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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:55:00 -
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Dust needs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more work on the mechanics and balance before things like open worlds are discussed. Soon TM doesn't even apply here. |
Mr m4gic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:57:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:Dust needs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more work on the mechanics and balance before things like open worlds are discussed. Soon TM doesn't even apply here. being a dumbass whats "soon TM" |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1269
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:09:00 -
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Mr m4gic wrote:Dunk Mujunk wrote:Dust needs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more work on the mechanics and balance before things like open worlds are discussed. Soon TM doesn't even apply here. being a dumbass whats "soon TM" It means it will be coming a year and a half from now and shoved under the rug when someone asks about it.
Check out my corp's new website here :D
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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
268
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:09:00 -
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CCP in the past has said things are coming soon, but then it has either taken forever or those things still aren't in the game. It's become a running gag and basically Soon TM represents a loooooong looooong time. |
Mr m4gic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:11:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Mr m4gic wrote:Dunk Mujunk wrote:Dust needs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more work on the mechanics and balance before things like open worlds are discussed. Soon TM doesn't even apply here. being a dumbass whats "soon TM" It means it will be coming a year and a half from now and shoved under the rug when someone asks about it. LMAO ill remember tht 1 |
Mr m4gic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:23:00 -
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if you played the beta, it was loads better then it is now, so many things tht they changed have sucked, its like playing yoyo, goin back n fourth all the time wont be long before i cut the string. well atleast until things get better i have hi hopes for this game just tired of being a lab rat. . |
Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
268
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:28:00 -
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Lol, "hope", and "until things get better" is all Dust is running on. The clock is ticking for CCP, and if the past is any indication, 1.7 will somehow manage to **** this game up even worse. |
darkiller240
K-A-O-S theory
181
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:05:00 -
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Yes so then we can wipe out PS2 is better argument also dropships will much more usefull ^^
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
348
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:17:00 -
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I had some pretty cool ideas for an open world dust. I never finished the whole thing though (because I got this character banned shortly after starting this thread) but the basics are all there.
Would love to see an open world dust, but it would be pretty tough to do right.
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Tectonic Fusion
591
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:22:00 -
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My thread that had more thought put into it wasn't this popular... But at least it got a CPM reply
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
1133
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:24:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:My thread that had more thought put into it wasn't this popular... But at least it got a CPM reply Linky?
Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives
Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten
Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
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Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
33
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:27:00 -
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Mr m4gic wrote:you could get on a shuttle at a spaceport then fly to a space station, then jump in a transportation ship in eve to get to different star systems.
Shuttles carry people from system to system as well as station to station. There's no different one for each job. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
348
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:27:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:My thread that had more thought put into it wasn't this popular... But at least it got a CPM reply Linky?
Was a tongue in cheek at me I think.
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lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
217
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:29:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:Dust needs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more work on the mechanics and balance before things like open worlds are discussed. Soon TM doesn't even apply here.
Then they would never add content, it will always be mechanics and balance to work with, it is possible to do 2 things at the time.... |
Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
268
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:41:00 -
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lordjanuz wrote:Dunk Mujunk wrote:Dust needs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more work on the mechanics and balance before things like open worlds are discussed. Soon TM doesn't even apply here. Then they would never add content, it will always be mechanics and balance to work with, it is possible to do 2 things at the time....
It's not possible to create what would be basically a 2nd game when Dust is in shambles. Dust does not need an open world. It needs balance and it needs the mechanics straightened out. If an open world was introduced and everyone ran off and started mining, that obviously states the main game is broken.
People want open worlds and all that dumb ****, I want an FPS that works properly, not a bunch of idiots in heavy suits and ARs because of CCPs lack of ability to balance a game that has been "out of beta" for nearly a year. For CCP to even think about maybe talking about open world stuff within the next year would be idiotic, and a loss of focus. Dust is currently not working as intended, and being able to freely roam around 1000s of worlds with the same 4 generic maps to mine rock in a first person shooter is ******* stupid. Oh but we could have trains! **** a train, I have a Destroyer in orbit, I would want to transport myself with that.
Of course, if it was exploration I wanted, i'd hop on Eve, or another game. Unfortunately, right now if it's a functioning, balanced shooter I want, I am forced to find another game as well. |
CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation
489
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:43:00 -
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i think it would be to much trouble trying to fly a warbarge around eve from planet to planet.
not to mention the risk of crashing into a giant rock. or other ship. |
Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
268
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:46:00 -
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?? Who said anything about a Warbarge? I'm talking about my Eve side destroyer. And 95% of Eve is flying around from planet to planet, crashing into rocks is not an issue........ |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
348
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:54:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:My thread that had more thought put into it wasn't this popular... But at least it got a CPM reply Linky? Was a tongue in cheek at me I think.
And still nobody cares about my thread.
Lol.
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Mr m4gic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:24:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:Mr m4gic wrote:you could get on a shuttle at a spaceport then fly to a space station, then jump in a transportation ship in eve to get to different star systems. Shuttles carry people from system to system as well as station to station. There's no different one for each job.
lol i was thinking there would be groups of dust players travelling thru space together a shuttles cargo space is only 10 m3 so ur gonna need summin bigger remember some dust players don't play eve so they cant transport themselves but id assume they could fly shuttles as they have no weapons. transporting people across space would be a good way to make isk 2. |
Mr m4gic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:41:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:My thread that had more thought put into it wasn't this popular... But at least it got a CPM reply Linky? Was a tongue in cheek at me I think. And still nobody cares about my thread. Lol.
jesus man u wrote a freakin essay lol u covered half a page |
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lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
218
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:45:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:lordjanuz wrote:Dunk Mujunk wrote:Dust needs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more work on the mechanics and balance before things like open worlds are discussed. Soon TM doesn't even apply here. Then they would never add content, it will always be mechanics and balance to work with, it is possible to do 2 things at the time.... It's not possible to create what would be basically a 2nd game when Dust is in shambles. Dust does not need an open world. It needs balance and it needs the mechanics straightened out. If an open world was introduced and everyone ran off and started mining, that obviously states the main game is broken. People want open worlds and all that dumb ****, I want an FPS that works properly, not a bunch of idiots in heavy suits and ARs because of CCPs lack of ability to balance a game that has been "out of beta" for nearly a year. For CCP to even think about maybe talking about open world stuff within the next year would be idiotic, and a loss of focus. Dust is currently not working as intended, and being able to freely roam around 1000s of worlds with the same 4 generic maps to mine rock in a first person shooter is ******* stupid. Oh but we could have trains! **** a train, I have a Destroyer in orbit, I would want to transport myself with that. Of course, if it was exploration I wanted, i'd hop on Eve, or another game. Unfortunately, right now if it's a functioning, balanced shooter I want, I am forced to find another game as well.
I do not agree , I am here to play the Dust 514 that have been promised, not a Cod alike fps. Recomend you to watch the visions for Dust514 on fanfest 2013.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
348
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:57:00 -
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Mr m4gic wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:My thread that had more thought put into it wasn't this popular... But at least it got a CPM reply Linky? Was a tongue in cheek at me I think. And still nobody cares about my thread. Lol. jesus man u wrote a freakin essay lol u covered half a page
I would have finished it if I hadn't got banned. There was still a lot to go.
{edit>>> Now I don't think I care any more. Maybe I'll finish it one of these day. Have to start a new thread though.
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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
269
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:03:00 -
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I know all about "the visions". Look where we are now. After nearly a year, not only is the game un balanced, it has wildly swung in multiple directions of balance over the course of the year. Uplinks are able to be laid in the middle of solid structures, swarms don't render, lag is brutal in PC, grenades will disappear from your hand after you pull them out, ect ect ect.
Thats all basic stuff. I don't care how open the world is, if the core gameplay isn't right the game is not going to work. The only thing CoD like atm is the gunplay, due to TTK. What was suppose to set it apart from CoD was the idea of mods and building a dropsuit, plus the whole PC idea. An open world is not required to create a difference from CoD, and if people are concerned about booking virtual flights to explore generic terrain with nothing to do but mine rock and maybe shoot a A.I. drone here and there, I would say those people may have the wrong game.
In reality implimenting what has been requested in this post and in the linked post is a pipe dream. Some of the ideas sound nice, but none of it is realistic. Which is why a ton of stuff has currently not been implimented. Dreams and visions are nice, but reality checks rule all. We are suppose to have speeder bike things, heavy aircraft, fighter aircraft, APC's, mechs, defensive relays, more heavy weapons, more suits, the ability for a Corp to purchase MCCs and installations, ect ect. Some of this may come one day, but more than likely CCP bit off more than they could chew, and they are coming to that realization.
Think about what you are asking for. Thousands of planets, each with an individual identity, affected by 2 totally different kinds of games, one of which only averages between 400-700 players on at any one moment, and since what is being asked for doesn't currently exist in any way shape or form, Dust would have to be rebuilt from the ground up to make it a totally different kind of game. Add to that the fact that PS2s "open worldness" has been called a flop by many, and you have a strong argument to keep open world far far away from Dust.
Thats my opinion though, I want a competitive FPS with RPG elements, not an Adventure game. |
Mr m4gic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:12:00 -
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I would have finished it if I hadn't got banned. There was still a lot to go.
{edit>>> Now I don't think I care any more. Maybe I'll finish it one of these day. Have to start a new thread though.[/quote]
why was you banned |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
348
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:16:00 -
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I would have finished it if I hadn't got banned. There was still a lot to go.
{edit>>> Now I don't think I care any more. Maybe I'll finish it one of these day. Have to start a new thread though.[/quote]
why was you banned[/quote]
Cause I'm an ***hole.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_KDAicF0Yo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
219
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:19:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:I know all about "the visions". Look where we are now. After nearly a year, not only is the game un balanced, it has wildly swung in multiple directions of balance over the course of the year. Uplinks are able to be laid in the middle of solid structures, swarms don't render, lag is brutal in PC, grenades will disappear from your hand after you pull them out, ect ect ect.
Thats all basic stuff. I don't care how open the world is, if the core gameplay isn't right the game is not going to work. The only thing CoD like atm is the gunplay, due to TTK. What was suppose to set it apart from CoD was the idea of mods and building a dropsuit, plus the whole PC idea. An open world is not required to create a difference from CoD, and if people are concerned about booking virtual flights to explore generic terrain with nothing to do but mine rock and maybe shoot a A.I. drone here and there, I would say those people may have the wrong game.
In reality implimenting what has been requested in this post and in the linked post is a pipe dream. Some of the ideas sound nice, but none of it is realistic. Which is why a ton of stuff has currently not been implimented. Dreams and visions are nice, but reality checks rule all. We are suppose to have speeder bike things, heavy aircraft, fighter aircraft, APC's, mechs, defensive relays, more heavy weapons, more suits, the ability for a Corp to purchase MCCs and installations, ect ect. Some of this may come one day, but more than likely CCP bit off more than they could chew, and they are coming to that realization.
Think about what you are asking for. Thousands of planets, each with an individual identity, affected by 2 totally different kinds of games, one of which only averages between 400-700 players on at any one moment, and since what is being asked for doesn't currently exist in any way shape or form, Dust would have to be rebuilt from the ground up to make it a totally different kind of game. Add to that the fact that PS2s "open worldness" has been called a flop by many, and you have a strong argument to keep open world far far away from Dust.
Thats my opinion though, I want a competitive FPS with RPG elements, not an Adventure game.
Dont agree, visions are good. And the visions for this game is the only reason I play the game. Loose the visions and the game is dead.
CCP should hold on to the vision, players will have something diffrent . |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
1133
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:19:00 -
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Notice how the only people who ever bring up "mining" are the ones against open world or those who make threads that don't really get noticed?
Theie primary argument against open world is something that apparently only they want.
LOL
Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives
Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten
Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
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Mr m4gic
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:26:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Notice how the only people who ever bring up "mining" are the ones against open world or those who make threads that don't really get noticed? Theie primary argument against open world is something that apparently only they want. LOL
its not just about mining its about running missions exploring worlds fighting pve finding cool stuff scanning down enviroments setting up ambushes i think u fail to see the bigger picture |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
881
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:28:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Maybe one day they'll be able to link the 3 games so you start out as a DUST merc, work your way into space as an EVE Valkyrie fighter, and work your way up the chain of command to become a pilot of a starship in EVE Online. I doubt CCP would be ambitious enough to make that all in 1 game. Why would you want it all in one game? They are all going after different gameplay styles and target audiences. I mean, lots of people I know who play EVE hate playing FPS games, and some of the people I am getting into DUST could never enjoy a game at EVE's pace. They work well as they are planned, separate games that have lots of interaction planned between them. Forcing a player to go through one play style to get to another is not how you get players, nor are you going to be able to obtain players if you literally tell them that one playstyle is a lesser teir than another.
Think of it like Mass Effect, you travel around the universe in a ship gathering resources, when you reach your destination you get out in your land rover or transport ship, travel a certain distance, and get out on foot. Matter of speaking, I would love a Mass Effect version based on New Eden's lore although the lack of alien would be disspointing but the different cultures of the races would be a pleasant experience. I'm sure EVE pilots would love to explore the planets they orbit in a more intimate level.
Of course I said 1 game as in that 1 game will be optimized to suit this style of open world exploration and not the limited potential of any one specific game. If you like EVE and only EVE, then sure, but this 1 game will appeal to a different audience so I dont see the problem. It'll be a problem if CCP merged DUST and EVE and made it manditory to play FPS to enjoy EVE. Currently CCP is hoping that DUST players will play EVE Online and EVE online players would play DUST and expect a strong meaningful connection between the two but all I'm seeing is someone jumping back and forth between 2 completely different games. Its better if CCP created a completely different game where all those elements can seamlessly go together. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
350
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:29:00 -
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Mr m4gic wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Notice how the only people who ever bring up "mining" are the ones against open world or those who make threads that don't really get noticed? Theie primary argument against open world is something that apparently only they want. LOL its not just about mining its about running missions exploring worlds fighting pve finding cool stuff scanning down enviroments setting up ambushes i think u fail to see the bigger picture
Yup, and eventually some game company will accomplish something really cool (whether it is CCP or not) and they will get all my money.
{edit>>> plus I think that the reason my thread didn't really get noticed has more to do with a literacy/desire to read something long problem than being a bad idea.
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