item in the players inventory, CCP gives the players a full AUR refund, even though nothing says they have to provide a refund at all. Players resort to blackmail, silly legal action, and name calling. CCP doesn't sound like the bad guy to me... but the aur they are giving me is worth less than the aur I bought because items I could purchase before that had more value no longer exist.... Fortunately, that is only your opinion, and thus holds no legal value. ever own a business? customer opinion matters greatly. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Thor McStrut Reckoners 436	Posted - 2013.11.24 01:02:00 - [27] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Players buy items for AUR. Months later CCP makes changes to the system, the item that the Players bought will no longer be functional because of this. Instead of leaving the useless item in the players inventory, CCP gives the players a full AUR refund, even though nothing says they have to provide a refund at all. Players resort to blackmail, silly legal action, and name calling. CCP doesn't sound like the bad guy to me... but the aur they are giving me is worth less than the aur I bought because items I could purchase before that had more value no longer exist.... Fortunately, that is only your opinion, and thus holds no legal value. ever own a business? customer opinion matters greatly. Until other customers realize the complainer is just a whiny, self-entitled brat. After working in customer service for many years, it's easy to spot the terrible customers. As a business owner, I neither want, nor support, those customers.
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 79	Posted - 2013.11.24 01:03:00 - [28] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Players buy items for AUR. Months later CCP makes changes to the system, the item that the Players bought will no longer be functional because of this. Instead of leaving the useless item in the players inventory, CCP gives the players a full AUR refund, even though nothing says they have to provide a refund at all. Players resort to blackmail, silly legal action, and name calling. CCP doesn't sound like the bad guy to me... but the aur they are giving me is worth less than the aur I bought because items I could purchase before that had more value no longer exist.... Fortunately, that is only your opinion, and thus holds no legal value. ever own a business? customer opinion matters greatly. Until other customers realize the complainer is just a whiny, self-entitled brat. After working in customer service for many years, it's easy to spot the terrible customers. As a business owner, I neither want, nor support, those customers. lol... so then, you've never owned a buisness SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Iyllaria Dai Legions of Infinite Dominion 36	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:06:00 - [29] - Quote I own several and I would have told you to take your whiny business elsewhere. You're just a whiny child who has never been told no. Get over it. You have no legal action, nor any legal recourse against CCP. All you are doing is being an attention *****. As for another saying they legally cant remove BPO's from Merc packs, Sorry, but you're wrong. They can if they so decide and you have no legal leg to stand on there either. It's funny how many whiny posts the OP has made on this subject. Guess what. You're no more special than anyone else who has been affected by changes, updates, etc. Just because YOU don't find anything of value on the market doesn't make it CCP's fault. They are giving you a return on your investment. Don't like it, stop investing and go elsewhere. Go back to your P2W game model. Let us adults enjoy some adult fun.
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 87	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:17:00 - [30] - Quote Iyllaria Dai wrote: I own several and I would have told you to take your whiny business elsewhere. You're just a whiny child who has never been told no. Get over it. You have no legal action, nor any legal recourse against CCP. All you are doing is being an attention ***. As for another saying they legally cant remove BPO's from Merc packs, Sorry, but you're wrong. They can if they so decide and you have no legal leg to stand on there either. It's funny how many whiny posts the OP has made on this subject. Guess what. You're no more special than anyone else who has been affected by changes, updates, etc. Just because YOU don't find anything of value on the market doesn't make it CCP's fault. They are giving you a return on your investment. Don't like it, stop investing and go elsewhere. Go back to your P2W game model. Let us adults enjoy some adult fun. sir you need to calm down... and I doubt your veracity that you've owned several businesses .... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**

ugg reset Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 410	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:22:00 - [31] - Quote OH no! now I need to spend 5k a suite. dammit CCP maken me pay AUR just to field a suite, you monsters! quando omni flunkus, moritati
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2279	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:24:00 - [32] - Quote Iyllaria Dai wrote: I own several and I would have told you to take your whiny business elsewhere. You're just a whiny child who has never been told no. Get over it. You have no legal action, nor any legal recourse against CCP. All you are doing is being an attention *****. As for another saying they legally cant remove BPO's from Merc packs, Sorry, but you're wrong. They can if they so decide and you have no legal leg to stand on there either. It's funny how many whiny posts the OP has made on this subject. Guess what. You're no more special than anyone else who has been affected by changes, updates, etc. Just because YOU don't find anything of value on the market doesn't make it CCP's fault. They are giving you a return on your investment. Don't like it, stop investing and go elsewhere. Go back to your P2W game model. Let us adults enjoy some adult fun. We are legally free to do many things in life. This doesn't grant any of us immunity from criticism when we do them. CCP has screwed over a large number of paying customers, and you seem to be saying that our only recourse is to leave the game. If that were true there wouldn't be a feedback section, there wouldn't be a forum for that matter. Ccp would simply have to play the correlation lottery and figure out which recent change caused the drop in players on their spreadsheets. No.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 890	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:28:00 - [33] - Quote ugg reset wrote: OH no! now I need to spend 5k a suite. dammit CCP maken me pay AUR just to field a suite, you monsters! The funny thing is, they aren't even removing suit BPOs. Just Vehicle Modules, and their corresponding BPOs. They wouldn't even be able to use the modules after 1.7 anyway. These guys are crying, threatening to sue, blackmailing, demanding exorbitant refunds of +$100, fearmongering, and calling CCP names... It's hilarious. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered. REMOVE ALL BPOs
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 89	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:34:00 - [34] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: ugg reset wrote: OH no! now I need to spend 5k a suite. dammit CCP maken me pay AUR just to field a suite, you monsters! The funny thing is, they aren't even removing suit BPOs. Just Vehicle Modules, and their corresponding BPOs. They wouldn't even be able to use the modules after 1.7 anyway. These guys are crying, threatening to sue, blackmailing, demanding exorbitant refunds of +$100, fearmongering, and calling CCP names... It's hilarious. we are upset because we paid cash for these things and were promised they would be permanent and now they aren't.... its a trust thing. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 891	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:41:00 - [35] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: ugg reset wrote: OH no! now I need to spend 5k a suite. dammit CCP maken me pay AUR just to field a suite, you monsters! The funny thing is, they aren't even removing suit BPOs. Just Vehicle Modules, and their corresponding BPOs. They wouldn't even be able to use the modules after 1.7 anyway. These guys are crying, threatening to sue, blackmailing, demanding exorbitant refunds of +$100, fearmongering, and calling CCP names... It's hilarious. we are upset because we paid cash for these things and were promised they would be permanent and now they aren't.... its a trust thing. What do you want CCP to do! They can either remove the modules and give you an AUR refund, or they can let you keep some paperweight modules. Or, they could remove the modules without a refund, it is completely within their rights. They can't just leave them in when you can't get ISK equivalents, then DUST would be P2W. The Vehicle update seems to be set in stone at this point considering they gave us all the stats, so they are unlikely to undo that anytime soon. Things change, nothing is 'permanent' in CCP games. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered. REMOVE ALL BPOs
Denchlad 7 Heavy Reign inc. Freek Alliance 22	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:42:00 - [36] - Quote is confused So - if logic serves me correctly - people are whining that things are being removed that would've been rendered useless after 1.7 anyway, plus getting refunded their Aurum back that they paid for it with, which they can use to buy other stuff? The ****? Its not likely that dropsuits or weapons like the AR are gonna be removed. Thats complete garbage. I can 99% say that with certainty, as of course, nothing is certain. However these people need to realise that 99% is bigger than 1%, so stop saying "What if?" when the chances are so God damn low of it being removed. And the EULA says they can do what they want regardless of whether you've bought it or not. So you cant win. So quit bitching and get over it. -Flaylocks you in the face. -You rage at your proto-stomp suits death. -I laugh and dance off to blow up some more.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 147	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:44:00 - [37] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: All they need to do is turn BPOs into a BPC maker. Each day you get "x" number of BPCs from BPO "y". You can boost the productivity of your BPOs by using "resources" or AUR Eg. I have a raven assault c-1 BPO. I would get (for example) 25 BPCs per day from the BPO. So in a week I'll get 175 (25x7=175) BPCs of my raven suit. I can keep however many suits I want and then sell the rest on the p2p market for whatever price I see fit. NOTE: these numbers are just examples of how my idea would work. Feel free to change the #s or ways to "boost" production. Suggested the same thing a while back,got to + screw you responses then the thread died, But I also think it should only be days you log in Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Free tacos
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 90	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:45:00 - [38] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: is confused So - if logic serves me correctly - people are whining that things are being removed that would've been rendered useless after 1.7 anyway, plus getting refunded their Aurum back that they paid for it with, which they can use to buy other stuff? The **? Its not likely that dropsuits or weapons like the AR are gonna be removed. Thats complete garbage. I can 99% say that with certainty, as of course, nothing is certain. However these people need to realise that 99% is bigger than 1%, so stop saying "What if?" when the chances are so God damn low of it being removed. And the EULA says they can do what they want regardless of whether you've bought it or not. So you cant win. So quit bitching and get over it. read the threads you post in nub... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 321	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:46:00 - [39] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: This right here is what is called the "Slipper Slope" fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope The slippery slope basically posits that by taking one small steps, increasingly large and drastic steps are then going to come of it until one arrives at an extreme conclusion. The slippery slope argument in and of itself is not a fallacy, it is simply an argument that can be used either logically or fallaciously.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10578	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:46:00 - [40] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Players buy items for AUR. Months later CCP makes changes to the system, the item that the Players bought will no longer be functional because of this. Instead of leaving the useless item in the players inventory, CCP gives the players a full AUR refund, even though nothing says they have to provide a refund at all. Players resort to blackmail, silly legal action, and name calling. CCP doesn't sound like the bad guy to me... but the aur they are giving me is worth less than the aur I bought because items I could purchase before that had more value no longer exist.... Fortunately, that is only your opinion, and thus holds no legal value. ever own a business? customer opinion matters greatly. This is a flat out lie, The 'perception' of customer opinions matters is real business truth. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked

xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 90	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:48:00 - [41] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Players buy items for AUR. Months later CCP makes changes to the system, the item that the Players bought will no longer be functional because of this. Instead of leaving the useless item in the players inventory, CCP gives the players a full AUR refund, even though nothing says they have to provide a refund at all. Players resort to blackmail, silly legal action, and name calling. CCP doesn't sound like the bad guy to me... but the aur they are giving me is worth less than the aur I bought because items I could purchase before that had more value no longer exist.... Fortunately, that is only your opinion, and thus holds no legal value. ever own a business? customer opinion matters greatly. This is a flat out lie, The 'perception' of customer opinions matters is real business truth. IWS quit being useless.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Denchlad 7 Heavy Reign inc. Freek Alliance 22	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:50:00 - [42] - Quote xLuca Brasil wrote: read the threads you post in nub... looks Your point? Your logic is flawed and that I cannot wrap my head around, as I have prior explained. -Flaylocks you in the face. -You rage at your proto-stomp suits death. -I laugh and dance off to blow up some more.
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 90	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:52:00 - [43] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: xLuca Brasil wrote: read the threads you post in nub... looks Your point? Your logic is flawed and that I cannot wrap my head around, as I have prior explained. the you fail... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Denchlad 7 Heavy Reign inc. Freek Alliance 22	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:54:00 - [44] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Denchlad 7 wrote: xLuca Brasil wrote: read the threads you post in nub... looks Your point? Your logic is flawed and that I cannot wrap my head around, as I have prior explained. the you fail... That plus the IWS comment... is it that hard to admit you're wrong? -Flaylocks you in the face. -You rage at your proto-stomp suits death. -I laugh and dance off to blow up some more.
ugg reset Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 410	Posted - 2013.11.24 02:57:00 - [45] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: ugg reset wrote: OH no! now I need to spend 5k a suite. dammit CCP maken me pay AUR just to field a suite, you monsters! The funny thing is, they aren't even removing suit BPOs. Just Vehicle Modules, and their corresponding BPOs. They wouldn't even be able to use the modules after 1.7 anyway. These guys are crying, threatening to sue, blackmailing, demanding exorbitant refunds of +$100, fearmongering, and calling CCP names... It's hilarious. we are upset because we paid cash for these things and were promised they would be permanent and now they aren't.... its a trust thing. On the contrary, if you watched the twitch stream for EVE vegas you will see that they said the exact opposite. your AUR will be refunded. besides milita BPC's are dirt cheep anyway! you can buy most of them by the hundreds just after one game. quando omni flunkus, moritati
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 91	Posted - 2013.11.24 03:00:00 - [46] - Quote ugg reset wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: ugg reset wrote: OH no! now I need to spend 5k a suite. dammit CCP maken me pay AUR just to field a suite, you monsters! The funny thing is, they aren't even removing suit BPOs. Just Vehicle Modules, and their corresponding BPOs. They wouldn't even be able to use the modules after 1.7 anyway. These guys are crying, threatening to sue, blackmailing, demanding exorbitant refunds of +$100, fearmongering, and calling CCP names... It's hilarious. we are upset because we paid cash for these things and were promised they would be permanent and now they aren't.... its a trust thing. On the contrary, if you watched the twitch stream for EVE vegas you will see that they said the exact opposite. your AUR will be refunded. besides milita BPC's are dirt cheep anyway! you can buy most of them by the hundreds just after one game. the aur they are refunding is not worth the aur I bought...because the market no longer has the same caliber of product. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10580	Posted - 2013.11.24 03:01:00 - [47] - Quote Go watch a movie "Thank you for smoking." Its not that the customer is always right its the perception you make him think he is not only right, but he is right in buying your product and buying competitor products is wrong. Plenty of business truths there, its how a ****** product like apple sells so well. Commercials don't sell products They sell You. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10580	Posted - 2013.11.24 03:02:00 - [48] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: the aur they are refunding is not worth the aur I bought...because the market no longer has the same caliber of product. Counter arguably the money you spent into this game is no longer worth what you bought it at so why should we exactly refund you the same? Also from an economist point of view the value of aurum has gone up if it were a transferrable thing because the amount of aurum offerings has significantly decreased thus ergo lower supply and the demand of consumption is constant as all goods aurum can be spent on is perishable. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
ugg reset Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 410	Posted - 2013.11.24 03:02:00 - [49] - Quote ugg reset wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: ugg reset wrote: OH no! now I need to spend 5k a suite. dammit CCP maken me pay AUR just to field a suite, you monsters! The funny thing is, they aren't even removing suit BPOs. Just Vehicle Modules, and their corresponding BPOs. They wouldn't even be able to use the modules after 1.7 anyway. These guys are crying, threatening to sue, blackmailing, demanding exorbitant refunds of +$100, fearmongering, and calling CCP names... It's hilarious. we are upset because we paid cash for these things and were promised they would be permanent and now they aren't.... its a trust thing. On the contrary, if you watched the twitch stream for EVE vegas you will see that they said the exact opposite. your AUR will be refunded. besides milita BPC's are dirt cheep anyway! you can buy most of them by the hundreds just after one game. quando omni flunkus, moritati
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 41	Posted - 2013.11.24 03:32:00 - [50] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: that removing these bpo's opens the door for them to remove all bpo's who will care when its their bpo LAV? Sevr suit? exile ar? when will this action be too much for you to continue your support of a company that is careless with your money? For fucks sake, do you even know the reason why they removed the BPO's in the first place?

xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 91	Posted - 2013.11.24 03:43:00 - [51] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: that removing these bpo's opens the door for them to remove all bpo's who will care when its their bpo LAV? Sevr suit? exile ar? when will this action be too much for you to continue your support of a company that is careless with your money? For fucks sake, do you even know the reason why they removed the BPO's in the first place? they are removing them because they chose to change the way vehicles work. of all the ways they could have done this they chose a way that disenfranchises loyal dust players. this was decided after they assured us we would keep our bpo's. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 92	Posted - 2013.11.24 03:49:00 - [52] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: the aur they are refunding is not worth the aur I bought...because the market no longer has the same caliber of product. Counter arguably the money you spent into this game is no longer worth what you bought it at so why should we exactly refund you the same? Also from an economist point of view the value of aurum has gone up if it were a transferrable thing because the amount of aurum offerings has significantly decreased thus ergo lower supply and the demand of consumption is constant as all goods aurum can be spent on is perishable. ..... what would you pay more for: a bottle of booze that is always full no matter how much you drink, or a pint? if pints wound up costing as much I'd say that would be inflation. inflation decrease the worth of a revenue not increases it. i'd rather have a dollar in 1918 than a dollar in 2013. the aur from when bpo's were on the market was worth more, you got more for your aur. now you get les so the aur is worth less.... you already admitted you don't care about this issue, and you obviously only care about what affects you not the community... so why do you continue to post? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10593	Posted - 2013.11.24 04:19:00 - [53] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: the aur they are refunding is not worth the aur I bought...because the market no longer has the same caliber of product. Counter arguably the money you spent into this game is no longer worth what you bought it at so why should we exactly refund you the same? Also from an economist point of view the value of aurum has gone up if it were a transferrable thing because the amount of aurum offerings has significantly decreased thus ergo lower supply and the demand of consumption is constant as all goods aurum can be spent on is perishable. ..... what would you pay more for: The Aur from when bpo's were on the market was worth more, you got more for your aur. a bottle of booze that is always full no matter how much you drink, or a pint? if pints wound up costing as much I'd say that would be inflation. inflation decrease the worth of a revenue not increases it. i'd rather have a dollar in 1918 than a dollar in 2013. now you get les so the aur is worth less.... you already admitted you don't care about this issue, and you obviously only care about what affects you not the community... so why do you continue to post? Aged Booze is a thing you know? http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/271201930385?lpid=82 And no AUR is worth more than it used to be with the removal of the merc pack. What happened back then before is equivalent to the creation of a dime to compliment the dollar for things less than a dollar. Suddenly 1, is no longer the smallest unit but 1/10 of that unit is and both are now measured the same. Because that package was remove the unintentional injection of AUR has significantly dropped over the time being while the overall supply continues to decrease as they are used to buy consumables (which you cannot refute people do indeed buy consumables modules and gear) as well as the active and passive boosters. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 93	Posted - 2013.11.24 04:30:00 - [54] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: the aur they are refunding is not worth the aur I bought...because the market no longer has the same caliber of product. Counter arguably the money you spent into this game is no longer worth what you bought it at so why should we exactly refund you the same? Also from an economist point of view the value of aurum has gone up if it were a transferrable thing because the amount of aurum offerings has significantly decreased thus ergo lower supply and the demand of consumption is constant as all goods aurum can be spent on is perishable. ..... what would you pay more for: The Aur from when bpo's were on the market was worth more, you got more for your aur. a bottle of booze that is always full no matter how much you drink, or a pint? if pints wound up costing as much I'd say that would be inflation. inflation decrease the worth of a revenue not increases it. i'd rather have a dollar in 1918 than a dollar in 2013. now you get les so the aur is worth less.... you already admitted you don't care about this issue, and you obviously only care about what affects you not the community... so why do you continue to post? Aged Booze is a thing you know? http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/271201930385?lpid=82 And no AUR is worth more than it used to be with the removal of the merc pack. What happened back then before is equivalent to the creation of a dime to compliment the dollar for things less than a dollar. Suddenly 1, is no longer the smallest unit but 1/10 of that unit is and both are now measured the same. Because that package was remove the unintentional injection of AUR has significantly dropped over the time being while the overall supply continues to decrease as they are used to buy consumables (which you cannot refute people do indeed buy consumables modules and gear) as well as the active and passive boosters. your talking in circles with no content.... the items you can buy with aur are now worth less (consumables compared to permanents) so aur is worth less.... you still didn't answer me, why keep posting if you don't care? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10594	Posted - 2013.11.24 04:39:00 - [55] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: your talking in circles with no content.... the items you can buy with aur are now worth less (consumables compared to permanents) so aur is worth less.... you still didn't answer me, why keep posting if you don't care? As pointed out by others with your poor debate skills you are being a bit of a hypocrite here. AUR being returned is far more than what was being spent into those BPOs whose value is nearing 0 in 1.7 due to the fact that 3 will be nonfunctional and 1 cannot be reasonably fitted anymore for any known advantage similar to the now useless Yellow Pills. It's like trying to sell an iPhone 1 at the same very value on its first day debut. Neither the money NOR the product are as good as they where back then. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2987	Posted - 2013.11.24 04:46:00 - [56] - Quote It's time like this that I don't want to live on this planet with these idiots anymore.
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 156	Posted - 2013.11.24 04:51:00 - [57] - Quote this kid just doesn't get it.
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 95	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:25:00 - [58] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: your talking in circles with no content.... the items you can buy with aur are now worth less (consumables compared to permanents) so aur is worth less.... you still didn't answer me, why keep posting if you don't care? As pointed out by others with your poor debate skills you are being a bit of a hypocrite here. AUR being returned is far more than what was being spent into those BPOs whose value is nearing 0 in 1.7 due to the fact that 3 will be nonfunctional and 1 cannot be reasonably fitted anymore for any known advantage similar to the now useless Yellow Pills. It's like trying to sell an iPhone 1 at the same very value on its first day debut. Neither the money NOR the product are as good as they where back then. they are only useless because ccp chose to make them useless.... poor debate skills? I've been arguing this point for days, constantly repeating myself to people who should have just read the previous threads... I'm sick of repeating myself. but I will continue to as long as there is hope of ccp doing the right thing. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10600	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:35:00 - [59] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: your talking in circles with no content.... the items you can buy with aur are now worth less (consumables compared to permanents) so aur is worth less.... you still didn't answer me, why keep posting if you don't care? As pointed out by others with your poor debate skills you are being a bit of a hypocrite here. AUR being returned is far more than what was being spent into those BPOs whose value is nearing 0 in 1.7 due to the fact that 3 will be nonfunctional and 1 cannot be reasonably fitted anymore for any known advantage similar to the now useless Yellow Pills. It's like trying to sell an iPhone 1 at the same very value on its first day debut. Neither the money NOR the product are as good as they where back then. they are only useless because ccp chose to make them useless.... poor debate skills? I've been arguing this point for days, constantly repeating myself to people who should have just read the previous threads... I'm sick of repeating myself. but I will continue to as long as there is hope of ccp doing the right thing. My dear friend its not endurance that matters in debates its how quickly you can get the other side to start calling you names. A good debate continuously brings in new weapons into the fight. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1519	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:35:00 - [60] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: The reason these 4 module BPOs were removed were because the modules themselves are being removed, as part of the larger vehicle rebalancing. If these BPOs stayed in your inventory, they would become useless, and serve no purpose other than being able to see it in your inventory. Instead they opted to remove the BPOs as well as the base items, and issue a refund. Why the hell is this so hard for people to understand... Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game

xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 95	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:38:00 - [61] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Avallo Kantor wrote: The reason these 4 module BPOs were removed were because the modules themselves are being removed, as part of the larger vehicle rebalancing. If these BPOs stayed in your inventory, they would become useless, and serve no purpose other than being able to see it in your inventory. Instead they opted to remove the BPOs as well as the base items, and issue a refund. Why the hell is this so hard for people to understand... I keep asking why the other side of the argument is so hard to understand.... so I feel your pain, if for different reasons.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 261	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:52:00 - [62] - Quote Is it bad i find this funny? Kid, learn to realize you have NOBODY supporting you. It's like a soldier trying to mutiny his commander: Soldier is upset about commander's leadership, so he asks around for assistance- Every single one says "you ******* crazy? Shut up before i shoot you." After asking everyone the same thing for 5 days straight, every 5 minutes, you attempt to singlehandedly murder the commander. What do you think would happen next? Hint: they shoot the crazy person.(seeing as we don't have forum based weaponry, i believe people are becoming EXTREMELY agitated right now) :) -Newly proclaimed Lazor riffle specialist- "You said yourself fantastically 'congratulations you are all alone.'"
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 905	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:56:00 - [63] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Is it bad i find this funny? Kid, learn to realize you have NOBODY supporting you. It's like a soldier trying to mutiny his commander: Soldier is upset about commander's leadership, so he asks around for assistance- Every single one says "you ***** crazy? Shut up before i shoot you." After asking everyone the same thing for 5 days straight, every 5 minutes, you attempt to singlehandedly murder the commander. What do you think would happen next? Hint: they shoot the crazy person.(seeing as we don't have forum based weaponry, i believe people are becoming EXTREMELY agitated right now) :) I find it funny as well. Sure, we could be discussing more pressing issues, like TTK, but I'm fine with sillyness as well. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94]** The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered. REMOVE ALL BPOs
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 95	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:56:00 - [64] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Is it bad i find this funny? Kid, learn to realize you have NOBODY supporting you. It's like a soldier trying to mutiny his commander: Soldier is upset about commander's leadership, so he asks around for assistance- Every single one says "you ***** crazy? Shut up before i shoot you." After asking everyone the same thing for 5 days straight, every 5 minutes, you attempt to singlehandedly murder the commander. What do you think would happen next? Hint: they shoot the crazy person.(seeing as we don't have forum based weaponry, i believe people are becoming EXTREMELY agitated right now) :) your not reading the threads... I have tons of support... this alt had zero likes when I started this campaign. every like is tied to a post about bpo's. every thread has lots of positive support. and there are many more who sit on the side lines in silence letting me advocate for them. we are many! we are strong! SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 96	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:59:00 - [65] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Is it bad i find this funny? Kid, learn to realize you have NOBODY supporting you. It's like a soldier trying to mutiny his commander: Soldier is upset about commander's leadership, so he asks around for assistance- Every single one says "you ***** crazy? Shut up before i shoot you." After asking everyone the same thing for 5 days straight, every 5 minutes, you attempt to singlehandedly murder the commander. What do you think would happen next? Hint: they shoot the crazy person.(seeing as we don't have forum based weaponry, i believe people are becoming EXTREMELY agitated right now) :) I find it funny as well. Sure, we could be discussing more pressing issues, like TTK, but I'm fine with sillyness as well. TTK is broke.... now back to bpo's! SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 261	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:59:00 - [66] - Quote Oh, my bad. I guess i meant to put 'you' as in plural. Suppose a group of 100 people ran up to overthrow the president...and the whole nation was watching via TV... -Newly proclaimed Lazor riffle specialist- "You said yourself fantastically 'congratulations you are all alone.'"
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10600	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:01:00 - [67] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: your not reading the threads... I have tons of support... this alt had zero likes when I started this campaign. every like is tied to a post about bpo's. every thread has lots of positive support. and there are many more who sit on the side lines in silence letting me advocate for them. we are many! we are strong! I get a hundred likes a day without effort and according the forums I am a well hated villain of the forums. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 905	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:04:00 - [68] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Is it bad i find this funny? Kid, learn to realize you have NOBODY supporting you. It's like a soldier trying to mutiny his commander: Soldier is upset about commander's leadership, so he asks around for assistance- Every single one says "you ***** crazy? Shut up before i shoot you." After asking everyone the same thing for 5 days straight, every 5 minutes, you attempt to singlehandedly murder the commander. What do you think would happen next? Hint: they shoot the crazy person.(seeing as we don't have forum based weaponry, i believe people are becoming EXTREMELY agitated right now) :) your not reading the threads... I have tons of support... this alt had zero likes when I started this campaign. every like is tied to a post about bpo's. every thread has lots of positive support. and there are many more who sit on the side lines in silence letting me advocate for them. we are many! we are strong! 95 likes would gain CCPs attention... if they were all on one thread. Also, its my suspicion that the same 5-6 people have liked your posts, as I haven't seen many different names on your threads. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94]** The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered. REMOVE ALL BPOs
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 96	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:05:00 - [69] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: your not reading the threads... I have tons of support... this alt had zero likes when I started this campaign. every like is tied to a post about bpo's. every thread has lots of positive support. and there are many more who sit on the side lines in silence letting me advocate for them. we are many! we are strong! I get a hundred likes a day without effort and according the forums I am a well hated villain of the forums. but if you read my posts, most of the likes are tied to my arguments not useless drivel like you get likes for from salivating fanbois. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 96	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:06:00 - [70] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Is it bad i find this funny? Kid, learn to realize you have NOBODY supporting you. It's like a soldier trying to mutiny his commander: Soldier is upset about commander's leadership, so he asks around for assistance- Every single one says "you ***** crazy? Shut up before i shoot you." After asking everyone the same thing for 5 days straight, every 5 minutes, you attempt to singlehandedly murder the commander. What do you think would happen next? Hint: they shoot the crazy person.(seeing as we don't have forum based weaponry, i believe people are becoming EXTREMELY agitated right now) :) your not reading the threads... I have tons of support... this alt had zero likes when I started this campaign. every like is tied to a post about bpo's. every thread has lots of positive support. and there are many more who sit on the side lines in silence letting me advocate for them. we are many! we are strong! 95 likes would gain CCPs attention... if they were all on one thread. Also, its my suspicion that the same 5-6 people have liked your posts, as I haven't seen many different names on your threads. some of them have near 20.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**

Badonk Adonk Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 42	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:10:00 - [71] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: your not reading the threads... I have tons of support... this alt had zero likes when I started this campaign. every like is tied to a post about bpo's. every thread has lots of positive support. and there are many more who sit on the side lines in silence letting me advocate for them. we are many! we are strong! I get a hundred likes a day without effort and according the forums I am a well hated villain of the forums. Faaaaark quite an ego. **** up, tosspot
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 96	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:12:00 - [72] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Is it bad i find this funny? Kid, learn to realize you have NOBODY supporting you. It's like a soldier trying to mutiny his commander: Soldier is upset about commander's leadership, so he asks around for assistance- Every single one says "you ***** crazy? Shut up before i shoot you." After asking everyone the same thing for 5 days straight, every 5 minutes, you attempt to singlehandedly murder the commander. What do you think would happen next? Hint: they shoot the crazy person.(seeing as we don't have forum based weaponry, i believe people are becoming EXTREMELY agitated right now) :) your not reading the threads... I have tons of support... this alt had zero likes when I started this campaign. every like is tied to a post about bpo's. every thread has lots of positive support. and there are many more who sit on the side lines in silence letting me advocate for them. we are many! we are strong! 95 likes would gain CCPs attention... if they were all on one thread. Also, its my suspicion that the same 5-6 people have liked your posts, as I haven't seen many different names on your threads. Edit: I've gained 30+ likes just from shooting your posts down. only 30? and from what 3 or 4 people? I bet I have more likes on any given page we are both in than you do. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 261	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:13:00 - [73] - Quote And yet here you are, so easily distracted. 'I'm not a kid, i'm thwee!' Pretty much the same damn thing. Nobody respects a person until they get 200+ likes. Anywhere around 1000+ is nearing a farmer. And 2000+ is just pure insanity. Now as for IwS... He's smart. When he wants to be. Other times he places hilarious bouts of randomness that force you to like them. As for you... -Newly proclaimed Lazor riffle specialist- "You said yourself fantastically 'congratulations you are all alone.'"
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 96	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:16:00 - [74] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: And yet here you are, so easily distracted. 'I'm not a kid, i'm thwee!' Pretty much the same damn thing. Nobody respects a person until they get 200+ likes. Anywhere around 1000+ is nearing a farmer. And 2000+ is just pure insanity. Now as for IwS... He's smart. When he wants to be. Other times he places hilarious bouts of randomness that force you to like them. As for you... well my main has 1300+.... I'm not distracted... im keeping my post on page 1 SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 905	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:17:00 - [75] - Quote Oh. I see you have gained CCPs attention... They deleted your thread. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered. REMOVE ALL BPOs
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 99	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:07:00 - [76] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Oh. I see you have gained CCPs attention... They deleted your thread. I been had ccp's attention... where have you been? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2283	Posted - 2013.11.24 13:41:00 - [77] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Players buy items for AUR. Months later CCP makes changes to the system, the item that the Players bought will no longer be functional because of this. Instead of leaving the useless item in the players inventory, CCP gives the players a full AUR refund, even though nothing says they have to provide a refund at all. Players resort to blackmail, silly legal action, and name calling. CCP doesn't sound like the bad guy to me... So if CCP stopped all boosters functioning, and we kicked off, you'd be on CCP's side!? GTFO No.
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 106	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:22:00 - [78] - Quote ccp, we deserve answers, and action. quit ignoring us! SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 262	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:44:00 - [79] - Quote Did you know men are more likely to be hit by lightning than women? You have been enlightened. -Newly proclaimed Lazor riffle specialist- "You said yourself fantastically 'congratulations you are all alone.'"
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 117	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:55:00 - [80] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Did you know men are more likely to be hit by lightning than women? You have been enlightened. that's because men have rods SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!

knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 688	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:24:00 - [81] - Quote if we allow women to vote that will open the door to horses and cows voting! what's next fair pay? I don't disagree with op, I also have no bpos that I paid for, I like my skinweaves and my exile I hope they don't go. but if that is what it takes to have meaning full interaction with eve pilots and the overall expansion of the economy than do what needs to be done and rip off the band aid! I've always been of the opinion that anything above a MLT bpo was a mistake and would come back to haunt us now it is. I'm tired of these threads and venting it here. rage away. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 119	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:26:00 - [82] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: if we allow women to vote that will open the door to horses and cows voting! what's next fair pay? I don't disagree with op, I also have no bpos that I paid for, I like my skinweaves and my exile I hope they don't go. but if that is what it takes to have meaning full interaction with eve pilots and the overall expansion of the economy than do what needs to be done and rip off the band aid! I've always been of the opinion that anything above a MLT bpo was a mistake and would come back to haunt us now it is. I'm tired of these threads and venting it here. rage away. yet another ridiculous counter argument by someone who didn't buy bpo's.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Iyllaria Dai Legions of Infinite Dominion 43	Posted - 2013.11.26 05:19:00 - [83] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Iyllaria Dai wrote: I own several and I would have told you to take your whiny business elsewhere. You're just a whiny child who has never been told no. Get over it. You have no legal action, nor any legal recourse against CCP. All you are doing is being an attention *****. As for another saying they legally cant remove BPO's from Merc packs, Sorry, but you're wrong. They can if they so decide and you have no legal leg to stand on there either. It's funny how many whiny posts the OP has made on this subject. Guess what. You're no more special than anyone else who has been affected by changes, updates, etc. Just because YOU don't find anything of value on the market doesn't make it CCP's fault. They are giving you a return on your investment. Don't like it, stop investing and go elsewhere. Go back to your P2W game model. Let us adults enjoy some adult fun. sir you need to calm down... and I doubt your veracity that you've owned several businesses .... I never said "owned", I said own, as in currently. So sorry you fail at reading. Funny you think I need to calm down, yet you're the one who fails to understand you have no leg to stand on and had to make up a BS story about consumer agencies and suing CCP. Your thought on why they are removing BPO's in regards to "they dcided to change how vehicles work" is about as in depth as your threats of taking any action against CCP. They are removing them to balance vehicles that still remain broken. Much like they did because a bunch of whiny QQ brats cried over the Cal Logi suits that were then changed. Where was the compensation for that? NO ONE EVER said the item was permanent and was never going to be removed from the game. The use of the word permanent in the BPO's refers to the fact they do not consume on use, but your lack of comprehension fails to understand this concept. Since the EULA specifically says they can remove things as they see fit at any time blah, blah.... then there is nothing you can do or say to change it. Live with it. Dust is an ever growing entity and as such will continue to change and have things removed, added, edited, etc as they see fit to make the game rounded and avoid the Pay to Win scenario which you are crying for. Your whole argument is the equivalent of a child laying on the shopping center floor kicking and screaming because he didn't get the toy he wants. What needs to happen now is Mom/Dad ( a.k.a CCP ) needs to come along and tan than ass and be done with it.


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