You must be an Assault Rifle user, or an lolheavy or lolscout.


I can agree with the latter 2, but if you're in the almighty medium suit and you think the Scrambler is OP, have you ever even used it?


I was on Manus Peak earlier, climbing the hill at Charlie, and Assault Rifles all the way from Bravo took out half my shields in less than a second.

I hate the ASCR.

Its the 'Scrambler Rifle for scrubs who cant aim too good'.

I used to think the ScR was fine, then I started using it at close range. A bit like a burst HMG.

People who think the SCR is OP are shield tankers. If you are not an Amarr Assault it is painful to go against armor tanked Gal suits.

The SCR has more time gaps in its usage than an AR - Between cooldown and reload
The SCR has more of a shield bias than the AR - Much less damage to armor tanked suits than a TAC
The SCR has a harder time engaging multiple enemies at once due to the cooldown

That being said, the skill bonus and the charge mechanics need to be addressed.

Most players only need to skill into the base SCR to be effective if they dont use a charge shot
The charge shot should be instant-overheat unless you are an Amarr Assault
The skill for the SCR should be either related to heat build up or cooldown time. What you have with the base scrambler should be what a player gets at operation V

You must be an Assault Rifle user, or an lolheavy or lolscout.


I can agree with the latter 2, but if you're in the almighty medium suit and you think the Scrambler is OP, have you ever even used it?


I was on Manus Peak earlier, climbing the hill at Charlie, and Assault Rifles all the way from Bravo took out half my shields in less than a second.

+1

Scrambler rifles are not op when you need some skill to make it work PLUS has so many disadvantages.

Since a couple of weeks ago i've been seeing more people ''using'' them

I cannot COUNT the times i've gone vs 2-3 scrambler rifle TOURISTS hoping for an OP weapon and i've dropped eVERY single one of them in a row while they re just spamming r1 and shooting thin air iand im aiming for effective headshots.

SCR is not OP. People whine.
GÖªHighest PG usage of ANY weapon (at 20 at proto level)
GÖªCrappy Overheat mechanic
GÖªIn order to be the best you can be,you must use the amarr assault.
GÖªSome need for Sidearms,since you must wait for the wepon to cool off after some engagements
GÖªAND THE BIGGEST OF ALL. 120% shield bonus would be good if ARMOR tanking wasnt the latest trend, and 80% to armor is just, NOT OP,but the contrary broskies....

I hate the ASCR.

Its the 'Scrambler Rifle for scrubs who cant aim too good'.

prof5 3 dmg mods with imperial negates everything you say.
when you use or see a max damage imperial the stupid OPness is blatently in your face.
it melts ANY suit in its optimal while being still insane at its effective range with 30% damage.
when its retardedly easy to almost instakill any suit within 70m id say its OP.

the AR at least has consistent damage output and you can take cover. the ScR instakills you even as a heavy.
AR is OP across the board, but the max damage imperial is the god mode gun right now.

Also, if you cant aim with a ScR now and the overheat messes you up, you're straight up garbage at this game. Its retardedly easy to use the ScR now compared to before aim assist was implemented along with improved hit detection.
If you think the ScR takes skill to use now, you're just horrible at aiming.

prof5 3 dmg mods with imperial negates everything you say.
when you use or see a max damage imperial the stupid OPness is blatently in your face.
it melts ANY suit in its optimal while being still insane at its effective range with 30% damage.
when its retardedly easy to almost instakill any suit within 70m id say its OP.

the AR at least has consistent damage output and you can take cover. the ScR instakills you even as a heavy.
AR is OP across the board, but the max damage imperial is the god mode gun right now.

Also, if you cant aim with a ScR now and the overheat messes you up, you're straight up garbage at this game. Its retardedly easy to use the ScR now compared to before aim assist was implemented along with improved hit detection.
If you think the ScR takes skill to use now, you're just horrible at aiming.

prof5 3 dmg mods with imperial negates everything you say.
when you use or see a max damage imperial the stupid OPness is blatently in your face.
it melts ANY suit in its optimal while being still insane at its effective range with 30% damage.
when its retardedly easy to almost instakill any suit within 70m id say its OP.

the AR at least has consistent damage output and you can take cover. the ScR instakills you even as a heavy.
AR is OP across the board, but the max damage imperial is the god mode gun right now.

Also, if you cant aim with a ScR now and the overheat messes you up, you're straight up garbage at this game. Its retardedly easy to use the ScR now compared to before aim assist was implemented along with improved hit detection.
If you think the ScR takes skill to use now, you're just horrible at aiming.

In my opinion it's far too good in CQC and from the hip. I use it every now and again and am amazed at how it dominates in CQC.

Name me one gun, name me one single gun, that can't melt heavies with prof 5 and 3 complex damage mods.

Scramblers honestly need the range boost talked about for 1.7. They are supposed to be the long range AR anyway. But, I can see your point (exaggerated as it is) and would think a reduction in damage would compensate. Perhaps to 50-60ish.

But for God's sake, there isn't any gun that couldn't eat up anyone with that much damage enhancement.

A ProfV Duvolle with 3 CX damage mods does ~670 DPS. Enough to kill most medium frames in 1 second. 1.5 seconds if they brick tank a proto Gal Logi.
A ProfV Imperial with 3 CX damage mods does ~1410 maximum DPS, enough to kill most medium frames in ~0.6 seconds, PR 0.9 seconds if they brick tank a Gal Logi.
The fact that nobody can fire that fast combined with the fact that it will overheat after ~1.4 (1.7 with Amarr Assault to V) seconds severely limits its actual DPS. If I had to guess, the usually DPS of a Scrambler like that is probably somewhere near 950-1050.

The Scrambler also uses significantly more fitting resources than an AR.

Using this formula [(PGx4)+CPU], we can find the "fitting cost" of any module, weapon, or equipment piece.
This formula assumes that 1PG = 4CPU. This is because most suits have approximately 4x more CPU than they do PG. The Cal Logi and Amarr Logi are exceptions to this.

Imperial SCR: (20x4)+92 = 170
Duvolle AR: (13x4)+94 = 146

As you can see the SCR uses about 20% more fitting resources than the AR.

This doesn't completely reflect my opinion however, as I also believe the SCR does too much damage. I personally think all non-alpha damage weapons should have their damage reduced by 20-25%
Non-Alpha weapons include the AR, the SMG, the AScR, the Mass Driver, the ScR, the ScP, the HMG, the Laser Rifle, the Combat Rifle, and the Rail Rifle.
Alpha weapons include the Sniper Rifle, the Shotgun, the ScR (charge shot), the ScP (headshot), the Plasma Cannon, the Forge Gun, the Swarm Launcher, the Mass Driver (direct hit), and the Nova Knives.
I also think the ScR should have its hipfire cone of fire tightened severely (like the Laser Rifle), so that its is much more difficult to use in close quarters, and its Aim Assist weakened severely a close quarters as well, to make the tightened cone of fire much more evident.

prof5 3 dmg mods with imperial negates everything you say.
when you use or see a max damage imperial the stupid OPness is blatently in your face.
it melts ANY suit in its optimal while being still insane at its effective range with 30% damage.
when its retardedly easy to almost instakill any suit within 70m id say its OP.

the AR at least has consistent damage output and you can take cover. the ScR instakills you even as a heavy.
AR is OP across the board, but the max damage imperial is the god mode gun right now.

Also, if you cant aim with a ScR now and the overheat messes you up, you're straight up garbage at this game. Its retardedly easy to use the ScR now compared to before aim assist was implemented along with improved hit detection.
If you think the ScR takes skill to use now, you're just horrible at aiming.

"To everyone that thinks the Scrambler is OP...."

You must be an Assault Rifle user, or an lolheavy or lolscout.

I can agree with the latter 2, but if you're in the almighty medium suit and you think the Scrambler is OP, have you ever even used it?

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You must be an Assault Rifle user, or an lolheavy or lolscout.


I can agree with the latter 2, but if you're in the almighty medium suit and you think the Scrambler is OP, have you ever even used it?


I was on Manus Peak earlier, climbing the hill at Charlie, and Assault Rifles all the way from Bravo took out half my shields in less than a second.

Yeah ...350 damage dealt over 1 second of firing + 5 seconds of overheat vs 1920 damage dealt + time to reload = balanced ?

Sounds to me everyone would be running AR again.....

I'ts a good thing you learned to duck and sprint glitch early, right? Yet you somehow completely forgot to mention that mechanic here.

I like your style, for example how few months back you were crying that KBM is harder to play than DS3, even before AA. And how you were heroically fighting the uphill battle, being a KBMer and all, because it's so hard to destroy DS3 people with your chosen input method. And now you defend glitched weapon and pretend you're a hot shot, because you shred people with your shiny BPO. Well at least you're consistent.


Yeah, FOTMus tryhardus like you would know.

I hate the ASCR.

Its the 'Scrambler Rifle for scrubs who cant aim too good'.

You must be an Assault Rifle user, or an lolheavy or lolscout.


I can agree with the latter 2, but if you're in the almighty medium suit and you think the Scrambler is OP, have you ever even used it?


I was on Manus Peak earlier, climbing the hill at Charlie, and Assault Rifles all the way from Bravo took out half my shields in less than a second.

prof5 3 dmg mods with imperial negates everything you say.
when you use or see a max damage imperial the stupid OPness is blatently in your face.
it melts ANY suit in its optimal while being still insane at its effective range with 30% damage.
when its retardedly easy to almost instakill any suit within 70m id say its OP.

the AR at least has consistent damage output and you can take cover. the ScR instakills you even as a heavy.
AR is OP across the board, but the max damage imperial is the god mode gun right now.

Also, if you cant aim with a ScR now and the overheat messes you up, you're straight up garbage at this game. Its retardedly easy to use the ScR now compared to before aim assist was implemented along with improved hit detection.
If you think the ScR takes skill to use now, you're just horrible at aiming.

I'm a lolheavy

So.....you think it sucks now?

I am a scrambler rifle user and I call it OP
To be fair, AR is OP too, they're both OP together, just that the SCR is slightly more so.


AR drops your shields in a second?
SCR completely ends you in half the time in the right hands.

Chuck Norris

Some of us people don't use Aim Assissy..i mean....Assist, like every KBM player out there that hasnt yet gone DS3 due to how effective Aim Assist is.

Ive heard from other pro KBM users that with minimal effort are rolling people with it....ill stick to KBM tyvm.

The worst thing to encounter and i realised it too late when i came accross it is Gal Logies with a Core repair tool in their backs, i was literally not doing damage fast enough at range to drop the guy. (He wasnt standing still you know, and the logi kept out of sight at all times), and i only use 1 damage Mod, 2-3 is too much relying on crutch mechanics.

You can say all you want about just kill the logi first, but this was on a map where i could not get close to them and there was still the issue of the Galogi with 3 Damage mods wasting me faster then i could say "H*ly F*ck".

But nearing half the battle i was forced to swap to 3 Damage mods and only then did i manage to kill the guy once, i was the only one of my team (Random team) to go positive with a horrible score of 26/9. Everyone else was in the 4/11 series of bad stats, and i only killed him because he came at me, if he had kept standing on his spot, hed still be invincible.

All he had to do was stand there, strafe left & right a little bit and shoot at anything comming at him, at some point he had hives underneath him and he was way out of range for grenades/Fluxes to touch him to wipe out the hives.

At his peak he would have had 415 Armor Reps per Second....it was rediculous, it took no skill on his part. and on a Domination map to guard the point...


But yeah keep bitching about how OP the SCR is, when theres something completely unkillable incomming.



Using your numbers with 3x Damage mods and a 30% damage reduction the SCR would be left with only 735 ish DPS per second, with only 1.7 seconds of fire that means 1249 damage applied if all shots connect.

The assault rifle while using your match only does 469 with the reduction dps a second but can sustain this DPS for 5 seconds.

Meaning your AR can deal up to 2345 damagein 5 seconds while the SCR can only do 1249 damage, then overheat for 5 seconds.

This is all with 3x damage mods, its much worse without because the SCR benefits better from damage mods due to the high hits, take it away and youll have a much wasted pop gun on a shelf somewhere.

youll be looking at barely having enough rounds to kill someone, its far less for someone not having any skill in the gun or using the amarr suit.

Also making the target reticule smaller for hipfire means, its going to be more precise if your aim is better.

I am not really sure why you agree with this math Tiberius, but if the gun would receive this treatment, theres not gonna be enough gun left to kill something with it.


Templar SCR with no damage mods would be doing 402 DPS for 1.7 seconds or 683 damage before you overheat, that is if you hit everything there is to hit.

Or 350 DPS for someone trying out the gun, because with no skills it will overheat on a second....witch means it would effectivly deal 350 MAX damage.....while a standard AR deals 384 DPS for a whole 5 seconds.

thats still 1920 damage dealt....

Yeah ...350 damage dealt over 1 second of firing + 5 seconds of overheat vs 1920 damage dealt + time to reload = balanced ?

Sounds like your math is off man...

The ASCR would also come out less then unharmed weighing in at 324 dps or 1944 damage after 6 seconds, thats barely doing more damage with a larger clip and 1 seconds more of fire at second 5 it will have dealth 1620 damage.

Sounds to me everyone would be running AR again.....

Day one SCR user chiming in.

The SCR is not OP by any means, what leads people to say it is OP is because they are either....

A) Shield tanking
B) Approaching a SCR wielder incorrectly

The SCR does 120% damage to shields, everything from just "Scrambler Rifle" to the Imperial will absolutely wreck a shield tanker's day. While the SCR only does 80% damage to armor, since the said target is shield tanking, they don't have that much armor anyway so the SCR has no problem tearing through that either leading to people complaining about "insta kills."

The main culprits of complaining about option A are Caldari Assaults, Caldari Logis, and sometimes Minmatar Assaults.

As for the other option, people are complaining about the SCR because as I stated, they approach a SCR user incorrectly. If you stand still and try to fire, or run in a straight line while firing at a SCR user, you're going to have a bad time...chance are he/she as a charged shot waiting to melt your face. I've said this a thousand times - strafing is your key to victory to beating a SCR user. What will happen is either they cannot hit you, or they'll panic, speed their shots up, and then overheat leaving them vulnerable for several seconds while they **CANNOT SPRINT OR CHANGE WEAPONS.** Bottom line, if you lose to a SCR user that has overheated mid gunfight, you just need to delete DUST from your system.

uhh...
I can hit strafing targets with my SCR just fine thanks.
Also, Gallente logis melt too, it only takes an extra shot or two.

I wasn't referencing just you, I was referring to the SCR using community in general. I'd say the vast majority of SCR users cannot hit an enemy that is strafing.

VoV
If you can though there is no stopping you.
And since I can do 24k damage before I overheat, I can take on at least three mediums at the same time.

I take it you're rocking Amarr Assault then.

Name me one gun, name me one single gun, that can't melt heavies with prof 5 and 3 complex damage mods.

People who think the SCR is OP are shield tankers. If you are not an Amarr Assault it is painful to go against armor tanked Gal suits.

I wasn't referencing just you, I was referring to the SCR using community in general. I'd say the vast majority of SCR users cannot hit an enemy that is strafing.

I hate the ASCR.

Its the 'Scrambler Rifle for scrubs who cant aim too good'.

Heh, at least it has recoil.

prof5 3 dmg mods with imperial negates everything you say.
when you use or see a max damage imperial the stupid OPness is blatently in your face.
it melts ANY suit in its optimal while being still insane at its effective range with 30% damage.
when its retardedly easy to almost instakill any suit within 70m id say its OP.

the AR at least has consistent damage output and you can take cover. the ScR instakills you even as a heavy.
AR is OP across the board, but the max damage imperial is the god mode gun right now.

Also, if you cant aim with a ScR now and the overheat messes you up, you're straight up garbage at this game. Its retardedly easy to use the ScR now compared to before aim assist was implemented along with improved hit detection.
If you think the ScR takes skill to use now, you're just horrible at aiming.

Swarm launchers, lolz

prof5 3 dmg mods with imperial negates everything you say.
when you use or see a max damage imperial the stupid OPness is blatently in your face.
it melts ANY suit in its optimal while being still insane at its effective range with 30% damage.
when its retardedly easy to almost instakill any suit within 70m id say its OP.

the AR at least has consistent damage output and you can take cover. the ScR instakills you even as a heavy.
AR is OP across the board, but the max damage imperial is the god mode gun right now.

Also, if you cant aim with a ScR now and the overheat messes you up, you're straight up garbage at this game. Its retardedly easy to use the ScR now compared to before aim assist was implemented along with improved hit detection.
If you think the ScR takes skill to use now, you're just horrible at aiming.

Really?
Because it's 100% vertical and easy to control.

You must be an Assault Rifle user, or an lolheavy or lolscout.


I can agree with the latter 2, but if you're in the almighty medium suit and you think the Scrambler is OP, have you ever even used it?


I was on Manus Peak earlier, climbing the hill at Charlie, and Assault Rifles all the way from Bravo took out half my shields in less than a second.

I hate the AR, ScR, and the AScR.
All of them require no skill, and the TTK on the scrambler is SO DAMN LOW.
Yes I have used the basic scrambler, on my basic minnie scout. **** easy.
Sorry ScR=OP.
Until AA and AA is removed then these all take no skill at all.
It's just a matter of who sees who first.
And if you have proto.

That's what the whole game is about at this stage, IMO.


So, if everything has such a low TTK, then Scramblers are not the most OP, if an AR can out-range and out-damage them.


Scramblers- Have no recoil, have a longer range than AR, have 45 bullets in a clip.

Biggest con- Suffers from overheat.


ARs- Have very little recoil, suffer no overheat, have 60 bullets in a clip.

Biggest con- It doesn't have unlimited ammo.


Please tell me a disadvantage of the AR. I cannot find one.

You forgot massive PG requirments on the Scramblers and more SP investment to use.



On other notes, people saying SCR is OP are just people who are bad at this game.I can beat most Scrambler Rifle ''tourist'' user with a Toxin AR....

If you have never use a scramble rifle, just stop complaining. Everything is op if know how to use it or use it correctly.

That's what the whole game is about at this stage, IMO.


So, if everything has such a low TTK, then Scramblers are not the most OP, if an AR can out-range and out-damage them.


Scramblers- Have no recoil, have a longer range than AR, have 45 bullets in a clip.

Biggest con- Suffers from overheat.


ARs- Have very little recoil, suffer no overheat, have 60 bullets in a clip.

Biggest con- It doesn't have unlimited ammo.


Please tell me a disadvantage of the AR. I cannot find one.

1. Much shorter range than ScR.
2. Much worse sights than ScR (even within optimal range this is a disadvantage).
3. Much lower DPS than ScR (Duvolle - 467.5; Imperial - 931.8).
4. Much less damage per clip than ScR (Duvolle - 2244; Imperial - 3564)
5. Much more limited ammo than ScR (total ammo damage: Duvolle - 11220; Imperial - 17820)

You're welcome.