DUST Search - Shields ever gonna match armor again?

Galvan Nized wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

Stop crying, shields are fine. You have better mobility and they have better recharge compared to armor. So what exactly is your problem? You even have modules that cut the recharge delay down which are low slot modules. So what does amor have? Repairs, plates and damage mods. And dont tell me that precision enhancers for dropsuit scan range are viable.

I'm going to stop you right here. Does anyone compare regen rates as a whole instead of just going 6.25 < 20,or 31?

Compare regen rates as a whole meaning armor rep rate + their inherent shield rep rate (including delay and even limited shield hp) vs shield tankers shield regen (delay included along with the fact they have no inherent armor regen.)

You'll find that armor maintains rep advantage in the short term...something like 16-21 secs for assault if you have 2 complex reppers while shields win in long term. And logi is like 25-30 secs before shields gain the advantage.

Point being is that regen in more muddy than you think.

The amount of mods is a solid issue but armor plates+dmg mods is the BEST build right now.

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DEZKA DIABLO Unkn0wn Killers 41	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:42:00 - [1] - Quote Shields got toned down, now they drop like prom night panties! Unless your caldari, minmatar an amar are way too squishy with armor an shields an gallente are beasts. So instead of nerfing automatic weapons right away, what if they brought back shields to what they were first? I use a sg mostly and knives an I recently switched from minmatar to gallente scout, an the ttk difference is still fast but it totall stands a WAY better chance than a minmatar scout. But before the armor and shield change of power, my mini could last way longer than it does now, plus it's seems like there is no fall off damage difference , 50+ meter s hits me while I'm running an drops me like I'm standing still, gallente how ever stands a better chance at escape an I imagine this is similar with all suits. So if they brought the shield strength back would this be the ttk solution, before weapons are beaten by the nerf hammer?
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 790	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:45:00 - [2] - Quote No, it wouldn't. The Plasma Rifles would still shred the **** out of everything. "I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 87	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:47:00 - [3] - Quote Not to mention that everyone and their mothers are using weapons that destroy shields. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4443	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:00:00 - [4] - Quote Let me tell you a secret. Gallente assault is the worst assault in the game. Gallente Logi is the best SUIT in the game, not even the best logi. Now shove your anti armor bull crap up your ass and tell CCP to nerf logis. I can't fit armor AND damage mods on my assault, I have less armor than most Caldari have shields on my suit. My Logi however, can fit both ridiculous amounts of armor, and have regen, and have 3x complex damage mods. Shields are for short term skirmishes, get in, get out, regen, get in. Armor is to stand your ground, and die on that ground. If you try to do any of that with the non proper tank, you will faill terribly. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 627	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:02:00 - [5] - Quote use weapons that damage armour more. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4443	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:04:00 - [6] - Quote Armor was also buffed, as it was incredibly underpowered. You know what the buff was? +20hp to all plates, and slightly less speed. That's it. Seriously. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1244	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:06:00 - [7] - Quote Maybe shields seem UP now because the two main used weapons in the game (AR and ScR) are designed to destroy shields, the RR and CR come out next month and they both get a bonus Vs armour so you know HTFU adapt or die and all the rest of it. TEST signature please help me think of a better one.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4443	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:08:00 - [8] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Maybe shields seem UP now because the two main used weapons in the game (AR and ScR) are designed to destroy shields, the RR and CR come out next month and they both get a bonus Vs armour so you know HTFU adapt or die and all the rest of it. Indeed, it's the Meta. If you actually do the math and compare Caldari vs Gallente assault, Gallente is actually the weaker suit if weapons did same damage to both shields and armor. However, AR doing +10% and SCR doing +20% turns the tide enough. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
DEZKA DIABLO Unkn0wn Killers 41	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:24:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Let me tell you a secret. Gallente assault is the worst assault in the game. Gallente Logi is the best SUIT in the game, not even the best logi. Now shove your anti armor bull crap up your ass and tell CCP to nerf logis. I can't fit armor AND damage mods on my assault, I have less armor than most Caldari have shields on my suit. My Logi however, can fit both ridiculous amounts of armor, and have regen, and have 3x complex damage mods. Shields are for short term skirmishes, get in, get out, regen, get in. Armor is to stand your ground, and die on that ground. If you try to do any of that with the non proper tank, you will faill terribly. I'm a scout jackass I think u missed the point
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4444	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:28:00 - [10] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Let me tell you a secret. Gallente assault is the worst assault in the game. Gallente Logi is the best SUIT in the game, not even the best logi. Now shove your anti armor bull crap up your ass and tell CCP to nerf logis. I can't fit armor AND damage mods on my assault, I have less armor than most Caldari have shields on my suit. My Logi however, can fit both ridiculous amounts of armor, and have regen, and have 3x complex damage mods. Shields are for short term skirmishes, get in, get out, regen, get in. Armor is to stand your ground, and die on that ground. If you try to do any of that with the non proper tank, you will faill terribly. I'm a scout jackass I think u missed the point That your problem is scout specific and isn't actually about shields and armor? *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*

jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 82	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:31:00 - [11] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Let me tell you a secret. Gallente assault is the worst assault in the game. Gallente Logi is the best SUIT in the game, not even the best logi. Now shove your anti armor bull crap up your ass and tell CCP to nerf logis. I can't fit armor AND damage mods on my assault, I have less armor than most Caldari have shields on my suit. My Logi however, can fit both ridiculous amounts of armor, and have regen, and have 3x complex damage mods. Shields are for short term skirmishes, get in, get out, regen, get in. Armor is to stand your ground, and die on that ground. If you try to do any of that with the non proper tank, you will faill terribly. problem is shields have 0.3 seconds before down, 3.7 second recharge delay, near 35 hp/s poor regen, so it's get in respawn. i did kill 5 ppl cuz of shields though, every fight had 30 shields left, 401 is my current though.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 88	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:33:00 - [12] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Let me tell you a secret. Gallente assault is the worst assault in the game. Gallente Logi is the best SUIT in the game, not even the best logi. Now shove your anti armor bull crap up your ass and tell CCP to nerf logis. I can't fit armor AND damage mods on my assault, I have less armor than most Caldari have shields on my suit. My Logi however, can fit both ridiculous amounts of armor, and have regen, and have 3x complex damage mods. Shields are for short term skirmishes, get in, get out, regen, get in. Armor is to stand your ground, and die on that ground. If you try to do any of that with the non proper tank, you will faill terribly. I'm a scout jackass I think u missed the point That your problem is scout specific and isn't actually about shields and armor? Sorry, DEZKA, but regardless of the suit, Gallentes are the same: Armor tanks. It's just the way it is. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1379	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:33:00 - [13] - Quote Just wait for the rail rifle/combat rifle. More players will be switching back to shields in order to counter these weapons. Shields were the go-to module until uprising hit and then armor slowly creeped in as more players were using the scrambler rifles. With the increase of scramblers and the improvements of both scrambler rifle hit detection/armor hp boost, armor is now the better module. With weapons that deal bonus damage to armor, the shield/armor balance should be better after 1.7 Links: List of Important Topics I make logistics videos!
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 1867	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:33:00 - [14] - Quote Stop crying, shields are fine. You have better mobility and they have better recharge compared to armor. So what exactly is your problem? You even have modules that cut the recharge delay down which are low slot modules. So what does amor have? Repairs, plates and damage mods. And dont tell me that precision enhancers for dropsuit scan range are viable. The gallente philosophy is: -tons of plates, up close in your face with a blaster. The Caldari Philosophy is: -stay far away with mediocore shields and pick them off with sniper weapons or missiles I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2191	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:35:00 - [15] - Quote Shields are fine, you just don't know how to use them. No.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 82	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:40:00 - [16] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Shields are fine, you just don't know how to use them. i do, but AR, ScR spam, crap recharge rate for 3.7 second recharge delay
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4444	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:41:00 - [17] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Shields are fine, you just don't know how to use them. i do, but AR, ScR spam, crap recharge rate for 3.7 second recharge delay 31hp/s is CRAP? What are you smoking? If I fill my low slots with complex armor reps I can't get anywhere near that >_> And ONE module can push it even more, to like 50. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 82	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:47:00 - [18] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Shields are fine, you just don't know how to use them. i do, but AR, ScR spam, crap recharge rate for 3.7 second recharge delay 31hp/s is CRAP? What are you smoking? If I fill my low slots with complex armor reps I can't get anywhere near that >_> And ONE module can push it even more, to like 50. crap for 401 shields and a recharge DEALY, just to get 3 shoted, use your galogi to get 23 hp/s armor regen NO DEALY 500+ armor
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1442	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:50:00 - [19] - Quote I can't wait to see how people complain after the shield extenders.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 285	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:51:00 - [20] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Stop crying, shields are fine. You have better mobility and they have better recharge compared to armor. So what exactly is your problem? You even have modules that cut the recharge delay down which are low slot modules. So what does amor have? Repairs, plates and damage mods. And dont tell me that precision enhancers for dropsuit scan range are viable. I'm going to stop you right here. Does anyone compare regen rates as a whole instead of just going 6.25 < 20,or 31? Compare regen rates as a whole meaning armor rep rate + their inherent shield rep rate (including delay and even limited shield hp) vs shield tankers shield regen (delay included along with the fact they have no inherent armor regen.) You'll find that armor maintains rep advantage in the short term...something like 16-21 secs for assault if you have 2 complex reppers while shields win in long term. And logi is like 25-30 secs before shields gain the advantage. Point being is that regen in more muddy than you think. The amount of mods is a solid issue but armor plates+dmg mods is the BEST build right now.

jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 83	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:52:00 - [21] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: I can't wait to see how people complain after the shield extenders. what you mean?
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4445	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:52:00 - [22] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cat Merc wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Shields are fine, you just don't know how to use them. i do, but AR, ScR spam, crap recharge rate for 3.7 second recharge delay 31hp/s is CRAP? What are you smoking? If I fill my low slots with complex armor reps I can't get anywhere near that >_> And ONE module can push it even more, to like 50. crap for 401 shields and a recharge DEALY, just to get 3 shoted, use your galogi to get 23 hp/s armor regen NO DEALY 500+ armor As I said before and I'll say it again, that's a gal logi thing. My assault can only dream of that. Psst, my assault has 441 armor. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4445	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:53:00 - [23] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Stop crying, shields are fine. You have better mobility and they have better recharge compared to armor. So what exactly is your problem? You even have modules that cut the recharge delay down which are low slot modules. So what does amor have? Repairs, plates and damage mods. And dont tell me that precision enhancers for dropsuit scan range are viable. I'm going to stop you right here. Does anyone compare regen rates as a whole instead of just going 6.25 < 20,or 31? Compare regen rates as a whole meaning armor rep rate + their inherent shield rep rate (including delay and even limited shield hp) vs shield tankers shield regen (delay included along with the fact they have no inherent armor regen.) You'll find that armor maintains rep advantage in the short term...something like 16-21 secs for assault if you have 2 complex reppers while shields win in long term. And logi is like 25-30 secs before shields gain the advantage. Point being is that regen in more muddy than you think. The amount of mods is a solid issue but armor plates+dmg mods is the BEST build right now. "The amount of mods is a solid issue but armor plates+dmg mods is the BEST build right now." For logis. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1442	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:54:00 - [24] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cat Merc wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Shields are fine, you just don't know how to use them. i do, but AR, ScR spam, crap recharge rate for 3.7 second recharge delay 31hp/s is CRAP? What are you smoking? If I fill my low slots with complex armor reps I can't get anywhere near that >_> And ONE module can push it even more, to like 50. crap for 401 shields and a recharge DEALY, just to get 3 shoted, use your galogi to get 23 hp/s armor regen NO DEALY 500+ armor yeah we can get 10 or 12.5 hp on a Assault suit and maybe 500 armour.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4445	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:56:00 - [25] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cat Merc wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Shields are fine, you just don't know how to use them. i do, but AR, ScR spam, crap recharge rate for 3.7 second recharge delay 31hp/s is CRAP? What are you smoking? If I fill my low slots with complex armor reps I can't get anywhere near that >_> And ONE module can push it even more, to like 50. crap for 401 shields and a recharge DEALY, just to get 3 shoted, use your galogi to get 23 hp/s armor regen NO DEALY 500+ armor yeah we can get 10 or 12.5 hp on a Assault suit and maybe 500 armour on a assault suit. Lower if we actually use more than one damage mod. (Which Caldari can already do without losing too much) *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 83	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:57:00 - [26] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cat Merc wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Shields are fine, you just don't know how to use them. i do, but AR, ScR spam, crap recharge rate for 3.7 second recharge delay 31hp/s is CRAP? What are you smoking? If I fill my low slots with complex armor reps I can't get anywhere near that >_> And ONE module can push it even more, to like 50. crap for 401 shields and a recharge DEALY, just to get 3 shoted, use your galogi to get 23 hp/s armor regen NO DEALY 500+ armor As I said before and I'll say it again, that's a gal logi thing. My assault can only dream of that. Psst, my assault has 441 armor. you have shields and armor regen, LOLscr 3 shots any good shield fit it 0.2 seconds, regen dont do sh!t, armor wins everytime at 50 meters, gayly
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1443	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:59:00 - [27] - Quote ^and mass drivers mess up armour.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4447	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:59:00 - [28] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: you have shields and armor regen, LOLscr 3 shots any good shield fit it 0.2 seconds, regen dont do sh!t, armor wins everytime at 50 meters, gayly "you have shields and armor regen" Uhh... What's your point, if according to you regen don't do **. "LOLscr 3 shots any good shield fit it 0.2 seconds" Hmm... An anti shield weapon effective against shields. Yup, totally a problem. Psst, SCR melts armor fast too. "Regen don't do " I concur, 50 hp/s on my Caldari Assault is really useful. Go behind cover, get 50hp/s for 4 seconds, pop out and destroy surprised enemy. "Armor wins everytime at 50 meters" Huh? Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant Beta Vet Level 4 Forum Warrior**
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 83	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:06:00 - [29] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: you have shields and armor regen, LOLscr 3 shots any good shield fit it 0.2 seconds, regen dont do sh!t, armor wins everytime at 50 meters, gayly "you have shields and armor regen" Uhh... What's your point, if according to you regen don't do **. only for shields "LOLscr 3 shots any good shield fit it 0.2 seconds" Hmm... An anti shield weapon effective against shields. Yup, totally a problem. it's TOO strong Psst, SCR melts armor fast too. in 10+shots, shields is 3 at any range, 3's a bit much for spamibility "Regen don't do **" I concur, 50 hp/s on my Caldari Assault how? whats your shield total, adv suit?..is really useful. Go behind cover, get 50hp/s for 4 seconds, pop out and destroy surprised enemy. "Armor wins everytime at 50 meters" with ar's vs lasers Huh?
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4447	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:12:00 - [30] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cat Merc wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: you have shields and armor regen, LOLscr 3 shots any good shield fit it 0.2 seconds, regen dont do sh!t, armor wins everytime at 50 meters, gayly "you have shields and armor regen" Uhh... What's your point, if according to you regen don't do **. only for shields "LOLscr 3 shots any good shield fit it 0.2 seconds" Hmm... An anti shield weapon effective against shields. Yup, totally a problem. it's TOO strong Psst, SCR melts armor fast too. in 10+shots, shields is 3 at any range, 3's a bit much for spamibility "Regen don't do " I concur, 50 hp/s on my Caldari Assault how? whats your shield total, adv suit?..is really useful. Go behind cover, get 50hp/s for 4 seconds, pop out and destroy surprised enemy. "Armor wins everytime at 50 meters" with ar's vs lasers Huh? "Only for shields"? Tell me, how much will 6hp/s help in battle? "TOO strong" So use the Combat rifle, anti armor weapon that will melt armor. Does 630 DPS. "In 10+ shots" LOL no, I'm an SCR user, armor survives an extra shot. "How? What's your shield total?" 440 HP "Armor wins everytime at 50 meters" AR's and lasers are both anti shield, so what did you expect? Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant Beta Vet Level 4 Forum Warrior**



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