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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:35:00 -
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Why??
In 1.7 ARs and ASCR are getting a range buff makeing the laser pointless to use.
I.e. in 1.7 with a laser be it basic, advanced or proto the range is hard capped at 84m and versus the ARs or ASCR at 90m the situation is the laser is doing 1% damage versus the much higher damage of an AR or ASCR and by the time the laser user manages to close the gap to be doing damage at 84m the problem is that by then the laser user is dead.
Its pointless to use any laser but the basic laser since all laser weapons have the same range.
Just tired of it being AR514.
Just playing Dust 514 until Black Friday then its on to other PS3 games and PS4 games so Dust 514 is getting benched to hardly any playtime.
And if no changes to lasers in 1.7??
Then I will just hit delete on this game and move on.
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Talos Vagheitan
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:37:00 -
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Gotta love the "BUFF MY GUN OR I QUIT" posts
Who cares what some sniper has to say
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
927
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:58:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Gotta love the "BUFF MY GUN OR I QUIT" posts
Your sig says you love a balanced game but what you really mean is sniper does not count, laser does not count, shotgun does not count, HMG does not count, etc.
I see an AR fanboy since every time I see you its GEK........lol. |
Text Grant
Death Firm.
202
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:15:00 -
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Actually they do crazy DPS in their range. So they need no buff. Sorry, bye! :) |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
927
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:19:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:Actually they do crazy DPS in their range. So they need no buff. Sorry, bye! :) Geez! another AR fanboy.
What a surprise!!........sarcasm.
The laser is hard capped at 84m and at 85m or more the do .17 per bullet.
So wheres that "crazy damage"??
Oh yeah get in closer as the new rifles are dealing damage to you.
Like when the TAR was OP and the response was get in closer........lol!!
Folks just died before they managed to get in close.
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Text Grant
Death Firm.
202
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:29:00 -
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It's a nitch weapon. It does crazy DPS in its optimal range. If you don't like it use the scrambler rifle, or sniper rifle. It's not meant to kill at all ranges. Are you leaving or not? |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
927
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:33:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:It's a nitch weapon. It does crazy DPS in its optimal range. If you don't like it use the scrambler rifle, or sniper rifle. It's not meant to kill at all ranges. Are you leaving or not?
Good attitude and with folks like you in AR514 we went from 9226 online player counts to BELOW 5000 during a TRIPLE SP event....lol!!
Do we have 1.7 yet??
Just waiting for Black Friday.
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Text Grant
Death Firm.
202
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:47:00 -
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Actually I'm all for making the game better. Just not breaking it. Lets nerf all damage by the 10% it was buffed and make a game mode with only basic and militia gear. |
dogmanpig
black market bank
33
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:48:00 -
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effective range damage =30% damage in CCP terms
You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
927
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:56:00 -
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dogmanpig wrote:effective range damage =30% damage in CCP terms With an AR you get that 30% damage past optimal.
With a laser you do not since you need two or three complex damage mods to get some kills. But even with all that at 85m you are doing 1% damage past the optimal window VERSUS 30% damage being done by AS rifle, ARs and the new rifles.
So I am not asking for any AR nerfs but instead just asking for a small laser buff since otherwise its pointless to use the laser in 1.7
And right now its pointless to use anything but the basic laser since the advanced and proto versions suck. All three have the same range and all three do 17 per bullet.
Basic laser is the best option out of three bad choices. |
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Hecarim Van Hohen
Unkn0wn Killers
229
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Posted - 2013.11.11 13:17:00 -
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Agreed that LR needs to be looked at because of the said range buffs. As I do not use the said weapon I have no ideas how to reasonably buff them so I'll leave that to people that acctually use the LR.
Hopefully I'll still see those lasers in 1.7
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Joel II X
AHPA
127
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:53:00 -
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The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. |
Hecarim Van Hohen
Unkn0wn Killers
232
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:35:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers.
I've seen so few lasers and even those have failed to kill me except on very few rare occasions, atleast I have the luxury of turning and fire back on a laser unlike duvolle/gek/ar :D
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:43:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers.
Well the standard laser is pretty good, right now imho the laser has three problems:
1) speccing into operation is not benefitting enough the cooldown reduction is not really worth the SP to be honest I just spent the SP to get acces to the proficiency skill.
2) scaling across the tiers is not very good using anything else than the std laser is a waste of ISK imho.
3) people that don't exactly know the optimals for the laser and constantly using them like ARs
With 1.7 there could be another issue: the Rail Rifle will be more effective in the lasers optimal range. I guess the RR will render the laser nearly useless it has better range and comparable damage output without the drawbacks of having only a small optimals niche or overheating. (At least as far as I know ^^). |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
853
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:23:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Why??
In 1.7 ARs and ASCR are getting a range buff makeing the laser pointless to use.
I.e. in 1.7 with a laser be it basic, advanced or proto the range is hard capped at 84m and versus the ARs or ASCR at 90m the situation is the laser is doing 1% damage versus the much higher damage of an AR or ASCR and by the time the laser user manages to close the gap to be doing damage at 84m the problem is that by then the laser user is dead.
Its pointless to use any laser but the basic laser since all laser weapons have the same range.
Just tired of it being AR514.
Just playing Dust 514 until Black Friday then its on to other PS3 games and PS4 games so Dust 514 is getting benched to hardly any playtime.
And if no changes to lasers in 1.7??
Then I will just hit delete on this game and move on.
every time I read one of these I have a 5 year-old girl's voice over it.
also, gtfo my obstacle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikI1CMori0w |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
853
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:24:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Text Grant wrote:It's a nitch weapon. It does crazy DPS in its optimal range. If you don't like it use the scrambler rifle, or sniper rifle. It's not meant to kill at all ranges. Are you leaving or not? Good attitude and with folks like you in AR514 we went from 9226 online player counts to BELOW 5000 during a TRIPLE SP event....lol!! Do we have 1.7 yet?? Just waiting for Black Friday.
is this guy just going to qq about some random thing in every post in this thread? |
CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation
470
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:27:00 -
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laser seems fine to me.
as it melts everything within its range... |
Ferindar
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:58:00 -
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A fix to the laser? Make ADV and PRO levels have more range. Seems to be a simple fix if this is such a problem with the range.
I am the middle finger of God. You may call me a Sniper.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION
922
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:10:00 -
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Its the optimal range that needs buffing. They need at least a 40m wide optimal to make them useful.
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The words are all in haiku/
Tweets are just too long
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Joel II X
AHPA
128
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:30:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Joel II X wrote:The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. Well the standard laser is pretty good, right now imho the laser has three problems: 1) speccing into operation is not benefitting enough the cooldown reduction is not really worth the SP to be honest I just spent the SP to get acces to the proficiency skill. 2) scaling across the tiers is not very good using anything else than the std laser is a waste of ISK imho. 3) people that don't exactly know the optimals for the laser and constantly using them like ARs With 1.7 there could be another issue: the Rail Rifle will be more effective in the lasers optimal range. I guess the RR will render the laser nearly useless it has better range and comparable damage output without the drawbacks of having only a small optimals niche or overheating. (At least as far as I know ^^). Have you used it with Amarr Assualt? |
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Joel II X
AHPA
131
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:33:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Joel II X wrote:The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. I've seen so few lasers and even those have failed to kill me except on very few rare occasions, atleast I have the luxury of turning and fire back on a laser unlike duvolle/gek/ar :D You mean you never had the luxury of being melted by a Viziam with complex damage mods? |
RedBleach LeSanglant
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
465
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:06:00 -
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Ineffective at short range, close range, but effective in just a small window to suddenly end isn't quite appropriate. A tapering drop off would be optimal rather than the dead end that it has currently.
Most other weapons are effective at their optimal ranges and under. This one only has one ranged area it can effect, damage should ramp up and peter out similarly. |
MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
20
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:13:00 -
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Buff the damage a little bit (from 17 to about 19 or 20), extend the range from 65-85 to about 55-90, with damage dropoff not hitting really hard until about 110m.
Imo my biggest issues with the laser are the rate of ammo consumption, the damage formula being based off the number of consecutive shots fired (17 + [0.6 * shots fired consecutively]) instead of damage buildup being based on heat management, and the relatively small window of 'holy crap this weapon is amazing' effectiveness compared to weapons like the assault rifle. |
zibathy numbertwo
Nox Aeterna Security
259
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:31:00 -
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"Everyone who disagrees me is an AR user!"
Everyone do yourselves a favor and ignore this child.
Long Live Freedom; Long Live the Federation.
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Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
2292
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:40:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1412603#post1412603
Since they can't possibly be making the standard worse I think its fair to say that lasers will be looked at for rebalancing.
Even if they don't maintain their supremacy at range small changes to damage or heat capacity could be significant.
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Alam Storm
Neo Terra Imperial Army Neo Terra Empire
22
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Posted - 2013.11.12 00:41:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Why??
In 1.7 ARs and ASCR are getting a range buff makeing the laser pointless to use.
I.e. in 1.7 with a laser be it basic, advanced or proto the range is hard capped at 84m and versus the ARs or ASCR at 90m the situation is the laser is doing 1% damage versus the much higher damage of an AR or ASCR and by the time the laser user manages to close the gap to be doing damage at 84m the problem is that by then the laser user is dead.
Its pointless to use any laser but the basic laser since all laser weapons have the same range.
Just tired of it being AR514.
Just playing Dust 514 until Black Friday then its on to other PS3 games and PS4 games so Dust 514 is getting benched to hardly any playtime.
And if no changes to lasers in 1.7??
Then I will just hit delete on this game and move on.
your an idiot with the AR the further the target is the more dispersion it will have there for will need more bullets to hit the laser guy if the laser got in range it will eat the AR before the AR can take its shields down
the laser shoots in a strait line there is no dispersion that i know of
either quit ya Biatching and play or quit there will be 1 less noob who thinks there gun should be better then everyone elses on the game |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
934
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Posted - 2013.11.12 08:15:00 -
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Alam Storm wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Why??
In 1.7 ARs and ASCR are getting a range buff makeing the laser pointless to use.
I.e. in 1.7 with a laser be it basic, advanced or proto the range is hard capped at 84m and versus the ARs or ASCR at 90m the situation is the laser is doing 1% damage versus the much higher damage of an AR or ASCR and by the time the laser user manages to close the gap to be doing damage at 84m the problem is that by then the laser user is dead.
Its pointless to use any laser but the basic laser since all laser weapons have the same range.
Just tired of it being AR514.
Just playing Dust 514 until Black Friday then its on to other PS3 games and PS4 games so Dust 514 is getting benched to hardly any playtime.
And if no changes to lasers in 1.7??
Then I will just hit delete on this game and move on.
your an idiot with the AR the further the target is the more dispersion it will have there for will need more bullets to hit the laser guy if the laser got in range it will eat the AR before the AR can take its shields down the laser shoots in a strait line there is no dispersion that i know of either quit ya Biatching and play or quit there will be 1 less noob who thinks there gun should be better then everyone elses on the game you bring a laser and I will bring an ezmode Duvolle , Krin or a Balac ar operations level five, ar proficiency level five, ar shapshooter level five, ar reload level five, ar reload proficiency level five= EZMODE |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
210
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Posted - 2013.11.12 09:05:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Joel II X wrote:The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. Well the standard laser is pretty good, right now imho the laser has three problems: 1) speccing into operation is not benefitting enough the cooldown reduction is not really worth the SP to be honest I just spent the SP to get acces to the proficiency skill. 2) scaling across the tiers is not very good using anything else than the std laser is a waste of ISK imho. 3) people that don't exactly know the optimals for the laser and constantly using them like ARs With 1.7 there could be another issue: the Rail Rifle will be more effective in the lasers optimal range. I guess the RR will render the laser nearly useless it has better range and comparable damage output without the drawbacks of having only a small optimals niche or overheating. (At least as far as I know ^^). Have you used it with Amarr Assualt?
Nope not yet I use the laser either with a gal medium suit or a heavy as I have not yet specced into Amar Assaultsuits |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
210
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Posted - 2013.11.12 09:07:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Buff the damage a little bit (from 17 to about 19 or 20), extend the range from 65-85 to about 55-90, with damage dropoff not hitting really hard until about 110m.
Imo my biggest issues with the laser are the rate of ammo consumption, the damage formula being based off the number of consecutive shots fired (17 + [0.6 * shots fired consecutively]) instead of damage buildup being based on heat management, and the relatively small window of 'holy crap this weapon is amazing' effectiveness compared to weapons like the assault rifle.
The damage buff would probably too much as this mean the return of the OP Chromosome Viziam . But I agree on the Range buff... |
Text Grant
Death Firm.
208
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Posted - 2013.11.12 10:21:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Joel II X wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Joel II X wrote:The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. Well the standard laser is pretty good, right now imho the laser has three problems: 1) speccing into operation is not benefitting enough the cooldown reduction is not really worth the SP to be honest I just spent the SP to get acces to the proficiency skill. 2) scaling across the tiers is not very good using anything else than the std laser is a waste of ISK imho. 3) people that don't exactly know the optimals for the laser and constantly using them like ARs With 1.7 there could be another issue: the Rail Rifle will be more effective in the lasers optimal range. I guess the RR will render the laser nearly useless it has better range and comparable damage output without the drawbacks of having only a small optimals niche or overheating. (At least as far as I know ^^). Have you used it with Amarr Assualt? Nope not yet I use the laser either with a gal medium suit or a heavy as I have not yet specced into Amar Assaultsuits There's your problem! |
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