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THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 535	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:21:00 - [1] - Quote We'll see how the other rifles compete when they're released, but with the ScR getting a range buff as well theres a high chance the ScR will remain king. The ScRs usage has skyrocketed and is now almost as common as the vanilla AR while being EVEN better than the AR. Its an incredible feat to be sure seeing as how everyone also armor tanks. But the extremely effective hipfire, the INSANE damage output, the ease of use, the range, and the usefulness off both variants has shot the ScR straight to the top now that hit detection is decent. The ScR stacks great with dmg mods and prof, but is great even without them just like the AR. Due to it being able to instantly kill protos and heavies with ease at any range its effective(close,medium,and far) as well as having a range able to outclass ARs and most other weapons. This range is amazing as it covers the distance of many outdoors firefight hotspots that the AR falls just short of. The ScRs effectiveness compared to the AR is still debatable, seeing as how the AR is many times more reliable without the overheat, but the assault variant of the ScR being so usable can be seen to remedy this while still maintaining extremely great damage output. One things for sure, the ScR is competing with the AR for the top spot, and can possibly even be called better. P.S. I've got 50k SP left til i get a skill i need, but afterwards I'm going straight ScR and prof. I already have prof 3 on ARs, as well as an alt with proto ScRs, and have used both plenty. In my personal opinion, the Imperial ScR is currently the best weapon in the game due to its range and ability to stack damage mods and prof better than the AR, while pumping out enough shots to down a tanked heavy in less than a second.
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1051	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:23:00 - [2] - Quote Soon,tm My PS3 is dusty ._. Level 1 Forum Warrior
Aisha Ctarl 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1767	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:24:00 - [3] - Quote I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1841	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:26:00 - [4] - Quote SCR is very deadly and definitely FOTM. Once AR gets off the stage, this will be realized. Since the majority doesn't talk about it, the remaining few don't mention it. I believe the SCR overpowers AR in many ways. It can be a nuisance on the field. I shiver at Imperial SCR
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1841	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:26:00 - [5] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. But you cry about ARs. The SCR is very OP. It's just not OP because...you use it and don't want it nerfed like what you and others' crusade did to the AR.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 535	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:28:00 - [6] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. Facts and rin game applications only please- an overheat possibility on the ScR variant does not mean balance when player skill is applied, it merely keeps the noobs away.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 945	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:28:00 - [7] - Quote I have been feeling the same way, the scope and range gives the ScR the advantage over the AR. What I said could be considered blasphemy in some circles, the die hard ScR users still say the AR is better. Not true by a mile, if this was true the AR numbers would be increasing instead the ScR numbers are increasing. Proof that a weapon is FOTM or OP is how many run to it and the ScR has the AR beat. Do not eat the yellow snow
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 500	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:30:00 - [8] - Quote News just in: ScR is Amarr technology. It is SUPPOSED to outclass the AR in range. The AScR is still not as good as the regular AR. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 469	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:31:00 - [9] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. Facts and in game applications only please- an overheat possibility on the ScR variant does not mean balance when player skill is applied, it merely keeps the noobs away. Isnt that the point, to reward skill The Sinwarden
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 220	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:34:00 - [10] - Quote How do damage mods even come into these discussions? All weapons are affected equally by damage mods. Same goes for proficiency. Except for the poor shotgun of course.

THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 535	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:34:00 - [11] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. Facts and in game applications only please- an overheat possibility on the ScR variant does not mean balance when player skill is applied, it merely keeps the noobs away. Isnt that the point, to reward skill Somewhat, but thats very similar to the FG and its sniping, sure its difficult for noobs to do but the moment they get through the learning curve and learn how to aim with it, it becomes insane.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1841	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:35:00 - [12] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: News just in: ScR is Amarr technology. It is SUPPOSED to outclass the AR in range. The AScR is still not as good as the regular AR. Except, it pretty much outclasses the AR in many ways. Now I'm not upset or complaining. I continue to use my AR. My old CEO tried to get me into SCRs. I've seen him run do some damage on the field. It just wasn't my style. But SCR has range. Not only that, the damage and ROF is monstrous compared to AR. Some strafing and from the hip fire from a SCR (skilled one), you're dead in a nanosecond. Again, I'm not mad or am I complaining. I'm just dealing with reality.
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 848	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:35:00 - [13] - Quote I just hate how the charge shot makes for a better alternative to the shotgun. You know the guy is around the corner? Charge and spam. Works every time. "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 500	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:37:00 - [14] - Quote I think this is funny. You canno nerf a weapon because some people excel st using it.... what is next then, plasma canno because skilled players who actually put time and effort to be good with it will one hit kill you? KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 548	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:38:00 - [15] - Quote The ScR is a skill shot weapon. In the right hands, I agree that it may well be the best weapon, but I would argue 70% of the players out there would be better off with an AR. The heat mechanics and semi-auto fire keep it from being too overpowered. Duvolle/GEKs cut me to pieces before I can line up a charged shot more often than not. The shotgun is like this too. In the right hands, a good shotgun scout can be very lethal, but that takes someone who really knows what they're doing. The ScR is currently my weapon of choice since the other main weapon I'm skilled into (LR) isn't really viable In 1.6. Also, the Assault ScR is pretty limited relative to the AR. It costs a sizable chunk, kicks like a mule, and really only shines when in fairly close ranges/confined environments. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 500	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:39:00 - [16] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: News just in: ScR is Amarr technology. It is SUPPOSED to outclass the AR in range. The AScR is still not as good as the regular AR. Except, it pretty much outclasses the AR in many ways. Now I'm not upset or complaining. I continue to use my AR. My old CEO tried to get me into SCRs. I've seen him do some damage on the field. For me, the rifle just wasn't my style. But SCR has range. Not only that, the damage and ROF is monstrous compared to AR. Some strafing and from the hip fire from a SCR (skilled one), you're dead in a nanosecond. Again, I'm not mad or am I complaining. I'm just dealing with reality. The time of the jack of all trades master of all AR will be past in 1.7. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 536	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:40:00 - [17] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: How do damage mods even come into these discussions? All weapons are affected equally by damage mods. Same goes for proficiency. Except for the poor shotgun of course. The AR as well as the AScR have such a high DPS that the damage mods aren't very noticeable because the weapon depends on actually connecting your bullets to the target, if you do that, damage mods or not you'll rip them apart. Compare this to a sniper rifle, mass driver, or the standard ScR variant, wherein having 26% from 3 damage mods and 15% from prof can turn your ability to kill from average to OP.
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 325	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:41:00 - [18] - Quote Lol@scramblers being better than ar or op. I have proficiency lvl 2 on the scrambler rifle and kbow it is garbage compared to ar's. Duvolle and balacs are the bad boys in this game hands down. I can see how variety can create inspiration and break monotony but no way do I take scr over ar and no way in hell are they op. You are welcome for my leadership
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1841	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:43:00 - [19] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: News just in: ScR is Amarr technology. It is SUPPOSED to outclass the AR in range. The AScR is still not as good as the regular AR. Except, it pretty much outclasses the AR in many ways. Now I'm not upset or complaining. I continue to use my AR. My old CEO tried to get me into SCRs. I've seen him do some damage on the field. For me, the rifle just wasn't my style. But SCR has range. Not only that, the damage and ROF is monstrous compared to AR. Some strafing and from the hip fire from a SCR (skilled one), you're dead in a nanosecond. Again, I'm not mad or am I complaining. I'm just dealing with reality. The time of the jack of all trades master of all AR will be past in 1.7. You are uttering common rhetoric that many others say that really doesn't make any kind of sense. The AR is the jack of all trades. That's what assault rifle is, essentially. It's built upon that foundation as the common all around weapon for the infantry soldier.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1092	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:46:00 - [20] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. Facts and in game applications only please- an overheat possibility on the ScR variant does not mean balance when player skill is applied, it merely keeps the noobs away. Isnt that the point, to reward skill I thought the point was to punish stupidity, not to reward "skill" (however many ways that could be classified). This is New Eden, no one is a special snowflake, no one gets a cookie, the stupid get hazed and purged; for everyone else? It serves as a growth experience. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta

calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 946	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:47:00 - [21] - Quote Talking about SG, I have grown fond of these little cannons of joy. The problem is getting close enough to use them. The ScR is a better short range sniper rifle than the actual sniper rifle. The sniper rifle needs a buff do to all the the armor builds. Today I was sniping and I saw a heavy with 700+ Shields and over 900+ Armor, now how does a sniper rifle kill a behemoth like this? Do not eat the yellow snow
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1092	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:49:00 - [22] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Lol@scramblers being better than ar or op. I have proficiency lvl 2 on the scrambler rifle and kbow it is garbage compared to ar's. Duvolle and balacs are the bad boys in this game hands down. I can see how variety can create inspiration and break monotony but no way do I take scr over ar and no way in hell are they op. If it is comparitively garbage, why did you spend SP on prof 2? Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 500	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:50:00 - [23] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: News just in: ScR is Amarr technology. It is SUPPOSED to outclass the AR in range. The AScR is still not as good as the regular AR. Except, it pretty much outclasses the AR in many ways. Now I'm not upset or complaining. I continue to use my AR. My old CEO tried to get me into SCRs. I've seen him do some damage on the field. For me, the rifle just wasn't my style. But SCR has range. Not only that, the damage and ROF is monstrous compared to AR. Some strafing and from the hip fire from a SCR (skilled one), you're dead in a nanosecond. Again, I'm not mad or am I complaining. I'm just dealing with reality. The time of the jack of all trades master of all AR will be past in 1.7. You are uttering common rhetoric that many others say that really doesn't make any kind of sense. The AR is the jack of all trades. That's what assault rifle is, essentially. It's built upon that foundation as the common all around weapon for the infantry soldier. The AR has had a weapon profile that was made to cover all types of weapons. This is why it has had a long range, high ROF and high damage. This is a well known fact. Now that CCP actually tunes the weapon profiles to be unique, people start crying. Which weapon do you believe will win in a 10m strafe battle with skilled players and equal tank, AR or ScR (tactical)? I know that the AR will win, and it should, since it will output sustained dps throughout the whole magazine. Youre stupid if you use ScR in CQC. Much better to switch to an SMG in that case. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Cass Caul 290	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:51:00 - [24] - Quote In a match about 20 minutes ago. Ran up to someone that was less skilled than I. We basically had the same HP and were using the Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle. . . he won the first bout, I won the second. And I won the third. Why and how did he win one but not the other? Because the AScR is more accurate with hip-firing than ADS. My placement of shots was less accurate when I didn't aim, but more shots hit. that is ridiculous. Also, AScR has higher base damage, but lower rate of fire. Against armor the AScR is better than the AR because it is higher base damage lower RoF. Much like the Boundless SMG is better against shields than the Assault SMG. This is where the OP-ness comes from. +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦
Spectre-M The Generals EoN. 101	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:03:00 - [25] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. Facts and in game applications only please- an overheat possibility on the ScR variant does not mean balance when player skill is applied, it merely keeps the noobs away. Don't see many facts in the original post. Why not place actual information in your debate. Post numbers(I won't do it for you) The charge shot needs to be charged, a shot gun does not. A SG and AR can run and fire as much as the user wants, a SCR can't if they want charged shots. The SCR damages the user directly, every other weapon does not(except laser). Once overheated, no action can take place except walking. As for range, the AR is getting a range buff as well. Most other guns have little to no drawbacks. Accept that other guns are becoming viable choices besides the AR.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 311	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:10:00 - [26] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: We'll see how the other rifles compete when they're released, but with the ScR getting a range buff as well theres a high chance the ScR will remain king. The ScRs usage has skyrocketed and is now almost as common as the vanilla AR while being EVEN better than the AR. Its an incredible feat to be sure seeing as how everyone also armor tanks. But the extremely effective hipfire, the INSANE damage output, the ease of use, the range, and the usefulness off both variants has shot the ScR straight to the top now that hit detection is decent. The ScR stacks great with dmg mods and prof, but is great even without them just like the AR. Due to it being able to instantly kill protos and heavies with ease at any range its effective(close,medium,and far) as well as having a range able to outclass ARs and most other weapons. This range is amazing as it covers the distance of many outdoors firefight hotspots that the AR falls just short of. The ScRs effectiveness compared to the AR is still debatable, seeing as how the AR is many times more reliable without the overheat, but the assault variant of the ScR being so usable can be seen to remedy this while still maintaining extremely great damage output. One things for sure, the ScR is competing with the AR for the top spot, and can possibly even be called better. P.S. I've got 50k SP left til i get a skill i need, but afterwards I'm going straight ScR and prof. I already have prof 3 on ARs, as well as an alt with proto ScRs, and have used both plenty. In my personal opinion, the Imperial ScR is currently the best weapon in the game due to its range and ability to stack damage mods and prof better than the AR, while pumping out enough shots to down a tanked heavy in less than a second. Not to mention this No Recoil With Modded Controllers.
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 340	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:14:00 - [27] - Quote Last time the TAR was nerfed, many AR users started threads claiming the scrambler rifle was OP; of course all of them failed to actually prove their case. It's a funny coincidence that more of these SR are OP threads should resurface after the announcement that ARs are slated to receive a range nerf. SRs didn't change with 1.6, where were all the SR are OP threads 1.5, 1.4, 1.3, etc.? The SR magically became OP without any changes being made to the weapon? Really? [-_-] Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1842	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:14:00 - [28] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: News just in: ScR is Amarr technology. It is SUPPOSED to outclass the AR in range. The AScR is still not as good as the regular AR. Except, it pretty much outclasses the AR in many ways. Now I'm not upset or complaining. I continue to use my AR. My old CEO tried to get me into SCRs. I've seen him do some damage on the field. For me, the rifle just wasn't my style. But SCR has range. Not only that, the damage and ROF is monstrous compared to AR. Some strafing and from the hip fire from a SCR (skilled one), you're dead in a nanosecond. Again, I'm not mad or am I complaining. I'm just dealing with reality. The time of the jack of all trades master of all AR will be past in 1.7. You are uttering common rhetoric that many others say that really doesn't make any kind of sense. The AR is the jack of all trades. That's what assault rifle is, essentially. It's built upon that foundation as the common all around weapon for the infantry soldier. The AR has had a weapon profile that was made to cover all types of weapons. This is why it has had a long range, high ROF and high damage. This is a well known fact. Now that CCP actually tunes the weapon profiles to be unique, people start crying. Which weapon do you believe will win in a 10m strafe battle with skilled players and equal tank, AR or ScR (tactical)? I know that the AR will win, and it should, since it will output sustained dps throughout the whole magazine. Youre stupid if you use ScR in CQC. Much better to switch to an SMG in that case. yea it's stupid for CQC if you ADS. But most will hip fire at close range. The SCR is powerful weapon in the right hands. Again, this won't be fully realized until the changes come to AR and the majority switches over to SCR.
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 677	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:23:00 - [29] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. Facts and in game applications only please- an overheat possibility on the ScR variant does not mean balance when player skill is applied, it merely keeps the noobs away. Isnt that the point, to reward skill Agreed. SCR's are deadly IN THE RIGHT HANDS. Semi auto, high alpha damage weapons coupled with skill SHOULD be dangerous. Like I have always said, I can count about 10 people or so that I know or have seen that make SCR's seem like God weapons. The majority fail....miserably, might I add. Purification. It's what I do.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1842	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:26:00 - [30] - Quote Yes, the majority does fail miserably at handling that weapon. It's a problem with those who know what they are doing with it.

medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 340	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:29:00 - [31] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: In a match about 20 minutes ago. Ran up to someone that was less skilled than I. We basically had the same HP and were using the Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle. . . he won the first bout, I won the second. And I won the third. Why and how did he win one but not the other? Because the AScR is more accurate with hip-firing than ADS. My placement of shots was less accurate when I didn't aim, but more shots hit. that is ridiculous. Also, AScR has higher base damage, but lower rate of fire. Against armor the AScR is better than the AR because it is higher base damage lower RoF. Much like the Boundless SMG is better against shields than the Assault SMG. This is where the OP-ness comes from. The assault scrambler rifle has more spread and kick than the assault rifle. Your mistake was to engage in close quarters when you have the range advantage. By choosing to engage the enemy in close quarters, you mitigated the disadvantages of your enemy's assault scrambler rifle. Also the scrambler rifle is less effective against armor with an efficiency of 80% compared to the assault rifles 90%. All your talk about higher base damage and lower rate of fire making the weapon more effective against armor is illogical and you should seriously consider brushing up on your algebra. Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. 2954	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:29:00 - [32] - Quote More range is a given since it is amarr laser like technology. The current AR is Gallente. If you think about it.. The AR has been the most OP weapon through out all the builds. It's range is insane for Gallente blaster technology. Honestly it's nice seeing more diversity on the field than just AR everywhere. Now, I use the imperial and I will say, it is very OP in 1v1s. That is why you want to catch the scrambler guy in 1v2 situation. Also don't challenge a scrambler at range... That'll get you killed. Even if you use an AR As far as the ASCR goes, I think it sucks compared to regular AR. It feels like it has less range and more dispersion and recoil than the ARs. :/ GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 2
Lorhak Gannarsein 594	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:34:00 - [33] - Quote AScR is rubbish, TacScR all the way XD the problem i've had with it is that the only times I can win 1v2s with it is if the other guys are using untanked suits - if they're running a brick, I either overheat before the second guy's dead or have to really count my shots and then get out-DPSed anyway. I Support SP Rollover
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1102	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:37:00 - [34] - Quote calvin b wrote: I have been feeling the same way, the scope and range gives the ScR the advantage over the AR. What I said could be considered blasphemy in some circles, the die hard ScR users still say the AR is better. Not true by a mile, if this was true the AR numbers would be increasing instead the ScR numbers are increasing. Proof that a weapon is FOTM or OP is how many run to it and the ScR has the AR beat. It isn't a scope it's a dang reflex sight!!!!! "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 502	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:50:00 - [35] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Also, AScR has higher base damage, but lower rate of fire. Against armor the AScR is better than the AR because it is higher base damage lower RoF. Much like the Boundless SMG is better against shields than the Assault SMG. This part: Does not compute....... KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 502	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:53:00 - [36] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: More range is a given since it is amarr laser like technology. The current AR is Gallente. If you think about it.. The AR has been the most OP weapon through out all the builds. It's range is insane for Gallente blaster technology. Honestly it's nice seeing more diversity on the field than just AR everywhere. Now, I use the imperial and I will say, it is very OP in 1v1s. That is why you want to catch the scrambler guy in 1v2 situation. Also don't challenge a scrambler at range... That'll get you killed. Even if you use an AR As far as the ASCR goes, I think it sucks compared to regular AR. It feels like it has less range and more dispersion and recoil than the ARs. :/ ^ This dude gets it Do not think that this game is about having equal weapons. Duvolle AR will shred u apart in close ranges, it is supposed to. Do not engage if you do not have the upper hand. Imperial ScR will shred you apart in med-long ranges. Do not engage if you do not have the upper hand. This is what makes Dust 514 the game it is. All weapons are better than others at specific tasks. It makes Dust 514 the thinking mans shooter IMO. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1272	Posted - 2013.11.15 08:07:00 - [37] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. But you cry about ARs. The SCR is very OP. It's just not OP because...you use it and don't want it nerfed like what you and others' crusade did to the AR. yea sorry when did the ar ever get nerfed lol you funny Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4421	Posted - 2013.11.15 08:13:00 - [38] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. I have advanced level access to all weapons, ans proto ar and acr + same proficiency. The SCR completely replaced my AR, I didn't touch it in a month. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Cosgar ParagonX 7787	Posted - 2013.11.15 08:17:00 - [39] - Quote It's just because we only have 2/4 rifles we should have. We should probably see some more diversity in 1.7. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Protected Void Endless Hatred 178	Posted - 2013.11.15 08:21:00 - [40] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: [quote=Aisha Ctarl...an overheat possibility on the ScR variant does not mean balance when player skill is applied, it merely keeps the noobs away. I'm sorry, but that statement just does not work. What you're basically saying is that player skill is OP. By that logic, any weapon is by extension OP, since a skilled player will be able to use it better than others. Of course a skilled player is able to avoid overheat most of the time. So what? Even if a ScR user doesn't even overheat once in a whole match, his/her maximum damage output has still been limited, since avoiding overheat means frequent pauses in firing.

Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1842	Posted - 2013.11.15 08:33:00 - [41] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: More range is a given since it is amarr laser like technology. The current AR is Gallente. If you think about it.. The AR has been the most OP weapon through out all the builds. It's range is insane for Gallente blaster technology. Honestly it's nice seeing more diversity on the field than just AR everywhere. Now, I use the imperial and I will say, it is very OP in 1v1s. That is why you want to catch the scrambler guy in 1v2 situation. Also don't challenge a scrambler at range... That'll get you killed. Even if you use an AR As far as the ASCR goes, I think it sucks compared to regular AR. It feels like it has less range and more dispersion and recoil than the ARs. :/ ^ This dude gets it Do not think that this game is about having equal weapons. Duvolle AR will shred u apart in close ranges, it is supposed to. Do not engage if you do not have the upper hand. Imperial ScR will shred you apart in med-long ranges. Do not engage if you do not have the upper hand. This is what makes Dust 514 the game it is. All weapons are better than others at specific tasks. It makes Dust 514 the thinking mans shooter IMO. So I hope you remember that when its time for another AR is OP thread.
Protected Void Endless Hatred 178	Posted - 2013.11.15 08:33:00 - [42] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: I just hate how the charge shot makes for a better alternative to the shotgun. You know the guy is around the corner? Charge and spam. Works every time. Maybe that's an alternative if you're Amarr assault, but it certainly isn't in any other dropsuit. A fully charged shot followed by spam results in overheat after three or four shots, even with relevant skills matched out. Then you're stuck sauntering around at a relaxed walking pace, waving your glowing rifle in the air, perhaps jumping half a foot high in a feeble attempt to avoid the enemy's fire. If you miss any of those previous shots, your target is likely still alive. If your spamming at an HP tanker, your target is still alive. So no, charge and spam doesn't work every time. It works every now and then against low-HP targets. The rest of the times you try it, it results in no kill and a likely death for yourself.
Protected Void Endless Hatred 178	Posted - 2013.11.15 08:39:00 - [43] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: News just in: ScR is Amarr technology. It is SUPPOSED to outclass the AR in range. The AScR is still not as good as the regular AR. Except, it pretty much outclasses the AR in many ways. Now I'm not upset or complaining. I continue to use my AR. My old CEO tried to get me into SCRs. I've seen him do some damage on the field. For me, the rifle just wasn't my style. But SCR has range. Not only that, the damage and ROF is monstrous compared to AR. Some strafing and from the hip fire from a SCR (skilled one), you're dead in a nanosecond. Again, I'm not mad or am I complaining. I'm just dealing with reality. The time of the jack of all trades master of all AR will be past in 1.7. You are uttering common rhetoric that many others say that really doesn't make any kind of sense. The AR is the jack of all trades. That's what assault rifle is, essentially. It's built upon that foundation as the common all around weapon for the infantry soldier. In the real world, yes. This is game, in which the various weapons and elements need to have some balance among them to preserve the fun. Anyway, the saying goes "Jack of all trades, master of none". Which means that added general utility will lower single-use case excellence.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 705	Posted - 2013.11.15 08:46:00 - [44] - Quote Truth be told, the SCR didn't need a range buff... I can get kills from 100m out under the right conditions. But, I'll be happy to take it I suppose and enjoy it until the nerf it into the ground.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1842	Posted - 2013.11.15 08:50:00 - [45] - Quote Protected Void wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: News just in: ScR is Amarr technology. It is SUPPOSED to outclass the AR in range. The AScR is still not as good as the regular AR. Except, it pretty much outclasses the AR in many ways. Now I'm not upset or complaining. I continue to use my AR. My old CEO tried to get me into SCRs. I've seen him do some damage on the field. For me, the rifle just wasn't my style. But SCR has range. Not only that, the damage and ROF is monstrous compared to AR. Some strafing and from the hip fire from a SCR (skilled one), you're dead in a nanosecond. Again, I'm not mad or am I complaining. I'm just dealing with reality. The time of the jack of all trades master of all AR will be past in 1.7. You are uttering common rhetoric that many others say that really doesn't make any kind of sense. The AR is the jack of all trades. That's what assault rifle is, essentially. It's built upon that foundation as the common all around weapon for the infantry soldier. In the real world, yes. This is game, in which the various weapons and elements need to have some balance among them to preserve the fun. Anyway, the saying goes "Jack of all trades, master of none". Which means that added general utility will lower single-use case excellence. I wonder, why are folks wasting time expressing things that we are fully aware of?? We don't get anywhere saying the sky is not actually blue. That it's freezing in space. That cats spit furballs. We already know that. It does nothing to contribute to the expanding of knowledge. I know this is a video game. I know what jack of all trade means. Let's add some constructive opinions instead of going for the all too common forum play of being captain obvious
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 504	Posted - 2013.11.15 08:58:00 - [46] - Quote Michael Arck - White knighting the AR since 2013. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1842	Posted - 2013.11.15 09:21:00 - [47] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Michael Arck - White knighting the AR since 2013. Yet my posts don't indicate a "white knight" thought process besides what you perceive as black and white. It's not that simple.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 960	Posted - 2013.11.15 10:20:00 - [48] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: We'll see how the other rifles compete when they're released, but with the ScR getting a range buff as well theres a high chance the ScR will remain king. The ScRs usage has skyrocketed and is now almost as common as the vanilla AR while being EVEN better than the AR. Its an incredible feat to be sure seeing as how everyone also armor tanks. But the extremely effective hipfire, the INSANE damage output, the ease of use, the range, and the usefulness off both variants has shot the ScR straight to the top now that hit detection is decent. The ScR stacks great with dmg mods and prof, but is great even without them just like the AR. Due to it being able to instantly kill protos and heavies with ease at any range its effective(close,medium,and far) as well as having a range able to outclass ARs and most other weapons. This range is amazing as it covers the distance of many outdoors firefight hotspots that the AR falls just short of. The ScRs effectiveness compared to the AR is still debatable, seeing as how the AR is many times more reliable without the overheat, but the assault variant of the ScR being so usable can be seen to remedy this while still maintaining extremely great damage output. One things for sure, the ScR is competing with the AR for the top spot, and can possibly even be called better. P.S. I've got 50k SP left til i get a skill i need, but afterwards I'm going straight ScR and prof. I already have prof 3 on ARs, as well as an alt with proto ScRs, and have used both plenty. In my personal opinion, the Imperial ScR is currently the best weapon in the game due to its range and ability to stack damage mods and prof better than the AR, while pumping out enough shots to down a tanked heavy in less than a second. I dont see average players going 40+ with a Standard Version SCR, hell they dont even go above 10 kills, its not the gun its the person using it, if you don't have aim and have an accuracy rating if 20%, you are not killing anything with it. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Import Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 54	Posted - 2013.11.15 10:48:00 - [49] - Quote Rei you are right about that aim issue. Some of us (bcases) just suck with regular gun game. No matter what skills / weapons we use. So we are lucky there are other weapons to use for ripping clones apart. And BTW Rei Shepard we are having a kill a celebrity day today... so ... you are... kinda.. targeted "If at first you don't succeed, mccdiving is not for you." Take me drunk, I'm home
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 213	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:01:00 - [50] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: News just in: ScR is Amarr technology. It is SUPPOSED to outclass the AR in range. The AScR is still not as good as the regular AR. The Adv Gal AR get a mere 2 point in DPS over the AsCR that not much of a difference regarding the Range. AsCr is really a beast as well as the normal SCR. The only thing that keeps the SCR halway in balance is the overheat mechanic that can bypassed by a glitch... Now throw in that overheating works on a time base and not per shot and this become even less of a factor if you can pull the trigger really fast.

Rei Shepard Spectre II 962	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:12:00 - [51] - Quote Import Beercase wrote: Rei you are right about that aim issue. Some of us (bcases) just suck with regular gun game. No matter what skills / weapons we use. So we are lucky there are other weapons to use for ripping clones apart. And BTW Rei Shepard we are having a kill a celebrity day today... so ... you are... kinda.. targeted Oh Dear, ill be sure to equip my Templar SCR to align the Gods Favor in my stead and keep the Imperial for Regular days then :) GL, ill be online at the normal time today :) Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 679	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:15:00 - [52] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Yes, the majority does fail miserably at handling that weapon. It's a problem with those who know what they are doing with it. And that is a "problem" how exactly? A weapon that is difficult to use should reward player skill. Not my or anyone else's fault that we know how to aim. Your counter argument is completely invalid. Purification. It's what I do.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 947	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:20:00 - [53] - Quote The only skill shot weapon is PLC thread locked "Just another piece of duct tape" Some love for gunners
Rei Shepard Spectre II 963	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:30:00 - [54] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Yes, the majority does fail miserably at handling that weapon. It's a problem with those who know what they are doing with it. And that is a "problem" how exactly? A weapon that is difficult to use should reward player skill. Not my or anyone else's fault that we know how to aim. Your counter argument is completely invalid. completely agree with Lea here, if normal people cant use the gun properly right now, what is gonna happen to the SCR when its tuned so that good players cannot use it ?, you want a gun that overheats after 6 rounds fired at max skill level so you can at most kill only a single person with it? Paperweight on someones Desk most likely.... I should put some work in mastering the Sniper Rifle in Cqc on the run, without taking a knee, now that would be some Epic QQ. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Sum1ne Else WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 747	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:34:00 - [55] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. Agreed. I did the same, ditched the OP AR went into Scr from the respec. The AR still beats it by far..armour/shields rips everything to shreads. FoTM is quite clearly the Gallente Logi. 800 armour with 3dmg mods and 4 equip slots-get out of here. The Duvolle in PC will always be used, y not the SCR? Because people are not playing guys in Militia gear so cannot take them in 1-2 shots The AR, whether it be Militia/BPO/Proto still takes down my 800EHP Amarr suit with Scr Public Relations WJR Its a leopleuradon Charlie a magical leoplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1843	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:36:00 - [56] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Yes, the majority does fail miserably at handling that weapon. It's a problem with those who know what they are doing with it. And that is a "problem" how exactly? A weapon that is difficult to use should reward player skill. Not my or anyone else's fault that we know how to aim. Your counter argument is completely invalid. I don't know what the heck you're talking about. I wasn't saying its your fault that you know how to use the weapon. What I'm saying is the "OP talks" aren't prevalant because the majority doesn't aim well with it. For those who are good at using the weapon, it can be a major problem for those who face against it. That wasn't a counter argument, that was a "matter of fact" statement.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1477	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:46:00 - [57] - Quote "Oh no! Someone killed me with a Scrambler, it's OP!" ö/\ö :D
Sum1ne Else WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 747	Posted - 2013.11.15 12:22:00 - [58] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: "Oh no! Someone killed me with a Scrambler, it's OP!" lulz Public Relations WJR Its a leopleuradon Charlie a magical leoplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1917	Posted - 2013.11.15 12:30:00 - [59] - Quote My brain keeps represing the memory of this read as it's so turamtiac to read. :-P but really u people need to read what u write down "my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 389	Posted - 2013.11.15 13:12:00 - [60] - Quote The AScR, as much as I like it, is not superior to the AR. Much more kick; that does quite a bit to mitigate the range advantage. More importantly, there's another balance aspect people often forget: cost, both in terms of ISK and especially the fitting costs are insane. I replaced the CRD 9 AScR with a GEK on a lot of my fittings because I just couldn't spare the CPU/PG to carry my logi bag o tricks. The advantages of the AScR just didn't justify it on a lot of my fittings, esp. the many BPO ones I run. But, now that the LR is effectively getting nerfed into irrelevance again, Templar SCR FTW! Templar'd for her pleasure Amarr victor!

calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1223	Posted - 2013.11.15 13:17:00 - [61] - Quote you make one mistake sir, you say the SCR is weakened by the fact that everyone armor tanks, I say everyone armor tanks to protect themselves from the SCR, I know I got sick of getting one popped by those things in my shield fits.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 982	Posted - 2013.11.15 13:20:00 - [62] - Quote I'm still testing SCRs to validate whether or not they are balanced or OP. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1366	Posted - 2013.11.15 13:25:00 - [63] - Quote 1. I have proficiency 4 scrambler rifle 2. I have been using it as my primary ever since uprising 3. I will not be biased in this post even if it seems like it ___________________________ The standard scrambler rifle is a powerful and effective weapon that is balanced by its inability to be spammed (overheat function), and its fire rate (single shot semi-auto). It is also ineffective at chewing through large amounts of armor/shields as both of these balancing factors come into play, keeping the ttk high with this weapon when going against tanked suits. As a long range weapon, it is balanced by dealing more damage at range than up close, while also having a much wider dispersion when hip-firing. With the hit-detection fixes in 1.6, hip firing seems much more effective with this weapon, but the damage is still reduced, and an automatic weapon (ASCR, SMG, HMG) will still kill a player faster at close range than a scrambler rifle can. The fact that it is a single shot also means that every shot counts with the weapon. The player has to constantly press a button while aiming, which requires much more skill to do than just holding a button and aiming. ____________________________ The Assault Scrambler Rifle is an automatic version of the standard with two downsides. It isn't able to hold a charge like the standard, and it deals much less damage per shot. Compared to the Assault rifle: Stats -Slightly lower rate of fire (-50 rpm) -Slightly higher damage -larger clip size (+12 rounds) -faster reload (-1 second) Gameplay: -No barrel climb (gun does not rise as you hold the trigger, AR barrel climb gets progressively worse after 30 rounds) -Larger dispersion/constant kick when ADS (AR has NO dispersion/kick/barrel climb for first 30 rounds, which can then be reset simply by letting go of the trigger) -Is unable to deal consistent damage at long range (AR is as accurate as a sniper as long as you can aim) ______________________________ I don't need to make a section about the AR because it should be obvious to everyone that uses it. Because of the lack of kick/dispersion while ADS, you can land every round into someone's skull as long as you are skilled enough to aim the weapon properly and you don't hold down the fire button like an idiot. The SR is not OP, and if the range is increased with 1.7, the damage it does at close range will be decreased as well. The ASCR is balanced at long ranges unlike the AR that can be used to snipe players. The standard SR requires skill at long ranges to be effective, and will overheat before it can kill if too many shots are missed. If a player is able to take me out at range with one, I know that they deserved the kill. When someone kills me with a SR at close range before I can kill them with my own ASCR (which is more effective at close range), they obviously had the advantage over me and were able to skillfully not overheat their weapon (or they were getting heatshots/landed a lucky charge shot). When I get killed by an Imperial Scrambler Rifle in 2.5 seconds, I understand why I died and how they had the advantage in that situation. It is rare for me to die by a scrambler rifle if the opponent does not have the advantage, and I respect players who are able to do that. When I get killed by a militia AR that some noob was using at 65 meters away in 0.8 seconds, I know that there's something wrong with that situation. This happens to me daily and I get pissed off every single time it happens...BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. Dispersion/kick should balance ANY automatic weapon so that they cannot be effective at long range, yet the AR is some sort of fancy exception to this rule -_- Links: List of Important Topics I make logistics videos!
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1410	Posted - 2013.11.15 13:30:00 - [64] - Quote Atiim wrote: I'm still testing SCRs to validate whether or not they are balanced or OP. The key is to forget that 'skill shot' rubbish and just spam shots like most people who use it, you'll find out that its really just as noobish to use as the ar, over heat mechanic takes ten minutes to get used to. Every gun in this game is an easy to use nub gun, all of them! Scr is really easy to use, anyone who thinks its a skill shot weapon must either be trying to protect it or just plain simple lol. It is supposed to be better than the ar though and it'd be best to wait until the other guns are out before testing, I think the scr is fine really but skill shot? Gtfo lol. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1666	Posted - 2013.11.15 13:32:00 - [65] - Quote So OP is saying the the AR and SCR are fighting for top spot Isnt that a good thing? Having 2 weapons which are as good as each other The AR doesnt overheat but can be full auto and used on any suit, the TAC aint too bad The ASCR does overheat and if not used with the amarr suit can burn your face off and same with the SCR which is like a TAC AR except it overheats and if you miss with the charged shot you have overheated about 50% of your max overheat plus with noobs the full auto AR can beat a SCR with ease since the SCR does take some skill to use Problem you can say for both weapons is aim assist, seems too strong for either weapon
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1370	Posted - 2013.11.15 13:51:00 - [66] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I think the scr is fine really but skill shot? Gtfo lol. If you cannot aim well with it, you'll overheat more than you will kill with it at range. This is what makes it a skill weapon, as both the single shot and overheat mechanics prevent the weapon from being spammed by an unskilled person. The weapon punishes you for not using it properly, meaning that it is a skill to know how to use it properly. Links: List of Important Topics I make logistics videos!
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1308	Posted - 2013.11.15 14:09:00 - [67] - Quote Sounds like fun. Last time I had fun with a weapon and put Proficiency on it, they nerfed it down to a little more than a verbal threat. Lesson learned. If it's not an AR or SMG you're going to get ******. Cheeseburgers.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1410	Posted - 2013.11.15 14:30:00 - [68] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I think the scr is fine really but skill shot? Gtfo lol. If you cannot aim well with it, you'll overheat more than you will kill with it at range. This is what makes it a skill weapon, as both the single shot and overheat mechanics prevent the weapon from being spammed by an unskilled person. The weapon punishes you for not using it properly, meaning that it is a skill to know how to use it properly. ERM, you are preaching to the choir lol Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 70	Posted - 2013.11.15 14:34:00 - [69] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: We'll see how the other rifles compete when they're released, but with the ScR getting a range buff as well theres a high chance the ScR will remain king. The ScRs usage has skyrocketed and is now almost as common as the vanilla AR while being EVEN better than the AR. Its an incredible feat to be sure seeing as how everyone also armor tanks. But the extremely effective hipfire, the INSANE damage output, the ease of use, the range, and the usefulness off both variants has shot the ScR straight to the top now that hit detection is decent. The ScR stacks great with dmg mods and prof, but is great even without them just like the AR. Due to it being able to instantly kill protos and heavies with ease at any range its effective(close,medium,and far) as well as having a range able to outclass ARs and most other weapons. This range is amazing as it covers the distance of many outdoors firefight hotspots that the AR falls just short of. The ScRs effectiveness compared to the AR is still debatable, seeing as how the AR is many times more reliable without the overheat, but the assault variant of the ScR being so usable can be seen to remedy this while still maintaining extremely great damage output. One things for sure, the ScR is competing with the AR for the top spot, and can possibly even be called better. P.S. I've got 50k SP left til i get a skill i need, but afterwards I'm going straight ScR and prof. I already have prof 3 on ARs, as well as an alt with proto ScRs, and have used both plenty. In my personal opinion, the Imperial ScR is currently the best weapon in the game due to its range and ability to stack damage mods and prof better than the AR, while pumping out enough shots to down a tanked heavy in less than a second. nope, its still a trip dam modded, duvolle
Rei Shepard Spectre II 970	Posted - 2013.11.15 14:59:00 - [70] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Atiim wrote: I'm still testing SCRs to validate whether or not they are balanced or OP. The key is to forget that 'skill shot' rubbish and just spam shots like most people who use it, you'll find out that its really just as noobish to use as the ar, over heat mechanic takes ten minutes to get used to. Every gun in this game is an easy to use nub gun, all of them! Scr is really easy to use, anyone who thinks its a skill shot weapon must either be trying to protect it or just plain simple lol. It is supposed to be better than the ar though and it'd be best to wait until the other guns are out before testing, I think the scr is fine really but skill shot? Gtfo lol. Why isnt everyone going 40+ with it "EVERY" match ? Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1410	Posted - 2013.11.15 15:03:00 - [71] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Atiim wrote: I'm still testing SCRs to validate whether or not they are balanced or OP. The key is to forget that 'skill shot' rubbish and just spam shots like most people who use it, you'll find out that its really just as noobish to use as the ar, over heat mechanic takes ten minutes to get used to. Every gun in this game is an easy to use nub gun, all of them! Scr is really easy to use, anyone who thinks its a skill shot weapon must either be trying to protect it or just plain simple lol. It is supposed to be better than the ar though and it'd be best to wait until the other guns are out before testing, I think the scr is fine really but skill shot? Gtfo lol. Why isnt everyone going 40+ with it "EVERY" match ? How long is a piece of string lol. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 958	Posted - 2013.11.15 15:08:00 - [72] - Quote I just popped into this thread to say that the only thing that actually balances the Scrambler Rifle (STD, ADV, and PRO) is the ****** hit detection (don't let the new "fix" fool you) and poor frame rate. SKS+AGOC+Canted Sights>Imperial Scrambler Rifle.
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 377	Posted - 2013.11.15 15:13:00 - [73] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: We'll see how the other rifles compete when they're released, but with the ScR getting a range buff as well theres a high chance the ScR will remain king. The ScRs usage has skyrocketed and is now almost as common as the vanilla AR while being EVEN better than the AR. Its an incredible feat to be sure seeing as how everyone also armor tanks. But the extremely effective hipfire, the INSANE damage output, the ease of use, the range, and the usefulness off both variants has shot the ScR straight to the top now that hit detection is decent. The ScR stacks great with dmg mods and prof, but is great even without them just like the AR. Due to it being able to instantly kill protos and heavies with ease at any range its effective(close,medium,and far) as well as having a range able to outclass ARs and most other weapons. This range is amazing as it covers the distance of many outdoors firefight hotspots that the AR falls just short of. The ScRs effectiveness compared to the AR is still debatable, seeing as how the AR is many times more reliable without the overheat, but the assault variant of the ScR being so usable can be seen to remedy this while still maintaining extremely great damage output. One things for sure, the ScR is competing with the AR for the top spot, and can possibly even be called better. P.S. I've got 50k SP left til i get a skill i need, but afterwards I'm going straight ScR and prof. I already have prof 3 on ARs, as well as an alt with proto ScRs, and have used both plenty. In my personal opinion, the Imperial ScR is currently the best weapon in the game due to its range and ability to stack damage mods and prof better than the AR, while pumping out enough shots to down a tanked heavy in less than a second. Ugh, the single shot ScR is seriously the bane of my existence. That thing can 1 shot your shields out. Then 2-3 shot your armor. You have a rapid fire controller and BAM it's the Duvolle Tactical AR from a month+ ago. Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Rei Shepard Spectre II 970	Posted - 2013.11.15 15:13:00 - [74] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Atiim wrote: I'm still testing SCRs to validate whether or not they are balanced or OP. The key is to forget that 'skill shot' rubbish and just spam shots like most people who use it, you'll find out that its really just as noobish to use as the ar, over heat mechanic takes ten minutes to get used to. Every gun in this game is an easy to use nub gun, all of them! Scr is really easy to use, anyone who thinks its a skill shot weapon must either be trying to protect it or just plain simple lol. It is supposed to be better than the ar though and it'd be best to wait until the other guns are out before testing, I think the scr is fine really but skill shot? Gtfo lol. Why isnt everyone going 40+ with it "EVERY" match ? How long is a piece of string lol. How inept are most players? Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 959	Posted - 2013.11.15 15:27:00 - [75] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Atiim wrote: I'm still testing SCRs to validate whether or not they are balanced or OP. The key is to forget that 'skill shot' rubbish and just spam shots like most people who use it, you'll find out that its really just as noobish to use as the ar, over heat mechanic takes ten minutes to get used to. Every gun in this game is an easy to use nub gun, all of them! Scr is really easy to use, anyone who thinks its a skill shot weapon must either be trying to protect it or just plain simple lol. It is supposed to be better than the ar though and it'd be best to wait until the other guns are out before testing, I think the scr is fine really but skill shot? Gtfo lol. Why isnt everyone going 40+ with it "EVERY" match ? How long is a piece of string lol. How inept are most players? You have a very good point. The majority of the player base that is left is pretty bad. For some reason, you have good ideas and I want to squad up with you and we could talk about the Scr and stuff. Do you frequent the Euro servers or the American Servers?
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1410	Posted - 2013.11.15 15:29:00 - [76] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Atiim wrote: I'm still testing SCRs to validate whether or not they are balanced or OP. The key is to forget that 'skill shot' rubbish and just spam shots like most people who use it, you'll find out that its really just as noobish to use as the ar, over heat mechanic takes ten minutes to get used to. Every gun in this game is an easy to use nub gun, all of them! Scr is really easy to use, anyone who thinks its a skill shot weapon must either be trying to protect it or just plain simple lol. It is supposed to be better than the ar though and it'd be best to wait until the other guns are out before testing, I think the scr is fine really but skill shot? Gtfo lol. Why isnt everyone going 40+ with it "EVERY" match ? How long is a piece of string lol. How inept are most players? Theres your answer. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR DROID EXILES 559	Posted - 2013.11.15 15:58:00 - [77] - Quote no doubt. Scrambler Rifle is the only weapon I have too much trouble with anymore. it can drop you at close and long range before you can blink. *tries to flank a group of enemies. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR DROID EXILES 559	Posted - 2013.11.15 16:00:00 - [78] - Quote Atiim wrote: I'm still testing SCRs to validate whether or not they are balanced or OP. I have prof. 5 in ScR and I use a complex DMG mod when I do use it. the only weapon better is god's weapon. (the Carthum Assault Scrambler Pistol) seriously the Carthum Assault Pistol is quickly becoming my new favorite gun. *tries to flank a group of enemies. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1291	Posted - 2013.11.15 16:02:00 - [79] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: We'll see how the other rifles compete when they're released, but with the ScR getting a range buff as well theres a high chance the ScR will remain king. The ScRs usage has skyrocketed and is now almost as common as the vanilla AR while being EVEN better than the AR. Its an incredible feat to be sure seeing as how everyone also armor tanks. But the extremely effective hipfire, the INSANE damage output, the ease of use, the range, and the usefulness off both variants has shot the ScR straight to the top now that hit detection is decent. The ScR stacks great with dmg mods and prof, but is great even without them just like the AR. Due to it being able to instantly kill protos and heavies with ease at any range its effective(close,medium,and far) as well as having a range able to outclass ARs and most other weapons. This range is amazing as it covers the distance of many outdoors firefight hotspots that the AR falls just short of. The ScRs effectiveness compared to the AR is still debatable, seeing as how the AR is many times more reliable without the overheat, but the assault variant of the ScR being so usable can be seen to remedy this while still maintaining extremely great damage output. One things for sure, the ScR is competing with the AR for the top spot, and can possibly even be called better. P.S. I've got 50k SP left til i get a skill i need, but afterwards I'm going straight ScR and prof. I already have prof 3 on ARs, as well as an alt with proto ScRs, and have used both plenty. In my personal opinion, the Imperial ScR is currently the best weapon in the game due to its range and ability to stack damage mods and prof better than the AR, while pumping out enough shots to down a tanked heavy in less than a second. Scr is better than tar...ar is better ascr I have them both pro 5 so I don't need to hear any bs I'm everyone's type
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR DROID EXILES 559	Posted - 2013.11.15 16:03:00 - [80] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I think the scr is fine really but skill shot? Gtfo lol. If you cannot aim well with it, you'll overheat more than you will kill with it at range. This is what makes it a skill weapon, as both the single shot and overheat mechanics prevent the weapon from being spammed by an unskilled person. The weapon punishes you for not using it properly, meaning that it is a skill to know how to use it properly. i'm sorry but the ScR is no skill weapon. just spray and pray (not quite as much as the AR) and you generally get a kill. don't get me wrong I love it, but i'm just stating facts here. *tries to flank a group of enemies. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1413	Posted - 2013.11.15 16:06:00 - [81] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I think the scr is fine really but skill shot? Gtfo lol. If you cannot aim well with it, you'll overheat more than you will kill with it at range. This is what makes it a skill weapon, as both the single shot and overheat mechanics prevent the weapon from being spammed by an unskilled person. The weapon punishes you for not using it properly, meaning that it is a skill to know how to use it properly. i'm sorry but the ScR is no skill weapon. just spray and pray (not quite as much as the AR) and you generally get a kill. don't get me wrong I love it, but i'm just stating facts here. This, so true lol Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 475	Posted - 2013.11.15 16:29:00 - [82] - Quote my ar at prof maxed feels to be on the same level of my un specced into assault scrambler rifle. and the std scrambler rifle. i feel its too good at cqc. it can infact melt ppl who did nothing but armor tank it doesnt lose much damage over it. u can fire/spam off around 20 shots before the overheat kicks in. combine it with amarr suit and some of the other overheat reducing skills and u wont really have to worry about it overheating any more. plus its got great damage out put as well. and its better at hipfiring than a tac ar too. honestly i dont think any buff is needed for it. ar is also deadly in the same areas but the scrambler rifle better in the fact as it has a red dot sight on its variants. which means better precision at longer ranges. but for some strange reason these variants also beat the ar in cqc to mid range effectiveness by a amount that isnt entirely noticeable. i plan on getting into proficiency for it when i acquire the sp needed for it. as ive been having an easier time with the gun than with my ar. with my use of it. decreasing the semi automatics rate of fire could work. by making it less effective in cqc. and so could increasing the dispersion/spread of the shots. but that doesnt sound right to begin with as it is a type of laser. the charge shot it has will destroy alot. i havnt been having much trouble using it and getting used to it. besides what weapon require skill to use on here any ways? all we do is move a stick back and forth while pressing buttons that make our characters jump, shoot, throw nades, aim, and move around. whats so hard about that? the only trick to "mastering" this is to NOT jerk the sticks all over the place. ______________________________________________________________________________________________ 100% chance of trolls is to be expected.


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