As someone who chose Amarr logi because of the sole purpose of getting 3 equipment slots while still maintaining a Light Weapon and a side arm...I support logi's only running sidearms.

This would in my opinion, change the game dramatically and come close, if not all the way, to solving the issue of logi's being better slayers.

Remove Supply Depots?

I should slap you really really really hard.

Aside from nanohives, those are the only things we're allowed to use to replenish ammo. I find myself running out of ammo all of the time and having to either run across the map or leave the battlefield for the safe zone JUST so I can replenish.

We should have more of them but with some type of cool down possibly.

Choo Choo! We have a checkin to dumdum central!

But whatever floats your boat and the remaining 2000 players that play this game.

PS: Incase you havent realized most tankers blow up supply depots. Enjoy you lollogic!

Quickscoping FTW!

I saw this and I stopped reading
I hope this is a troll thread because this wasn't the only horrible idea the OP gave.

just insulted my intelligence.

Even with the PS4 launch there's still a peak of around 4800-5200 at certain times of the day.

Yeah quick scoping requires skill and instinct. My bad if y'all lack those. Bad idea!

Lmao, that's why I can quick scope even though I never snipe? Snipers arnt ment for CQC, it sounds like you would like cod better.

Given that these 2 games are EoNs (see what I did here) apart there are quite a few in game features that would make Dust slightly better to digest.

1. A single grenade

Yes. In KZSF you get only 1 grenade. I know people with crappy gun game like Kujo, Andy and Zatara would hate this but its a good thing.

2. Focused maps i.e. either make a map/game mode infantry only or make it Vehicle/AV specific

Right now maps are a mix up of both infantry and vehicle. This promotes cheesy gameplay rather than actual skill. Having infantry only maps would allow the infantry folks to run and gun and be merry whilst having Vehicle specific maps/game modes would allow AV and Vehicles to duke it out. In the infantry maps on KZSF the snipers are actualy up close an personal sniping you in the face and not in the red zone. Quickscoping FTW!

3. No supply depots

Supply depots are home point promotes camping. Removing them would help focus more on Logi roles and bring out the snipers into the open.

4. Logi specific equipment

Logi's should be the only one carrying nanohives, nanite injectors, droplinks and reppers. This will make people play this role more.

5. Logi specific weapons

Since the Logi will be doing a lot support people, their weapons should be limited to sidearms only.

6. Drones

Do I really need to explain why?

7. Automatic shotguns

High damage with low range. Great for CQC.

2. Focused maps i.e. either make a map/game mode infantry only or make it Vehicle/AV specific

Right now maps are a mix up of both infantry and vehicle. This promotes cheesy gameplay rather than actual skill. Having infantry only maps would allow the infantry folks to run and gun and be merry whilst having Vehicle specific maps/game modes would allow AV and Vehicles to duke it out. In the infantry maps on KZSF the snipers are actualy up close an personal sniping you in the face and not in the red zone. Quickscoping FTW!
3. No supply depots

Supply depots are home point promotes camping. Removing them would help focus more on Logi roles and bring out the snipers into the open.

4. Logi specific equipment

Logi's should be the only one carrying nanohives, nanite injectors, droplinks and reppers. This will make people play this role more.

5. Logi specific weapons

Since the Logi will be doing a lot support people, their weapons should be limited to sidearms only.

I have gone 47-0 sniping in the middle of the battlefield on ground. Sleepy Zan also snipes on the ground. Real sniping takes skill. He is the only other sniper I have seen that doesnt perch up on top of the towers sniping down.

For both 4 and 5 you're singling out the logi for weapon and equipment changes while using KZ:SF as your guide, but why are you singling out the logi when EVERY class in KZ:SF has unique weapons and equipment, and not just the support class. Why don't you also suggest "scout specific weapons and equipment", "commando specific weapons and equipment", or "assault specific weapons and equipment", etc?

I've gotten similar scores with breach shotgun commando, you can do good with any setup considering how bad the average dust player is.

The current record for shotgun is 68-0 by Hiro Libery from Red Star Death Squad. When you beat that lets talk.

I don't play solo

Given that these 2 games are EoNs (see what I did here) apart there are quite a few in game features that would make Dust slightly better to digest.

1. A single grenade

Yes. In KZSF you get only 1 grenade. I know people with crappy gun game like Kujo, Andy and Zatara would hate this but its a good thing.

2. Focused maps i.e. either make a map/game mode infantry only or make it Vehicle/AV specific

Right now maps are a mix up of both infantry and vehicle. This promotes cheesy gameplay rather than actual skill. Having infantry only maps would allow the infantry folks to run and gun and be merry whilst having Vehicle specific maps/game modes would allow AV and Vehicles to duke it out. In the infantry maps on KZSF the snipers are actualy up close an personal sniping you in the face and not in the red zone. Quickscoping FTW!

3. No supply depots

Supply depots are home point promotes camping. Removing them would help focus more on Logi roles and bring out the snipers into the open.

4. Logi specific equipment

Logi's should be the only one carrying nanohives, nanite injectors, droplinks and reppers. This will make people play this role more.

5. Logi specific weapons

Since the Logi will be doing a lot support people, their weapons should be limited to sidearms only.

6. Drones

Do I really need to explain why?

7. Automatic shotguns

High damage with low range. Great for CQC.

Like I said before you either got skill or ya dont. Skilled players dont need their boyfriends aroudn helping them out.

Things like going 68-0 and quickscoping dudes out of LAVs or sniping people in freefall takes skill.

you forgot the choice of whether you want to be revived or not

Yep, cod is definitely the game for you. Dust is all about team worst.

See this is why I love the logic in Dust forums. This numnut cant get the better of me verbally and he accuses me of being a COD fanboi when the topic itself compares DUST 514 with KZSF (Killzone Shadowfall).

Sure thing Dorskter514! Whatever you say!

See this is why I love the logic in Dust forums. This numnut cant get the better of me verbally and he accuses me of being a COD fanboi when the topic itself compares DUST 514 with KZSF (Killzone Shadowfall).

Sure thing Dorskter514! Whatever you say!

I am using the Logis as a baseline. If you play or ever played LOLPC almost everyone is a Logi. Weapons should be like ships in Eve;- race specific. If you are skilled into Caldari ARs, you should be using caldari ARs. All classes need to be changed.

For example;- Assaults should have no equipment. Scouts should have 2 equipment slots for Scanners, REs and Proxies. Heavies should be able to carry all 3 types of grenades;- after all they are supposed to go toe to toe with a tank.

In addition to that why have an Assault Suit when everyone can go Amarr Logi and carry a Primary and a sidearm? You dont need anything other suit IMHO.

CCP in trying to please the masses has got the roles confused. They nerfed the Cal Logi;- but has that stopped people from using it. Till I stopped playing Dust I was trolling with my Militia heavy with a single damage mod and laser rifle. Try that out and see how OP that **** is.

As long as these combinations are available you will always have a FOTM.

Snipers arnt ment for CQC.

if it can be used in the situation then it must be meant for the situation.

If you want roles to be enforced, the key is changing the bonuses (detailed proposal), not making suits restrictively boring.

Claiming laser rifle + anything is OP is hard to take seriously.

You could say that for almost any gun, but just because I blew up a tank with a HMG dosent mean it's a AV weapon

BS. Sleepy and I can quickscope people in the middle of the field and prove it to you. I would like to see you blow up a militia tank without getting killed by your HMG.

You got no street cred son.

Given that these 2 games are EoNs (see what I did here) apart there are quite a few in game features that would make Dust slightly better to digest.

1. A single grenade

Yes. In KZSF you get only 1 grenade. I know people with crappy gun game like Kujo, Andy and Zatara would hate this but its a good thing.

2. Focused maps i.e. either make a map/game mode infantry only or make it Vehicle/AV specific

Right now maps are a mix up of both infantry and vehicle. This promotes cheesy gameplay rather than actual skill. Having infantry only maps would allow the infantry folks to run and gun and be merry whilst having Vehicle specific maps/game modes would allow AV and Vehicles to duke it out. In the infantry maps on KZSF the snipers are actualy up close an personal sniping you in the face and not in the red zone. Quickscoping FTW!

3. No supply depots

Supply depots are home point promotes camping. Removing them would help focus more on Logi roles and bring out the snipers into the open.

4. Logi specific equipment

Logi's should be the only one carrying nanohives, nanite injectors, droplinks and reppers. This will make people play this role more.

5. Logi specific weapons

Since the Logi will be doing a lot support people, their weapons should be limited to sidearms only.

6. Drones

Do I really need to explain why?

7. Automatic shotguns

High damage with low range. Great for CQC.

8. Option to be revived

Currently in Dust any noob can revive you without looking for enemies around. It would be nice to have an option to accept revives.

I can only insult something that one can possesses



Yep. You are totally right. Its that time of the day when everyone has done playing COD Ghosts or BF4 or KZSF and logged into Dust to get their daily 6K SP.

Your geni-ass is growing on me

You have a few valids points and we can agree to disagree respectfully.

As far as Dust' challenging structure;- I beg to differ there isnt any and if at all there is any it is its immensely longggggg grind that could me made completely useless by CCP just because they decide to change it without giving any respecs.

I have played Dust from the time it was releasde in Beta. I have lost a PS3 to the good old hard freezes. Anyone remember those days?

Im just saying;- challenges can be brought up in lots of other ways. A lot of good ideas are mentioned in this post. You can just take a few and make the game better to digest.

But hey, Sentient, you didn't say: So far are you mostly thumbs up on what they've done so far, or mostly down?

2. Quick scoping is an unrealistic way to use a sniper rifle, that derives around a game glitch that should not exist. All weapons/vehicles need to be viable on every map. From there, you can make maps more specialized to fit one playing style over others. As is, most of the new maps are extremely infantry based, and are unrealistic for snipers and tanks to run in. You should never make maps that make anything that you skill into not hardly usable on the play field. If sp was easy to get and everyone could have vehicles, top suits, close and ranged weapons like other games (cod and battlefield) than you could do as op states.

Again with more insulting and no actual counter-argument. You don't really care about Dust, do you?

The whole debate is about the sniper being on the battlefield rather than in the red line. Quickscoping is just an example I used that some numnut picked up and tagged along on it.

Sorry couldn't read past point 2. No, no, a thousand times NO, have you seen new vehicle skill tree? No. No nono.

The counter is there. Again going back to my point about lack of intelligence on not picking it up. Keep proving me right. you are doing a good job about it.

About caring about Dust I have sponsored Dust tournaments with my own $$$$ in prizes which is much better than the crap CCP handed out. People got PSN cards and gift cards which I paid out of my own pocket. What have you done son?

Given that these 2 games are EoNs (see what I did here) apart there are quite a few in game features that would make Dust slightly better to digest.

1. A single grenade

Yes. In KZSF you get only 1 grenade. I know people with crappy gun game like Kujo, Andy and Zatara would hate this but its a good thing.

2. Focused maps i.e. either make a map/game mode infantry only or make it Vehicle/AV specific

Right now maps are a mix up of both infantry and vehicle. This promotes cheesy gameplay rather than actual skill. Having infantry only maps would allow the infantry folks to run and gun and be merry whilst having Vehicle specific maps/game modes would allow AV and Vehicles to duke it out. In the infantry maps on KZSF the snipers are actualy up close an personal sniping you in the face and not in the red zone. Quickscoping FTW!

3. No supply depots

Supply depots are home point promotes camping. Removing them would help focus more on Logi roles and bring out the snipers into the open.

4. Logi specific equipment

Logi's should be the only one carrying nanohives, nanite injectors, droplinks and reppers. This will make people play this role more.

5. Logi specific weapons

Since the Logi will be doing a lot support people, their weapons should be limited to sidearms only.

6. Drones

Do I really need to explain why?

7. Automatic shotguns

High damage with low range. Great for CQC.

8. Option to be revived

Currently in Dust any noob can revive you without looking for enemies around. It would be nice to have an option to accept revives.

A few thumbs up. I maybe frustrated but Im not stupid and thats why I still troll the forums.

I understand the mechanics with the problems with Unreal Engine integration with the Eve side of things. Eve by far is a great game and its CCP's bread and butter. For them fixing Dust should not be too much of a problem if it were not for the integration with Eve. But the Devs in China got to go. If I remember correctly CCP Rattani is uprooting his family and taking them to mainland China to fix the mess the Devs in China have made. Mad props to that if thats true.

That and the number of broken promises they have made. If you cant keep a promise dont make one. Reasonable people understand. Fanboi's wont care! Most of the clowns on the forums dont really give a kitten. So you see CCP is loosing the reasonable ones and those are the ones that dont mind shelling out the $$$ for the game.

Take for example the alliance EoN. Eon had over 1500 active members playing Dust at one point in time. That has reduced to less than a 100 actively playing Dust. The rest are on other games. Essentially if you look at it CCP has lost about 1400 active players just from a single alliance. They are not retaining any of the newer players. No one likes to be pub stomped. Simple measures is all it takes to keep everyone happy.

Automatic shotguns would quite literally be OP, though I say bring it, we're already dealing with a 500dps ScR and 450 dps AR, why not kill me instantly up close as well.

I just called you out on possibly being a troll

but that thought might be just prejudiced rubbish in my head---there's no way for me to claim a judgement like that.

Yeah. I'm enjoying my logic...since you know...you didn't give a good reason against it and just insulted my intelligence.

In fact, you're actually supporting my idea SINCE if a tanker can blow up our only supply depot in the battlefield, both teams are pretty screwed and have to rely on blueberries to drop nanohives all of the time.

:> Also 2000? You gots to be trolling me(Which is sad since you're trolling in your own thread that you made to help improve Dust but then I guess it makes sense, since you're doing a Feedback/Suggestion thread in General Discussion.) . Even with the PS4 launch there's still a peak of around 4800-5200 at certain times of the day.

You should feel bad.

Given that these 2 games are EoNs (see what I did here) apart there are quite a few in game features that would make Dust slightly better to digest.

1. A single grenade

Yes. In KZSF you get only 1 grenade. I know people with crappy gun game like Kujo, Andy and Zatara would hate this but its a good thing.

2. Focused maps i.e. either make a map/game mode infantry only or make it Vehicle/AV specific

Right now maps are a mix up of both infantry and vehicle. This promotes cheesy gameplay rather than actual skill. Having infantry only maps would allow the infantry folks to run and gun and be merry whilst having Vehicle specific maps/game modes would allow AV and Vehicles to duke it out. In the infantry maps on KZSF the snipers are actualy up close an personal sniping you in the face and not in the red zone. Quickscoping FTW!

3. No supply depots

Supply depots are home point promotes camping. Removing them would help focus more on Logi roles and bring out the snipers into the open.

4. Logi specific equipment

Logi's should be the only one carrying nanohives, nanite injectors, droplinks and reppers. This will make people play this role more.

5. Logi specific weapons

Since the Logi will be doing a lot support people, their weapons should be limited to sidearms only.

6. Drones

Do I really need to explain why?

7. Automatic shotguns

High damage with low range. Great for CQC.

8. Option to be revived

Currently in Dust any noob can revive you without looking for enemies around. It would be nice to have an option to accept revives.

Yes DUST has balance issues, but the challenge is to solve them by increasing choice and flexibility rather than by restricting it. Add things to the game, don't pull them out.

Yeah quick scoping requires skill and instinct. My bad if y'all lack those. Bad idea!

Given that these 2 games are EoNs (see what I did here) apart there are quite a few in game features that would make Dust slightly better to digest.

1. A single grenade

Yes. In KZSF you get only 1 grenade. I know people with crappy gun game like Kujo, Andy and Zatara would hate this but its a good thing.

2. Focused maps i.e. either make a map/game mode infantry only or make it Vehicle/AV specific

Right now maps are a mix up of both infantry and vehicle. This promotes cheesy gameplay rather than actual skill. Having infantry only maps would allow the infantry folks to run and gun and be merry whilst having Vehicle specific maps/game modes would allow AV and Vehicles to duke it out. In the infantry maps on KZSF the snipers are actualy up close an personal sniping you in the face and not in the red zone. Quickscoping FTW!

3. No supply depots

Supply depots are home point promotes camping. Removing them would help focus more on Logi roles and bring out the snipers into the open.

4. Logi specific equipment

Logi's should be the only one carrying nanohives, nanite injectors, droplinks and reppers. This will make people play this role more.

5. Logi specific weapons

Since the Logi will be doing a lot support people, their weapons should be limited to sidearms only.

6. Drones

Do I really need to explain why?

7. Automatic shotguns

High damage with low range. Great for CQC.

8. Option to be revived

Currently in Dust any noob can revive you without looking for enemies around. It would be nice to have an option to accept revives.