DUST Search - Its official, the ScR is OP and FOTM.

THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:

We'll see how the other rifles compete when they're released, but with the ScR getting a range buff as well theres a high chance the ScR will remain king.
The ScRs usage has skyrocketed and is now almost as common as the vanilla AR while being EVEN better than the AR. Its an incredible feat to be sure seeing as how everyone also armor tanks. But the extremely effective hipfire, the INSANE damage output, the ease of use, the range, and the usefulness off both variants has shot the ScR straight to the top now that hit detection is decent. The ScR stacks great with dmg mods and prof, but is great even without them just like the AR. Due to it being able to instantly kill protos and heavies with ease at any range its effective(close,medium,and far) as well as having a range able to outclass ARs and most other weapons. This range is amazing as it covers the distance of many outdoors firefight hotspots that the AR falls just short of.

The ScRs effectiveness compared to the AR is still debatable, seeing as how the AR is many times more reliable without the overheat, but the assault variant of the ScR being so usable can be seen to remedy this while still maintaining extremely great damage output.
One things for sure, the ScR is competing with the AR for the top spot, and can possibly even be called better.

P.S. I've got 50k SP left til i get a skill i need, but afterwards I'm going straight ScR and prof. I already have prof 3 on ARs, as well as an alt with proto ScRs, and have used both plenty. In my personal opinion, the Imperial ScR is currently the best weapon in the game due to its range and ability to stack damage mods and prof better than the AR, while pumping out enough shots to down a tanked heavy in less than a second.

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THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 535	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:21:00 - [1] - Quote We'll see how the other rifles compete when they're released, but with the ScR getting a range buff as well theres a high chance the ScR will remain king. The ScRs usage has skyrocketed and is now almost as common as the vanilla AR while being EVEN better than the AR. Its an incredible feat to be sure seeing as how everyone also armor tanks. But the extremely effective hipfire, the INSANE damage output, the ease of use, the range, and the usefulness off both variants has shot the ScR straight to the top now that hit detection is decent. The ScR stacks great with dmg mods and prof, but is great even without them just like the AR. Due to it being able to instantly kill protos and heavies with ease at any range its effective(close,medium,and far) as well as having a range able to outclass ARs and most other weapons. This range is amazing as it covers the distance of many outdoors firefight hotspots that the AR falls just short of. The ScRs effectiveness compared to the AR is still debatable, seeing as how the AR is many times more reliable without the overheat, but the assault variant of the ScR being so usable can be seen to remedy this while still maintaining extremely great damage output. One things for sure, the ScR is competing with the AR for the top spot, and can possibly even be called better. P.S. I've got 50k SP left til i get a skill i need, but afterwards I'm going straight ScR and prof. I already have prof 3 on ARs, as well as an alt with proto ScRs, and have used both plenty. In my personal opinion, the Imperial ScR is currently the best weapon in the game due to its range and ability to stack damage mods and prof better than the AR, while pumping out enough shots to down a tanked heavy in less than a second.
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1051	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:23:00 - [2] - Quote Soon,tm My PS3 is dusty ._. Level 1 Forum Warrior
Aisha Ctarl 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1767	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:24:00 - [3] - Quote I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1841	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:26:00 - [4] - Quote SCR is very deadly and definitely FOTM. Once AR gets off the stage, this will be realized. Since the majority doesn't talk about it, the remaining few don't mention it. I believe the SCR overpowers AR in many ways. It can be a nuisance on the field. I shiver at Imperial SCR
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1841	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:26:00 - [5] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. But you cry about ARs. The SCR is very OP. It's just not OP because...you use it and don't want it nerfed like what you and others' crusade did to the AR.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 535	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:28:00 - [6] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. Facts and rin game applications only please- an overheat possibility on the ScR variant does not mean balance when player skill is applied, it merely keeps the noobs away.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 945	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:28:00 - [7] - Quote I have been feeling the same way, the scope and range gives the ScR the advantage over the AR. What I said could be considered blasphemy in some circles, the die hard ScR users still say the AR is better. Not true by a mile, if this was true the AR numbers would be increasing instead the ScR numbers are increasing. Proof that a weapon is FOTM or OP is how many run to it and the ScR has the AR beat. Do not eat the yellow snow
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 500	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:30:00 - [8] - Quote News just in: ScR is Amarr technology. It is SUPPOSED to outclass the AR in range. The AScR is still not as good as the regular AR. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 469	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:31:00 - [9] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. Facts and in game applications only please- an overheat possibility on the ScR variant does not mean balance when player skill is applied, it merely keeps the noobs away. Isnt that the point, to reward skill The Sinwarden
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 220	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:34:00 - [10] - Quote How do damage mods even come into these discussions? All weapons are affected equally by damage mods. Same goes for proficiency. Except for the poor shotgun of course.

THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 535	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:34:00 - [11] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. Facts and in game applications only please- an overheat possibility on the ScR variant does not mean balance when player skill is applied, it merely keeps the noobs away. Isnt that the point, to reward skill Somewhat, but thats very similar to the FG and its sniping, sure its difficult for noobs to do but the moment they get through the learning curve and learn how to aim with it, it becomes insane.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1841	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:35:00 - [12] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: News just in: ScR is Amarr technology. It is SUPPOSED to outclass the AR in range. The AScR is still not as good as the regular AR. Except, it pretty much outclasses the AR in many ways. Now I'm not upset or complaining. I continue to use my AR. My old CEO tried to get me into SCRs. I've seen him run do some damage on the field. It just wasn't my style. But SCR has range. Not only that, the damage and ROF is monstrous compared to AR. Some strafing and from the hip fire from a SCR (skilled one), you're dead in a nanosecond. Again, I'm not mad or am I complaining. I'm just dealing with reality.
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 848	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:35:00 - [13] - Quote I just hate how the charge shot makes for a better alternative to the shotgun. You know the guy is around the corner? Charge and spam. Works every time. "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 500	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:37:00 - [14] - Quote I think this is funny. You canno nerf a weapon because some people excel st using it.... what is next then, plasma canno because skilled players who actually put time and effort to be good with it will one hit kill you? KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 548	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:38:00 - [15] - Quote The ScR is a skill shot weapon. In the right hands, I agree that it may well be the best weapon, but I would argue 70% of the players out there would be better off with an AR. The heat mechanics and semi-auto fire keep it from being too overpowered. Duvolle/GEKs cut me to pieces before I can line up a charged shot more often than not. The shotgun is like this too. In the right hands, a good shotgun scout can be very lethal, but that takes someone who really knows what they're doing. The ScR is currently my weapon of choice since the other main weapon I'm skilled into (LR) isn't really viable In 1.6. Also, the Assault ScR is pretty limited relative to the AR. It costs a sizable chunk, kicks like a mule, and really only shines when in fairly close ranges/confined environments. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 500	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:39:00 - [16] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: News just in: ScR is Amarr technology. It is SUPPOSED to outclass the AR in range. The AScR is still not as good as the regular AR. Except, it pretty much outclasses the AR in many ways. Now I'm not upset or complaining. I continue to use my AR. My old CEO tried to get me into SCRs. I've seen him do some damage on the field. For me, the rifle just wasn't my style. But SCR has range. Not only that, the damage and ROF is monstrous compared to AR. Some strafing and from the hip fire from a SCR (skilled one), you're dead in a nanosecond. Again, I'm not mad or am I complaining. I'm just dealing with reality. The time of the jack of all trades master of all AR will be past in 1.7. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 536	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:40:00 - [17] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: How do damage mods even come into these discussions? All weapons are affected equally by damage mods. Same goes for proficiency. Except for the poor shotgun of course. The AR as well as the AScR have such a high DPS that the damage mods aren't very noticeable because the weapon depends on actually connecting your bullets to the target, if you do that, damage mods or not you'll rip them apart. Compare this to a sniper rifle, mass driver, or the standard ScR variant, wherein having 26% from 3 damage mods and 15% from prof can turn your ability to kill from average to OP.
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 325	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:41:00 - [18] - Quote Lol@scramblers being better than ar or op. I have proficiency lvl 2 on the scrambler rifle and kbow it is garbage compared to ar's. Duvolle and balacs are the bad boys in this game hands down. I can see how variety can create inspiration and break monotony but no way do I take scr over ar and no way in hell are they op. You are welcome for my leadership
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1841	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:43:00 - [19] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: News just in: ScR is Amarr technology. It is SUPPOSED to outclass the AR in range. The AScR is still not as good as the regular AR. Except, it pretty much outclasses the AR in many ways. Now I'm not upset or complaining. I continue to use my AR. My old CEO tried to get me into SCRs. I've seen him do some damage on the field. For me, the rifle just wasn't my style. But SCR has range. Not only that, the damage and ROF is monstrous compared to AR. Some strafing and from the hip fire from a SCR (skilled one), you're dead in a nanosecond. Again, I'm not mad or am I complaining. I'm just dealing with reality. The time of the jack of all trades master of all AR will be past in 1.7. You are uttering common rhetoric that many others say that really doesn't make any kind of sense. The AR is the jack of all trades. That's what assault rifle is, essentially. It's built upon that foundation as the common all around weapon for the infantry soldier.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1092	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:46:00 - [20] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. Facts and in game applications only please- an overheat possibility on the ScR variant does not mean balance when player skill is applied, it merely keeps the noobs away. Isnt that the point, to reward skill I thought the point was to punish stupidity, not to reward "skill" (however many ways that could be classified). This is New Eden, no one is a special snowflake, no one gets a cookie, the stupid get hazed and purged; for everyone else? It serves as a growth experience. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta

calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 946	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:47:00 - [21] - Quote Talking about SG, I have grown fond of these little cannons of joy. The problem is getting close enough to use them. The ScR is a better short range sniper rifle than the actual sniper rifle. The sniper rifle needs a buff do to all the the armor builds. Today I was sniping and I saw a heavy with 700+ Shields and over 900+ Armor, now how does a sniper rifle kill a behemoth like this? Do not eat the yellow snow
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1092	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:49:00 - [22] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Lol@scramblers being better than ar or op. I have proficiency lvl 2 on the scrambler rifle and kbow it is garbage compared to ar's. Duvolle and balacs are the bad boys in this game hands down. I can see how variety can create inspiration and break monotony but no way do I take scr over ar and no way in hell are they op. If it is comparitively garbage, why did you spend SP on prof 2? Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 500	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:50:00 - [23] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: News just in: ScR is Amarr technology. It is SUPPOSED to outclass the AR in range. The AScR is still not as good as the regular AR. Except, it pretty much outclasses the AR in many ways. Now I'm not upset or complaining. I continue to use my AR. My old CEO tried to get me into SCRs. I've seen him do some damage on the field. For me, the rifle just wasn't my style. But SCR has range. Not only that, the damage and ROF is monstrous compared to AR. Some strafing and from the hip fire from a SCR (skilled one), you're dead in a nanosecond. Again, I'm not mad or am I complaining. I'm just dealing with reality. The time of the jack of all trades master of all AR will be past in 1.7. You are uttering common rhetoric that many others say that really doesn't make any kind of sense. The AR is the jack of all trades. That's what assault rifle is, essentially. It's built upon that foundation as the common all around weapon for the infantry soldier. The AR has had a weapon profile that was made to cover all types of weapons. This is why it has had a long range, high ROF and high damage. This is a well known fact. Now that CCP actually tunes the weapon profiles to be unique, people start crying. Which weapon do you believe will win in a 10m strafe battle with skilled players and equal tank, AR or ScR (tactical)? I know that the AR will win, and it should, since it will output sustained dps throughout the whole magazine. Youre stupid if you use ScR in CQC. Much better to switch to an SMG in that case. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Cass Caul 290	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:51:00 - [24] - Quote In a match about 20 minutes ago. Ran up to someone that was less skilled than I. We basically had the same HP and were using the Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle. . . he won the first bout, I won the second. And I won the third. Why and how did he win one but not the other? Because the AScR is more accurate with hip-firing than ADS. My placement of shots was less accurate when I didn't aim, but more shots hit. that is ridiculous. Also, AScR has higher base damage, but lower rate of fire. Against armor the AScR is better than the AR because it is higher base damage lower RoF. Much like the Boundless SMG is better against shields than the Assault SMG. This is where the OP-ness comes from. +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦
Spectre-M The Generals EoN. 101	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:03:00 - [25] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. Facts and in game applications only please- an overheat possibility on the ScR variant does not mean balance when player skill is applied, it merely keeps the noobs away. Don't see many facts in the original post. Why not place actual information in your debate. Post numbers(I won't do it for you) The charge shot needs to be charged, a shot gun does not. A SG and AR can run and fire as much as the user wants, a SCR can't if they want charged shots. The SCR damages the user directly, every other weapon does not(except laser). Once overheated, no action can take place except walking. As for range, the AR is getting a range buff as well. Most other guns have little to no drawbacks. Accept that other guns are becoming viable choices besides the AR.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 311	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:10:00 - [26] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: We'll see how the other rifles compete when they're released, but with the ScR getting a range buff as well theres a high chance the ScR will remain king. The ScRs usage has skyrocketed and is now almost as common as the vanilla AR while being EVEN better than the AR. Its an incredible feat to be sure seeing as how everyone also armor tanks. But the extremely effective hipfire, the INSANE damage output, the ease of use, the range, and the usefulness off both variants has shot the ScR straight to the top now that hit detection is decent. The ScR stacks great with dmg mods and prof, but is great even without them just like the AR. Due to it being able to instantly kill protos and heavies with ease at any range its effective(close,medium,and far) as well as having a range able to outclass ARs and most other weapons. This range is amazing as it covers the distance of many outdoors firefight hotspots that the AR falls just short of. The ScRs effectiveness compared to the AR is still debatable, seeing as how the AR is many times more reliable without the overheat, but the assault variant of the ScR being so usable can be seen to remedy this while still maintaining extremely great damage output. One things for sure, the ScR is competing with the AR for the top spot, and can possibly even be called better. P.S. I've got 50k SP left til i get a skill i need, but afterwards I'm going straight ScR and prof. I already have prof 3 on ARs, as well as an alt with proto ScRs, and have used both plenty. In my personal opinion, the Imperial ScR is currently the best weapon in the game due to its range and ability to stack damage mods and prof better than the AR, while pumping out enough shots to down a tanked heavy in less than a second. Not to mention this No Recoil With Modded Controllers.
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 340	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:14:00 - [27] - Quote Last time the TAR was nerfed, many AR users started threads claiming the scrambler rifle was OP; of course all of them failed to actually prove their case. It's a funny coincidence that more of these SR are OP threads should resurface after the announcement that ARs are slated to receive a range nerf. SRs didn't change with 1.6, where were all the SR are OP threads 1.5, 1.4, 1.3, etc.? The SR magically became OP without any changes being made to the weapon? Really? [-_-] Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1842	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:14:00 - [28] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: News just in: ScR is Amarr technology. It is SUPPOSED to outclass the AR in range. The AScR is still not as good as the regular AR. Except, it pretty much outclasses the AR in many ways. Now I'm not upset or complaining. I continue to use my AR. My old CEO tried to get me into SCRs. I've seen him do some damage on the field. For me, the rifle just wasn't my style. But SCR has range. Not only that, the damage and ROF is monstrous compared to AR. Some strafing and from the hip fire from a SCR (skilled one), you're dead in a nanosecond. Again, I'm not mad or am I complaining. I'm just dealing with reality. The time of the jack of all trades master of all AR will be past in 1.7. You are uttering common rhetoric that many others say that really doesn't make any kind of sense. The AR is the jack of all trades. That's what assault rifle is, essentially. It's built upon that foundation as the common all around weapon for the infantry soldier. The AR has had a weapon profile that was made to cover all types of weapons. This is why it has had a long range, high ROF and high damage. This is a well known fact. Now that CCP actually tunes the weapon profiles to be unique, people start crying. Which weapon do you believe will win in a 10m strafe battle with skilled players and equal tank, AR or ScR (tactical)? I know that the AR will win, and it should, since it will output sustained dps throughout the whole magazine. Youre stupid if you use ScR in CQC. Much better to switch to an SMG in that case. yea it's stupid for CQC if you ADS. But most will hip fire at close range. The SCR is powerful weapon in the right hands. Again, this won't be fully realized until the changes come to AR and the majority switches over to SCR.
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 677	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:23:00 - [29] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: I've been a SCR user since their release. They're the most balanced weapon in the game, so you can take your SCR is OP crap somewhere else and cry about it. Facts and in game applications only please- an overheat possibility on the ScR variant does not mean balance when player skill is applied, it merely keeps the noobs away. Isnt that the point, to reward skill Agreed. SCR's are deadly IN THE RIGHT HANDS. Semi auto, high alpha damage weapons coupled with skill SHOULD be dangerous. Like I have always said, I can count about 10 people or so that I know or have seen that make SCR's seem like God weapons. The majority fail....miserably, might I add. Purification. It's what I do.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1842	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:26:00 - [30] - Quote Yes, the majority does fail miserably at handling that weapon. It's a problem with those who know what they are doing with it.



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