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jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 84	Posted - 2013.11.16 23:58:00 - [61] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cat Merc wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Shields are fine, you just don't know how to use them. i do, but AR, ScR spam, crap recharge rate for 3.7 second recharge delay 31hp/s is CRAP? What are you smoking? If I fill my low slots with complex armor reps I can't get anywhere near that >_> And ONE module can push it even more, to like 50. crap for 401 shields and a recharge DEALY, just to get 3 shoted, use your galogi to get 23 hp/s armor regen NO DEALY 500+ armor Please show me a Gallogi fit with over 500 armour that gets 23 HP/s and isn't completely ********. 3x complex reps 2x complex plates gek or dubvole damage mods or complex extenders
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5116	Posted - 2013.11.17 00:05:00 - [62] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: 3x complex reps 2x complex plates gek or dubvole damage mods or complex extenders Have you actually tried to fit what you've just suggested? Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 84	Posted - 2013.11.17 00:08:00 - [63] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: 3x complex reps 2x complex plates gek or dubvole damage mods or complex extenders Have you actually tried to fit what you've just suggested? proto galogi with lvl3 engineering, but you dont need complex extenders, basic, none, or damage mods, or replace 1 complex plate with adv one
Zatara Rought Imperfects 1683	Posted - 2013.11.17 00:18:00 - [64] - Quote Must....not...comment.... That's Master nader to you scrub. Skype me @ Zatara.Rought CCP's Motto: "SoonGäó"
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 84	Posted - 2013.11.17 00:22:00 - [65] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Must....not...comment.... good..good...let the comment flow through you, join the comment side......
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5118	Posted - 2013.11.17 00:35:00 - [66] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: 3x complex reps 2x complex plates gek or dubvole damage mods or complex extenders Have you actually tried to fit what you've just suggested? proto galogi with lvl3 engineering, but you dont need complex extenders, basic, none, or damage mods, or replace 1 complex plate with adv one So... Either you don't have the 500+ armour, or you don't have the damage mods/shield extenders. That's not really what you said. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1950	Posted - 2013.11.17 00:54:00 - [67] - Quote My shield skills are maxed across the board and I have a Calogi proto. I don't even use it unless it's got at least two enhanced plates. I won't take anyone serious that's complaining about the armor buff not being significant enough. I think shields would be good but damage just seems to be damage now. The specific damage types need to standout significantly more. I remember when you had to flux people with a MD. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 136	Posted - 2013.11.17 01:07:00 - [68] - Quote Caldari assaults do good, but the biggest op part of armor is dmg mods Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Dust should add open world , kinda like arma!
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 289	Posted - 2013.11.17 02:57:00 - [69] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Shield is hit and run / shoot and scoot Armor is stand and deliver Different play styles, I think it makes for diversified gameplay, plus our anti armor weapons are coming out soon. Shields are NOT hit and run. Again armor maintains rep advantage in the short term not shields. Shields do get a mobility advantage (albeit doing much less damage) but you know that means way less than it used to. Listen I think shields v armor is the most balanced its ever been but I think there is room for improvement as both sides have something the other wants.
Cosgar ParagonX 7821	Posted - 2013.11.17 05:48:00 - [70] - Quote -Change shield recharge rate from 1 second to 0.5 seconds. -Buff extenders to 33/66/99 across the tiers with a penalty of 3/5/10% recharge delay. -Reduce every suit's base shield delay and depleted delay by 2 seconds. There, I just fixed pure shield tanking for you. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"

jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 89	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:00:00 - [71] - Quote Cosgar wrote: -Change shield recharge rate from 1 second to 0.5 seconds. -Buff extenders to 33/66/99 across the tiers with a penalty of 3/5/10% recharge delay. -Reduce every suit's base shield delay and depleted delay by 2 seconds. increase shield regulator effectiveness by 20/30/35% and change base caldari assault regen to 30 There, I just fixed pure shield tanking for you.
Cosgar ParagonX 7824	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:31:00 - [72] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cosgar wrote: -Change shield recharge rate from 1 second to 0.5 seconds. -Buff extenders to 33/66/99 across the tiers with a penalty of 3/5/10% recharge delay. -Reduce every suit's base shield delay and depleted delay by 2 seconds. increase shield regulator effectiveness by 20/30/35% and change base caldari assault regen to 30 There, I just fixed pure shield tanking for you. Only if Minmatar assault's base recharge gets buffed to 25. Regulators are fine as is. Any higher base stats and the CaLogi would become OP again. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 91	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:33:00 - [73] - Quote Cosgar wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cosgar wrote: -Change shield recharge rate from 1 second to 0.5 seconds. -Buff extenders to 33/66/99 across the tiers with a penalty of 3/5/10% recharge delay. -Reduce every suit's base shield delay and depleted delay by 2 seconds. increase shield regulator effectiveness by 20/30/35% and change base caldari assault regen to 30 There, I just fixed pure shield tanking for you. Only if Minmatar assault's base recharge gets buffed to 25. Regulators are fine as is. Any higher base stats and the CaLogi would become OP again. sure, anything to make shields viable
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 91	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:54:00 - [74] - Quote Cosgar wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cosgar wrote: -Change shield recharge rate from 1 second to 0.5 seconds. -Buff extenders to 33/66/99 across the tiers with a penalty of 3/5/10% recharge delay. -Reduce every suit's base shield delay and depleted delay by 2 seconds. increase shield regulator effectiveness by 20/30/35% and change base caldari assault regen to 30 There, I just fixed pure shield tanking for you. Only if Minmatar assault's base recharge gets buffed to 25. Regulators are fine as is. Any higher base stats and the CaLogi would become OP again. im talking about caldari assault
Cosgar ParagonX 7826	Posted - 2013.11.17 06:58:00 - [75] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cosgar wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cosgar wrote: -Change shield recharge rate from 1 second to 0.5 seconds. -Buff extenders to 33/66/99 across the tiers with a penalty of 3/5/10% recharge delay. -Reduce every suit's base shield delay and depleted delay by 2 seconds. increase shield regulator effectiveness by 20/30/35% and change base caldari assault regen to 30 There, I just fixed pure shield tanking for you. Only if Minmatar assault's base recharge gets buffed to 25. Regulators are fine as is. Any higher base stats and the CaLogi would become OP again. im talking about caldari assault I know, but the CaLogi's bonus and slot layout would make it pretty ridiculous with our combined proposed changes. -35% delay with the regulator skill, their racial bonus, a pair of complex regulators and energizers could practically keep the suit at full shields. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 91	Posted - 2013.11.17 07:06:00 - [76] - Quote Cosgar wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cosgar wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cosgar wrote: -Change shield recharge rate from 1 second to 0.5 seconds. -Buff extenders to 33/66/99 across the tiers with a penalty of 3/5/10% recharge delay. -Reduce every suit's base shield delay and depleted delay by 2 seconds. increase shield regulator effectiveness by 20/30/35% and change base caldari assault regen to 30 There, I just fixed pure shield tanking for you. Only if Minmatar assault's base recharge gets buffed to 25. Regulators are fine as is. Any higher base stats and the CaLogi would become OP again. im talking about caldari assault I know, but the CaLogi's bonus and slot layout would make it pretty ridit full shields. only slots get changeed, gal and cal assault gal removes 5% shield regen, gets 1 hp/s skill from logi, has 5 lows, cal assault is viable, keeps its bonus, quickly typed
Cosgar ParagonX 7829	Posted - 2013.11.17 07:24:00 - [77] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: only slots get changeed, gal and cal assault gal removes 5% shield regen, gets 1 hp/s skill from logi, has 5 lows, cal assault is viable, keeps its bonus, quickly typed Kind of defeats the purpose of the GaLass and GaLogi dynamic. Once hybrid sidearms and grenades come out, (with maybe a slight CPU/PG buff) the GaLass would be marginally better since they can fit better quality weapons. If CCP fixes the tagging system they use for suit bonuses to do what I think they're doing, it would probably get a better armor specific suit bonus to make it more defined as an offensive class over the logi while the logi keeps its needed survivability. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 347	Posted - 2013.11.17 07:36:00 - [78] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Shields got toned down, now they drop like prom night panties! Unless your caldari, minmatar an amar are way too squishy with armor an shields an gallente are beasts. So instead of nerfing automatic weapons right away, what if they brought back shields to what they were first? I use a sg mostly and knives an I recently switched from minmatar to gallente scout, an the ttk difference is still fast but it totall stands a WAY better chance than a minmatar scout. But before the armor and shield change of power, my mini could last way longer than it does now, plus it's seems like there is no fall off damage difference , 50+ meter s hits me while I'm running an drops me like I'm standing still, gallente how ever stands a better chance at escape an I imagine this is similar with all suits. So if they brought the shield strength back would this be the ttk solution, before weapons are beaten by the nerf hammer? Shields weren't nerfed, improved hit detection and weapon stats balanced around poor hit detection has made TTK so low that health is virtually irrelevant. Shield don't need a buff, certain weapons need to be toned down to make health relevant again. Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Cosgar ParagonX 7829	Posted - 2013.11.17 07:47:00 - [79] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Shields weren't nerfed, improved hit detection and weapon stats balanced around poor hit detection has made TTK so low that health is virtually irrelevant. Shield don't need a buff, certain weapons need to be toned down to make health relevant again. Shields always sucked, that's why they're at such a disadvantage now. Armor just made it look better by comparison. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
General Erick Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 175	Posted - 2013.11.17 23:44:00 - [80] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: General Erick wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Shields got toned down, now they drop like prom night panties! Unless your caldari, minmatar an amar are way too squishy with armor an shields an gallente are beasts. So instead of nerfing automatic weapons right away, what if they brought back shields to what they were first? I use a sg mostly and knives an I recently switched from minmatar to gallente scout, an the ttk difference is still fast but it totall stands a WAY better chance than a minmatar scout. But before the armor and shield change of power, my mini could last way longer than it does now, plus it's seems like there is no fall off damage difference , 50+ meter s hits me while I'm running an drops me like I'm standing still, gallente how ever stands a better chance at escape an I imagine this is similar with all suits. So if they brought the shield strength back would this be the ttk solution, before weapons are beaten by the nerf hammer? I went to prom and there were no panties dropping, idk what you have been going to. You got no game Nah, I have Gentleman's Skills Fatbros for life! Stand against the oppression that is AR, and fight! Just my two ISKlets.



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