I watched a video where they said they wanted to rid the game of all BPOs (yea I'm talking about what you own). Did I hear this wrong?

Yes, you heard wrong.

@OP
This message is coming from someone that runs Prototype suits in every game. BPOs of anything more than STD gear is bad for the economy. It would completely invalidate the open market concept that CCP hopes to someday implement. I can run Prototype suits all day, in every match, because I have a KDR high enough to support the loss of a few suits each match, and going agsint other people in prototype gear means I earn more ISK per match. Best ISK payment from an Ambush match was around 900,000 ISK. None of my WPs came from Vehicle destruction, btw.

There are definitely people that can only afford to run prototype suits as often as I do because they have big fat corp wallets that came from PC and they earn their ISK from PC, but this is a horrible Idea. Don't use what you can't afford to lose. That's the concept that drives an economy. Right now we can only buy things from NPC, but if we ever want there to be player-trading and DUST to EVE transaction, we cannot have any more BPOs than we currently do.

Yes, you heard wrong.

@OP
This message is coming from someone that runs Prototype suits in every game. BPOs of anything more than STD gear is bad for the economy. It would completely invalidate the open market concept that CCP hopes to someday implement. I can run Prototype suits all day, in every match, because I have a KDR high enough to support the loss of a few suits each match, and going agsint other people in prototype gear means I earn more ISK per match. Best ISK payment from an Ambush match was around 900,000 ISK. None of my WPs came from Vehicle destruction, btw.

There are definitely people that can only afford to run prototype suits as often as I do because they have big fat corp wallets that came from PC and they earn their ISK from PC, but this is a horrible Idea. Don't use what you can't afford to lose. That's the concept that drives an economy. Right now we can only buy things from NPC, but if we ever want there to be player-trading and DUST to EVE transaction, we cannot have any more BPOs than we currently do.

Risk is irrelevant here. The notion that risk is a defining factor over experiencing the fullness of the game is rediculous. Thinking about the isk you are losing...while losing a match/diminishedkdr/win loss% is redundant. This game is a competition and incorporating an economy that not only detracts from the over all ecperience but hinders it is pointless. People play to win in any other game. People play for isk here. That seems right to you guys?

Risk is irrelevant here. The notion that risk is a defining factor over experiencing the fullness of the game is rediculous. Thinking about the isk you are losing...while losing a match/diminishedkdr/win loss% is redundant. This game is a competition and incorporating an economy that not only detracts from the over all ecperience but hinders it is pointless. People play to win in any other game. People play for isk here. That seems right to you guys?

Risk is irrelevant here. The notion that risk is a defining factor over experiencing the fullness of the game is rediculous. Thinking about the isk you are losing...while losing a match/diminishedkdr/win loss% is redundant. This game is a competition and incorporating an economy that not only detracts from the over all ecperience but hinders it is pointless. People play to win in any other game. People play for isk here. That seems right to you guys?

If you made bpo's of proto gear (excluding vehicles) you would allow people to get incredibly more involved with pc.

All that extra isk could fund an entirely new aspect of pc and substance to the merc mentality.

Guys could buy districts once a week. individuals could buy districts and actually pay corps to defend.

As some one who is pretty much over getting pubstomped, I can speak for many players. A lot of people are over pub stomps, but there are many (if not the vast majority of) corps that do not own and could not defend if they did own districts.

That is not the point of a corp or the game.
Increasing fw does not solve pc. It does not solve the isk problem attached to every single aspect of the game. It is not pay to win. It is pay to own. I personally killed proto guys with duvolles in a militia suit and base ar. This game is about squad base tactics. But for many there is no real fruit to playing well or swuading up because of the immense amount of isk required for even 1 pc.

Also the head corps are always full proto anyways because of the isk generated from all their districts.

Time to shake things up with more than updates and new content. Improve existing content and player experience.

This is why I think they are getting rid of the BPOs eventually. To stimulate the economy, possibly. While you might not agree with HyenaKiller and his ideas, the basis of his point is true. There is stagnation. The community is partly to blame for it. Things need to be shaken up a bit. It's like everyone is going to their assigned seats. There's no significant changing of the guard besides "elite" corporations forming and disbanding. Other than that, nothing much happens.

You're trying to make Dust into CoD where there's no risk to your stuff. We understand you're just trying to make life easier for the little guy - but it's not going to happen at the cost of the only really interesting part of this game - risk vs reward.

Not to mention BPO Proto is very very close to Pay to Win.

You cant pay to win here. And last I checked cod wasnt doing to shabby. Think about all the the options this game is going to have. Think about the timeframe in which an average player will acheive everything presented to him. Reliance on isk alone is a detriment. It is a fundimental flaw.

Average dust experience: hanging in there pubstomp after pub stomp joining corps that dont last or cant afford pc or even defend if they could basically having to compensate by specing into different fotm to pass time and spice things up.

This game (even with boosters) has a very long time line. With the fact that you cant really do all the things with suits you wait for ever to get that you cant use all the time anyways is a flawed concept.

You cant pay to win here. And last I checked cod wasnt doing to shabby. Think about all the the options this game is going to have. Think about the timeframe in which an average player will acheive everything presented to him. Reliance on isk alone is a detriment. It is a fundimental flaw.

Average dust experience: hanging in there pubstomp after pub stomp joining corps that dont last or cant afford pc or even defend if they could basically having to compensate by specing into different fotm to pass time and spice things up.

This game (even with boosters) has a very long time line. With the fact that you cant really do all the things with suits you wait for ever to get that you cant use all the time anyways is a flawed concept.

Isk stops people from playing stupid?

Brothers let us reason(laughing to myself)

This game can not be pay to win. You have to earn sp period. What is so appealing about a player based economy outside the fact if I want proto gear ill have to sell salvage. ill have to sacrifice salvage. Thus I am prompted to make yet another sacrifice(outside suit spec limititions vs available spectrum) instead of getting exactly what I have earned and desired promptly. it is not compensation to have player based economy, it is a diversion of the entirely false accusation of pay to win.

There is no way people are getting the most of their time invested with this current system. People are not getting what they want. There is no greater trophy than skill. Kdr, win loss % community rek.own. There is nothing greater in any game than that. Let me ask you this. On behalf of the vast majority: hows the tour going? Lots of cool stops? See evsrything there was to see? Ready for the mext level?

Allen Iverson said it besy: cant buy a jump shot.

don't care about kd, that's for cod fanbois like yourself, the player run market will make dust the very 1st fps game in gamer history to have a completely player run market for the items like its older brother eve has had for 10 years and counting.

whats so appealing about having another run and gun game with out thinking or using intellect to get ahead? all your saying is that you want dust 514 to become full on call of duty in space. go back to middle school kid

Dude I am anti war. I have not played cod or bf 1 time. I also dont find the player market that appealing in light of the salvage drop % vs isk pay out via pubstomp. Player markets are something people tired of playing games do. Player markets are not the reason people play or stay. if kdr isnt a big deal ( please dude) why does everyone set up aly email accounts so the can make new dust accounts? Why do corps set conditions involving kdr but not win loss %?


And please change your tone. I have spent 100$ and will spend more because I genuinely love this game. I play atleast 20 matches 5 days aweek.

My point is the game itself is fine but reward more. People want more from their time and money. Give it to them. greatly diminish the proto edge. Dimish the isk edge. Encourage personal expansion and investment in dust 514.

Stop with the cod comparisons. Stop with the pay to win dodging. You want pay to win go check out dark orbit. Find one comparison between dist and dark orbit.

Proto BPOs are pay to win - period. Proto's are suppose to be balanced out by a degree because running it at full capacity is costly. What cost is there if it's infinite? Just because you need to spend some time gaining the SP to use the gear doesn't make it any less pay to win. It would also mean killing a proto guy brings less satisfaction - you didn't just take a proto suit form him - he's got infinite.

You're reasoning about player market is also strange - why not go try out CoD or BF if you haven't played them? Would seem more like your cup of tea then this game. In those game you pay to enjoy - this game is free, the enjoyment comes from what you can get from it's uniqueness.

Glad you enjoy the game so much - but the player market is an extremely important aspect of this game. Without it - it's just another lobby shooter.

I dont know about anyone else but this is my first fps online multiplayer. Now im nothing special but I am hardcore about competition.

The player market means absolutely nothing if I dont have salvage or isk. How does the player market keep you competitive?

Why do I care about a player market when in the 6 months ive been here I havent pc'd 1 time?

How is it that having less for long periods of time against better equipped, better skilled Is a "draw"? You mean to tell me ccp is actially selling that verbetum? Ide say no they are not.

The reality is if cod and bf4 were so awesome dust would be gone. But they arent and dust is here. But I can download a "shop keeper" app for my phone somewhere if I wanted a sales game. I dont. I want to shoot people and take territories and be part of epic battles.

give me more for my time. Give me more fore my money. Give me a competitive shot. As an individual give me access to everything. Let me earn victory, not isk.

There is no way in hell bpo proto is pay to win. If anything in this game it levels the playing feild. That doesnt scare me at all.

answer to your question:

call of duty is your type of game, do not try to make dust 514 a game everyone will abandon because you don't understand why its core concepts make it unique.

go play call of duty, youl have a better time there since everything is free and everyone has access to all weapons like its nothing (it really is nothing).

if your anti-war then what the **** are you doing here?

and if youv never even played in 1 pc battle, nobody here will take you remotely seriously.