You must be an Assault Rifle user, or an lolheavy or lolscout.


I can agree with the latter 2, but if you're in the almighty medium suit and you think the Scrambler is OP, have you ever even used it?


I was on Manus Peak earlier, climbing the hill at Charlie, and Assault Rifles all the way from Bravo took out half my shields in less than a second.

I hate the ASCR.

Its the 'Scrambler Rifle for scrubs who cant aim too good'.

I used to think the ScR was fine, then I started using it at close range. A bit like a burst HMG.

People who think the SCR is OP are shield tankers. If you are not an Amarr Assault it is painful to go against armor tanked Gal suits.

The SCR has more time gaps in its usage than an AR - Between cooldown and reload
The SCR has more of a shield bias than the AR - Much less damage to armor tanked suits than a TAC
The SCR has a harder time engaging multiple enemies at once due to the cooldown

That being said, the skill bonus and the charge mechanics need to be addressed.

Most players only need to skill into the base SCR to be effective if they dont use a charge shot
The charge shot should be instant-overheat unless you are an Amarr Assault
The skill for the SCR should be either related to heat build up or cooldown time. What you have with the base scrambler should be what a player gets at operation V

You must be an Assault Rifle user, or an lolheavy or lolscout.


I can agree with the latter 2, but if you're in the almighty medium suit and you think the Scrambler is OP, have you ever even used it?


I was on Manus Peak earlier, climbing the hill at Charlie, and Assault Rifles all the way from Bravo took out half my shields in less than a second.

+1

Scrambler rifles are not op when you need some skill to make it work PLUS has so many disadvantages.

Since a couple of weeks ago i've been seeing more people ''using'' them

I cannot COUNT the times i've gone vs 2-3 scrambler rifle TOURISTS hoping for an OP weapon and i've dropped eVERY single one of them in a row while they re just spamming r1 and shooting thin air iand im aiming for effective headshots.

SCR is not OP. People whine.
GÖªHighest PG usage of ANY weapon (at 20 at proto level)
GÖªCrappy Overheat mechanic
GÖªIn order to be the best you can be,you must use the amarr assault.
GÖªSome need for Sidearms,since you must wait for the wepon to cool off after some engagements
GÖªAND THE BIGGEST OF ALL. 120% shield bonus would be good if ARMOR tanking wasnt the latest trend, and 80% to armor is just, NOT OP,but the contrary broskies....

I hate the ASCR.

Its the 'Scrambler Rifle for scrubs who cant aim too good'.

prof5 3 dmg mods with imperial negates everything you say.
when you use or see a max damage imperial the stupid OPness is blatently in your face.
it melts ANY suit in its optimal while being still insane at its effective range with 30% damage.
when its retardedly easy to almost instakill any suit within 70m id say its OP.

the AR at least has consistent damage output and you can take cover. the ScR instakills you even as a heavy.
AR is OP across the board, but the max damage imperial is the god mode gun right now.

Also, if you cant aim with a ScR now and the overheat messes you up, you're straight up garbage at this game. Its retardedly easy to use the ScR now compared to before aim assist was implemented along with improved hit detection.
If you think the ScR takes skill to use now, you're just horrible at aiming.

prof5 3 dmg mods with imperial negates everything you say.
when you use or see a max damage imperial the stupid OPness is blatently in your face.
it melts ANY suit in its optimal while being still insane at its effective range with 30% damage.
when its retardedly easy to almost instakill any suit within 70m id say its OP.

the AR at least has consistent damage output and you can take cover. the ScR instakills you even as a heavy.
AR is OP across the board, but the max damage imperial is the god mode gun right now.

Also, if you cant aim with a ScR now and the overheat messes you up, you're straight up garbage at this game. Its retardedly easy to use the ScR now compared to before aim assist was implemented along with improved hit detection.
If you think the ScR takes skill to use now, you're just horrible at aiming.

prof5 3 dmg mods with imperial negates everything you say.
when you use or see a max damage imperial the stupid OPness is blatently in your face.
it melts ANY suit in its optimal while being still insane at its effective range with 30% damage.
when its retardedly easy to almost instakill any suit within 70m id say its OP.

the AR at least has consistent damage output and you can take cover. the ScR instakills you even as a heavy.
AR is OP across the board, but the max damage imperial is the god mode gun right now.

Also, if you cant aim with a ScR now and the overheat messes you up, you're straight up garbage at this game. Its retardedly easy to use the ScR now compared to before aim assist was implemented along with improved hit detection.
If you think the ScR takes skill to use now, you're just horrible at aiming.

In my opinion it's far too good in CQC and from the hip. I use it every now and again and am amazed at how it dominates in CQC.

Name me one gun, name me one single gun, that can't melt heavies with prof 5 and 3 complex damage mods.

Scramblers honestly need the range boost talked about for 1.7. They are supposed to be the long range AR anyway. But, I can see your point (exaggerated as it is) and would think a reduction in damage would compensate. Perhaps to 50-60ish.

But for God's sake, there isn't any gun that couldn't eat up anyone with that much damage enhancement.

A ProfV Duvolle with 3 CX damage mods does ~670 DPS. Enough to kill most medium frames in 1 second. 1.5 seconds if they brick tank a proto Gal Logi.
A ProfV Imperial with 3 CX damage mods does ~1410 maximum DPS, enough to kill most medium frames in ~0.6 seconds, PR 0.9 seconds if they brick tank a Gal Logi.
The fact that nobody can fire that fast combined with the fact that it will overheat after ~1.4 (1.7 with Amarr Assault to V) seconds severely limits its actual DPS. If I had to guess, the usually DPS of a Scrambler like that is probably somewhere near 950-1050.

The Scrambler also uses significantly more fitting resources than an AR.

Using this formula [(PGx4)+CPU], we can find the "fitting cost" of any module, weapon, or equipment piece.
This formula assumes that 1PG = 4CPU. This is because most suits have approximately 4x more CPU than they do PG. The Cal Logi and Amarr Logi are exceptions to this.

Imperial SCR: (20x4)+92 = 170
Duvolle AR: (13x4)+94 = 146

As you can see the SCR uses about 20% more fitting resources than the AR.

This doesn't completely reflect my opinion however, as I also believe the SCR does too much damage. I personally think all non-alpha damage weapons should have their damage reduced by 20-25%
Non-Alpha weapons include the AR, the SMG, the AScR, the Mass Driver, the ScR, the ScP, the HMG, the Laser Rifle, the Combat Rifle, and the Rail Rifle.
Alpha weapons include the Sniper Rifle, the Shotgun, the ScR (charge shot), the ScP (headshot), the Plasma Cannon, the Forge Gun, the Swarm Launcher, the Mass Driver (direct hit), and the Nova Knives.
I also think the ScR should have its hipfire cone of fire tightened severely (like the Laser Rifle), so that its is much more difficult to use in close quarters, and its Aim Assist weakened severely a close quarters as well, to make the tightened cone of fire much more evident.

prof5 3 dmg mods with imperial negates everything you say.
when you use or see a max damage imperial the stupid OPness is blatently in your face.
it melts ANY suit in its optimal while being still insane at its effective range with 30% damage.
when its retardedly easy to almost instakill any suit within 70m id say its OP.

the AR at least has consistent damage output and you can take cover. the ScR instakills you even as a heavy.
AR is OP across the board, but the max damage imperial is the god mode gun right now.

Also, if you cant aim with a ScR now and the overheat messes you up, you're straight up garbage at this game. Its retardedly easy to use the ScR now compared to before aim assist was implemented along with improved hit detection.
If you think the ScR takes skill to use now, you're just horrible at aiming.

"To everyone that thinks the Scrambler is OP...."

You must be an Assault Rifle user, or an lolheavy or lolscout.

I can agree with the latter 2, but if you're in the almighty medium suit and you think the Scrambler is OP, have you ever even used it?

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You must be an Assault Rifle user, or an lolheavy or lolscout.


I can agree with the latter 2, but if you're in the almighty medium suit and you think the Scrambler is OP, have you ever even used it?


I was on Manus Peak earlier, climbing the hill at Charlie, and Assault Rifles all the way from Bravo took out half my shields in less than a second.

Yeah ...350 damage dealt over 1 second of firing + 5 seconds of overheat vs 1920 damage dealt + time to reload = balanced ?

Sounds to me everyone would be running AR again.....

I'ts a good thing you learned to duck and sprint glitch early, right? Yet you somehow completely forgot to mention that mechanic here.

I like your style, for example how few months back you were crying that KBM is harder to play than DS3, even before AA. And how you were heroically fighting the uphill battle, being a KBMer and all, because it's so hard to destroy DS3 people with your chosen input method. And now you defend glitched weapon and pretend you're a hot shot, because you shred people with your shiny BPO. Well at least you're consistent.


Yeah, FOTMus tryhardus like you would know.

I hate the ASCR.

Its the 'Scrambler Rifle for scrubs who cant aim too good'.

You must be an Assault Rifle user, or an lolheavy or lolscout.


I can agree with the latter 2, but if you're in the almighty medium suit and you think the Scrambler is OP, have you ever even used it?


I was on Manus Peak earlier, climbing the hill at Charlie, and Assault Rifles all the way from Bravo took out half my shields in less than a second.

prof5 3 dmg mods with imperial negates everything you say.
when you use or see a max damage imperial the stupid OPness is blatently in your face.
it melts ANY suit in its optimal while being still insane at its effective range with 30% damage.
when its retardedly easy to almost instakill any suit within 70m id say its OP.

the AR at least has consistent damage output and you can take cover. the ScR instakills you even as a heavy.
AR is OP across the board, but the max damage imperial is the god mode gun right now.

Also, if you cant aim with a ScR now and the overheat messes you up, you're straight up garbage at this game. Its retardedly easy to use the ScR now compared to before aim assist was implemented along with improved hit detection.
If you think the ScR takes skill to use now, you're just horrible at aiming.

I'm a lolheavy

So.....you think it sucks now?