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ugg reset
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:22:00 -
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OH no! now I need to spend 5k a suite. dammit CCP maken me pay AUR just to field a suite, you monsters! 
quando omni flunkus, moritati
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2279
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:24:00 -
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Iyllaria Dai wrote:I own several and I would have told you to take your whiny business elsewhere.
You're just a whiny child who has never been told no. Get over it. You have no legal action, nor any legal recourse against CCP. All you are doing is being an attention *****.
As for another saying they legally cant remove BPO's from Merc packs, Sorry, but you're wrong. They can if they so decide and you have no legal leg to stand on there either.
It's funny how many whiny posts the OP has made on this subject. Guess what. You're no more special than anyone else who has been affected by changes, updates, etc.
Just because YOU don't find anything of value on the market doesn't make it CCP's fault. They are giving you a return on your investment. Don't like it, stop investing and go elsewhere. Go back to your P2W game model.
Let us adults enjoy some adult fun.
We are legally free to do many things in life. This doesn't grant any of us immunity from criticism when we do them.
CCP has screwed over a large number of paying customers, and you seem to be saying that our only recourse is to leave the game. If that were true there wouldn't be a feedback section, there wouldn't be a forum for that matter. Ccp would simply have to play the correlation lottery and figure out which recent change caused the drop in players on their spreadsheets.
No.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
890
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:28:00 -
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ugg reset wrote:OH no! now I need to spend 5k a suite. dammit CCP maken me pay AUR just to field a suite, you monsters!
The funny thing is, they aren't even removing suit BPOs. Just Vehicle Modules, and their corresponding BPOs. They wouldn't even be able to use the modules after 1.7 anyway. These guys are crying, threatening to sue, blackmailing, demanding exorbitant refunds of +$100, fearmongering, and calling CCP names... It's hilarious.
[+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94]
The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
REMOVE ALL BPOs
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
89
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:34:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:ugg reset wrote:OH no! now I need to spend 5k a suite. dammit CCP maken me pay AUR just to field a suite, you monsters! The funny thing is, they aren't even removing suit BPOs. Just Vehicle Modules, and their corresponding BPOs. They wouldn't even be able to use the modules after 1.7 anyway. These guys are crying, threatening to sue, blackmailing, demanding exorbitant refunds of +$100, fearmongering, and calling CCP names... It's hilarious.
we are upset because we paid cash for these things and were promised they would be permanent and now they aren't....
its a trust thing.
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
891
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:41:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:ugg reset wrote:OH no! now I need to spend 5k a suite. dammit CCP maken me pay AUR just to field a suite, you monsters! The funny thing is, they aren't even removing suit BPOs. Just Vehicle Modules, and their corresponding BPOs. They wouldn't even be able to use the modules after 1.7 anyway. These guys are crying, threatening to sue, blackmailing, demanding exorbitant refunds of +$100, fearmongering, and calling CCP names... It's hilarious. we are upset because we paid cash for these things and were promised they would be permanent and now they aren't.... its a trust thing.
What do you want CCP to do!
They can either remove the modules and give you an AUR refund, or they can let you keep some paperweight modules. Or, they could remove the modules without a refund, it is completely within their rights.
They can't just leave them in when you can't get ISK equivalents, then DUST would be P2W. The Vehicle update seems to be set in stone at this point considering they gave us all the stats, so they are unlikely to undo that anytime soon.
Things change, nothing is 'permanent' in CCP games.
[+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94]
The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
REMOVE ALL BPOs
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Denchlad 7
Heavy Reign inc.
Freek Alliance
22
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:42:00 -
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*is confused*
So - if logic serves me correctly - people are whining that things are being removed that would've been rendered useless after 1.7 anyway, plus getting refunded their Aurum back that they paid for it with, which they can use to buy other stuff?
The ****?
Its not likely that dropsuits or weapons like the AR are gonna be removed. Thats complete garbage. I can 99% say that with certainty, as of course, nothing is certain.
However these people need to realise that 99% is bigger than 1%, so stop saying "What if?" when the chances are so God damn low of it being removed.
And the EULA says they can do what they want regardless of whether you've bought it or not. So you cant win. So quit bitching and get over it.
-Flaylocks you in the face.
-You rage at your proto-stomp suits death.
-I laugh and dance off to blow up some more.
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
147
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:44:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:All they need to do is turn BPOs into a BPC maker.
Each day you get "x" number of BPCs from BPO "y". You can boost the productivity of your BPOs by using "resources" or AUR
Eg. I have a raven assault c-1 BPO. I would get (for example) 25 BPCs per day from the BPO. So in a week I'll get 175 (25x7=175) BPCs of my raven suit.
I can keep however many suits I want and then sell the rest on the p2p market for whatever price I see fit.
NOTE: these numbers are just examples of how my idea would work. Feel free to change the #s or ways to "boost" production.
Suggested the same thing a while back,got to + screw you responses then the thread died,
But I also think it should only be days you log in
Christ is lord
Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now.
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
90
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:45:00 -
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Denchlad 7 wrote:*is confused*
So - if logic serves me correctly - people are whining that things are being removed that would've been rendered useless after 1.7 anyway, plus getting refunded their Aurum back that they paid for it with, which they can use to buy other stuff?
The ****?
Its not likely that dropsuits or weapons like the AR are gonna be removed. Thats complete garbage. I can 99% say that with certainty, as of course, nothing is certain.
However these people need to realise that 99% is bigger than 1%, so stop saying "What if?" when the chances are so God damn low of it being removed.
And the EULA says they can do what they want regardless of whether you've bought it or not. So you cant win. So quit bitching and get over it.
read the threads you post in nub...
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
321
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:46:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote:This right here is what is called the "Slipper Slope" fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slopeThe slippery slope basically posits that by taking one small steps, increasingly large and drastic steps are then going to come of it until one arrives at an extreme conclusion.
The slippery slope argument in and of itself is not a fallacy, it is simply an argument that can be used either logically or fallaciously. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10578
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:46:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:Thor McStrut wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Players buy items for AUR.
Months later CCP makes changes to the system, the item that the Players bought will no longer be functional because of this. Instead of leaving the useless item in the players inventory, CCP gives the players a full AUR refund, even though nothing says they have to provide a refund at all.
Players resort to blackmail, silly legal action, and name calling.
CCP doesn't sound like the bad guy to me... but the aur they are giving me is worth less than the aur I bought because items I could purchase before that had more value no longer exist.... Fortunately, that is only your opinion, and thus holds no legal value. ever own a business? customer opinion matters greatly.
This is a flat out lie,
The 'perception' of customer opinions matters is real business truth.
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
90
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:48:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Thor McStrut wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Players buy items for AUR.
Months later CCP makes changes to the system, the item that the Players bought will no longer be functional because of this. Instead of leaving the useless item in the players inventory, CCP gives the players a full AUR refund, even though nothing says they have to provide a refund at all.
Players resort to blackmail, silly legal action, and name calling.
CCP doesn't sound like the bad guy to me... but the aur they are giving me is worth less than the aur I bought because items I could purchase before that had more value no longer exist.... Fortunately, that is only your opinion, and thus holds no legal value. ever own a business? customer opinion matters greatly. This is a flat out lie, The 'perception' of customer opinions matters is real business truth.
IWS quit being useless....
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Denchlad 7
Heavy Reign inc.
Freek Alliance
22
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:50:00 -
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xLuca Brasil wrote:read the threads you post in nub...
*looks*
Your point?
Your logic is flawed and that I cannot wrap my head around, as I have prior explained.
-Flaylocks you in the face.
-You rage at your proto-stomp suits death.
-I laugh and dance off to blow up some more.
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
90
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:52:00 -
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Denchlad 7 wrote:xLuca Brasil wrote:read the threads you post in nub... *looks* Your point? Your logic is flawed and that I cannot wrap my head around, as I have prior explained.
the you fail...
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Denchlad 7
Heavy Reign inc.
Freek Alliance
22
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:54:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:Denchlad 7 wrote:xLuca Brasil wrote:read the threads you post in nub... *looks* Your point? Your logic is flawed and that I cannot wrap my head around, as I have prior explained. the you fail...
That plus the IWS comment... is it that hard to admit you're wrong? 
-Flaylocks you in the face.
-You rage at your proto-stomp suits death.
-I laugh and dance off to blow up some more.
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ugg reset
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
410
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:57:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:ugg reset wrote:OH no! now I need to spend 5k a suite. dammit CCP maken me pay AUR just to field a suite, you monsters! The funny thing is, they aren't even removing suit BPOs. Just Vehicle Modules, and their corresponding BPOs. They wouldn't even be able to use the modules after 1.7 anyway. These guys are crying, threatening to sue, blackmailing, demanding exorbitant refunds of +$100, fearmongering, and calling CCP names... It's hilarious. we are upset because we paid cash for these things and were promised they would be permanent and now they aren't.... its a trust thing.
On the contrary, if you watched the twitch stream for EVE vegas you will see that they said the exact opposite. your AUR will be refunded. besides milita BPC's are dirt cheep anyway! you can buy most of them by the hundreds just after one game.
quando omni flunkus, moritati
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
91
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:00:00 -
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ugg reset wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:ugg reset wrote:OH no! now I need to spend 5k a suite. dammit CCP maken me pay AUR just to field a suite, you monsters! The funny thing is, they aren't even removing suit BPOs. Just Vehicle Modules, and their corresponding BPOs. They wouldn't even be able to use the modules after 1.7 anyway. These guys are crying, threatening to sue, blackmailing, demanding exorbitant refunds of +$100, fearmongering, and calling CCP names... It's hilarious. we are upset because we paid cash for these things and were promised they would be permanent and now they aren't.... its a trust thing. On the contrary, if you watched the twitch stream for EVE vegas you will see that they said the exact opposite. your AUR will be refunded. besides milita BPC's are dirt cheep anyway! you can buy most of them by the hundreds just after one game.
the aur they are refunding is not worth the aur I bought...because the market no longer has the same caliber of product.
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10580
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:01:00 -
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Go watch a movie
"Thank you for smoking."
Its not that the customer is always right its the perception you make him think he is not only right, but he is right in buying your product and buying competitor products is wrong.
Plenty of business truths there, its how a ****** product like apple sells so well.
Commercials don't sell products
They sell You.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10580
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:02:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:
the aur they are refunding is not worth the aur I bought...because the market no longer has the same caliber of product.
Counter arguably the money you spent into this game is no longer worth what you bought it at so why should we exactly refund you the same?
Also from an economist point of view the value of aurum has gone up if it were a transferrable thing because the amount of aurum offerings has significantly decreased thus ergo lower supply and the demand of consumption is constant as all goods aurum can be spent on is perishable.
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ugg reset
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
410
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:02:00 -
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ugg reset wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:ugg reset wrote:OH no! now I need to spend 5k a suite. dammit CCP maken me pay AUR just to field a suite, you monsters! The funny thing is, they aren't even removing suit BPOs. Just Vehicle Modules, and their corresponding BPOs. They wouldn't even be able to use the modules after 1.7 anyway. These guys are crying, threatening to sue, blackmailing, demanding exorbitant refunds of +$100, fearmongering, and calling CCP names... It's hilarious. we are upset because we paid cash for these things and were promised they would be permanent and now they aren't.... its a trust thing. On the contrary, if you watched the twitch stream for EVE vegas you will see that they said the exact opposite. your AUR will be refunded. besides milita BPC's are dirt cheep anyway! you can buy most of them by the hundreds just after one game.
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Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
41
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:32:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:that removing these bpo's opens the door for them to remove all bpo's
who will care when its their bpo LAV?
Sevr suit?
exile ar?
when will this action be too much for you to continue your support of a company that is careless with your money?
For fucks sake, do you even know the reason why they removed the BPO's in the first place? |
xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
91
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:43:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:that removing these bpo's opens the door for them to remove all bpo's
who will care when its their bpo LAV?
Sevr suit?
exile ar?
when will this action be too much for you to continue your support of a company that is careless with your money? For fucks sake, do you even know the reason why they removed the BPO's in the first place?
they are removing them because they chose to change the way vehicles work.
of all the ways they could have done this they chose a way that disenfranchises loyal dust players.
this was decided after they assured us we would keep our bpo's.
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
92
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:49:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:
the aur they are refunding is not worth the aur I bought...because the market no longer has the same caliber of product.
Counter arguably the money you spent into this game is no longer worth what you bought it at so why should we exactly refund you the same? Also from an economist point of view the value of aurum has gone up if it were a transferrable thing because the amount of aurum offerings has significantly decreased thus ergo lower supply and the demand of consumption is constant as all goods aurum can be spent on is perishable.
..... what would you pay more for:
a bottle of booze that is always full no matter how much you drink, or a pint?
if pints wound up costing as much I'd say that would be inflation.
inflation decrease the worth of a revenue not increases it.
i'd rather have a dollar in 1918 than a dollar in 2013.
the aur from when bpo's were on the market was worth more, you got more for your aur.
now you get les so the aur is worth less....
you already admitted you don't care about this issue, and you obviously only care about what affects you not the community... so why do you continue to post?
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10593
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Posted - 2013.11.24 04:19:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:
the aur they are refunding is not worth the aur I bought...because the market no longer has the same caliber of product.
Counter arguably the money you spent into this game is no longer worth what you bought it at so why should we exactly refund you the same? Also from an economist point of view the value of aurum has gone up if it were a transferrable thing because the amount of aurum offerings has significantly decreased thus ergo lower supply and the demand of consumption is constant as all goods aurum can be spent on is perishable. ..... what would you pay more for: The Aur from when bpo's were on the market was worth more, you got more for your aur. a bottle of booze that is always full no matter how much you drink, or a pint? if pints wound up costing as much I'd say that would be inflation. inflation decrease the worth of a revenue not increases it. i'd rather have a dollar in 1918 than a dollar in 2013. now you get les so the aur is worth less.... you already admitted you don't care about this issue, and you obviously only care about what affects you not the community... so why do you continue to post?
Aged Booze is a thing you know?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/271201930385?lpid=82
And no AUR is worth more than it used to be with the removal of the merc pack.
What happened back then before is equivalent to the creation of a dime to compliment the dollar for things less than a dollar.
Suddenly 1, is no longer the smallest unit but 1/10 of that unit is and both are now measured the same.
Because that package was remove the unintentional injection of AUR has significantly dropped over the time being while the overall supply continues to decrease as they are used to buy consumables (which you cannot refute people do indeed buy consumables modules and gear) as well as the active and passive boosters.
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
93
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Posted - 2013.11.24 04:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:
the aur they are refunding is not worth the aur I bought...because the market no longer has the same caliber of product.
Counter arguably the money you spent into this game is no longer worth what you bought it at so why should we exactly refund you the same? Also from an economist point of view the value of aurum has gone up if it were a transferrable thing because the amount of aurum offerings has significantly decreased thus ergo lower supply and the demand of consumption is constant as all goods aurum can be spent on is perishable. ..... what would you pay more for: The Aur from when bpo's were on the market was worth more, you got more for your aur. a bottle of booze that is always full no matter how much you drink, or a pint? if pints wound up costing as much I'd say that would be inflation. inflation decrease the worth of a revenue not increases it. i'd rather have a dollar in 1918 than a dollar in 2013. now you get les so the aur is worth less.... you already admitted you don't care about this issue, and you obviously only care about what affects you not the community... so why do you continue to post? Aged Booze is a thing you know? http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/271201930385?lpid=82And no AUR is worth more than it used to be with the removal of the merc pack. What happened back then before is equivalent to the creation of a dime to compliment the dollar for things less than a dollar. Suddenly 1, is no longer the smallest unit but 1/10 of that unit is and both are now measured the same. Because that package was remove the unintentional injection of AUR has significantly dropped over the time being while the overall supply continues to decrease as they are used to buy consumables (which you cannot refute people do indeed buy consumables modules and gear) as well as the active and passive boosters.
your talking in circles with no content.... the items you can buy with aur are now worth less (consumables compared to permanents) so aur is worth less....
you still didn't answer me, why keep posting if you don't care?
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10594
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Posted - 2013.11.24 04:39:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:
your talking in circles with no content.... the items you can buy with aur are now worth less (consumables compared to permanents) so aur is worth less....
you still didn't answer me, why keep posting if you don't care?
As pointed out by others with your poor debate skills you are being a bit of a hypocrite here.
AUR being returned is far more than what was being spent into those BPOs whose value is nearing 0 in 1.7 due to the fact that 3 will be nonfunctional and 1 cannot be reasonably fitted anymore for any known advantage similar to the now useless Yellow Pills.
It's like trying to sell an iPhone 1 at the same very value on its first day debut. Neither the money NOR the product are as good as they where back then.
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2987
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Posted - 2013.11.24 04:46:00 -
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It's time like this that I don't want to live on this planet with these idiots anymore. |
pyramidhead 420
Carbon 7
CRONOS.
156
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Posted - 2013.11.24 04:51:00 -
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this kid just doesn't get it. |
xLuca Brasi
DUST University
Ivy League
95
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Posted - 2013.11.24 07:25:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:
your talking in circles with no content.... the items you can buy with aur are now worth less (consumables compared to permanents) so aur is worth less....
you still didn't answer me, why keep posting if you don't care?
As pointed out by others with your poor debate skills you are being a bit of a hypocrite here. AUR being returned is far more than what was being spent into those BPOs whose value is nearing 0 in 1.7 due to the fact that 3 will be nonfunctional and 1 cannot be reasonably fitted anymore for any known advantage similar to the now useless Yellow Pills. It's like trying to sell an iPhone 1 at the same very value on its first day debut. Neither the money NOR the product are as good as they where back then.
they are only useless because ccp chose to make them useless....
poor debate skills?
I've been arguing this point for days, constantly repeating myself to people who should have just read the previous threads... I'm sick of repeating myself.
but I will continue to as long as there is hope of ccp doing the right thing.
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10600
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Posted - 2013.11.24 07:35:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:
your talking in circles with no content.... the items you can buy with aur are now worth less (consumables compared to permanents) so aur is worth less....
you still didn't answer me, why keep posting if you don't care?
As pointed out by others with your poor debate skills you are being a bit of a hypocrite here. AUR being returned is far more than what was being spent into those BPOs whose value is nearing 0 in 1.7 due to the fact that 3 will be nonfunctional and 1 cannot be reasonably fitted anymore for any known advantage similar to the now useless Yellow Pills. It's like trying to sell an iPhone 1 at the same very value on its first day debut. Neither the money NOR the product are as good as they where back then. they are only useless because ccp chose to make them useless.... poor debate skills? I've been arguing this point for days, constantly repeating myself to people who should have just read the previous threads... I'm sick of repeating myself. but I will continue to as long as there is hope of ccp doing the right thing.
My dear friend its not endurance that matters in debates its how quickly you can get the other side to start calling you names.
A good debate continuously brings in new weapons into the fight.
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1519
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Posted - 2013.11.24 07:35:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote:The reason these 4 module BPOs were removed were because the modules themselves are being removed, as part of the larger vehicle rebalancing. If these BPOs stayed in your inventory, they would become useless, and serve no purpose other than being able to see it in your inventory. Instead they opted to remove the BPOs as well as the base items, and issue a refund.
Why the hell is this so hard for people to understand...
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