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Posted - 2013.11.16 12:00:00 -
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Let me tell you a secret.
Gallente assault is the worst assault in the game.
Gallente Logi is the best SUIT in the game, not even the best logi.
Now shove your anti armor bull crap up your ass and tell CCP to nerf logis.
I can't fit armor AND damage mods on my assault, I have less armor than most Caldari have shields on my suit.
My Logi however, can fit both ridiculous amounts of armor, and have regen, and have 3x complex damage mods.
Shields are for short term skirmishes, get in, get out, regen, get in.
Armor is to stand your ground, and die on that ground.
If you try to do any of that with the non proper tank, you will faill terribly.
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Posted - 2013.11.16 12:04:00 -
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Armor was also buffed, as it was incredibly underpowered.
You know what the buff was?
+20hp to all plates, and slightly less speed.
That's it.
Seriously.
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Posted - 2013.11.16 12:08:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Maybe shields seem UP now because the two main used weapons in the game (AR and ScR) are designed to destroy shields, the RR and CR come out next month and they both get a bonus Vs armour so you know HTFU adapt or die and all the rest of it.
Indeed, it's the Meta.
If you actually do the math and compare Caldari vs Gallente assault, Gallente is actually the weaker suit if weapons did same damage to both shields and armor.
However, AR doing +10% and SCR doing +20% turns the tide enough.
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Posted - 2013.11.16 12:28:00 -
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DEZKA DIABLO wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Let me tell you a secret.
Gallente assault is the worst assault in the game.
Gallente Logi is the best SUIT in the game, not even the best logi.
Now shove your anti armor bull crap up your ass and tell CCP to nerf logis.
I can't fit armor AND damage mods on my assault, I have less armor than most Caldari have shields on my suit.
My Logi however, can fit both ridiculous amounts of armor, and have regen, and have 3x complex damage mods.
Shields are for short term skirmishes, get in, get out, regen, get in.
Armor is to stand your ground, and die on that ground.
If you try to do any of that with the non proper tank, you will faill terribly. I'm a scout jackass I think u missed the point
That your problem is scout specific and isn't actually about shields and armor?
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Posted - 2013.11.16 12:41:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Shields are fine, you just don't know how to use them. i do, but AR, ScR spam, crap recharge rate for 3.7 second recharge delay
31hp/s is CRAP?
What are you smoking?
If I fill my low slots with complex armor reps I can't get anywhere near that >_>
And ONE module can push it even more, to like 50.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Cat Merc wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Shields are fine, you just don't know how to use them. i do, but AR, ScR spam, crap recharge rate for 3.7 second recharge delay 31hp/s is CRAP? What are you smoking? If I fill my low slots with complex armor reps I can't get anywhere near that >_> And ONE module can push it even more, to like 50. crap for 401 shields and a recharge DEALY, just to get 3 shoted, use your galogi to get 23 hp/s armor regen NO DEALY 500+ armor
As I said before and I'll say it again, that's a gal logi thing.
My assault can only dream of that.
Psst, my assault has 441 armor.
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Galvan Nized wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Stop crying, shields are fine. You have better mobility and they have better recharge compared to armor. So what exactly is your problem? You even have modules that cut the recharge delay down which are low slot modules. So what does amor have? Repairs, plates and damage mods. And dont tell me that precision enhancers for dropsuit scan range are viable. I'm going to stop you right here. Does anyone compare regen rates as a whole instead of just going 6.25 < 20,or 31? Compare regen rates as a whole meaning armor rep rate + their inherent shield rep rate (including delay and even limited shield hp) vs shield tankers shield regen (delay included along with the fact they have no inherent armor regen.) You'll find that armor maintains rep advantage in the short term...something like 16-21 secs for assault if you have 2 complex reppers while shields win in long term. And logi is like 25-30 secs before shields gain the advantage. Point being is that regen in more muddy than you think. The amount of mods is a solid issue but armor plates+dmg mods is the BEST build right now.
"The amount of mods is a solid issue but armor plates+dmg mods is the BEST build right now."
For logis.
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Posted - 2013.11.16 12:56:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Cat Merc wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Shields are fine, you just don't know how to use them. i do, but AR, ScR spam, crap recharge rate for 3.7 second recharge delay 31hp/s is CRAP? What are you smoking? If I fill my low slots with complex armor reps I can't get anywhere near that >_> And ONE module can push it even more, to like 50. crap for 401 shields and a recharge DEALY, just to get 3 shoted, use your galogi to get 23 hp/s armor regen NO DEALY 500+ armor yeah we can get 10 or 12.5 hp on a Assault suit and maybe 500 armour on a assault suit.
Lower if we actually use more than one damage mod. (Which Caldari can already do without losing too much)
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Posted - 2013.11.16 12:59:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:
you have shields and armor regen, LOLscr 3 shots any good shield fit it 0.2 seconds, regen dont do sh!t, armor wins everytime at 50 meters, gayly
"you have shields and armor regen"
Uhh... What's your point, if according to you regen don't do ****.
"LOLscr 3 shots any good shield fit it 0.2 seconds"
Hmm... An anti shield weapon effective against shields.
Yup, totally a problem.
Psst, SCR melts armor fast too.
"Regen don't do ****"
I concur, 50 hp/s on my Caldari Assault is really useful.
Go behind cover, get 50hp/s for 4 seconds, pop out and destroy surprised enemy.
"Armor wins everytime at 50 meters"
Huh?
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Posted - 2013.11.16 13:12:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Cat Merc wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:
you have shields and armor regen, LOLscr 3 shots any good shield fit it 0.2 seconds, regen dont do sh!t, armor wins everytime at 50 meters, gayly
"you have shields and armor regen" Uhh... What's your point, if according to you regen don't do ****. only for shields "LOLscr 3 shots any good shield fit it 0.2 seconds" Hmm... An anti shield weapon effective against shields. Yup, totally a problem. it's TOO strong Psst, SCR melts armor fast too. in 10+shots, shields is 3 at any range, 3's a bit much for spamibility "Regen don't do ****" I concur, 50 hp/s on my Caldari Assault how? whats your shield total, adv suit?..is really useful. Go behind cover, get 50hp/s for 4 seconds, pop out and destroy surprised enemy. "Armor wins everytime at 50 meters" with ar's vs lasers Huh?
"Only for shields"?
Tell me, how much will 6hp/s help in battle?
"TOO strong"
So use the Combat rifle, anti armor weapon that will melt armor.
Does 630 DPS.
"In 10+ shots"
LOL no, I'm an SCR user, armor survives an extra shot.
"How? What's your shield total?"
440 HP
"Armor wins everytime at 50 meters"
AR's and lasers are both anti shield, so what did you expect?
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Posted - 2013.11.16 13:25:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Cat Merc wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:[quote=Cat Merc][quote=jerrmy12 kahoalii]
you have shields and armor regen, LOLscr 3 shots any good shield fit it 0.2 seconds, regen dont do sh!t, armor wins everytime at 50 meters, gayly "you have shields and armor regen" Uhh... What's your point, if according to you regen don't do ****. only for shields "LOLscr 3 shots any "Only for shields"? Tell me, how much will 6hp/s help in battle? gal has higher shield regen, ps stop using 1 repper, use 2, shields use 2 regulators "TOO strong" So use the Combat rifle, anti armor weapon that will melt armor. Does 630 DPS. "In 10+ shots" LOL no, I'm an SCR user, armor survives an extra shot. more than 5, i use it, its around 5 "How? What's your shield total?" 440 HP adv or pro suit? "Armor wins everytime at 50 meters" AR's and lasers are both anti shield, so what did you expect? blaster tech not be so op, its close range vs long range.
" gal has higher shield regen, ps stop using 1 repper, use 2, shields use 2 regulators"
Gal has lower shield regen, check the stats again.
Also, I can't fit a second repper >_>
I'll have to downgrade to enhanced reppers, and if I put two of those that gives me 7.5 hp/s.
"more than 5, i use it, its around 5"
Hmm... No.
My SCR does 102 damage.
Shields get -20% resistance, so it's 120 damage against shields~
Armor gets +20% resistance, so it's 80 damage against armor~
500 shields / 120 = 4.1
500 armor / 80 = 6.25
At the fire rate of those, that means the difference is almost impossible to notice inside battle.
"440 HP adv or pro suit?"
Proto suit, my Gal Assault proto has +1 HP.
"blaster tech not be so op, its close range vs long range"
Uhh...
AR effective range is 70m~.
Rail Rifle effective range is 100~.
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Posted - 2013.11.16 13:27:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:DEZKA DIABLO wrote:Shields got toned down, now they drop like prom night panties! Unless your caldari, minmatar an amar are way too squishy with armor an shields an gallente are beasts.
So instead of nerfing automatic weapons right away, what if they brought back shields to what they were first?
I use a sg mostly and knives an I recently switched from minmatar to gallente scout, an the ttk difference is still fast but it totall stands a WAY better chance than a minmatar scout.
But before the armor and shield change of power, my mini could last way longer than it does now, plus it's seems like there is no fall off damage difference , 50+ meter s hits me while I'm running an drops me like I'm standing still, gallente how ever stands a better chance at escape an I imagine this is similar with all suits.
So if they brought the shield strength back would this be the ttk solution, before weapons are beaten by the nerf hammer? I'm a minmatar assault. you're over-reacting. The so called inbalance between armor and shield atm is mostly due to some details, not a major balance issue: - Some logis being able to combine huge armor amount and repair rate - Explosives\hybrid weapons (locus, MD, even AR) doing too much damage to shield compared to what shield oriented weapons do to armors (flux, SR) But overall, shield\armor balance is better atm than it ever was during Dust's life
"- Explosives\hybrid weapons (locus, MD, even AR) doing too much damage to shield compared to what shield oriented weapons do to armors (flux, SR) "
Uhh... How so.
Armor gets -30% resistance to explosives, but shields get +30% resistance.
The only weapon that actually breaks that balance is the flux. VoV
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Posted - 2013.11.16 13:54:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Cat Merc wrote:[quote=jerrmy12 kahoalii][quote=Cat Merc] gal has higher shield regen, ps stop using 1 repper, use 2, shields use 2 regulators" Gal has lower shield regen, check the stats again. srry Also, I can't fit a second repper >_> that sux I'll have to downgrade to enhanced reppers, and if I put two of those that gives me 7.5 hp/s. sacrifice weapon/high slot? use a AR? eh, i can only use std energiser on my suit with 2x pro extenders, 2 adv regulators, lvl 3 cpu skill "more than 5, i use it, its around 5" Hmm.. No. My SCR does 102 damage. thats KINDA op At the fire rate of those, that means the difference is almost impossible to notice inside battle. kinda true "440 HP adv or pro suit?" Proto suit, my Gal Assault proto has +1 HP. both assaults need buffs "blaster tech not be so op, its close range vs long range" Uhh... AR effective range is 70m~. damm thats op, its blaster tech, as in close range
So what if it's blaster tech?
70m IS close range, considering the rail rifle will do 100m, while keeping same DPS >_>.
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Posted - 2013.11.16 13:55:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Shields are fine, you just don't know how to use them. i do, but AR, ScR spam, crap recharge rate for 3.7 second recharge delay That pretty much demonstrates my point. i know how, even at range, around corners, expose myself for 0.3 seconds, boom shield almost gone, 2 shots from me fired, take cover, rinse til death, happens alot
Happens to armor users too ya know...
TTK has been reduced, you aren't the only one suffering.
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