DUST Search - 1.7 respec

daishi mk03 wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

daishi mk03 wrote:

I don't get what you trying to say but you can spec a tank easily for 20m next patch 1.7 and you will get a respec, because you tanker and you are mad and you can also go infantry and you are Minmatar spy

edit: execuse my english, its not language of my mother

No

I use all vehicles

LAV/DS/HAV

We are losing 6 vehicles in 1.7 and some skills/mods so we should have less skills but we dont

The sink has been added to turrets and also a few other skills which no longer offer anything such as the CPU skill

Depending on what i want 20mil may suffice for a basic user of vehicles, but i like to be able to use all vehicles and have a range of turrets to fit on them with decent if not perfect support skills so i get the most out of my vehicles

If the core skills are missing then really there is no point to using that 1.7mil HAV since you will not get the best out of it

Right now 20mil gives you everything including core skills, next patch it wont

Next patch you may be able to access everything but you will have to cut down on something where as i can take that SP out and put it into infantry which is much cheaper SP wise and i get access to proto everything

Infantry cannot go vehicles unless they save up about a years worth of SP, no respec for them

Vehicle requireing more SP is fine. Right now you need more than 10x more SP to spec into all infantry roles than into all vehicles. So it is good, that in the future vehicle drivers have to specialize like infantry has to. This is really unfair right now! 20m SP gives you all vehicles maxed OR a logi suit maxed. See? It's unfair now and it's fair afterwards.

Infantry isn't into vehicles right now, why should they be able to go from 0 to 100 into vehicles? They are at 0 now, they will be at 0 in the future. A infantry guy who wants to spec into vehicles now will also need 20m SP for everything (=1 year of SP). Nothing changes there.

I can fit you milito soma if you want to need help to need help fit you i will to fit you help you fit soma.


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Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1729	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:12:00 - [1] - Quote I back you but dont expect anything
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1749	Posted - 2013.11.22 14:49:00 - [2] - Quote Z3R0 GR4VITY wrote: I personally believe a full respec is a bad idea. I can understand partial respecs when things get changed so much that it becomes necessary. I'd still keep it a partial respec, but maybe include AV weaponry alongside vehicles. What about the heavy suit The FG is classed to most as AV anyways but it requires the fatsuit and if you dont want the FG now then you may not want the fatsuit I mean with this respec i can go full infantry and **** and totally ignore vehicles, AV cant do that and they dont get the choice Also at around 20mil SP i had everything i wanted in vehicles, i saved 8mil SP for the pilot suits which never arrived and so i spent the SP on infantry so i could forfil another role on the field but the problem is i couldnt have just saved that SP to wait for anymore vehicle changes because they kept getting pushed further and further back Now the SP sink for vehicles has increased by a factor of 3, the 18mil or so i have now in the vehicle tree will not stretch that far in 1.7 I do need every availble SP i have to get back to where i am now in 1.7, that isnt including the racial vehicles and turrets and pilot suits which are yet to arrive
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1773	Posted - 2013.11.24 15:37:00 - [3] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I just want to avoid the free candy addiction syndrome for the time being. Maybe when all the suits come out a free respec then. Id be pretty upset if we have a respec a month. It's either that or the refunded SP can only be spent in the same role as it came from. Otherwise CCP is playing favorites and giving certain players an advantage by letting them skill out of their chosen role etc (as listed in the OP). CCP have known for months that a vehicle respec would be unavoidable, so if they didn't want to do a full respec they should've worked out a way to only allow the refunded SP to be spent in the same role. Since they didn't, a full respec is the only option. Spent in the same role but doesnt go as anywhere as far as in 1.6 Frankly CCP knew they were making the SP sink bigger by a factor of 3, players did not know unless you wanted to hold onto your SP for the next year and half I skilled into a secondary role in infantry to help out for PC but since the SP sink for vehicles has been increased by a factor of 3 it means i need all my SP out of infantry Likewise if someone wants to go all vehicles they need every SP they have A full respec is the logical choice and outweighs all negatives and can only give positives When will another total rebalance of any part of the skill tree happen again? frankly it wont and the vehicle tree changes are the biggest to hit and the last to be changed in a long time, all infantry and infantry weapons/mods were balanced long ago with only small changes now n again but this is a 1st for vehicles
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1777	Posted - 2013.11.25 12:27:00 - [4] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I just want to avoid the free candy addiction syndrome for the time being. Maybe when all the suits come out a free respec then. Id be pretty upset if we have a respec a month. It's either that or the refunded SP can only be spent in the same role as it came from. Otherwise CCP is playing favorites and giving certain players an advantage by letting them skill out of their chosen role etc (as listed in the OP). CCP have known for months that a vehicle respec would be unavoidable, so if they didn't want to do a full respec they should've worked out a way to only allow the refunded SP to be spent in the same role. Since they didn't, a full respec is the only option. Spent in the same role but doesnt go as anywhere as far as in 1.6 Frankly CCP knew they were making the SP sink bigger by a factor of 3, players did not know unless you wanted to hold onto your SP for the next year and half I skilled into a secondary role in infantry to help out for PC but since the SP sink for vehicles has been increased by a factor of 3 it means i need all my SP out of infantry Likewise if someone wants to go all vehicles they need every SP they have A full respec is the logical choice and outweighs all negatives and can only give positives When will another total rebalance of any part of the skill tree happen again? frankly it wont and the vehicle tree changes are the biggest to hit and the last to be changed in a long time, all infantry and infantry weapons/mods were balanced long ago with only small changes now n again but this is a 1st for vehicles You can't present a logical argument to someone that probably wants to say that we should lose the SP for skills they're removing from the skill tree. You know full well infantry has an unfounded, almost cult-like hatred for vehicles. The only thing i agree with the OP is on a full respec Its needed anyways espc for vehicle pilots since we now have to put in 3 times the SP needed when 1.7 drops A partial respec will not work when the number of SP needed has been increased by a factor of 3 A partial respec which forces vehicles pilots to put it all back into vehicles will not work when the number of SP needed has been increased by a factor of 3 so your current SP into vehicles will not stretch as far and get you anywhere near what you need Since i skilled into vehicles i have access to all vehicles/mods and turrets at around 18mil, that 18mil in 1.7 will get me access to vehicles and some mods/turrets but i have to pick and choose wisely and the kicker is in 1.7 i have less vehicles and mods/turrets/skills to skill into because they are removing some mods/skills/turrets The amount of SP will also increase when the other racial vehicles are added along with more racial turrets and MAV/jets/speeders and pilot suits and any mods that may arrive with it As for the 'FOTM arguments' the FOTM players will always skill into FOTM things and it will not change, everytime something is released and its better then ther current thing then they will class it as OP and thus skill into it
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1802	Posted - 2013.11.29 18:01:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I strongly believe the word sink should be banned from this debate as its hurting the primary argument of fairity between infantry and vehicle operators. Focus folks. Ban the word sink? Why? Is it because its true? I have around 18mil SP into vehicles and the turrets, i can access and use all mods and all vehicles with all the turrets i need Now i need all my 32+mil SP into vehicles to get even close to where i was and the kicker is we are losing 6 vehicles to boot and various mods and there skills It should be cheaper SP wise but its not The SP needed has gone up by a factor of 3, we have skills that just access mods and nothing else, they dont even give anything per level We have got more SINKS in 1.7 vehicle tree - fact These SINKS were not in from the start when i choose to go into vehicles, they have been added after i have gone into vehicles and not just 1 or 2months later but 6months later when i maxed out my vehicles tree to where i was competitve enough and any more SP added would have been a waste, any SP after i put into infantry because i had no need to put it into vehicles Now i find out i need to SINK more SP into the vehicle tree and i cant do it, i have infantry stuff which i needed, i wasnt going to hang onto millions of SP for a year or more and wait for CCP to add more stuff for vehicles in the middle of AR514 With this partial respec i can go proto in 3 suits, finish of 3 weapons and hit the core skills to max with SP left to spare With the 32mil i can go into all vehicles and a few turrets but still not be finished, also i am not counting the amarr and minmatar vehicles/turrets/mods/skills and all the racial pilots suits and possibly pilot mods which have yet to be added The vehicle skill tree is a SINK in 1.7, it is that much of a SINK it needs all my SP, it needs so much that when on the ground i will be running BPO fits if i get a full respec for years to come
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1804	Posted - 2013.11.29 19:20:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I strongly believe the word sink should be banned from this debate as its hurting the primary argument of fairity between infantry and vehicle operators. Focus folks. Doesn't understand the idea of focus Now this thread is about redesigning the skill tree. Thank you Takahiro for enlightening our ignorance. Keep changing it to suit your needs but its a SINK Vehicle tree in 1.7 is a SINK - fact I wouldnt have mind it being a SINK if it was changed at least 6months ago so i knew how much SP i needed excatly to flesh out the vehicle tree because if i knew 6months ago that the tree would be such a SP SINK i wouldnt have gone into infantry at all or i could have gone all into infantry and had 4 diff proto suits with 4 proto weapons and all core skills by now You can delete all this text again but you cant delete the fact that the SP needed for the vehicle tree has been increased by a factor of 3 Not including missing racial vehicles/turrets/mods/skills/pilot suits/more mods/more skills I did a quick count, i can SINK into the 1.7 vehicle tree about 60mil SP roughly and thats nearly everything at level 5, including all missing things that could be 100mil of SP which is about 3 years worth at least, using boosters for every week, active and passive So how about you focus on the fact that the vehicle tree has been turned into more of a SINK with 3times the SP needed
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1804	Posted - 2013.11.30 12:20:00 - [7] - Quote D3LTA Blitzkrieg II wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Keep changing it to suit your needs but its a SINK Vehicle tree in 1.7 is a SINK - fact I wouldnt have mind it being a SINK if it was changed at least 6months ago so i knew how much SP i needed excatly to flesh out the vehicle tree because if i knew 6months ago that the tree would be such a SP SINK i wouldnt have gone into infantry at all or i could have gone all into infantry and had 4 diff proto suits with 4 proto weapons and all core skills by now You can delete all this text again but you cant delete the fact that the SP needed for the vehicle tree has been increased by a factor of 3 Not including missing racial vehicles/turrets/mods/skills/pilot suits/more mods/more skills I did a quick count, i can SINK into the 1.7 vehicle tree about 60mil SP roughly and thats nearly everything at level 5, including all missing things that could be 100mil of SP which is about 3 years worth at least, using boosters for every week, active and passive So how about you focus on the fact that the vehicle tree has been turned into more of a SINK with 3times the SP needed Lets double the sink then! Let us forget about respeccing at all Let us continue to derail this thread by making noise that unfocuses on the subject of respecs at all. still puzzles me how u managed to become cpm Its that big of a mystery Sherlock/Columbo or Monk couldnt solve it He says to focus on respecs yet chooses to write 2 pointless replies to this thread about how we shouldnt be asking for a respec a month which frankly hasnt turned up once in this thread and he would realise that if he read the thread and the 2nd pointless post about how we should stop calling it a SINK when it is blatently a SINK If he actually posted about how we should be focusing on the respec part of it then fine and all my posts address that issue since i know alot of vehicle pilots need a full respec to go back to vehicles but trying to explain that to him is like talking to a duck while its listening to white noise and practising yoga
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1807	Posted - 2013.12.01 12:28:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Heavy Salvo wrote: WELL insofar we have the Vehicle perspective although it seems as though you are quite upset he & the other pilots aren't looking at this from the infantry perspective and I'm assuming also disregarding the "free candy syndrome" you brought up at the beginning of this whole thing. well then let me get your opinion on this,Saber, what exactly do you think is unfair in regards to a full respec in 1.7 from an infantry perspective? I'm on the fence which is why Takahiro is sort of hurting the entire conversation because he's pushing me away from wanting to side with the respeccers because by his logic it would be far more effective to redesign the tree which I wont also argue but its an entirely seperate issue. BS Dont pin your indecisiveness on me because you are ***** useless I havnt even mentioned about redesigning the tree, CCP has already done that if you paid attention which you obv *** havnt The vehicle tree has been completely redesigned if you didnt notice and because of that its more of an SP sink which means my 18mil into vehicles now will not go as far as in 1.7 so hence a full respec is needed Anyone else who is skilled into even 1 part of the vehicle tree for just say a ADS might aswell give up not and go into full infantry like a few are doing because its more of an SP sink Why the do i even bother, CPM blames anyone but themselves for being ***** useless
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1809	Posted - 2013.12.01 19:16:00 - [9] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Takahiro is mad, because he has skilled into heavy suits and has to run with a duvolle now. Vehicle respec yay, full respec NO. Also, he is a Minmatar spie. I like my heavy suit and duvolle I just dont use em anymore except for my BPO stuff Partial respec is no good to me, i specced out all my vehicles and got everything i needed and trained up a secondary infantry role Now that SP wont go as far Full respec doesnt hurt the game, the game is beta with half the classes unfinished anyways Partial respec tho to only a few means i can go full infantry and pubstomp and if you liked vehicles then tough no respec for you and im not forced to go back into vehicles either
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1810	Posted - 2013.12.01 19:48:00 - [10] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: I don't get what you trying to say but you can spec a tank easily for 20m next patch 1.7 and you will get a respec, because you tanker and you are mad and you can also go infantry and you are Minmatar spy edit: execuse my english, its not language of my mother No I use all vehicles LAV/DS/HAV We are losing 6 vehicles in 1.7 and some skills/mods so we should have less skills but we dont The sink has been added to turrets and also a few other skills which no longer offer anything such as the CPU skill Depending on what i want 20mil may suffice for a basic user of vehicles, but i like to be able to use all vehicles and have a range of turrets to fit on them with decent if not perfect support skills so i get the most out of my vehicles If the core skills are missing then really there is no point to using that 1.7mil HAV since you will not get the best out of it Right now 20mil gives you everything including core skills, next patch it wont Next patch you may be able to access everything but you will have to cut down on something where as i can take that SP out and put it into infantry which is much cheaper SP wise and i get access to proto everything Infantry cannot go vehicles unless they save up about a years worth of SP, no respec for them

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1810	Posted - 2013.12.01 20:02:00 - [11] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: I don't get what you trying to say but you can spec a tank easily for 20m next patch 1.7 and you will get a respec, because you tanker and you are mad and you can also go infantry and you are Minmatar spy edit: execuse my english, its not language of my mother No I use all vehicles LAV/DS/HAV We are losing 6 vehicles in 1.7 and some skills/mods so we should have less skills but we dont The sink has been added to turrets and also a few other skills which no longer offer anything such as the CPU skill Depending on what i want 20mil may suffice for a basic user of vehicles, but i like to be able to use all vehicles and have a range of turrets to fit on them with decent if not perfect support skills so i get the most out of my vehicles If the core skills are missing then really there is no point to using that 1.7mil HAV since you will not get the best out of it Right now 20mil gives you everything including core skills, next patch it wont Next patch you may be able to access everything but you will have to cut down on something where as i can take that SP out and put it into infantry which is much cheaper SP wise and i get access to proto everything Infantry cannot go vehicles unless they save up about a years worth of SP, no respec for them Vehicle requireing more SP is fine. Right now you need more than 10x more SP to spec into all infantry roles than into all vehicles. So it is good, that in the future vehicle drivers have to specialize like infantry has to. This is really unfair right now! 20m SP gives you all vehicles maxed OR a logi suit maxed. See? It's unfair now and it's fair afterwards. Infantry isn't into vehicles right now, why should they be able to go from 0 to 100 into vehicles? They are at 0 now, they will be at 0 in the future. A infantry guy who wants to spec into vehicles now will also need 20m SP for everything (=1 year of SP). Nothing changes there. I can fit you milito soma if you want to need help to need help fit you i will to fit you help you fit soma. Wrong I can spec the core skills for infantry and have 2 proto suits with 2 proto weaopns at least for 20mil Anyways i specced into vehicles, maxed out what i needed then made secondary infantry roles Now CCP decided to change the entire tree so now im ****** either way If i get the partial respec im screwed unless i go infantry, if i want to go vehicles im worse off because i have less to spend This isnt even counting the racial vehicles/turrets/mods and pilot suits which have yet to be added
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1810	Posted - 2013.12.01 20:23:00 - [12] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: 2 proto suits with 2 proto weapons and core skills is FAR away from everything. 20m SP now grants you all, ALL vehicles. I think it will be more fair in 1.7. you can skill 1 turret (usage), both available tank hulls (at once) and core skill, maybe a dropship. it's fair, trust me, trust me, it's fair, trust me. I can fit you milito somo tanker fit you help you railgun militio somo tank You say its fair Whats fair about changing it 6months later when the majority of pilots have specced out the tree to where they want it and then have now gone into a secondary role Lets just say you spec all infantry for 20mil and then they went into vehicles, but then they changed all infantry skills and made it a bigger sink but this was after you had made your choices 6months ago, forums would go into a rage I made my choice I specced out the vehicle tree and got everything i needed I finished the tree and then worked on a secondary role Now the vehicle tree needs alot more SP, ergo i need a full respec If i knew about this before i skilled my secondary like a good 6months ago i wouldnt have gone infantry at all and worked on my vehicle tree even more Partial respec means nothing, all it means is that i can go full infantry