DUST Search - 1.7 respec

Spkr4theDead wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Bendtner92 wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

I just want to avoid the free candy addiction syndrome for the time being. Maybe when all the suits come out a free respec then. Id be pretty upset if we have a respec a month.

It's either that or the refunded SP can only be spent in the same role as it came from.

Otherwise CCP is playing favorites and giving certain players an advantage by letting them skill out of their chosen role etc (as listed in the OP).

CCP have known for months that a vehicle respec would be unavoidable, so if they didn't want to do a full respec they should've worked out a way to only allow the refunded SP to be spent in the same role. Since they didn't, a full respec is the only option.

Spent in the same role but doesnt go as anywhere as far as in 1.6

Frankly CCP knew they were making the SP sink bigger by a factor of 3, players did not know unless you wanted to hold onto your SP for the next year and half

I skilled into a secondary role in infantry to help out for PC but since the SP sink for vehicles has been increased by a factor of 3 it means i need all my SP out of infantry

Likewise if someone wants to go all vehicles they need every SP they have

A full respec is the logical choice and outweighs all negatives and can only give positives

When will another total rebalance of any part of the skill tree happen again? frankly it wont and the vehicle tree changes are the biggest to hit and the last to be changed in a long time, all infantry and infantry weapons/mods were balanced long ago with only small changes now n again but this is a 1st for vehicles

You can't present a logical argument to someone that probably wants to say that we should lose the SP for skills they're removing from the skill tree. You know full well infantry has an unfounded, almost cult-like hatred for vehicles.

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Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1298	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:12:00 - [1] - Quote If the CPM hasn't and still are letting CCP know that the respec coming in 1.7 is completely unfair and has several problems, I urge you to tell CCP and try to get the respec changed. I summed it up in a small post here, but people have also added other problems later in that thread, so I'll just go through all the problems I can think of here as well. For starters it's completely and utter bs that CCP is giving people (vehicle pilots) the option to skill out of vehicles, but people (infantry) can't skill into them. There's several problems with this. 1. CCP is giving a certain amount of the playerbase (vehicle pilots) the freedom to do what they want with their SP, while the rest of the playerbase have to live with their choices, even though the game will be radically changed in 1.7. This gives an unfair advantage to vehicle pilots, and it's something CCP should NOT be doing. 2. As the vehicle pilots won't be forced to put the refunded SP back into vehicles, but can use it where ever they want, CCP is doing an exception to certain players in regards to the often used "choices have consequences" phrase. They give vehicle pilots the option to skill out of their chosen role, which means their choices won't have consequences, while the rest of the playerbase are forced to stick with their choices. Again, this is completely unfair. 3. I personally don't really think this is a huge problem, but it was mentioned in the thread linked above. As vehicle pilots get a respec they can then also skill into the FOTM, while the rest of the playerbase can't. Again, this is an unfair advantage to vehicle pilots. Another reason as to why a vehicle only respec is utter bs is that vehicles aren't the only thing being radically changed in 1.7. AV, and especially the Swarm Launcher is being changed so much (nerfed to the ground in my opinion) that it's completely unfair to use the "choices have consequences" phrase. As it looks like a tank will be the best AV option in 1.7 (maybe the Forge Gun as well), the dedicated AV (Swarm Launcher especially) users would likely have skilled into tanks instead. Without a respec they can't, and in this situation it's very unfair to just tell them that their choices have consequences, more so when the vehicle pilots' choices won't have consequences. In the thread linked above I also saw some vehicle pilots saying they would like their infantry SP refunded as well, so they instead could put it into vehicles. With only a refund of the SP used in the vehicle tree they can't do this. Because of these issues I urge the CPM to tell CCP to change the respec coming in 1.7. A couple of ideas as to how it can be handled instead: 1. CCP can allow the refunded vehicle SP to only be put back into vehicles. This would mean that the vehicle pilots' choices will have consequences, and it won't give them an unfair advantage over infantry. Personally I don't like this option very much as it still leaves the dedicated AV users in a bad situation and I'm not even sure it's possible to do this. 2. CCP can give everyone a full respec. This would solve all the issues I listed above, and in my opinion this is the most fair respec to happen. The game will be radically changed in 1.7 and I think it's only fair to give everyone a respec, as it's hard to tell people that their choices have conseqeunces, when these choices were made with a totally different knowledge. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Top Men. 209	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:08:00 - [2] - Quote I can't imagine a way CCP could easily make vehicle SP remain in vehicles. If they can, fine. Problem mostly solved other than AV users being stuck. A full respec is undesirable because it's just more sliding down the never ending slope of respec every time they rehaul something. Then again if this game wasn't changing significantly every other month, we wouldn't be in this situation. Another case of HTFU?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1729	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:12:00 - [3] - Quote I back you but dont expect anything
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1300	Posted - 2013.11.21 20:14:00 - [4] - Quote Are they overhauling everything about infantry? No. Are they adding SP sinks to infantry? No. The reason infantry complains about respects is to take their SP out of the current flavor of the month to skill into the next one. Caldari logi nerfed? Respec. Flaylock nerfed? Respec. Tac rifles nerfed? Respec. As I've said, they're changing literally everything about vehicles. A respec is only right in this case. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1306	Posted - 2013.11.21 20:16:00 - [5] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Are they overhauling everything about infantry? No. Are they adding SP sinks to infantry? No. The reason infantry complains about respects is to take their SP out of the current flavor of the month to skill into the next one. Caldari logi nerfed? Respec. Flaylock nerfed? Respec. Tac rifles nerfed? Respec. As I've said, they're changing literally everything about vehicles. A respec is only right in this case. Read my post again as you litterally failed to counter any of my points. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Dante Kretschmer D3LTA ACADEMY 90	Posted - 2013.11.21 20:26:00 - [6] - Quote I fail to see the point of the OP, completely. People have SP, they decided to spend it on Vehicles instead of infantry, some used it more wisely than others, so what? Let them put the SP wherever they want to. I, and I guess you too, chose infantry. We had an advantage over them in that field. Let them do what they want now. It's not comparable to flaylock nerfs, vehicles have been redone completely, so a respec is in order. And I can imagine that the vast majority of users playing vehicles will stick to their revamped role They earned their SP and invested it into what they wanted, what they wanted is not close to what is going to be now, so they get the right to respec that portion of their SP. The motto you argue with is great, but common sense first. At any rate the Council's forum is not for this kind of threads: "TL,DR: The Council's Chamber is for discussing the Council itself, not for raising all the concerns you want to discuss with the council about the game. If you have a thread you want a response in, the best way to do this is to send us an email, tweet, or Skype message with a link to the thread you want a comment on. "
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 2136	Posted - 2013.11.21 20:35:00 - [7] - Quote You actually posted this while we were in a meeting, and the topic of respecs came up around the tail end of it. Most of the CPM agrees with you completely that they should do a full rspec, and I took the opportunity to plug this thread. We cited that while we dont know if CCP intends to enable respecs in the future as a feature, but we know they are considering it. If they are, then they should abaolutely offer a full respec this time, as the feature is not ready yet. Once players can do it on their own.... the fear of "we want a respec everytime something is nerfed/buffed" is no longer applicable. Using my phone ti post this, so i'll add more when i have a real keyboard in front of me
Haerr Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 102	Posted - 2013.11.21 23:27:00 - [8] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: snip You are right. +1 Nova Knife wrote: snip Thank you guys for pushing this. Bitter, butthurt and trying to HTFU.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1302	Posted - 2013.11.22 05:41:00 - [9] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Are they overhauling everything about infantry? No. Are they adding SP sinks to infantry? No. The reason infantry complains about respects is to take their SP out of the current flavor of the month to skill into the next one. Caldari logi nerfed? Respec. Flaylock nerfed? Respec. Tac rifles nerfed? Respec. As I've said, they're changing literally everything about vehicles. A respec is only right in this case. Read my post again as you litterally failed to counter any of my points. I didn't bother reading your post. What now? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Z3R0 GR4VITY The Rainbow Effect 311	Posted - 2013.11.22 05:51:00 - [10] - Quote I personally believe a full respec is a bad idea. I can understand partial respecs when things get changed so much that it becomes necessary. I'd still keep it a partial respec, but maybe include AV weaponry alongside vehicles. "Oh yeah, well where did you buy your clothes, the toilet store?"

Floyd20 Azizora L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 1	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:53:00 - [11] - Quote i would suggest that a full respec should be saved for when we get the racial heavy and light suits. otherwise people will just want they points back again for them when they come out (seems likely for 1.8 or 1.9).
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 143	Posted - 2013.11.22 14:44:00 - [12] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: You actually posted this while we were in a meeting, and the topic of respecs came up around the tail end of it. Most of the CPM agrees with you completely that they should do a full rspec, and I took the opportunity to plug this thread. We cited that while we dont know if CCP intends to enable respecs in the future as a feature, but we know they are considering it. If they are, then they should abaolutely offer a full respec this time, as the feature is not ready yet. Once players can do it on their own.... the fear of "we want a respec everytime something is nerfed/buffed" is no longer applicable. Using my phone ti post this, so i'll add more when i have a real keyboard in front of me Pretty much spot on. I think once they have a respec mechanic , either a 3 per year (similar to the EVE skill respect) or by Aurum then all these "I want respec" threads will die. Of course, having a half-finished game doesn't help, I imagine we'll see this again when they deliver us extra vehicles, the remaining light and heavy dropsuits plus the remaining weapons, and then some....
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1749	Posted - 2013.11.22 14:49:00 - [13] - Quote Z3R0 GR4VITY wrote: I personally believe a full respec is a bad idea. I can understand partial respecs when things get changed so much that it becomes necessary. I'd still keep it a partial respec, but maybe include AV weaponry alongside vehicles. What about the heavy suit The FG is classed to most as AV anyways but it requires the fatsuit and if you dont want the FG now then you may not want the fatsuit I mean with this respec i can go full infantry and **** and totally ignore vehicles, AV cant do that and they dont get the choice Also at around 20mil SP i had everything i wanted in vehicles, i saved 8mil SP for the pilot suits which never arrived and so i spent the SP on infantry so i could forfil another role on the field but the problem is i couldnt have just saved that SP to wait for anymore vehicle changes because they kept getting pushed further and further back Now the SP sink for vehicles has increased by a factor of 3, the 18mil or so i have now in the vehicle tree will not stretch that far in 1.7 I do need every availble SP i have to get back to where i am now in 1.7, that isnt including the racial vehicles and turrets and pilot suits which are yet to arrive
Haerr Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 103	Posted - 2013.11.23 12:20:00 - [14] - Quote Can we have an update about the plans for a full respec on 1.7?
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1314	Posted - 2013.11.23 14:06:00 - [15] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: You actually posted this while we were in a meeting, and the topic of respecs came up around the tail end of it. Most of the CPM agrees with you completely that they should do a full rspec, and I took the opportunity to plug this thread. We cited that while we dont know if CCP intends to enable respecs in the future as a feature, but we know they are considering it. If they are, then they should abaolutely offer a full respec this time, as the feature is not ready yet. Once players can do it on their own.... the fear of "we want a respec everytime something is nerfed/buffed" is no longer applicable. Using my phone ti post this, so i'll add more when i have a real keyboard in front of me Thank you for pushing this as there are serious flaws with the planned vehicle only respec. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 328	Posted - 2013.11.23 18:58:00 - [16] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: You actually posted this while we were in a meeting, and the topic of respecs came up around the tail end of it. Most of the CPM agrees with you completely that they should do a full rspec, and I took the opportunity to plug this thread. We cited that while we dont know if CCP intends to enable respecs in the future as a feature, but we know they are considering it. If they are, then they should abaolutely offer a full respec this time, as the feature is not ready yet. Once players can do it on their own.... the fear of "we want a respec everytime something is nerfed/buffed" is no longer applicable. Using my phone ti post this, so i'll add more when i have a real keyboard in front of me Guys...I understand the calls for respecs and good points are benign made on both camps (I'm somewhat ambivalent about it personally). Let me offer this...you should be ok with waiting a couple months because there is a high probability that some additional racial suits and dropsuit roles will be coming out. A respec now is not going to get that helpful...and certainly you can't expect them to drop another full respec in a couple months. This is purely to refresh those that are directly effected by the massive changes in the vehicle system. I actually think that there will be an infantry centric respec around 1.8 or 1.9 based on the projected content adds....why not wait it out?
Patrick57 Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 1687	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:48:00 - [17] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Nova Knife wrote: You actually posted this while we were in a meeting, and the topic of respecs came up around the tail end of it. Most of the CPM agrees with you completely that they should do a full rspec, and I took the opportunity to plug this thread. We cited that while we dont know if CCP intends to enable respecs in the future as a feature, but we know they are considering it. If they are, then they should abaolutely offer a full respec this time, as the feature is not ready yet. Once players can do it on their own.... the fear of "we want a respec everytime something is nerfed/buffed" is no longer applicable. Using my phone ti post this, so i'll add more when i have a real keyboard in front of me Guys...I understand the calls for respecs and good points are benign made on both camps (I'm somewhat ambivalent about it personally). Let me offer this...you should be ok with waiting a couple months because there is a high probability that some additional racial suits and dropsuit roles will be coming out. A respec now is not going to get that helpful...and certainly you can't expect them to drop another full respec in a couple months. This is purely to refresh those that are directly effected by the massive changes in the vehicle system. I actually think that there will be an infantry centric respec around 1.8 or 1.9 based on the projected content adds....why not wait it out? Because not just the vehicles are changing, but AV is going to be completely nerfed into oblivion. How about those people that put every Skill Point they have into destroying tanks? Well, tanks are the new AV (in the case that Forge Guns are not equally effective). Content drops are different from content changes, no? When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2229	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:31:00 - [18] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: You actually posted this while we were in a meeting, and the topic of respecs came up around the tail end of it. Most of the CPM agrees with you completely that they should do a full rspec, and I took the opportunity to plug this thread. We cited that while we dont know if CCP intends to enable respecs in the future as a feature, but we know they are considering it. If they are, then they should abaolutely offer a full respec this time, as the feature is not ready yet. Once players can do it on their own.... the fear of "we want a respec everytime something is nerfed/buffed" is no longer applicable. Using my phone ti post this, so i'll add more when i have a real keyboard in front of me This is why I love Nova Knife. He is short, sweet and to the point, no need for any poetic, ring around the daisy, BS. Thank you, Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10610	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:08:00 - [19] - Quote I just want to avoid the free candy addiction syndrome for the time being. Maybe when all the suits come out a free respec then. Id be pretty upset if we have a respec a month. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Haerr 104	Posted - 2013.11.24 14:38:00 - [20] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I just want to avoid the free candy addiction syndrome for the time being. Maybe when all the suits come out a free respec then. Id be pretty upset if we have a respec a month. I'd be pretty upset if I had to eat pancakes every day. Since when was a respec every month an option or even discussed?

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1318	Posted - 2013.11.24 15:04:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I just want to avoid the free candy addiction syndrome for the time being. Maybe when all the suits come out a free respec then. Id be pretty upset if we have a respec a month. It's either that or the refunded SP can only be spent in the same role as it came from. Otherwise CCP is playing favorites and giving certain players an advantage by letting them skill out of their chosen role etc (as listed in the OP). CCP have known for months that a vehicle respec would be unavoidable, so if they didn't want to do a full respec they should've worked out a way to only allow the refunded SP to be spent in the same role. Since they didn't, a full respec is the only option. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1773	Posted - 2013.11.24 15:37:00 - [22] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I just want to avoid the free candy addiction syndrome for the time being. Maybe when all the suits come out a free respec then. Id be pretty upset if we have a respec a month. It's either that or the refunded SP can only be spent in the same role as it came from. Otherwise CCP is playing favorites and giving certain players an advantage by letting them skill out of their chosen role etc (as listed in the OP). CCP have known for months that a vehicle respec would be unavoidable, so if they didn't want to do a full respec they should've worked out a way to only allow the refunded SP to be spent in the same role. Since they didn't, a full respec is the only option. Spent in the same role but doesnt go as anywhere as far as in 1.6 Frankly CCP knew they were making the SP sink bigger by a factor of 3, players did not know unless you wanted to hold onto your SP for the next year and half I skilled into a secondary role in infantry to help out for PC but since the SP sink for vehicles has been increased by a factor of 3 it means i need all my SP out of infantry Likewise if someone wants to go all vehicles they need every SP they have A full respec is the logical choice and outweighs all negatives and can only give positives When will another total rebalance of any part of the skill tree happen again? frankly it wont and the vehicle tree changes are the biggest to hit and the last to be changed in a long time, all infantry and infantry weapons/mods were balanced long ago with only small changes now n again but this is a 1st for vehicles
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:20:00 - [23] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Are they overhauling everything about infantry? No. Are they adding SP sinks to infantry? No. The reason infantry complains about respects is to take their SP out of the current flavor of the month to skill into the next one. Caldari logi nerfed? Respec. Flaylock nerfed? Respec. Tac rifles nerfed? Respec. As I've said, they're changing literally everything about vehicles. A respec is only right in this case. Read my post again as you litterally failed to counter any of my points. You don't have any good points anyway. "It's unfair that pilots can skill out of vehicles." Are they changing everything about infantry? Are they expanding the SP necessary to max out everything for vehicles by a factor of 3? Are they reducing the amount of infantry fits you'll be able to work out? Are they removing weapon variants? Are they removing dropsuit modules? I don't know how many times I have to say this. Everything about vehicles is being changed. These aren't any changes we've asked for. This is the culmination of nerfs infantry has been crying for through various builds. In a brilliant twist, AV is getting nerfed too, for the very first time. This isn't some flavor of the month issue. One team can't deploy 16 tanks. This isn't something we did by accident while drunk or high. This is a complete overhaul being done by CCP, and if us pilots don't like the changes, why should we be stuck with the consequences of CCP's actions? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:27:00 - [24] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I just want to avoid the free candy addiction syndrome for the time being. Maybe when all the suits come out a free respec then. Id be pretty upset if we have a respec a month. It's either that or the refunded SP can only be spent in the same role as it came from. Otherwise CCP is playing favorites and giving certain players an advantage by letting them skill out of their chosen role etc (as listed in the OP). CCP have known for months that a vehicle respec would be unavoidable, so if they didn't want to do a full respec they should've worked out a way to only allow the refunded SP to be spent in the same role. Since they didn't, a full respec is the only option. Spent in the same role but doesnt go as anywhere as far as in 1.6 Frankly CCP knew they were making the SP sink bigger by a factor of 3, players did not know unless you wanted to hold onto your SP for the next year and half I skilled into a secondary role in infantry to help out for PC but since the SP sink for vehicles has been increased by a factor of 3 it means i need all my SP out of infantry Likewise if someone wants to go all vehicles they need every SP they have A full respec is the logical choice and outweighs all negatives and can only give positives When will another total rebalance of any part of the skill tree happen again? frankly it wont and the vehicle tree changes are the biggest to hit and the last to be changed in a long time, all infantry and infantry weapons/mods were balanced long ago with only small changes now n again but this is a 1st for vehicles You can't present a logical argument to someone that probably wants to say that we should lose the SP for skills they're removing from the skill tree. You know full well infantry has an unfounded, almost cult-like hatred for vehicles. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
pa ck G.L.O.R.Y 1	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:10:00 - [25] - Quote CCP should at least respec us this time. Not just the people spec into vehicle because i might want to spec into vehicles myself but all my sp is in my dropsuits . So please CCP respec us all. Texas
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 111	Posted - 2013.11.25 08:14:00 - [26] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Pretty much spot on. I think once they have a respec mechanic , either a 3 per year (similar to the EVE skill respect) or by Aurum then all these "I want respec" threads will die. Just to clarify - EVE doesn't have a respec mechanic. You only can remap your characters primary attributes, not skills.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1777	Posted - 2013.11.25 12:27:00 - [27] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I just want to avoid the free candy addiction syndrome for the time being. Maybe when all the suits come out a free respec then. Id be pretty upset if we have a respec a month. It's either that or the refunded SP can only be spent in the same role as it came from. Otherwise CCP is playing favorites and giving certain players an advantage by letting them skill out of their chosen role etc (as listed in the OP). CCP have known for months that a vehicle respec would be unavoidable, so if they didn't want to do a full respec they should've worked out a way to only allow the refunded SP to be spent in the same role. Since they didn't, a full respec is the only option. Spent in the same role but doesnt go as anywhere as far as in 1.6 Frankly CCP knew they were making the SP sink bigger by a factor of 3, players did not know unless you wanted to hold onto your SP for the next year and half I skilled into a secondary role in infantry to help out for PC but since the SP sink for vehicles has been increased by a factor of 3 it means i need all my SP out of infantry Likewise if someone wants to go all vehicles they need every SP they have A full respec is the logical choice and outweighs all negatives and can only give positives When will another total rebalance of any part of the skill tree happen again? frankly it wont and the vehicle tree changes are the biggest to hit and the last to be changed in a long time, all infantry and infantry weapons/mods were balanced long ago with only small changes now n again but this is a 1st for vehicles You can't present a logical argument to someone that probably wants to say that we should lose the SP for skills they're removing from the skill tree. You know full well infantry has an unfounded, almost cult-like hatred for vehicles. The only thing i agree with the OP is on a full respec Its needed anyways espc for vehicle pilots since we now have to put in 3 times the SP needed when 1.7 drops A partial respec will not work when the number of SP needed has been increased by a factor of 3 A partial respec which forces vehicles pilots to put it all back into vehicles will not work when the number of SP needed has been increased by a factor of 3 so your current SP into vehicles will not stretch as far and get you anywhere near what you need Since i skilled into vehicles i have access to all vehicles/mods and turrets at around 18mil, that 18mil in 1.7 will get me access to vehicles and some mods/turrets but i have to pick and choose wisely and the kicker is in 1.7 i have less vehicles and mods/turrets/skills to skill into because they are removing some mods/skills/turrets The amount of SP will also increase when the other racial vehicles are added along with more racial turrets and MAV/jets/speeders and pilot suits and any mods that may arrive with it As for the 'FOTM arguments' the FOTM players will always skill into FOTM things and it will not change, everytime something is released and its better then ther current thing then they will class it as OP and thus skill into it
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1323	Posted - 2013.11.26 10:28:00 - [28] - Quote Why no CCP statement? Yes, I know I'm impatient, but 1.7 is coming up soon and this is a serious issue. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Haerr 104	Posted - 2013.11.26 11:53:00 - [29] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Why no CCP statement? Yes, I know I'm impatient, but 1.7 is coming up soon and this is a serious issue. Wondering about this as well.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1325	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:13:00 - [30] - Quote CCP and a part of the CPM is completely missing the point. This has nothing to do with being for or against respecs in general. The vehicle skill tree is being radically changed, so much that a refund of all the SP invested into it is required. That is all fine, no full respec required for this. However, when this refunded SP can be spent anywhere, outside the vehicle skill tree as well, CCP is treating their playerbase unfairly by giving vehicle pilots with SP invested in the vehicle skill tree an unfair advantage over infantry with no/little SP invested in the vehicle skill tree. A full respec is required in this situation. CCP has to correct this mistake. If CCP refuses to correct this mistake it's just another of the continued decisions full of fail that have driven so many players away from this game and lately myself as well, and I was a fairly big fanboy back in closed beta. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!



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