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Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 927	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:35:00 - [1] - Quote Why?? In 1.7 ARs and ASCR are getting a range buff makeing the laser pointless to use. I.e. in 1.7 with a laser be it basic, advanced or proto the range is hard capped at 84m and versus the ARs or ASCR at 90m the situation is the laser is doing 1% damage versus the much higher damage of an AR or ASCR and by the time the laser user manages to close the gap to be doing damage at 84m the problem is that by then the laser user is dead. Its pointless to use any laser but the basic laser since all laser weapons have the same range. Just tired of it being AR514. Just playing Dust 514 until Black Friday then its on to other PS3 games and PS4 games so Dust 514 is getting benched to hardly any playtime. And if no changes to lasers in 1.7?? Then I will just hit delete on this game and move on.
Talos Vagheitan 176	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:37:00 - [2] - Quote Gotta love the "BUFF MY GUN OR I QUIT" posts Who cares what some sniper has to say
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 927	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:58:00 - [3] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Gotta love the "BUFF MY GUN OR I QUIT" posts Your sig says you love a balanced game but what you really mean is sniper does not count, laser does not count, shotgun does not count, HMG does not count, etc. I see an AR fanboy since every time I see you its GEK........lol.
Text Grant Death Firm. 202	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:15:00 - [4] - Quote Actually they do crazy DPS in their range. So they need no buff. Sorry, bye! :)
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 927	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:19:00 - [5] - Quote Text Grant wrote: Actually they do crazy DPS in their range. So they need no buff. Sorry, bye! :) Geez! another AR fanboy. What a surprise!!........sarcasm. The laser is hard capped at 84m and at 85m or more the do .17 per bullet. So wheres that "crazy damage"?? Oh yeah get in closer as the new rifles are dealing damage to you. Like when the TAR was OP and the response was get in closer........lol!! Folks just died before they managed to get in close.
Text Grant Death Firm. 202	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:29:00 - [6] - Quote It's a nitch weapon. It does crazy DPS in its optimal range. If you don't like it use the scrambler rifle, or sniper rifle. It's not meant to kill at all ranges. Are you leaving or not?
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 927	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:33:00 - [7] - Quote Text Grant wrote: It's a nitch weapon. It does crazy DPS in its optimal range. If you don't like it use the scrambler rifle, or sniper rifle. It's not meant to kill at all ranges. Are you leaving or not? Good attitude and with folks like you in AR514 we went from 9226 online player counts to BELOW 5000 during a TRIPLE SP event....lol!! Do we have 1.7 yet?? Just waiting for Black Friday.
Text Grant Death Firm. 202	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:47:00 - [8] - Quote Actually I'm all for making the game better. Just not breaking it. Lets nerf all damage by the 10% it was buffed and make a game mode with only basic and militia gear.
dogmanpig black market bank 33	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:48:00 - [9] - Quote effective range damage =30% damage in CCP terms You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 927	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:56:00 - [10] - Quote dogmanpig wrote: effective range damage =30% damage in CCP terms With an AR you get that 30% damage past optimal. With a laser you do not since you need two or three complex damage mods to get some kills. But even with all that at 85m you are doing 1% damage past the optimal window VERSUS 30% damage being done by AS rifle, ARs and the new rifles. So I am not asking for any AR nerfs but instead just asking for a small laser buff since otherwise its pointless to use the laser in 1.7 And right now its pointless to use anything but the basic laser since the advanced and proto versions suck. All three have the same range and all three do 17 per bullet. Basic laser is the best option out of three bad choices.

Hecarim Van Hohen Unkn0wn Killers 229	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:17:00 - [11] - Quote Agreed that LR needs to be looked at because of the said range buffs. As I do not use the said weapon I have no ideas how to reasonably buff them so I'll leave that to people that acctually use the LR. Hopefully I'll still see those lasers in 1.7 D-í¦¦¦¦i-ó¦¦¦+¦¿¦ºv-ë-£i-ë¦ó¦¦d¦ò-Ç¦íe¦¦-ë-í¦ò-ó ¦ò¦+-üw¦¿¦¦e-ü -ë¦òs¦¢¦+t-Å¦+-£a¦¢-án-¥¦¢-ƒ¦¢d-ü-í-ó¦ó-ó ¦¦u-ÿ-ó¦¦¦+n-ÿ-í¦¦-ü-ëi¦ó-ó-Pt-Å-Åe¦º-Å-Çd-Å-ó -ü-ÿ-ü-íw¦¿-¥-£¦í-ëe¦¦-ÿ-ü -í-ü¦óf-ía¦¢¦+-P¦í-ól-ƒ¦ó
Joel II X AHPA 127	Posted - 2013.11.11 14:53:00 - [12] - Quote The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers.
Hecarim Van Hohen Unkn0wn Killers 232	Posted - 2013.11.11 15:35:00 - [13] - Quote Joel II X wrote: The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. I've seen so few lasers and even those have failed to kill me except on very few rare occasions, atleast I have the luxury of turning and fire back on a laser unlike duvolle/gek/ar :D D-í¦¦¦¦i-ó¦¦¦+¦¿¦ºv-ë-£i-ë¦ó¦¦d¦ò-Ç¦íe¦¦-ë-í¦ò-ó ¦ò¦+-üw¦¿¦¦e-ü -ë¦òs¦¢¦+t-Å¦+-£a¦¢-án-¥¦¢-ƒ¦¢d-ü-í-ó¦ó-ó ¦¦u-ÿ-ó¦¦¦+n-ÿ-í¦¦-ü-ëi¦ó-ó-Pt-Å-Åe¦º-Å-Çd-Å-ó -ü-ÿ-ü-íw¦¿-¥-£¦í-ëe¦¦-ÿ-ü -í-ü¦óf-ía¦¢¦+-P¦í-ól-ƒ¦ó
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 209	Posted - 2013.11.11 15:43:00 - [14] - Quote Joel II X wrote: The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. Well the standard laser is pretty good, right now imho the laser has three problems: 1) speccing into operation is not benefitting enough the cooldown reduction is not really worth the SP to be honest I just spent the SP to get acces to the proficiency skill. 2) scaling across the tiers is not very good using anything else than the std laser is a waste of ISK imho. 3) people that don't exactly know the optimals for the laser and constantly using them like ARs With 1.7 there could be another issue: the Rail Rifle will be more effective in the lasers optimal range. I guess the RR will render the laser nearly useless it has better range and comparable damage output without the drawbacks of having only a small optimals niche or overheating. (At least as far as I know ^^).
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 853	Posted - 2013.11.11 16:23:00 - [15] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Why?? In 1.7 ARs and ASCR are getting a range buff makeing the laser pointless to use. I.e. in 1.7 with a laser be it basic, advanced or proto the range is hard capped at 84m and versus the ARs or ASCR at 90m the situation is the laser is doing 1% damage versus the much higher damage of an AR or ASCR and by the time the laser user manages to close the gap to be doing damage at 84m the problem is that by then the laser user is dead. Its pointless to use any laser but the basic laser since all laser weapons have the same range. Just tired of it being AR514. Just playing Dust 514 until Black Friday then its on to other PS3 games and PS4 games so Dust 514 is getting benched to hardly any playtime. And if no changes to lasers in 1.7?? Then I will just hit delete on this game and move on. every time I read one of these I have a 5 year-old girl's voice over it. also, gtfo my obstacle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikI1CMori0w
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 853	Posted - 2013.11.11 16:24:00 - [16] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Text Grant wrote: It's a nitch weapon. It does crazy DPS in its optimal range. If you don't like it use the scrambler rifle, or sniper rifle. It's not meant to kill at all ranges. Are you leaving or not? Good attitude and with folks like you in AR514 we went from 9226 online player counts to BELOW 5000 during a TRIPLE SP event....lol!! Do we have 1.7 yet?? Just waiting for Black Friday. is this guy just going to qq about some random thing in every post in this thread?
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 470	Posted - 2013.11.11 16:27:00 - [17] - Quote laser seems fine to me. as it melts everything within its range...
Ferindar Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 75	Posted - 2013.11.11 17:58:00 - [18] - Quote A fix to the laser? Make ADV and PRO levels have more range. Seems to be a simple fix if this is such a problem with the range. *I am the middle finger of God. You may call me a Sniper.*
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 922	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:10:00 - [19] - Quote Its the optimal range that needs buffing. They need at least a 40m wide optimal to make them useful. In the world of DUST/ The words are all in haiku/ Tweets are just too long
Joel II X AHPA 128	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:30:00 - [20] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Joel II X wrote: The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. Well the standard laser is pretty good, right now imho the laser has three problems: 1) speccing into operation is not benefitting enough the cooldown reduction is not really worth the SP to be honest I just spent the SP to get acces to the proficiency skill. 2) scaling across the tiers is not very good using anything else than the std laser is a waste of ISK imho. 3) people that don't exactly know the optimals for the laser and constantly using them like ARs With 1.7 there could be another issue: the Rail Rifle will be more effective in the lasers optimal range. I guess the RR will render the laser nearly useless it has better range and comparable damage output without the drawbacks of having only a small optimals niche or overheating. (At least as far as I know ^^). Have you used it with Amarr Assualt?

Joel II X AHPA 131	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:33:00 - [21] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Joel II X wrote: The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. I've seen so few lasers and even those have failed to kill me except on very few rare occasions, atleast I have the luxury of turning and fire back on a laser unlike duvolle/gek/ar :D You mean you never had the luxury of being melted by a Viziam with complex damage mods?
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 465	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:06:00 - [22] - Quote Ineffective at short range, close range, but effective in just a small window to suddenly end isn't quite appropriate. A tapering drop off would be optimal rather than the dead end that it has currently. Most other weapons are effective at their optimal ranges and under. This one only has one ranged area it can effect, damage should ramp up and peter out similarly.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 20	Posted - 2013.11.11 23:13:00 - [23] - Quote Buff the damage a little bit (from 17 to about 19 or 20), extend the range from 65-85 to about 55-90, with damage dropoff not hitting really hard until about 110m. Imo my biggest issues with the laser are the rate of ammo consumption, the damage formula being based off the number of consecutive shots fired (17 + [0.6 * shots fired consecutively]) instead of damage buildup being based on heat management, and the relatively small window of 'holy crap this weapon is amazing' effectiveness compared to weapons like the assault rifle.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 259	Posted - 2013.11.11 23:31:00 - [24] - Quote "Everyone who disagrees me is an AR user!" Everyone do yourselves a favor and ignore this child. Long Live Freedom; Long Live the Federation.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2292	Posted - 2013.11.11 23:40:00 - [25] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1412603#post1412603 Since they can't possibly be making the standard worse I think its fair to say that lasers will be looked at for rebalancing. Even if they don't maintain their supremacy at range small changes to damage or heat capacity could be significant. -ê HellsGÇáorm Director -ê `Gû¦Amarr VictorGû¦`
Alam Storm Neo Terra Imperial Army Neo Terra Empire 22	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:41:00 - [26] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Why?? In 1.7 ARs and ASCR are getting a range buff makeing the laser pointless to use. I.e. in 1.7 with a laser be it basic, advanced or proto the range is hard capped at 84m and versus the ARs or ASCR at 90m the situation is the laser is doing 1% damage versus the much higher damage of an AR or ASCR and by the time the laser user manages to close the gap to be doing damage at 84m the problem is that by then the laser user is dead. Its pointless to use any laser but the basic laser since all laser weapons have the same range. Just tired of it being AR514. Just playing Dust 514 until Black Friday then its on to other PS3 games and PS4 games so Dust 514 is getting benched to hardly any playtime. And if no changes to lasers in 1.7?? Then I will just hit delete on this game and move on. your an idiot with the AR the further the target is the more dispersion it will have there for will need more bullets to hit the laser guy if the laser got in range it will eat the AR before the AR can take its shields down the laser shoots in a strait line there is no dispersion that i know of either quit ya Biatching and play or quit there will be 1 less noob who thinks there gun should be better then everyone elses on the game
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 934	Posted - 2013.11.12 08:15:00 - [27] - Quote Alam Storm wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Why?? In 1.7 ARs and ASCR are getting a range buff makeing the laser pointless to use. I.e. in 1.7 with a laser be it basic, advanced or proto the range is hard capped at 84m and versus the ARs or ASCR at 90m the situation is the laser is doing 1% damage versus the much higher damage of an AR or ASCR and by the time the laser user manages to close the gap to be doing damage at 84m the problem is that by then the laser user is dead. Its pointless to use any laser but the basic laser since all laser weapons have the same range. Just tired of it being AR514. Just playing Dust 514 until Black Friday then its on to other PS3 games and PS4 games so Dust 514 is getting benched to hardly any playtime. And if no changes to lasers in 1.7?? Then I will just hit delete on this game and move on. your an idiot with the AR the further the target is the more dispersion it will have there for will need more bullets to hit the laser guy if the laser got in range it will eat the AR before the AR can take its shields down the laser shoots in a strait line there is no dispersion that i know of either quit ya Biatching and play or quit there will be 1 less noob who thinks there gun should be better then everyone elses on the game you bring a laser and I will bring an ezmode Duvolle , Krin or a Balac ar operations level five, ar proficiency level five, ar shapshooter level five, ar reload level five, ar reload proficiency level five= EZMODE
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 210	Posted - 2013.11.12 09:05:00 - [28] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Joel II X wrote: The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. Well the standard laser is pretty good, right now imho the laser has three problems: 1) speccing into operation is not benefitting enough the cooldown reduction is not really worth the SP to be honest I just spent the SP to get acces to the proficiency skill. 2) scaling across the tiers is not very good using anything else than the std laser is a waste of ISK imho. 3) people that don't exactly know the optimals for the laser and constantly using them like ARs With 1.7 there could be another issue: the Rail Rifle will be more effective in the lasers optimal range. I guess the RR will render the laser nearly useless it has better range and comparable damage output without the drawbacks of having only a small optimals niche or overheating. (At least as far as I know ^^). Have you used it with Amarr Assualt? Nope not yet I use the laser either with a gal medium suit or a heavy as I have not yet specced into Amar Assaultsuits
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 210	Posted - 2013.11.12 09:07:00 - [29] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Buff the damage a little bit (from 17 to about 19 or 20), extend the range from 65-85 to about 55-90, with damage dropoff not hitting really hard until about 110m. Imo my biggest issues with the laser are the rate of ammo consumption, the damage formula being based off the number of consecutive shots fired (17 + [0.6 * shots fired consecutively]) instead of damage buildup being based on heat management, and the relatively small window of 'holy crap this weapon is amazing' effectiveness compared to weapons like the assault rifle. The damage buff would probably too much as this mean the return of the OP Chromosome Viziam . But I agree on the Range buff...
Text Grant Death Firm. 208	Posted - 2013.11.12 10:21:00 - [30] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Joel II X wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Joel II X wrote: The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. Well the standard laser is pretty good, right now imho the laser has three problems: 1) speccing into operation is not benefitting enough the cooldown reduction is not really worth the SP to be honest I just spent the SP to get acces to the proficiency skill. 2) scaling across the tiers is not very good using anything else than the std laser is a waste of ISK imho. 3) people that don't exactly know the optimals for the laser and constantly using them like ARs With 1.7 there could be another issue: the Rail Rifle will be more effective in the lasers optimal range. I guess the RR will render the laser nearly useless it has better range and comparable damage output without the drawbacks of having only a small optimals niche or overheating. (At least as far as I know ^^). Have you used it with Amarr Assualt? Nope not yet I use the laser either with a gal medium suit or a heavy as I have not yet specced into Amar Assaultsuits There's your problem!

Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 210	Posted - 2013.11.12 10:58:00 - [31] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Joel II X wrote: The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. Well the standard laser is pretty good, right now imho the laser has three problems: 1) speccing into operation is not benefitting enough the cooldown reduction is not really worth the SP to be honest I just spent the SP to get acces to the proficiency skill. 2) scaling across the tiers is not very good using anything else than the std laser is a waste of ISK imho. 3) people that don't exactly know the optimals for the laser and constantly using them like ARs With 1.7 there could be another issue: the Rail Rifle will be more effective in the lasers optimal range. I guess the RR will render the laser nearly useless it has better range and comparable damage output without the drawbacks of having only a small optimals niche or overheating. (At least as far as I know ^^). Have you used it with Amarr Assualt? Maybe you could enlight me what the suit does for scaling the LR across the tiers? Or what does the suit for people not knowing how to proper use the LR. In fact I think the standard LR is pretty good and I know with an amar assault suit it would be even better. But the Suit do not solve the propblem that the operation skill does not much for you or that the advanced or proto variants get only small benefits compared to the price increase.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 855	Posted - 2013.11.12 11:35:00 - [32] - Quote if you want an lr buff, then you can run an amarr assault suit. that is all.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 269	Posted - 2013.11.12 12:13:00 - [33] - Quote Joel II X wrote: The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. This is the thinking we have got to get away from. At 2m my shotgun can wreck a duvolle users in maybe 1-2shots. In their optimal lasers can wreck a duvolle. These are niche weapons in their niche environments, good God they better be good at something. ARs however creep into the niche, being able to nearly beat these niche weapons in their environment. Duvolles crush a shotgun in close range if they see them, they lose nothing in hip firing. And have similar damage to an LR up to max range. Plus Duvolles get the added benefit of winning in all other situations outside that niche. So they destroy all shotguns from 10m+ AND compete at sub 6m. They dominate LRs up to about 65m and compete with them outside 85m.
Doshneil Antaro Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 154	Posted - 2013.11.12 16:18:00 - [34] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Buff the damage a little bit (from 17 to about 19 or 20), extend the range from 65-85 to about 55-90, with damage dropoff not hitting really hard until about 110m. Imo my biggest issues with the laser are the rate of ammo consumption, the damage formula being based off the number of consecutive shots fired (17 + [0.6 * shots fired consecutively]) instead of damage buildup being based on heat management, and the relatively small window of 'holy crap this weapon is amazing' effectiveness compared to weapons like the assault rifle. The damage is fine at optimal, it is the steep drop off outside it's small window that kills it. I do think the range needs to be adjusted to compete as you point out, with the fall off not being near as steep. It should still have some usefulness outside it's optimal range like every other weapon does. Even at point blank range vs an AR you should be able to pop the enemies shields before he murders you completely.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 936	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:11:00 - [35] - Quote low genius wrote: if you want an lr buff, then you can run an amarr assault suit. that is all. Tried that and I want my SP back. Why? Amarr Assault 2 complex damage mods plus basic laser. But I get better results from Ammar Logistics plus basic laser since I can fit three complex damage mods and get more damage and thus more kills.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 122	Posted - 2013.11.12 20:04:00 - [36] - Quote No more Weapons Buff. It's useless to buff weapons one by one it creat the FOTM every time. Just Nerf all the weapons affected by the Hit detection issues : Assault rifle : (Exept breach and Burst). Assault Scrambler Rifle. SMG All the future Rifles (Rail AND combat) because they we're made and adjusted to be competitive against Assault rifle. Making weapons as good as overpowered weapon is bad. (High RoF weapons exept HMG which is fine now)
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 122	Posted - 2013.11.12 20:06:00 - [37] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: low genius wrote: if you want an lr buff, then you can run an amarr assault suit. that is all. Tried that and I want my SP back. Why? Amarr Assault 2 complex damage mods plus basic laser. But I get better results from Ammar Logistics plus basic laser since I can fit three complex damage mods and get more damage and thus more kills. Yep ! And Amarr Assault make than you can shoot longer with Laser. What the point ? I mean assault rifle DPS is better than Laser even when laser is at optimal range. What's the point about shooting longer while you make less damage and the most important point...you're already dead.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 936	Posted - 2013.11.13 05:55:00 - [38] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: low genius wrote: if you want an lr buff, then you can run an amarr assault suit. that is all. Tried that and I want my SP back. Why? Amarr Assault 2 complex damage mods plus basic laser. But I get better results from Ammar Logistics plus basic laser since I can fit three complex damage mods and get more damage and thus more kills. Yep ! And Amarr Assault make than you can shoot longer with Laser. What the point ? I mean assault rifle DPS is better than Laser even when laser is at optimal range. What's the point about shooting longer while you make less damage and the most important point...you're already dead. Yeah. Start of match 1 kill five deaths using laser then decided to run Duvolle AR and finished match 19 and 5.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 938	Posted - 2013.11.15 21:46:00 - [39] - Quote .
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 939	Posted - 2013.11.16 15:32:00 - [40] - Quote 1.7 means laser : its complete but obsolete tomorrows become yesterday

Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 357	Posted - 2013.11.16 15:39:00 - [41] - Quote AR are getting a range nerf, and i bet its 1m less *Assassination is my thing.*
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 939	Posted - 2013.11.16 20:12:00 - [42] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: AR are getting a range nerf, and i bet its 1m less FALSE!! ARs are getting a range BUFF. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117279&find=unread
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 940	Posted - 2013.11.19 00:47:00 - [43] - Quote .
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1259	Posted - 2013.11.19 05:31:00 - [44] - Quote Text Grant wrote: Actually they do crazy DPS in their range. So they need no buff. Sorry, bye! :) Only about 50 more DPS than a GEK except the GEK does the same DPS from 0-55 meters while the LR does it's in 35-50. Not to mention the LR gets no more damage at ADV and PRO ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
MRBH1997 Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 28	Posted - 2013.11.19 05:38:00 - [45] - Quote I do feel the laser rifle lacks the range it should have for being a laser rifle and all but nothing more really because when I use it in effective range it can be deadly. CEO of Knights of Ender, Pro Jack of All Traits
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 147	Posted - 2013.11.19 12:12:00 - [46] - Quote They need to increase the size of the optimal range......instead of 35-50 meters.....how bout 30-60 meters...or 25-55
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 228	Posted - 2013.11.19 12:26:00 - [47] - Quote Joel II X wrote: The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. You are right I can easily kill a Duvolle User with a Laser Rifle in my optimal Range and outside the Duvolles optimal range but this is simply by design. If its the other way round a Duvolle will win anytime. So here is not the big problem, the problem comes with the new rifles to be precise with the Rail Rifle. The RR will have better DPS, more Range and less damage falloff this thing will simply make the LR obsolote in its current state. BTW the same will be mostly true for the current AR it will most likely be outperformed by the AsCR and CR as both have more Range and basicly the same DPS. This concept is somewhat stupid. Instead of creating real niches for every kind of AR CCP creates just improved copies of one AR this is really sad and CCP wasted a big oppertunity for real diversity here.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 949	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:01:00 - [48] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Joel II X wrote: The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. You are right I can easily kill a Duvolle User with a Laser Rifle in my optimal Range and outside the Duvolles optimal range but this is simply by design. If its the other way round a Duvolle will win anytime. So here is not the big problem, the problem comes with the new rifles to be precise with the Rail Rifle. The RR will have better DPS, more Range and less damage falloff this thing will simply make the LR obsolote in its current state. BTW the same will be mostly true for the current AR it will most likely be outperformed by the AsCR and CR as both have more Range and basicly the same DPS. This concept is somewhat stupid. Instead of creating real niches for every kind of AR CCP creates just improved copies of one AR this is really sad and CCP wasted a big oppertunity for real diversity here. Agreed.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 154	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:12:00 - [49] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Gotta love the "BUFF MY GUN OR I QUIT" posts Quite and if it's not this weapon it will be the next one, or the next blah blah blah. !
Lillica Deathdealer Mango and Friends 446	Posted - 2013.11.19 20:48:00 - [50] - Quote It would be nice if the laser got a range buff, or a little less sharp damage reduction curve at range. But otherwise, be a man and invest in it. Laser prof. 5, amarr assault 5, damage mods proto, so you know its good. Too bad its awful to start in on first thing though. - Fear the Mango - Fear its friends - Closed beta vet, Forum warrior prof. III

cooldudesuper1 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.11.19 21:27:00 - [51] - Quote LOL on skirmishes if im messing round with a lazer, i get like 30/2 in a basic frame, lazers are still OP, just they dont have 250M range, so GTFO lol, it got banned after a day:O
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 949	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:59:00 - [52] - Quote cooldudesuper1 wrote: LOL on skirmishes if im messing round with a lazer, i get like 30/2 in a basic frame, lazers are still OP, just they dont have 250M range, so GTFO Did you bother reading any part of my post on why lasers will be useless once 1.7 hits?? I am guessing a rotund no.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 949	Posted - 2013.11.20 02:09:00 - [53] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Gotta love the "BUFF MY GUN OR I QUIT" posts Quite and if it's not this weapon it will be the next one, or the next blah blah blah. ! I say good job!! on a stance like that. Once 1.7 makes lasers worthless its just HTFU? You see we used to be at 9220 player counts but we got HTFU in response to unkillable LLAVs, TAC spam, core flaylock spam, fused contact grenade spam, worthless hmg builds, useless scout builds. And the players began to leave to the point of a triple sp event and player counts were LESS than 6000 then a bit later at another triple sp event and player counts were LESS than 5000. Perhaps when player counts are LESS than 2000 some folks may bother to stop and read about worthless weapons that are not ARs?? Now excuse me while I go see whats the sneak preview of the Fallout Four website that Bethesda has a countdown timer on.
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 151	Posted - 2013.11.20 02:12:00 - [54] - Quote Simply make the sweet spot bigger. Say 40m to 84m.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 949	Posted - 2013.11.20 02:15:00 - [55] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Simply make the sweet spot bigger. Say 40m to 84m. Yeah. Now back to Three Dog!!
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4170	Posted - 2013.11.20 02:16:00 - [56] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Simply make the sweet spot bigger. Say 40m to 84m. Yeah. Now back to Three Dog!! There he goes fighting that Good Fight. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"


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