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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.12 10:58:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Joel II X wrote:The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. Well the standard laser is pretty good, right now imho the laser has three problems: 1) speccing into operation is not benefitting enough the cooldown reduction is not really worth the SP to be honest I just spent the SP to get acces to the proficiency skill. 2) scaling across the tiers is not very good using anything else than the std laser is a waste of ISK imho. 3) people that don't exactly know the optimals for the laser and constantly using them like ARs With 1.7 there could be another issue: the Rail Rifle will be more effective in the lasers optimal range. I guess the RR will render the laser nearly useless it has better range and comparable damage output without the drawbacks of having only a small optimals niche or overheating. (At least as far as I know ^^). Have you used it with Amarr Assualt?
Maybe you could enlight me what the suit does for scaling the LR across the tiers? Or what does the suit for people not knowing how to proper use the LR.
In fact I think the standard LR is pretty good and I know with an amar assault suit it would be even better. But the Suit do not solve the propblem that the operation skill does not much for you or that the advanced or proto variants get only small benefits compared to the price increase. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.12 11:35:00 -
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if you want an lr buff, then you can run an amarr assault suit.
that is all. |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 12:13:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers.
This is the thinking we have got to get away from. At 2m my shotgun can wreck a duvolle users in maybe 1-2shots. In their optimal lasers can wreck a duvolle.
These are niche weapons in their niche environments, good God they better be good at something.
ARs however creep into the niche, being able to nearly beat these niche weapons in their environment. Duvolles crush a shotgun in close range if they see them, they lose nothing in hip firing. And have similar damage to an LR up to max range.
Plus Duvolles get the added benefit of winning in all other situations outside that niche. So they destroy all shotguns from 10m+ AND compete at sub 6m. They dominate LRs up to about 65m and compete with them outside 85m. |
Doshneil Antaro
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:18:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Buff the damage a little bit (from 17 to about 19 or 20), extend the range from 65-85 to about 55-90, with damage dropoff not hitting really hard until about 110m.
Imo my biggest issues with the laser are the rate of ammo consumption, the damage formula being based off the number of consecutive shots fired (17 + [0.6 * shots fired consecutively]) instead of damage buildup being based on heat management, and the relatively small window of 'holy crap this weapon is amazing' effectiveness compared to weapons like the assault rifle. The damage is fine at optimal, it is the steep drop off outside it's small window that kills it. I do think the range needs to be adjusted to compete as you point out, with the fall off not being near as steep. It should still have some usefulness outside it's optimal range like every other weapon does. Even at point blank range vs an AR you should be able to pop the enemies shields before he murders you completely. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:11:00 -
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low genius wrote:if you want an lr buff, then you can run an amarr assault suit. that is all.
Tried that and I want my SP back.
Why?
Amarr Assault 2 complex damage mods plus basic laser.
But I get better results from Ammar Logistics plus basic laser since I can fit three complex damage mods and get more damage and thus more kills.
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:04:00 -
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No more Weapons Buff. It's useless to buff weapons one by one it creat the FOTM every time.
Just Nerf all the weapons affected by the Hit detection issues :
Assault rifle : (Exept breach and Burst). Assault Scrambler Rifle. SMG All the future Rifles (Rail AND combat) because they we're made and adjusted to be competitive against Assault rifle. Making weapons as good as overpowered weapon is bad.
(High RoF weapons exept HMG which is fine now)
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:06:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:low genius wrote:if you want an lr buff, then you can run an amarr assault suit. that is all. Tried that and I want my SP back. Why? Amarr Assault 2 complex damage mods plus basic laser. But I get better results from Ammar Logistics plus basic laser since I can fit three complex damage mods and get more damage and thus more kills.
Yep ! And Amarr Assault make than you can shoot longer with Laser. What the point ? I mean assault rifle DPS is better than Laser even when laser is at optimal range. What's the point about shooting longer while you make less damage and the most important point...you're already dead. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.13 05:55:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:low genius wrote:if you want an lr buff, then you can run an amarr assault suit. that is all. Tried that and I want my SP back. Why? Amarr Assault 2 complex damage mods plus basic laser. But I get better results from Ammar Logistics plus basic laser since I can fit three complex damage mods and get more damage and thus more kills. Yep ! And Amarr Assault make than you can shoot longer with Laser. What the point ? I mean assault rifle DPS is better than Laser even when laser is at optimal range. What's the point about shooting longer while you make less damage and the most important point...you're already dead.
Yeah. Start of match 1 kill five deaths using laser then decided to run Duvolle AR and finished match 19 and 5. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 21:46:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.16 15:32:00 -
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1.7 means laser :
its complete but obsolete tomorrows become yesterday |
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
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Posted - 2013.11.16 15:39:00 -
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AR are getting a range nerf, and i bet its 1m less
Assassination is my thing.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.16 20:12:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:AR are getting a range nerf, and i bet its 1m less
FALSE!!
ARs are getting a range BUFF.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117279&find=unread |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 00:47:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 05:31:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:Actually they do crazy DPS in their range. So they need no buff. Sorry, bye! :) Only about 50 more DPS than a GEK except the GEK does the same DPS from 0-55 meters while the LR does it's in 35-50.
Not to mention the LR gets no more damage at ADV and PRO
ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist
Amarr Sentinel | Amarr Logi | Losematar Scout
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MRBH1997
Knights Of Ender Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 05:38:00 -
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I do feel the laser rifle lacks the range it should have for being a laser rifle and all but nothing more really because when I use it in effective range it can be deadly.
CEO of Knights of Ender, Pro Jack of All Traits
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Shadow Archeus
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.11.19 12:12:00 -
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They need to increase the size of the optimal range......instead of 35-50 meters.....how bout 30-60 meters...or 25-55 |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.19 12:26:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers.
You are right I can easily kill a Duvolle User with a Laser Rifle in my optimal Range and outside the Duvolles optimal range but this is simply by design. If its the other way round a Duvolle will win anytime. So here is not the big problem, the problem comes with the new rifles to be precise with the Rail Rifle.
The RR will have better DPS, more Range and less damage falloff this thing will simply make the LR obsolote in its current state.
BTW the same will be mostly true for the current AR it will most likely be outperformed by the AsCR and CR as both have more Range and basicly the same DPS. This concept is somewhat stupid.
Instead of creating real niches for every kind of AR CCP creates just improved copies of one AR this is really sad and CCP wasted a big oppertunity for real diversity here. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 20:01:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Joel II X wrote:The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. You are right I can easily kill a Duvolle User with a Laser Rifle in my optimal Range and outside the Duvolles optimal range but this is simply by design. If its the other way round a Duvolle will win anytime. So here is not the big problem, the problem comes with the new rifles to be precise with the Rail Rifle. The RR will have better DPS, more Range and less damage falloff this thing will simply make the LR obsolote in its current state. BTW the same will be mostly true for the current AR it will most likely be outperformed by the AsCR and CR as both have more Range and basicly the same DPS. This concept is somewhat stupid. Instead of creating real niches for every kind of AR CCP creates just improved copies of one AR this is really sad and CCP wasted a big oppertunity for real diversity here.
Agreed. |
Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2013.11.19 20:12:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Gotta love the "BUFF MY GUN OR I QUIT" posts
Quite and if it's not this weapon it will be the next one, or the next blah blah blah. ! |
Lillica Deathdealer
Mango and Friends
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Posted - 2013.11.19 20:48:00 -
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It would be nice if the laser got a range buff, or a little less sharp damage reduction curve at range. But otherwise, be a man and invest in it. Laser prof. 5, amarr assault 5, damage mods proto, so you know its good. Too bad its awful to start in on first thing though.
- Fear the Mango - Fear its friends -
Closed beta vet, Forum warrior prof. III
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cooldudesuper1
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:27:00 -
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LOL on skirmishes if im messing round with a lazer, i get like 30/2 in a basic frame, lazers are still OP, just they dont have 250M range, so GTFO
lol, it got banned after a day:O
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.20 01:59:00 -
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cooldudesuper1 wrote:LOL on skirmishes if im messing round with a lazer, i get like 30/2 in a basic frame, lazers are still OP, just they dont have 250M range, so GTFO
Did you bother reading any part of my post on why lasers will be useless once 1.7 hits??
I am guessing a rotund no. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:09:00 -
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Heavenly Daughter wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:Gotta love the "BUFF MY GUN OR I QUIT" posts Quite and if it's not this weapon it will be the next one, or the next blah blah blah. !
I say good job!! on a stance like that. Once 1.7 makes lasers worthless its just HTFU?
You see we used to be at 9220 player counts but we got HTFU in response to unkillable LLAVs, TAC spam, core flaylock spam, fused contact grenade spam, worthless hmg builds, useless scout builds.
And the players began to leave to the point of a triple sp event and player counts were LESS than 6000 then a bit later at another triple sp event and player counts were LESS than 5000.
Perhaps when player counts are LESS than 2000 some folks may bother to stop and read about worthless weapons that are not ARs??
Now excuse me while I go see whats the sneak preview of the Fallout Four website that Bethesda has a countdown timer on. |
Alena Ventrallis
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:12:00 -
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Simply make the sweet spot bigger. Say 40m to 84m. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:15:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Simply make the sweet spot bigger. Say 40m to 84m.
Yeah.
Now back to Three Dog!! |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4170
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:16:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Simply make the sweet spot bigger. Say 40m to 84m. Yeah. Now back to Three Dog!!
There he goes fighting that Good Fight.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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