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TEXA5 HiTM4N
ROGUE SPADES
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:33:00 -
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its not the beam silly. you are just pulling the trigger too hard.
Everything I say or do has the utmost relevance.
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
237
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:38:00 -
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You guys are all wrong.
Due to the immense power of the beam produced, it's impractical to produce a constant beam due to the rapid heat buildup (unlike the standard laser rifle, which produces a much weaker, but steady beam).
To remedy this, Amarrian designers used an oscillating mechanism to cut the beam into single shots for the assault variant and a buildup effect for the standard model. This has two benefits: the intended delayed heat buildup, plus more control over the shots fired.
Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10235
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:38:00 -
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Michael Cratar wrote:matter of fact, it kicks like a mule.
I know Its for balancing but it makes no sense. How dose a beam of light have recoil?
Is there some sort of science or story behind it that i'm too dumb to figure out?
*Sorry, no QQ range rant today.*
its a beam of neutrons.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
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Aisha Ctarl
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1757
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:43:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Michael Cratar wrote:matter of fact, it kicks like a mule.
I know Its for balancing but it makes no sense. How dose a beam of light have recoil?
Is there some sort of science or story behind it that i'm too dumb to figure out?
*Sorry, no QQ range rant today.* its a beam of neutrons.
And neutrons definitely have mass so therefore recoil!
PROBLEM SOLVED ^_^
Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming
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mini rehak
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
126
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:06:00 -
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Michael Cratar wrote:matter of fact, it kicks like a mule.
I know Its for balancing but it makes no sense. How dose a beam of light have recoil?
Is there some sort of science or story behind it that i'm too dumb to figure out?
*Sorry, no QQ range rant today.*
It is just typical CCP logic. It's best not to question it.
I survived CCP's ban hammer, Bück Dich!
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
954
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:07:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Quit talking about Gravity pls, i wanna GO see that movie >< That is one weak ass movie :P
I dont care, not enough sci-fi movies to go trough >< Need MOOARR!!
Winner of the EU Squad Cup
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
"Accuracy"
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
5025
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:13:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Quit talking about Gravity pls, i wanna GO see that movie >< That is one weak ass movie :P I dont care, not enough sci-fi movies to go trough >< Need MOOARR!!
You can never have enough sci-fi movies. 
Level 5 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
972
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:15:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:medomai grey wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Because photons are matter and have mass. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. I'm sure if you had a precise enough instrument, you could measure the "recoil" of turning a flashlight on. That doesn't sound right... Isn't the reason that photons can travel at the speed of light is because they have no mass? http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/ParticleAndNuclear/photon_mass.html Well yes, I understand that. But even so, it would take HUUUUUUGE amounts of light to actually produce any form of noticable recoil.
First of light is both a particle of mass and a massless wave, at the same time!
Now when you fire the scrambler you are firing short pules of light, now each pulse will contain maybe 30-40 waves, this creates a vibrational frequency to the gun, this is kicked up by guns natrual resonnance, boom recoil bynthe truckload!
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
957
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:29:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Quit talking about Gravity pls, i wanna GO see that movie >< That is one weak ass movie :P I dont care, not enough sci-fi movies to go trough >< Need MOOARR!! You can never have enough sci-fi movies.
So much truth posted in this small post, the Net-Universe is breaking apart ....
Winner of the EU Squad Cup
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
"Accuracy"
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Templar 514
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:54:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Because photons are matter and have mass. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. I'm sure if you had a precise enough instrument, you could measure the "recoil" of turning a flashlight on.
Photons are neither matter nor do they have mass. They are massless particles, this is why they can travel at c, which is the speed of light in vacuum (~300,000 km/s). However, they do have momentum, which causes phenomena like radiation pressure, which is exploited by solar sails.
It also means that if you had a powerful enough laser cannon, you could actually use it as a propulsion system on a spacecraft. However, due to the incredibly tiny amount of force that photon momentum produces per energy unit (~1 Newton per three hundred megawatts!), this requires insane amounts of energy density for any practical application.
It's the sort of thing that would probably require an antimatter-burning reactor, at which point you'd really build an AM engine for your spacecraft instead since this would provide far superior performance and fuel efficiency- the latter is particularly critical for the incredibly mass-sensitive design of spacecraft (you must haul every bit of fuel/propellant for your trip, even the return leg, assuming no fuel stops).
Cat Merc wrote:That doesn't sound right...
Isn't the reason that photons can travel at the speed of light is because they have no mass?
This is mostly correct. As far as I know, photons are considered to have zero rest mass, which is effectively impossible to determine since it's impossible to make photons stop to measure whether or not they have mass. The "mostly" is because of lolEinstein and lolrelativity, 90% of which goes above my head (practical application of some of the mathematics involved is easy (and happens to entertain me)).
Cat Merc wrote:But even so, it would take HUUUUUUGE amounts of light to actually produce any form of noticable recoil.
This is definitely correct. It takes approximately 300 megawatts  of electrical energy with an impossible 100% efficient energy-to-light conversion in a laser engine to produce 1 Newton of thrust.
ONE NEWTON. For THREE. HUNDRED. MEGAWATTS.
As I noted above, the energy density required for any kind of practical method of using this for a propulsion system would be so high as to require an antimatter powerplant, at which point it's not much of a leap to instead build an antimatter rocket engine for your spacecraft instead. |
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Garth Mandra
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
217
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:59:00 -
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As for real science, photons do have momentum.
We can even make an estimate of the number of photons by looking at the recoil of the SR, making some guess and MATH!
If the SR was in space and fired a single shot I estimate that it would fly backwards at around 2 m/s.
Lets us assume the SR weights 4 kg (the same as a loaded M16).
So the change in kinetic energy is 0.5 * m * v * v = 8 J.
The SR fires yellow shots so the wavelength of the light produced would be around 580 nm (assuming it is all one wavelength).
The energy of N photons is N * h * c / ++. So the number of photons, N = E * ++ / ( h * c ) = 2.3 * 10^19.
For comparison, red laser pointers are usually a few mWatts in power.
The SR fires a shot every 84 ms so it's power is around 94 Watts.
So one SR is worth about 10,000 laser pointers.
!SCIENCE! |
Michael Cratar
Fenrir's Wolves
Zero-Day
263
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Posted - 2013.11.15 01:25:00 -
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TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote:its not the beam silly. you are just pulling the trigger too hard.
LEL. probably  .
The question is not if I can or can not, but who is going to stop me?
Beta Vet
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1098
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Posted - 2013.11.15 01:40:00 -
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I wish my science class was this fun..... Biology sucks
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
235
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Posted - 2013.11.15 04:16:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Because photons are matter and have mass. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. I'm sure if you had a precise enough instrument, you could measure the "recoil" of turning a flashlight on. That doesn't sound right... Isn't the reason that photons can travel at the speed of light is because they have no mass?
If that's so, how the hell do solar sails exist
"Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
311
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Posted - 2013.11.15 04:18:00 -
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Michael Cratar wrote:matter of fact, it kicks like a mule.
I know Its for balancing but it makes no sense. How dose a beam of light have recoil?
Is there some sort of science or story behind it that i'm too dumb to figure out?
*Sorry, no QQ range rant today.*
It's not that it doesnt have recoil when used how it was intended... it's more that gun's recoil in general are becoming an issue with the mix of AA and HD everywhere.
DUST recoil test video |
Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
235
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Posted - 2013.11.15 04:21:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Michael Cratar wrote:matter of fact, it kicks like a mule.
I know Its for balancing but it makes no sense. How dose a beam of light have recoil?
Is there some sort of science or story behind it that i'm too dumb to figure out?
*Sorry, no QQ range rant today.* its a beam of neutrons.
... Wait, what? Since when was the Scrambler a Blaster? o.0 Iron Wolf, what are you doing...
"Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
235
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Posted - 2013.11.15 04:22:00 -
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I'm just going to assume it's for the same reason we can't make pulse lasers in the first place. Who knows what strange circumstances are needed to create a laser that travels at sub-light speed in bursts rather than a beam.
"Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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Omni-Specialist
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Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
118
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Posted - 2013.11.15 04:22:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GODIpE3UZNI that gun has recoil, everything else ive tried after that has no recoil :)
I tried that game haha I sucked. It was hard for me to play with my laptop plus lag. :/ |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4422
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Posted - 2013.11.15 08:34:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Quit talking about Gravity pls, i wanna GO see that movie >< That is one weak ass movie :P I dont care, not enough sci-fi movies to go trough >< Need MOOARR!!
Gravity is the weakest force.
Hence the movie is weak.
Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant
Beta Vet
Level 4 Forum Warrior
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
80
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Posted - 2013.11.15 09:43:00 -
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The theory of relativity states that matter cannot travel through space FASTER than the speed of light. Going the speed of light is not going faster, so, therefore, technically, humans could, theoretically go as fast as a photon. A black hole has gravity so powerful that nothing, not even light, with it's infinite momentum, can escape. The point of no return is called the event horizon and, as I said, it is the point at which no object can escape.
About subatomic particles, you cannot use the same laws of physics as with the atomic or visual world. You get into quantum physics, and quantum mechanics.
And all of this goes out the window if you throw in chaos theory.
I am the Horseless Headsman.
Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2013.11.15 10:06:00 -
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SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:It always had recoil.
The recoil was always comparable to that of an unskilled AR without much kick someone made a comparison vid a while ago. I for myself find the AsCR pretty accurate for ist DPS and Range. |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4423
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:48:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:The theory of relativity states that matter cannot travel through space FASTER than the speed of light. Going the speed of light is not going faster, so, therefore, technically, humans could, theoretically go as fast as a photon. A black hole has gravity so powerful that nothing, not even light, with it's infinite momentum, can escape. The point of no return is called the event horizon and, as I said, it is the point at which no object can escape.
About subatomic particles, you cannot use the same laws of physics as with the atomic or visual world. You get into quantum physics, and quantum mechanics.
And all of this goes out the window if you throw in chaos theory.
Yes, but in order for matter to travel at the speed of light it needs:
1. To have infinite energy
Or
2. To have no mass
I don't think infinite energy is possible, so no mass?
Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant
Beta Vet
Level 4 Forum Warrior
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
85
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Posted - 2013.11.16 08:17:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:The theory of relativity states that matter cannot travel through space FASTER than the speed of light. Going the speed of light is not going faster, so, therefore, technically, humans could, theoretically go as fast as a photon. A black hole has gravity so powerful that nothing, not even light, with it's infinite momentum, can escape. The point of no return is called the event horizon and, as I said, it is the point at which no object can escape.
About subatomic particles, you cannot use the same laws of physics as with the atomic or visual world. You get into quantum physics, and quantum mechanics.
And all of this goes out the window if you throw in chaos theory. Yes, but in order for matter to travel at the speed of light it needs: 1. To have infinite energy Or 2. To have no mass I don't think infinite energy is possible, so no mass?
Again, it IS possible to have infinite energy... in theory. But in theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is. In order to get anywhere near infinite energy, you'd need... something that doesn't really exist... not in a form we can use: dark matter. That being said, the top theory on photons is no mass.
I am the Horseless Headsman.
Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
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