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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
866
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Posted - 2013.11.12 12:42:00 -
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I actually know several 'whales'. Specifically players that spent hundreds of (random country) units of real world cash. And, yes they spent it on DUST, so don't get snarky with me.
It was a revelation even though I have spent $60US on DUST myself (three Merc Packs). I felt like it was a reasonable enough price and I wanted to support CCP and their efforts down here in the DUST. My friends spent significantly more than I did, however.
I have managed to contact most of them over the last week or two. They are trashing their characters and the quote that stuck with me was, 'this is the last time I will log in to DUST'. I have one that is not completely out but he really doesn't like the game and only checks in now and then. He is going to see how 1.7 turns out, if it is bad he is done with DUST as well.
The consistent replies I have gotten when I asked them what happened was they all thought DUST had fantastic potential. Chromosome was a great game and then Uprising was such a horrible product it didn't deserve to use the same name as the BETA. Most have moved to BF4, GTA-V/Online and they aren't coming back.
Chromosome was something great for those that missed it. It needed much more work yet there was consistent hope for the future. Personally Uprising no longer shows much promise at all and it has been mostly one batch of fumbles after the other. Some were not planned admittedly, but the bug list is horrific and I seriously wonder if any of the Devs are actually either FPS or RPG players. Because DUST doesn't play like they know what those genres are.
Matchmaking has never progressed, while supposedly it was going to be a cornerstone of the release. Oops, looks like they missed it altogether 'cause DUST has no matchmaking at all. Just stick the first Mercs that all want to fight the same type of battle. As little as 1/0 and maybe even 16/16. No limits on any equipment, SP level or whatever, just dodge them Proto rounds or die.
KB/M support was one reason given, consoles are controllers driven and many don't like the lack of balance. This was even mentioned by Devs that KB/M would be selectable in the matchmaking. Right. No problem, man.
The rest say nearly the same phrases: Boring, graphics are nice but the game doesn't work, guns change so fast no one knows if they will work week to week, hate discovering another Ninja Nerf and finally the lack of any resetting of SP when they drastically change the functionality of a weapon Skill that cost millions of SP.
The EVE crowd had high hopes but DUST wound up on PS3 and several I know only bought one to play DUST. There is hope for them as the Exec Producer recently stated in an interview that there was no piece of paper keeping DUST anywhere. So PC, PS4 or whatever is a possibility. Hopefully the game will be working before they start to port it.
Now we have a real free too play game. It has the worst grinding of any game I have ever played. As far as I can tell the SP levels are based on EVE which has a completely different SP solution with the result being the eternal grinding that DUST has become.
Many are playing Pub matches with Proto gear and it gets tiresome to many. I understand both sides so it is difficult for me to defend either position. On one hand this character has Proto skills for four weapons. Just goofing around I can make 1-2M ISK profit per evening. So why wouldn't I use Proto gear when I want to? Yet, getting killed by a Duv AR will get a ton of complaints in squad. Then I point out that I am running one as well. Well, it can get quiet quickly on the squad chat.
Of course I remember when getting killed by a GEK ticked off quite a few Mercs. Now it is the Duv AR. For me it is the scrambler rifles and the re-emergent laser rifles. 1400 hp and my heavy drops in seconds. But that is a different issue.
Why did I bring all this rambling up? Well, my alt has 8.6M SP and my test character that is waiting for the pilot drop suit to be released has been ticking over passive SP has ... 7M SP. So why am I running my alt? Truthfully, I no longer know. I have ground the hell out of him and for what? 1.6M SP over a passive only character. It might be time to let him rest until the player's market opens and I can sell the stacks of collected salvage.
Oh well. They are still my friends I met in DUST and that is a good thing. Even if they don't play DUST anymore.
Welcome to DUST.
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Vin Mora
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
248
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Posted - 2013.11.12 13:01:00 -
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I maybe considered one of those whales (that are left) and it is very hard to want to stay with the game as the patches slowly ,and hopefully unintentionally, make this game closer and closer to COD.
Before the last two patches the game required a fair bit of tactics and skill, but with the addition of Aim Assist and vastly improved hit detection, it is literally turning into who can shoot who first. If you aren't facing your opponent you likely aren't going to be able to survive long enough to fight back.
I will stick with this game for a long time, as I am playing Eve as well, but I will drastically cutting my time down once Destiny comes out.
Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
887
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Posted - 2013.11.12 13:03:00 -
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Space Whales is a long requested feature for EVE Online.
We also need Sand Whales. |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
444
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Posted - 2013.11.12 13:04:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:KB/M support was one reason given, consoles are controllers driven and many don't like the lack of balance. This was even mentioned by Devs that KB/M would be selectable in the matchmaking. Right. No problem, man.
Please dude, we KB/M users cant even turn of mouse acceleration, and we have to live with high input lag due to the emulation.
+¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13.
CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
444
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Posted - 2013.11.12 13:07:00 -
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Also, if any of the guys leaving want to donate their accounts to a good cause, please contact me here on the forums, or by ingame mail.
+¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13.
CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
120
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Posted - 2013.11.12 13:09:00 -
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I am one of those proud whales as well, but the reason I'm not spending anymore money right now is not the lack of content - I'm patient enough to wait for it and it slowly has improved... the main reason is now the "merc" packs are just terrible value. Before I could get some active/passive boosters, a few BPO's and aurum included with a smattering of expendable gear all for less than the sum of its parts. Now the packs don't have much aurum, no BPO's, and a whole bunch of expendable weapons/suits that aren't matched to my skill level ... and don't have any value-add. |
Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
947
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Posted - 2013.11.12 13:10:00 -
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Very nice write up, OP. |
Funkmaster Whale
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1093
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Posted - 2013.11.12 13:10:00 -
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I approve of this thread.
There is always need for more whales. We're endangered, after all.
Let me play you the song of my people!
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Snaps Tremor
DUST University Ivy League
371
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Posted - 2013.11.12 13:12:00 -
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The saturation of the market with infinite 'two words mashed together' items that have no perceivable long term value is going to kill the paid element as people become more experienced with the game. I'm convinced the main reason they sell any at all right now is by confusing the average player into thinking it's necessary.
The endless AUR variants in the marketplace diminish the idea of paying for anything exclusive or unique, and the whole premise of them is basically an admission that you didn't have the foresight/patience to win the metagame of staying ISK efficient and distributing skill points wisely.
I would suggest that they stop carpet bombing the game with barely thought-out replicas of everything in the game and roll the system into a dual-purchase strategy for all existing ISK items. As a bonus this would instantly clean up the ridiculous marketplace duplication clutter.
After that, rethink a way to make Aurum relevant in a way that's going to capture the players in a positive way, rather than making them feel back-of-the-brain bad for shelling out to momentarily subvert the grind ladder in a game that doesn't even know what it wants to be yet. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1655
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Posted - 2013.11.12 13:21:00 -
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So they have a passive alt on 7mil SP, another alt on 8.6mil SP
So what is there main at? |
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
721
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:20:00 -
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Ya see Ron? Whales. Now your putting the whole station in jeopardy.
The whales smeel the menstration!
If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen!
-Steven Wright
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Blondie Roads
Introverts 4 Hire
29
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:26:00 -
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Good post... I spent too much on this game ...but Would come back and play if they brought back chromozone. |
Gorra Snell
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
218
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:26:00 -
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Justicar Karnellia wrote:I am one of those proud whales as well, but the reason I'm not spending anymore money right now is not the lack of content - I'm patient enough to wait for it and it slowly has improved... the main reason is now the "merc" packs are just terrible value. Before I could get some active/passive boosters, a few BPO's and aurum included with a smattering of expendable gear all for less than the sum of its parts. Now the packs don't have much aurum, no BPO's, and a whole bunch of expendable weapons/suits that aren't matched to my skill level ... and don't have any value-add.
Me too, and This.
EDIT: I disagree, however, with OP's (and his friend's) assessment of the game's overall trend. I was here in Chromosome, and it sounds like rose-tinted goggles are on sale. Two steps forward, one step back, perhaps (I'm in the camp that prefers a longer TTK), but overall, progress has been positive, if slow. |
Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
193
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:30:00 -
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Been playing since uprising. I was really expecting something great.
Made a character in beta, but due to lag, problems with the client, ect, I only played 4 or 5 games, and hated it. I remember lazers from across the map murdering me. I also bought the merc pack they had out.
I followed this since early december 2012 and was EXCITED. I knew of EvE, didn't play much but the whole idea of what EvE was sat well with me. I had already started a character with EvE but really got into it after hearing about Dust. I was like holy ****, PC and my PS3 communicating!
As a kid, I was heavy into RPGs. That is my baby, my genre. Started as a kid with my NES and zelda, then Ninja Turtles. Then we got our first computer when I was 12. This was before windows as we know it, this was MSDOS, the CLI. Maybe 8 megabytes of HD space, ram was in bytes, blah blah blah, old ass computer. So many old school RPGs were played on that thing. Biggest one that comes to mind is Darksun. LOVED IT, D&D game.
Then the PS came out, and I said to myself, "These graphics are incredible! It can't get better than this". I was simply in awe. But this is when I got a good introduction with Square Softs (now square enix) FF line, FF7. I had every value raised to the max, 99. My time played was also maxed at 99 hours. I would play this thing, ALL day long. Then ff8, ff9 ff10, and other RPG's rented from blockbuster (yeah they existed at one time didn't they).
So I like me some RPG's. But I also like me some RTS. Warcraft was one of my absolute favorite games, then warcraft 2, and warcraft 3 then good old WoW(mmoRpg).
Alas, as I grow older, 27 now, I find less and less time for games. And not just that, as I get older, games become stale and boring. Those old RPGs of the day that required a lot of my time, time I was able to give back then, to play are becoming less appealing. I already know what's going to happen, what needs to happen, and where I need to go, predictable. Hardly a challenge to my aging brain.
So I got into CoD modern warfare, loved it. Probably my first FPS ever. You know what I liked best about it, Player on Player. This wasn't another NPC, this was a living, breathing, thinking player. This was someone like me, so the kill always felt that much sweeter.
Dust 514, has pegged itself as a FPS / RPG. To me this is an amazing concept. I have spent many, many hours in the fitting screen. Sometimes I don't even play a game, just my fits and skills. Planning, theory crafting, and coming up with ideas on how to use new fits. That is one part of the RPG side. Dust still lacks in some actual RPG elements, as in actual gameplay RPG.
Just because you have character development and customization, does not mean you are a RPG. Character development and the deep customization are a huge part of it, but is still just that, a piece of the puzzle. Game play wise, this still plays like a FPS. If you want to actually interact with the world, you do it CoD style, shoot things. I can't tell you how boring this has become, shooters are a dime a dozen. There will always be a new shooter, that's not what makes you special.
For now, it reads like this, FPS first, RPG second. CoD may not have had character development, but it did have a healthy amount of customization.
I love what will become of FW, but I know it will still be the same kind of gameplay, shooting people. Reading about this game leading up to release ( a BETA release btw, who does that??) there were so many hopes and dreams. PvE, lots of customization and options. Then, as I get settled into the game, I see all of what you hyped up on was absent. It was worse as I noticed racial variants of things were missing. Then I discovered the divide between Armor tanks and Shield tanks, and found I had picked the gimped one (shield tanks). PC was always a big one for me too, whoo lets take control of something. Then I find lag plays a bigger part of the win then actually playing (sometimes).
I've been here for every patch since uprising, and really haven't been too impressed. I know some people will cry with joy when you give them that tiny tidbit, but to me it seems like so little. I know that these things take time, but man thats all you got done in a month with some of the patches. Maybe my expectations are a little high, but you made EvE. EvE has never been hugely popular, but holy ****. The game is like a ******* simulator. Spot on and well built.
For being the people that brought EvE into this world, I did have higher expectations. After seeing Dust 514 though I do begin wonder, how? SO much potential, so much hype, and not a bit of it has been realized. Most of your year has been fixing BUGS and Imbalance issues. 1.7 with your revamping of vehicles will bring in even more Bugs and Imbalance issues. A revolving door, and we are stuck in it.
Love the game, Love the idea. **** the bugs, **** your monthly patches. I always liked Blizzard entertainments motto. They followed it with all of their hits, WC1 WC2 WC3, WoW, SC1, SC2. **** the deadline, if it isn't done it doesn't go out. They never released piece meal bullshit. You don't need any deadlines, forget the players, investors, and other general assholes like me. If 1.7 isn't ready as you like, then you push that ***** back, and keep pushing it until it's done.
I think of this game like original fallout, 1 and 2. They were both pressured by deadlines, and actually released unfinished games, and the game remained that way. Man, do I hate me some unfinished, unpolished products. Lol
Seriously though, Love You CCP. 5 more years and you should have this thing nipped in the butt huh
Nuff Said
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:48:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Space Whales is a long requested feature for EVE Online.
We also need Sand Whales. and bowls of Petunias.
I'm pretty sure this is how the Warbages will get around. |
Himiko Kuronaga
The Generals EoN.
2277
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:52:00 -
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Dust is an excellent example of what happens when the designers vision does not match the players vision. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
2428
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:55:00 -
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It all boils down to this in the end:
Can I has your ISK?
Level 2 Forum Warrior
Hate Lord
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Snaps Tremor
DUST University Ivy League
378
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Posted - 2013.11.12 15:40:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:the biggest post
While you're quite right about the troubled development of Dust, outside of that it just sounds like you're an Eve player at heart. I appreciate that a lot of Eve players are excited about the idea of the universe expanding and want to be a part of it, but the whole idea of spinning off a new aspect of it is to bring in people who are not already catered for by that original experience.
Dust will always be an FPS, and most people here also understand that the genre casts a wide net: From twitchy mindlessness like COD, to more cerebral team based experiences such as SOCOM and MAG.
I think most people here are very much hoping for the latter. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1800
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Posted - 2013.11.12 15:56:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Dust is an excellent example of what happens when the designers vision does not match the players vision.
CCP: Here is our grand vision. It's going to be awesome and out next Spring.
Players: Huzzah!
CCP: Here it is. We did the first 10% of it. Here's the 5 year plan to finish it.
Players: Shoot all the monuments! You broke what we had!
CCP: Screw it. We'll leave what we made but do some other watered down thing to make you happy.
I'm tired of waiting for depth in EVE beyond massive space battles and random gankings. I wanted Incarna. It died with the captain's quarters. Avatar based exploration was proposed by died with CCP management. I still have one account because I can't let go but logging on is just too much work. DUST ended up being just a lobby shooter but at least I have more fun here than in EVE. Maybe because I still have skills to unlock and new fittings to try out but I'm rapidly running out and much more content is needed to keep me interested.
Honestly, the CCP developers are some of my favorite people. I love the New Eden IP. They still manage to make games that hold my interest more than most. However, If Star Citizen manages to do what they are promising it may tear me away. Over the last 6 years in New Eden I've never felt that way before. The thought of leaving New Eden is heart breaking but so are all the failed visions and massive watered down delays.
AKA: Rees Noturana https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4318
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:14:00 -
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<--- 300 dollars or more
Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant
Beta Vet
Level 4 Forum Warrior
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Snaps Tremor
DUST University Ivy League
378
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:30:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:<--- 300 dollars or more
Well that explains the high salt content. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1800
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:32:00 -
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What counts as a whale? Between my son and myself I think I'm at about $260. I've used up my Elite Pack and it's about time to buy new boosters. I just added money to my SOE account but I haven't pulled the trigger. I may go without until 1.7 drops and then see if I'm disappointed or not. My son has already moved on.
AKA: Rees Noturana https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
195
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Posted - 2013.11.12 17:55:00 -
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Snaps Tremor wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:the biggest post While you're quite right about the troubled development of Dust, outside of that it just sounds like you're an Eve player at heart. I appreciate that a lot of Eve players are excited about the idea of the universe expanding and want to be a part of it, but the whole idea of spinning off a new aspect of it is to bring in people who are not already catered for by that original experience. Dust will always be an FPS, and most people here also understand that the genre casts a wide net: From twitchy mindlessness like COD, to more cerebral team based experiences such as SOCOM and MAG. I think most people here are very much hoping for the latter.
Funny thing is, EvE is cool and all, but far too boring. I'm a dust fan all the way. It has just been a let down playing as I progress. On the outside, it looks awesome. Shooter gameplay, with RPG style character development and customization.
After playing the 3 game modes, factional and skirmish being the same currently, for months on end, you tire of it. It's a grind just to be competitive, which is based on WP. But there are far too many actions that should get WP but don't. So you do the same thing, non stop. I don't typically mind the monotony but this is getting very old.
It is CONTENT, that this game needs. Something fresh, something new to do.
Nuff Said
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Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
275
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:07:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:IKB/M support was one reason given, consoles are controllers driven and many don't like the lack of balance
I can quite honestly say your friends have no ******* clue what they're talking about. Mouse input is crippled in Dust so badly anyone complaining about it is hating just to hate. |
8213
The Neutral Zone
672
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:15:00 -
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A Whale introduced me to DUST actually, and he has long sailed out of the EVE Universe. Everyone I've brought into the game is gone too. I have stated that DUST is losing money hand over fist (hence the removal of BPOs) because even if every active player spent $50/mo, the game would still lose money.
I play because its free and it gives me something to do until Titanfall and Homefront 2 come out (been waiting for 4 years for those two titles). Like a lot of people, I test the game out after each patch, see if anything has improved or changed enough to renew your experience.
But DUST really doesn't have a lot in it. They have a lot of skills and gear to use, but 3 gamemodes (Public, Faction, PC) and 3 gamestypes (Ambush, Skirmish, Domination) isn't going to keep people around.
You can only play the same game time after time. It makes no sense to try new things in this game, because CCP favors certain things over others, so you can only take the frustration for so long. If you set the game down for a couple months, you're left behind. Because the Passive SP still isn't enough for players to catch up. This forces AURUM sales, which is crazy to do in a game that's not even fully functional yet.
Natural attrition along with bad content, bad mechanics, and a bad playerbase is why DUST is considered a flop. It's like the movie Troll 2 (look it up if you want). Their is a reason this game has been bashed by every video game publication that stoops so low to even talk about it. CCP fanbois jump the defense of the game, but people know crap when they see it. IGN has actually removed all DUST 514 information, including the massive database about the game from their website, because they don't want this game to be associated with them because it's that bad.
People aren't stupid. If DUST was good, it wouldn't be on a downward slope of losing players. It would be getting more than 5000 people to play the game daily worldwide. All they have is a bunch of people who like a the free play and a small cult)and I mean CULT) following. |
Nin Ker
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:15:00 -
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Not sure I'm at whale status quite yet.
Bought the Elite pack when I started and that's been about it. Don't mind spending money on things I enjoy as I have the disposable income to do it.
That said, this is probably the one I'd class as my main character. It's been a heavy since day one and I'm quickly losing faith. Though I won't go as far as to say I'm quitting yet, I'd be very reluctant to spend anymore money.
The games not bad, has a lot of promise but there a few things I'd ever consider waiting a year or so for and additional content in a game is not one of them.
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2712
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:16:00 -
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I've spent about $+200 on this game sadly.
About $20 every month when I started around 50 in the winter months and I just recently stopped spending money on this game when the pushed back 1.5(now 1.7) for the second time.
Also, it would be nice to know when we can expect a Gallente Ion pistol.
The newer the berry the dumber the juice.
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steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1899
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:26:00 -
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With the lack of action on ttk and the numbers not getting revised for 1.7 by the looks of it I'm done I tried to play last week I can do maybe 2 matches before I get pissed of and log onto defiance or GTA.
That's right people I find defiance more fun than dust right now.
Also player count keeps dropping I think ccp are in denial like moat studios with there first failed product
"my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1802
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:31:00 -
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8213 wrote:A Whale introduced me to DUST actually, and he has long sailed out of the EVE Universe. Everyone I've brought into the game is gone too. I have stated that DUST is losing money hand over fist (hence the removal of BPOs) because even if every active player spent $50/mo, the game would still lose money.
I play because its free and it gives me something to do until Titanfall and Homefront 2 come out (been waiting for 4 years for those two titles). Like a lot of people, I test the game out after each patch, see if anything has improved or changed enough to renew your experience.
But DUST really doesn't have a lot in it. They have a lot of skills and gear to use, but 3 gamemodes (Public, Faction, PC) and 3 gamestypes (Ambush, Skirmish, Domination) isn't going to keep people around.
You can only play the same game time after time. It makes no sense to try new things in this game, because CCP favors certain things over others, so you can only take the frustration for so long. If you set the game down for a couple months, you're left behind. Because the Passive SP still isn't enough for players to catch up. This forces AURUM sales, which is crazy to do in a game that's not even fully functional yet.
Natural attrition along with bad content, bad mechanics, and a bad playerbase is why DUST is considered a flop. It's like the movie Troll 2 (look it up if you want). Their is a reason this game has been bashed by every video game publication that stoops so low to even talk about it. CCP fanbois jump the defense of the game, but people know crap when they see it. IGN has actually removed all DUST 514 information, including the massive database about the game from their website, because they don't want this game to be associated with them because it's that bad.
People aren't stupid. If DUST was good, it wouldn't be on a downward slope of losing players. It would be getting more than 5000 people to play the game daily worldwide. All they have is a bunch of people who like a the free play and a small cult)and I mean CULT) following.
Why are you still here? Are you a cult member?
AKA: Rees Noturana https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
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8213
The Neutral Zone
673
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:40:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:8213 wrote:A Whale introduced me to DUST actually, and he has long sailed out of the EVE Universe. Everyone I've brought into the game is gone too. I have stated that DUST is losing money hand over fist (hence the removal of BPOs) because even if every active player spent $50/mo, the game would still lose money.
I play because its free and it gives me something to do until Titanfall and Homefront 2 come out (been waiting for 4 years for those two titles). Like a lot of people, I test the game out after each patch, see if anything has improved or changed enough to renew your experience.
But DUST really doesn't have a lot in it. They have a lot of skills and gear to use, but 3 gamemodes (Public, Faction, PC) and 3 gamestypes (Ambush, Skirmish, Domination) isn't going to keep people around.
You can only play the same game time after time. It makes no sense to try new things in this game, because CCP favors certain things over others, so you can only take the frustration for so long. If you set the game down for a couple months, you're left behind. Because the Passive SP still isn't enough for players to catch up. This forces AURUM sales, which is crazy to do in a game that's not even fully functional yet.
Natural attrition along with bad content, bad mechanics, and a bad playerbase is why DUST is considered a flop. It's like the movie Troll 2 (look it up if you want). Their is a reason this game has been bashed by every video game publication that stoops so low to even talk about it. CCP fanbois jump the defense of the game, but people know crap when they see it. IGN has actually removed all DUST 514 information, including the massive database about the game from their website, because they don't want this game to be associated with them because it's that bad.
People aren't stupid. If DUST was good, it wouldn't be on a downward slope of losing players. It would be getting more than 5000 people to play the game daily worldwide. All they have is a bunch of people who like a the free play and a small cult)and I mean CULT) following. Why are you still here? Are you a cult member?
Pretty sure I explained that in my post. But, like a lot of people on this forum, you read something and only pick out the parts you want to and dismiss everything else that won't suit whatever you have to say. I know, I know... reading is such a chore. Letters, words, sentences... that's asking a lot, and then to contemplate and critically think about what you read... that's asking to much |
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Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:46:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:I approve of this thread.
There is always need for more whales. We're endangered, after all.
When I first clicked on this thread, I thought it was going to be the worlds most specific recruitment thread... |
Vell0cet
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
537
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:09:00 -
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I'm sticking with the game for the long haul. I like CCP's vision, the SP system, the plan laid out at the Vegas talk, the risk vs. ISK which results in high motivation for self-preservation (and truly unique and compelling gunfights as a result). I'm frustrated at the slow pace of development, the lack of content, the horrible NPE (it needs a story-based interactive gameplay tutorial), the lack of a testing environment (see my sig for a proposal), and currently the ridiculously short TTK that makes all of the unique and interesting aspects of this game irrelevant.
Every patch has been an improvement, and I'm hoping to see all racial favors of weapons/suits/vehicles coming over the next several months, as well as the TTK being fixed (too long in 1.3, slightly too short in 1.4+ and ridiculously too short in 1.6). Integration with EVE, P2P markets, PvE, vehicle capacitors, transitioning to next-gen hardware, improved matchmaking, bigger fights, player drones, stealth, jetpacks, grappling pins/magnetic boots, deployable shields, e-war, fighting on other planets with unique physics (gravity) and locations (cloud city, lava, oceanic), richer maps (with water, caves/tunnels, vegitation, environmental effects, etc.), and in space will make this the most incredible game ever produced. Maybe I'm an idiot for having so much faith, but I think this game is truly something special, and I can't wait to see what it will evolve into in 5+ years. All I can say is I'll be glad I stuck with it from the early days and supported the game in the ways that I could to help it grow.
Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
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Tek Hound
Death In Xcess Corporation
130
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:23:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:<--- 300 dollars or more
Yup same here |
calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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The problem with dust is CCP has put to much EVE mentality into Dust. In a game like Dust we want content and a way to earn items without the ever grueling grind. I should not have to grind millions of SP just to skill into a suit that might be nerfed a month later. I should not have to grind for months to just raise my base stats to just be able to survive for another 1-2 seconds. I should not have to grind for months to max out my stats in CPU/PG and still not be able to place all the gear I need on my suit. If I am running advance I should be able to use all advance items on the suit same as proto. Challenge I dare someone to be able to put all Complex and proto items on a proto assault suit and show a working model. You cant due to lack of CPU/PG and you have to choose were to sacrifice.
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:11:00 -
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8213 wrote:Pretty sure I explained that in my post. But, like a lot of people on this forum, you read something and only pick out the parts you want to and dismiss everything else that won't suit whatever you have to say. I know, I know... reading is such a chore. Letters, words, sentences... that's asking a lot, and then to contemplate and critically think about what you read... that's asking to much
So many words. Brain 'splody. I think I found the part: you play because its free?
Let me craft a metaphor to try and understand your post. Basically, CCP laid out some free fermented shark. It tastes horrible. So horrible that most run away to barf and never come back but you continue to eat it because its free. Then there are the manly Vikings that eat it because they belong to the cult of the fermented shark.
AKA: Rees Noturana https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
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Snaps Tremor
DUST University Ivy League
380
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:30:00 -
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calvin b wrote:The problem with dust is CCP has put to much EVE mentality into Dust. In a game like Dust we want content and a way to earn items without the ever grueling grind. I should not have to grind millions of SP just to skill into a suit that might be nerfed a month later. I should not have to grind for months to just raise my base stats to just be able to survive for another 1-2 seconds. I should not have to grind for months to max out my stats in CPU/PG and still not be able to place all the gear I need on my suit. If I am running advance I should be able to use all advance items on the suit same as proto. Challenge I dare someone to be able to put all Complex and proto items on a proto assault suit and show a working model. You cant due to lack of CPU/PG and you have to choose were to sacrifice.
The problem is not with 'the grind' per se, it's that the skill paths we're offered as goals to strive for are liquid, and change in value dramatically as new patches tear up the rules of the previous versions. The only thing that's remained a steady constant is the same thing causing most of the game's upset, the ever-present AR tree.
(You can probably lose the second half of your paragraph because it gets a bit I WANT ALL OF THE THINGS ALL THE TIME.) |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
876
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:01:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Also, if any of the guys leaving want to donate their accounts to a good cause, please contact me here on the forums, or by ingame mail. Yo Dorkness!
You cannot transfer accounts. They are yours forever. With the obvious EVE inspired farming of accounts taken into account (ha-ha) all of these have accounts on their personal PSN account. Which means giving that account to someone else gives them access to everything.
A separate PSN account with one character is farmable in DUST and on PSN. Your own is not. At least only a fool would consider it. |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
876
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:06:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Please dude, we KB/M users cant even turn off mouse acceleration, and we have to live with high input lag due to the emulation. Just the messenger, here Dudeness.
I have used a KB to type in text and have tried KB/M. The mouse worked great when the small rail gun turret was worth using. The head shot with a small rail gun was very possible with a good mouse. I am not a consistent KB/M user though, I even use a controller whenever possible on my Steam games.
I don't like the break in the game mechanics that KB/M causes for me. WASD is a dumb solution in particular if you have trouble with a finger or two. As the Keyboard mapping we were supposed to get turned out to be allowing a CoD setup for controllers I have stopped using either of them. I could try them again if I could change the button/key bindings as is common in PC games. |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
876
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:11:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:So they have a passive alt on 7mil SP, another alt on 8.6mil SP
So what is there main at? Sorry if I was not clear. That player is myself. My alt is Thranx1231: Heavy, Assault, HAV Gunner with 8.6M SP.
I have another PSN account that I created sometime back (don't recall when now) that was supposed to be a Pilot and use the early released Pilot Drop Suit Skill tree. It was very expensive for SP so I started that character with the intent that it would only be a pilot. However, the pilot suit has yet to be released and thus the SP for it is unknown. So it is just sitting there waiting.
7M SP is not going to be enough for that character as I have 6.5M SP in armor tanks alone and will need to double that at the very least without adding in the pilot drop suit. |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
876
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:20:00 -
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Snaps Tremor wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:the biggest post While you're quite right about the troubled development of Dust, outside of that it just sounds like you're an Eve player at heart. Excuse me? If you have seen Any posts from me that contain EVE it is obvious I hate that game and 99.999% of its players. I hated it before DUST and only because of playing here I have finally found a few EVE players that are likeable nice people. Every other person I ever knew that played or wrote about EVE were horrible examples of something less than humanity.
Is that clear enough for you?
I am an RPG player that does some FPS (Borderland level no CoD or BF(1-N). The tied in to EVE as an MMO with the RPG/FPS is what got me interested. The failure to deliver what was promised or to even come close the to great potential of the game is what is driving my friends away. I am still here. Quite grumpy, admittedly, but here.
For all its greatness MAG is dead, or will be when SONY finally kills the servers in Jan/2014. I never played it. |
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
876
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:23:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:What counts as a whale? Between my son and myself I think I'm at about $260. I've used up my Elite Pack and it's about time to buy new boosters. I just added money to my SOE account but I haven't pulled the trigger. I may go without until 1.7 drops and then see if I'm disappointed or not. My son has already moved on. Whale. Definitely.
A normal game cost $60. It might require monthly access Xbox Live $5/month (and PS4 soon as well). Spending four times what you would on a non-Free game must surely count as a whale.
Sorry to hear about your son already having moved on. 1.7 will be the make or break for me as well. |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
876
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:28:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote:IKB/M support was one reason given, consoles are controllers driven and many don't like the lack of balance I can quite honestly say your friends have no ******* clue what they're talking about. Mouse input is crippled in Dust so badly anyone complaining about it is hating just to hate. There is no missing clue, Zyrus.
You just have different opinions than some of my friends is all. Clues are not required when all the data is in.
They don't like the imbalance that KB/M gives over controller players. It is well known and documented extensively. Aim Assist has helped but it makes the game less fun.
And KB/M players have a very well stated opinion regarding CCP ganking their mice. All true. However, if you don't like to play against controllers because they can easily kill you then you have the right to that opinion. Just as they do because they fell that KB/M players have a distinct advantage over them.
Just the way it is. |
Snaps Tremor
DUST University Ivy League
386
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Posted - 2013.11.13 03:47:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:some tipped over pot plants
Hi! I was replying to the guy I quoted. |
calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
914
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Posted - 2013.11.13 05:17:00 -
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Snaps Tremor wrote:calvin b wrote:The problem with dust is CCP has put to much EVE mentality into Dust. In a game like Dust we want content and a way to earn items without the ever grueling grind. I should not have to grind millions of SP just to skill into a suit that might be nerfed a month later. I should not have to grind for months to just raise my base stats to just be able to survive for another 1-2 seconds. I should not have to grind for months to max out my stats in CPU/PG and still not be able to place all the gear I need on my suit. If I am running advance I should be able to use all advance items on the suit same as proto. Challenge I dare someone to be able to put all Complex and proto items on a proto assault suit and show a working model. You cant due to lack of CPU/PG and you have to choose were to sacrifice.
The problem is not with 'the grind' per se, it's that the skill paths we're offered as goals to strive for are liquid, and change in value dramatically as new patches tear up the rules of the previous versions. The only thing that's remained a steady constant is the same thing causing most of the game's upset, the ever-present AR tree. (You can probably lose the second half of your paragraph because it gets a bit I WANT ALL OF THE THINGS ALL THE TIME.)
Hows that I want all things. Here is two examples anyone could follow. I buy a new sports car, I spent years saving up and I am loving the thought of owning this car. I show up and the dealer tells me I can have the body and maybe the stereo but I cant have the V8 unless I upgrade my electric system or I can lose the radio, power windows, and locks and then I can afford to put a 4 cylinder into the car if i decide to keep the accessories. Then after a month of driving it, they recall it and remove 2 of the tires because the car is faster than others and it might not be fair to other drivers that I am faster.
Second example you spent years saving up to buy a new house. After you have done your research and acquired a loan you are now set to buy the house. After buying the house the realtor removes some windows and doors and says they cant all fit in your house and you need to upgrade or you cant keep them. Stunned you quickly upgrade the house to keep all your windows and doors. A month later the bank shows up and bulldozes half the house, why because the neighbors are complaining your house is better and you should not have anything better than them. As you stare at your demolished house you request to have your money return, the bank laughs and say save up to buy another one as they walk off.
Do not eat the yellow snow
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
459
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Posted - 2013.11.13 09:57:00 -
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I can see not playing the game buttrashing characters makes no sense as maybe one day it will be worth playing to them again and they'll have millions of sp. Hell maybe CCP will give them free stuff even |
Vin Mora
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
249
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:08:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:<--- 300 dollars or more I got you beat on this regard.
A while ago, I would have been happy to say that I spent the money, now...
Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4349
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:33:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:Cat Merc wrote:<--- 300 dollars or more I got you beat on this regard. A while ago, I would have been happy to say that I spent the money, now... I said 300 or more. I lost track after the 9billion merc pack.
I know for a fact that I bought: An elite pack Whatever the the 50 dollars pack is. A new merc pack. Something like 20 dollars on small things. 15 dollars on another.
And I lost track how many times I bought the old merc pack. But I can safely say it's 10+.
Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant
Beta Vet
Level 4 Forum Warrior
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