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Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:55:00 -
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Dust needs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more work on the mechanics and balance before things like open worlds are discussed. Soon TM doesn't even apply here. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:09:00 -
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CCP in the past has said things are coming soon, but then it has either taken forever or those things still aren't in the game. It's become a running gag and basically Soon TM represents a loooooong looooong time. |
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:28:00 -
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Lol, "hope", and "until things get better" is all Dust is running on. The clock is ticking for CCP, and if the past is any indication, 1.7 will somehow manage to **** this game up even worse. |
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:41:00 -
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lordjanuz wrote:Dunk Mujunk wrote:Dust needs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more work on the mechanics and balance before things like open worlds are discussed. Soon TM doesn't even apply here. Then they would never add content, it will always be mechanics and balance to work with, it is possible to do 2 things at the time....
It's not possible to create what would be basically a 2nd game when Dust is in shambles. Dust does not need an open world. It needs balance and it needs the mechanics straightened out. If an open world was introduced and everyone ran off and started mining, that obviously states the main game is broken.
People want open worlds and all that dumb ****, I want an FPS that works properly, not a bunch of idiots in heavy suits and ARs because of CCPs lack of ability to balance a game that has been "out of beta" for nearly a year. For CCP to even think about maybe talking about open world stuff within the next year would be idiotic, and a loss of focus. Dust is currently not working as intended, and being able to freely roam around 1000s of worlds with the same 4 generic maps to mine rock in a first person shooter is ******* stupid. Oh but we could have trains! **** a train, I have a Destroyer in orbit, I would want to transport myself with that.
Of course, if it was exploration I wanted, i'd hop on Eve, or another game. Unfortunately, right now if it's a functioning, balanced shooter I want, I am forced to find another game as well. |
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:46:00 -
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?? Who said anything about a Warbarge? I'm talking about my Eve side destroyer. And 95% of Eve is flying around from planet to planet, crashing into rocks is not an issue........ |
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:03:00 -
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I know all about "the visions". Look where we are now. After nearly a year, not only is the game un balanced, it has wildly swung in multiple directions of balance over the course of the year. Uplinks are able to be laid in the middle of solid structures, swarms don't render, lag is brutal in PC, grenades will disappear from your hand after you pull them out, ect ect ect.
Thats all basic stuff. I don't care how open the world is, if the core gameplay isn't right the game is not going to work. The only thing CoD like atm is the gunplay, due to TTK. What was suppose to set it apart from CoD was the idea of mods and building a dropsuit, plus the whole PC idea. An open world is not required to create a difference from CoD, and if people are concerned about booking virtual flights to explore generic terrain with nothing to do but mine rock and maybe shoot a A.I. drone here and there, I would say those people may have the wrong game.
In reality implimenting what has been requested in this post and in the linked post is a pipe dream. Some of the ideas sound nice, but none of it is realistic. Which is why a ton of stuff has currently not been implimented. Dreams and visions are nice, but reality checks rule all. We are suppose to have speeder bike things, heavy aircraft, fighter aircraft, APC's, mechs, defensive relays, more heavy weapons, more suits, the ability for a Corp to purchase MCCs and installations, ect ect. Some of this may come one day, but more than likely CCP bit off more than they could chew, and they are coming to that realization.
Think about what you are asking for. Thousands of planets, each with an individual identity, affected by 2 totally different kinds of games, one of which only averages between 400-700 players on at any one moment, and since what is being asked for doesn't currently exist in any way shape or form, Dust would have to be rebuilt from the ground up to make it a totally different kind of game. Add to that the fact that PS2s "open worldness" has been called a flop by many, and you have a strong argument to keep open world far far away from Dust.
Thats my opinion though, I want a competitive FPS with RPG elements, not an Adventure game. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:35:00 -
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Never said vision were a bad thing.
But when you say **** it, lets work on an open world when the mechanics and balance are all jacked up, thats a problem. Why have an open world when the core gameplay is broke? You think broken gameplay will be more fun with vasts amounts of empty space?
If you want an open world and mining, but you don't care if the shooting mechanics work, you are playing the wrong game.
And Alaika, not quite sure who you are refering to. I didn't bring up mining, it was brought up before my post. I am against open world at the moment (atm is the key part of the statement). The people who brought up mining before my post are for open world, therefore your post is invalid. Ever notice how people who post without reading threads are ignored?
LOL
Look, the idea of a totally open world sounds awesome, i'm not saying it doesn't, it's a question of what is realistic. At this point, with the current engine on the current system, what is being asked for is not possible, besides the fact that CCP would require many more people than it currently has focused on the games development. The rough plan for Dust was it would take a couple years to really come together, just as it was in Eve. If all the ducks were currently in a row, yea, go for an open world. But the ducks are currently scattered, and some have even been run over in the street. The focus needs to be on keeping Dust alive right now, and you don't keep a FPS of any kind alive by working on the features mentioned in this thread.
I know almost nothing about it, but those looking for what this thread advertises may want to look into Star Citizen. |
Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:47:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:It'll be a problem if CCP merged DUST and EVE and made it manditory to play FPS to enjoy EVE. Currently CCP is hoping that DUST players will play EVE Online and EVE online players would play DUST and expect a strong
Eve will always control the universe we are in, as it should be. Eve has been around for 10 years, and it's player base has to pay to be able to play. The complexity of the Corporations in Eve goes far beyond any Dust Corp. Which brings up another issue with Dust industry. Currently, pretty much anything used in Eve is created by players of Eve, putting economic control in their hands. I highly doubt we in Dust will ever be making anything of significance equipment wise to Eve players, but to merge the economies of both games together in a meaningful way, someone will have to be making stuff for the other game. Seeing as how Eve is already fully setup for an industrial style of play, I would imagine they will be the ones making stuff for us, not the other way around. Especially since Eve people would justifiably freak out if the character they have been paying for and working on for so and so many years suddenly becomes dependent on players from a free to play game that was taken "out of beta" less than a year ago.
Again, alot of the stuff in this thread sounds fine and good, but to impliment it technically speaking, and to do it in a way so as not to **** off the people who have been paying to play Eve is currently way out of the realm of possibility. People can say "yea, but" and "well what if" all they want. Go ahead and hold your breath for the open world stuff. Don't worry, i'll wait.
Not trying to be a d*ck, just being realistic.
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Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.22 23:15:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Like I said before. My hopes are not solely dependent on CCP. If CCP doesn't then someone else will
Probably true. If you are looking for a Sci Fi MMORPG type game, then yeah, Star Citizen is probably something you may want to check out (I would, but my PC isn't strong enough :...-( )
But if you are looking for the type of game envisioned by CCP, thats a long ways off. CCP has a leg up on everyone being as how Eve exists already and is basically complete, and Dust (for all its short comings) is also already created.
Someone could pull it off one day, but I strongly doubt anyone other than CCP has a chance to do what CCP is trying to do within the next 5 years.
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Dunk Mujunk
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Posted - 2013.11.22 23:17:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:I had a dream" and that dream was a nice tank. We'll see what happens.
And right here, in a nutshell, is why anything open worldish needs to be put on the back burner. A basic unit in an FPS game is not working properly.
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