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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.11.24 11:08:00 -
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I just want to avoid the free candy addiction syndrome for the time being. Maybe when all the suits come out a free respec then. Id be pretty upset if we have a respec a month.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.11.29 10:18:00 -
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I strongly believe the word sink should be banned from this debate as its hurting the primary argument of fairity between infantry and vehicle operators.
Focus folks.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.11.29 18:46:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I strongly believe the word sink should be banned from this debate as its hurting the primary argument of fairity between infantry and vehicle operators.
Focus folks. Doesn't understand the idea of focus
Now this thread is about redesigning the skill tree. Thank you Takahiro for enlightening our ignorance.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.11.30 09:57:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I strongly believe the word sink should be banned from this debate as its hurting the primary argument of fairity between infantry and vehicle operators.
Focus folks. Doesn't understand the idea of focus Now this thread is about redesigning the skill tree. Thank you Takahiro for enlightening our ignorance. Keep changing it to suit your needs but its a SINK Vehicle tree in 1.7 is a SINK - fact I wouldnt have mind it being a SINK if it was changed at least 6months ago so i knew how much SP i needed excatly to flesh out the vehicle tree because if i knew 6months ago that the tree would be such a SP SINK i wouldnt have gone into infantry at all or i could have gone all into infantry and had 4 diff proto suits with 4 proto weapons and all core skills by now You can delete all this text again but you cant delete the fact that the SP needed for the vehicle tree has been increased by a factor of 3 Not including missing racial vehicles/turrets/mods/skills/pilot suits/more mods/more skills I did a quick count, i can SINK into the 1.7 vehicle tree about 60mil SP roughly and thats nearly everything at level 5, including all missing things that could be 100mil of SP which is about 3 years worth at least, using boosters for every week, active and passive So how about you focus on the fact that the vehicle tree has been turned into more of a SINK with 3times the SP needed
Lets double the sink then!
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:50:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:D3LTA Blitzkrieg II wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Keep changing it to suit your needs but its a SINK
Vehicle tree in 1.7 is a SINK - fact
I wouldnt have mind it being a SINK if it was changed at least 6months ago so i knew how much SP i needed excatly to flesh out the vehicle tree because if i knew 6months ago that the tree would be such a SP SINK i wouldnt have gone into infantry at all or i could have gone all into infantry and had 4 diff proto suits with 4 proto weapons and all core skills by now
You can delete all this text again but you cant delete the fact that the SP needed for the vehicle tree has been increased by a factor of 3
Not including missing racial vehicles/turrets/mods/skills/pilot suits/more mods/more skills
I did a quick count, i can SINK into the 1.7 vehicle tree about 60mil SP roughly and thats nearly everything at level 5, including all missing things that could be 100mil of SP which is about 3 years worth at least, using boosters for every week, active and passive
So how about you focus on the fact that the vehicle tree has been turned into more of a SINK with 3times the SP needed
Lets double the sink then! Let us forget about respeccing at all Let us continue to derail this thread by making noise that unfocuses on the subject of respecs at all. still puzzles me how u managed to become cpm Its that big of a mystery Sherlock/Columbo or Monk couldnt solve it He says to focus on respecs yet chooses to write 2 pointless replies to this thread about how we shouldnt be asking for a respec a month which frankly hasnt turned up once in this thread and he would realise that if he read the thread and the 2nd pointless post about how we should stop calling it a SINK when it is blatently a SINK If he actually posted about how we should be focusing on the respec part of it then fine and all my posts address that issue since i know alot of vehicle pilots need a full respec to go back to vehicles but trying to explain that to him is like talking to a duck while its listening to white noise and practising yoga
Please continue to derail the conversation. Let us sink plenty of time away into the subject. Let us forego the need to address the respec any further and leave it broken as is.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.11.30 21:22:00 -
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Heavy Salvo wrote:WELL insofar we have the Vehicle perspective although it seems as though you are quite upset he & the other pilots aren't looking at this from the infantry perspective and I'm assuming also disregarding the "free candy syndrome" you brought up at the beginning of this whole thing.
well then let me get your opinion on this,Saber, what exactly do you think is unfair in regards to a full respec in 1.7 from an infantry perspective?
I'm on the fence which is why Takahiro is sort of hurting the entire conversation because he's pushing me away from wanting to side with the respeccers because by his logic it would be far more effective to redesign the tree which I wont also argue but its an entirely seperate issue.
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Players are bored with their current fits.
Some have made mistakes
Players are feeling left out because they may have made the mistake of speccing into infantry when vehicles was their real calling.
Against
Free Candy Syndrome - the idea of a free respec at the time of anything gets nerfed, this behavior was well established back in beta and there are plenty of people who are very hard at letting go.
Future Prospects - In combination with FCS this will hurt any potential to monetize the and automate the system if it ever gets developed on because it was something offered regularly for free and now has to be paid for. Buy 1 get 2 free is now buy 1 get one 1 free type of backlash.
Notation
See how 0 of these points have to do with the horrible tree design?
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.12.02 00:08:00 -
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In game? not as far as I am aware. I wouldn't be able to hang out there most of the day.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.12.02 19:55:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:@CPM. Do you think it's possible to get some answers as to why we got a (optional) full respec for these skill tree changes back in May, but we can't get one now? Tbh I fail to see how the changes back in May warranted a full respec when the 1.7 changes don't. They can also do an optional full respec now if they don't like giving everyone a full respec automatically. This means that everyone's vehicle skills will be refunded automatically, but if people would rather get a full respec they can opt in on that by writing to support like back in May.
I know for fact the one in may was a total 2.0 sort of deal in terms of the tree which is probably why we got it then. This one we're chopping off a branch and replacing it. A strength in 2.0 but In my opinion a creative weakness.
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