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Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2115	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:31:00 - [1] - Quote With 5km^2 maps, 50 vs 50 or more players rest of racial suits rest of racial weapons rest of racial BLOODY VEHICLES Rest of vehicle frames (MAV, Heavy/light aircraft) In all races Rest of racial turrets (Laser and such) And do all of this before 1. The game is dead 2. It would have been more successful investing time in PS4 before same deadline
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 217	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:32:00 - [2] - Quote no I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1023	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:33:00 - [3] - Quote My logical side says Hell no but I can still hope. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4064	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:34:00 - [4] - Quote i believe that CCP will get the majority of the racial content in so they can set dust up for a spectacular PS4 launch (well, relative to the ps3 one at least), i have a feeling that dust will probably last longer than most of us suspect. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2115	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:34:00 - [5] - Quote Um, TL;DR Can CCP finish dust before it's too late? (insert some joke about premature release).
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 565	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:35:00 - [6] - Quote Yup. If EVE was similar crap before in it's first few years the same thing can be said with Dust. Come ye faithful.
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2115	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:35:00 - [7] - Quote gbghg wrote: i believe that CCP will get the majority of the racial content in so they can set dust up for a spectacular PS4 launch (well, relative to the ps3 one at least), i have a feeling that dust will probably last longer than most of us suspect. Issue with that is how much of the work spent on PS3 may not translate to PS4 at all. Simply moving consoles, or moving to a new engine if/when the next Unreal comes out. This might all be for naught?
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2115	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:37:00 - [8] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Yup. If EVE was similar crap before in it's first few years the same thing can be said with Dust. Come ye faithful. You really cannot compare Eve in it's early days to Dust. Totally different landscapes PC game, innovating, unique genre, little competition, no real deadline Console game, uninspired compared to promises, like other FPS but not complete, world of competition, deadlines all over the place.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4066	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:41:00 - [9] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: gbghg wrote: i believe that CCP will get the majority of the racial content in so they can set dust up for a spectacular PS4 launch (well, relative to the ps3 one at least), i have a feeling that dust will probably last longer than most of us suspect. Issue with that is how much of the work spent on PS3 may not translate to PS4 at all. Simply moving consoles, or moving to a new engine if/when the next Unreal comes out. This might all be for naught? think of it this way, if all else is for naught they'll have the art assets (well the basic models at least) and the stats reasonably well done, you're right a lot of work won't carry over but a lot of the important stuff like suit/weapon stats, and the way things work ingame will. in other words the front end stuff that matters to us players can be improved on the ps3 and transferred over to the ps4 version, while CCP gets the fun of sorting out the backend of the system and all glitches and code issues. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1170	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:41:00 - [10] - Quote The PS3 has 3-4 years at least to go. In that amount of time they should be able to do those things except maybe the 50v50, I never bought into that. The other things yes. Now that they have a good bit of the tech stuff working much better and they have some experience with the PS3 architecture we may see some new stuff hit quickly. I don't want to be a total fanboy but I do think that they can do it if given the time and money. They have been working on the core mechanics for a while and made huge leaps compared to a year ago. If they stay on the the same path then they should start to roll out monthly content releases instead of fixes. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.

Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2115	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:43:00 - [11] - Quote gbghg wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: gbghg wrote: i believe that CCP will get the majority of the racial content in so they can set dust up for a spectacular PS4 launch (well, relative to the ps3 one at least), i have a feeling that dust will probably last longer than most of us suspect. Issue with that is how much of the work spent on PS3 may not translate to PS4 at all. Simply moving consoles, or moving to a new engine if/when the next Unreal comes out. This might all be for naught? think of it this way, if all else is for naught they'll have the art assets (well the basic models at least) and the stats reasonably well done, you're right a lot of work won't carry over but a lot of the important stuff like suit/weapon stats, and the way things work ingame will. in other words the front end stuff that matters to us players can be improved on the ps3 and transferred over to the ps4 version, while CCP gets the fun of sorting out the backend of the system and all glitches and code issues. You could design weapon stats and that data on paper in a week. And that should have been done 3 years ago. That's not really progress.
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 222	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:49:00 - [12] - Quote DOOOOOOOMGäó
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4066	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:50:00 - [13] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: gbghg wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: gbghg wrote: i believe that CCP will get the majority of the racial content in so they can set dust up for a spectacular PS4 launch (well, relative to the ps3 one at least), i have a feeling that dust will probably last longer than most of us suspect. Issue with that is how much of the work spent on PS3 may not translate to PS4 at all. Simply moving consoles, or moving to a new engine if/when the next Unreal comes out. This might all be for naught? think of it this way, if all else is for naught they'll have the art assets (well the basic models at least) and the stats reasonably well done, you're right a lot of work won't carry over but a lot of the important stuff like suit/weapon stats, and the way things work ingame will. in other words the front end stuff that matters to us players can be improved on the ps3 and transferred over to the ps4 version, while CCP gets the fun of sorting out the backend of the system and all glitches and code issues. You could design weapon stats and that data on paper in a week. And that should have been done 3 years ago. That's not really progress. game balance is an ongoing affair, its never over, just cause the stats look good on paper doesn't mean that they're good in practice, the devs have to come up with the numbers then they have to test them, given the customisability of suits and the range of skills in dust i imagine that they have a fair few sets of numbers to run through and test before they can release a fix. end of the day CCP will go at their own pace and you're bitching won't change anything, so do us all a favor and stop making negative threads will you? Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2023	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:02:00 - [14] - Quote I believe CCP can do all of that, but I don't think the ps3 can handle the 'finished' Dust 514.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 Fix my scout already
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 566	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:21:00 - [15] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Yup. If EVE was similar crap before in it's first few years the same thing can be said with Dust. Come ye faithful. You really cannot compare Eve in it's early days to Dust. Totally different landscapes PC game, innovating, unique genre, little competition, no real deadline Console game, uninspired compared to promises, like other FPS but not complete, world of competition, deadlines all over the place. I'd argue against that. Dust is innovative(even with the key points not being fully implemented or actually added in yet), has a while before it would be considered a loss, and despite "competition" the game hasn't been pulled away via competition but by it's own issues(not a good thing but says something). I believe there's a lot that can happen between then and there but the game is looking a lot better compared to a few months ago. Oddly enough the 1.6 patch is one of the best(imo) out there and I believe even 1.7 will pale in comparison.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure 65	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:33:00 - [16] - Quote Dust 514 will be on PS4, next subject please....
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 138	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:34:00 - [17] - Quote If they get some more devs on board it would be easier, maybe some of those guys that made COD or BF4 have some free time now to really turn this into the twitch shooter CCP are trying to make.
Oswald Rehnquist 481	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:40:00 - [18] - Quote That's not even considering the time to iron out the terrible balancing for the untested content. Below 28 dB
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1092	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:44:00 - [19] - Quote No.
Lanius Pulvis Bojo's School of the Trades 43	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:53:00 - [20] - Quote I think DUST on PS3 has a couple years left; however I think the game's continued viability is dependent upon the balance that is still lacking. I think CCP can balance it, the question is, can they do it far enough in advance of the discontinued support for the PS3 in order to work on porting it to PS4. And will the delay in the port put it too far behind it's competition to keep it's current (too small) player base? If, BIG IF, the balance is completed, the port to PS4 takes place within 18 months, and most importantly, the community stays involved... I think CCP will introduce the long anticipated (dreaded), MONTHLY FEE... At least that's what my incredibly inaccurate, and possibly non-magical, crystal ball says...it could be wrong..........it's happened before............................alot! Not new, just new to you.

Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 386	Posted - 2013.11.08 04:11:00 - [21] - Quote Considering a large portion of the ideas they wanted to implement in the game can't be done because of the PS3's hardware limitations.... My answer is no.
Serah Phymne Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2013.11.08 04:28:00 - [22] - Quote "Pull it off"? It's over. They've wasted too much time and they've screwed up immensely and repeatedly. In release. Reviews are out. No one plays it apart from a few hardcore players if that. PS4 coming in a couple of weeks with better games all free to play. It's over. I knew CCP had a lax attitude to development but the Eve team comes through when it counts. But the way the Dust team has handled this game is almost criminally incompetent. Still not even the BASIC set of suits, vehicles and weapons available. Still no commander mode. No chance of any other vehicles like fighters or mechs. And don't even bother asking about boarding because it won't be coming for YEARS. You've got better hope of them implementing the commander mode which would make this game a thousand times better than it is now (But they won't implement it even though it was the first thing they had ready). I was convinced that the last six months of silence was because they were porting this to the PS4 which would atleast make it easier to program for and better hardware to cover the poor optimization. But they've now admitted that over the last six months they've been doing little else but balancing... I mean it's absolutely crazy!
The Attorney General ZionTCD 1446	Posted - 2013.11.08 04:35:00 - [23] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: rest of racial suits rest of racial weapons rest of racial BLOODY VEHICLES Rest of racial turrets (Laser and such) And do all of this before 1. The game is dead 2. It would have been more successful investing time in PS4 before same deadline Maybe, still might not be enough. Rest of the vehicles only counts if they keep vehicles at one chassis, then they might be able to get the other two lines out by next year this time. Nguruthos IX wrote: With 5km^2 maps, 50 vs 50 or more players Rest of vehicle frames (MAV, Heavy/light aircraft) In all races Not at all, and don't even pretend. They can't do what they have now, more players is not going to happen on PS3 without a major performance hit, especially in PC. Maps are already way too big for what we have. Let go of jets and bombers until CCP can get the ground game working. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Lightning Bolt2 From The Mist 318	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:21:00 - [24] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: With 5km^2 maps, 50 vs 50 or more players rest of racial suits rest of racial weapons rest of racial BLOODY VEHICLES Rest of vehicle frames (MAV, Heavy/light aircraft) In all races Rest of racial turrets (Laser and such) And do all of this before 1. The game is dead 2. It would have been more successful investing time in PS4 before same deadline CCP should just hop onto the PS4 since it'll be the easiest console to develop games on, they could work out the kinks much easier, same as new content! only problem will be porting it over to the PS4 itself they could switch to the carbon engine, but it could take forever to get all this on. CCP could port this over to the PS4, but since its got such different framework it would be remaking the game! remember, when you first see lightning play in a open field! from the non-existent mist! forum warrior lvl: pathetic!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1335	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:25:00 - [25] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: With 5km^2 maps, 50 vs 50 or more players rest of racial suits rest of racial weapons rest of racial BLOODY VEHICLES Rest of vehicle frames (MAV, Heavy/light aircraft) In all races Rest of racial turrets (Laser and such) And do all of this before 1. The game is dead 2. It would have been more successful investing time in PS4 before same deadline Every major retailer has the PS4 sold out, at least in the U.S, this leads me to believe that the days of the PS3 are a lot shorter than what Sony or CCP expected.
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1451	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:40:00 - [26] - Quote The top two? Dependent on server limitations, and where render cuts off. The others? Easy. Hell, some of us are thinking wwe are getting a bunch of that (Or at least bits of a bunch of that) in 1.7. Merry Christmas for the bunnies I suppose. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9983	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:42:00 - [27] - Quote PS3 is not showing signs of a quick kill off with over 200 titles scheduled for these holidays. First two is a long shot, well cept the maps they're already 5kms x 5kms, the entire terrain is not utilized all at once. Anyone that broke the red zone in the beta know the maps are freakishly huge. For the rest of the list... Ask CCP Santa he may sneak some gifts under the tree. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Plasma Rifle =// Unlocked
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 78	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:44:00 - [28] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: My logical side says Hell no but I can still hope. cough Mag cough
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 635	Posted - 2013.11.08 06:05:00 - [29] - Quote Can it be done in general? Yes. I played MAG I know it can be. Can CCP do this? I think that they have this ability because they have enough money around that they could invest in this. Will they? Based on their track record I think they won't.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 844	Posted - 2013.11.08 06:16:00 - [30] - Quote I have no shortage of faith in ccp. dust will outlive the console it started on.

low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 844	Posted - 2013.11.08 06:17:00 - [31] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Can it be done in general? Yes. I played MAG I know it can be. Can CCP do this? I think that they have this ability because they have enough money around that they could invest in this. Will they? Based on their track record I think they won't. based on their track record? the only other game they've ever been a part of is 10 years old and still growing.
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2116	Posted - 2013.11.08 06:40:00 - [32] - Quote Serah Phymne wrote: "Pull it off"? It's over. They've wasted too much time and they've screwed up immensely and repeatedly. In release. Reviews are out. No one plays it apart from a few hardcore players if that. PS4 coming in a couple of weeks with better games all free to play. It's over. I knew CCP had a lax attitude to development but the Eve team comes through when it counts. But the way the Dust team has handled this game is almost criminally incompetent. Still not even the BASIC set of suits, vehicles and weapons available. Still no commander mode. No chance of any other vehicles like fighters or mechs. And don't even bother asking about boarding because it won't be coming for YEARS. You've got better hope of them implementing the commander mode which would make this game a thousand times better than it is now (But they won't implement it even though it was the first thing they had ready). I was convinced that the last six months of silence was because they were porting this to the PS4 which would atleast make it easier to program for and better hardware to cover the poor optimization. But they've now admitted that over the last six months they've been doing little else but balancing... I mean it's absolutely crazy! well, when you put it like that.
Aqua-Regia 542	Posted - 2013.11.08 06:43:00 - [33] - Quote I hope and also say No I have reason you don't need to know. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2116	Posted - 2013.11.08 06:45:00 - [34] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: I hope and also say No I have reason you don't need to know. hurpdurp
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1452	Posted - 2013.11.08 07:01:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: PS3 is not showing signs of a quick kill off with over 200 titles scheduled for these holidays. First two is a long shot, well cept the maps they're already 5kms x 5kms, the entire terrain is not utilized all at once. Anyone that broke the red zone in the beta know the maps are freakishly huge. For the rest of the list... Ask CCP Santa he may sneak some gifts under the tree. Hohoho? I love CPM for their lovely cryptical messages. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4724	Posted - 2013.11.08 07:09:00 - [36] - Quote gbghg wrote: i believe that CCP will get the majority of the racial content in so they can set dust up for a spectacular PS4 launch (well, relative to the ps3 one at least), i have a feeling that dust will probably last longer than most of us suspect. I hope you're right, but I don't believe you. Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Vesago Ghostcore Rejected Clones 78	Posted - 2013.11.08 07:30:00 - [37] - Quote Eve is in its 10th year, and its not finished. This is because its an evolving game. Dust is the same. The console will have to change eventually, but don't forget that EVE has survived a few periods where their graphics were too much for older computers to handle. People stayed, people left... but EVE is still going strong. You cant finish this game, because if you do, it vanishes. Dust needs to continually evolve... or people, even the seriously hardcore ones, will leave. The "Finish the game!" gripe does not apply to CCP's game concepts. Hence their greatness. So, my answer is this. CCP will go to another console when it needs to, and get used to changes... they wont stop.
Serah Phymne Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.11.08 07:41:00 - [38] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: PS3 is not showing signs of a quick kill off with over 200 titles scheduled for these holidays. First two is a long shot, well cept the maps they're already 5kms x 5kms, the entire terrain is not utilized all at once. Anyone that broke the red zone in the beta know the maps are freakishly huge. For the rest of the list... Ask CCP Santa he may sneak some gifts under the tree. Hohoho? I love CPM for their lovely cryptical messages. I always like to remind myself that the CPM aren't community elected but elected by CCP themselves. What better shills can you get then fanboys like IWS? Especially when you elect them to unimportant titles that mean little else than "Marketer".
GRIM GEAR Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 29	Posted - 2013.11.08 08:21:00 - [39] - Quote I'll be happy when they get rid of those freaking drop ships they are way over the moon powered. On a serious note i'd say they will have a well oiled machine sometime in the first quarter of next year...... yeah right who am I kidding at least end of next year.
CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 361	Posted - 2013.11.08 08:37:00 - [40] - Quote To be honest one cannot take the usual investment over return discussion here as its CCP and they are frankly weird when it comes to projects. Dust cannot fail - that is a given - CCP would be seen as a one trick pony forever and exciting new projects like EVE Valkwassit wouldnt get the backing they would if dust failed. Dust has to be something that CCP keep alive if only for their own reputations sake, investors will only back companies that can produce returns and CCP obviously have done this with EVE. What remains to be seen is if they remain loyal to the PS3 - currently this strategy is filled with risk as frankly noone has any clue what will happen with the PS4 comes out. Will huge numbers of people trade in their ps3 for the ps4? highly likely, will this mean dust loses people, yes but how many is the question. What CCP should be focusing their mighty marketing team on is all the people who are going to buy that 2nd hand ps3 and getting them into dust - in terms of player numbers we shouldn't see a drop, rather a dip while people find Dust 514 who bought the 2nd hand ps3. At least that is what i would do, could be a huge inrush of new players to AR stomp.

VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 66	Posted - 2013.11.08 08:39:00 - [41] - Quote You are highly illogical.. > Master of the Sniper "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 947	Posted - 2013.11.08 09:08:00 - [42] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: With 5km^2 maps, 50 vs 50 or more players rest of racial suits rest of racial weapons rest of racial BLOODY VEHICLES Rest of vehicle frames (MAV, Heavy/light aircraft) In all races Rest of racial turrets (Laser and such) And do all of this before 1. The game is dead 2. It would have been more successful investing time in PS4 before same deadline It is actually very possible. If DUST makes it onto GAIKAI(All ps3 games will be on GAIKAI). Then hardware becomes arbitrary. Why? Because DUST514 will be streamed and GAIKAI will do all the hardware lifting, it will depend soley on your network connection. his means that CCP can develop DUST514 without bounds. Will GAIKAI be on Ps3 and PS4? It is definitely coming to PS4, but an app for PS3 is possible and very likely. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1323	Posted - 2013.11.08 09:16:00 - [43] - Quote Yes but people probably won't be interested until/if it's on ps4. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
8213 Grade No.2 572	Posted - 2013.11.08 09:49:00 - [44] - Quote The fact that the number of players in this game has only declined over the years already tells you your answer.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1174	Posted - 2013.11.08 12:10:00 - [45] - Quote Serah Phymne wrote: "Pull it off"? It's over. They've wasted too much time and they've screwed up immensely and repeatedly. In release. Reviews are out. No one plays it apart from a few hardcore players if that. PS4 coming in a couple of weeks with better games all free to play. It's over. I knew CCP had a lax attitude to development but the Eve team comes through when it counts. But the way the Dust team has handled this game is almost criminally incompetent. Still not even the BASIC set of suits, vehicles and weapons available. Still no commander mode. No chance of any other vehicles like fighters or mechs. And don't even bother asking about boarding because it won't be coming for YEARS. You've got better hope of them implementing the commander mode which would make this game a thousand times better than it is now (But they won't implement it even though it was the first thing they had ready). I was convinced that the last six months of silence was because they were porting this to the PS4 which would atleast make it easier to program for and better hardware to cover the poor optimization. But they've now admitted that over the last six months they've been doing little else but balancing... I mean it's absolutely crazy! No one ever said that about their other game that is still active and growing. The one that just turned 10. They would be fools to move to the PS4 right away. You don't throw a 80 million strong potential player base away for an unproven console with low numbers. Let's say there is 20,000 active players in a pool of 80m consoles. That is a 0.00025 adoption rate. If the PS4 sold 10m the first day with the same adoption rate then it would add 2500 players. I'm being optimistic on the adoption rate and number of PS4s sold. I have had little sleep so math may be wrong but the point still stands. If you have to choose which players to aim for would it be 80 million or 2 million? Think about it. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1174	Posted - 2013.11.08 12:15:00 - [46] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: With 5km^2 maps, 50 vs 50 or more players rest of racial suits rest of racial weapons rest of racial BLOODY VEHICLES Rest of vehicle frames (MAV, Heavy/light aircraft) In all races Rest of racial turrets (Laser and such) And do all of this before 1. The game is dead 2. It would have been more successful investing time in PS4 before same deadline It is actually very possible. If DUST makes it onto GAIKAI(All ps3 games will be on GAIKAI). Then hardware becomes arbitrary. Why? Because DUST514 will be streamed and GAIKAI will do all the hardware lifting, it will depend soley on your network connection. his means that CCP can develop DUST514 without bounds. Will GAIKAI be on Ps3 and PS4? It is definitely coming to PS4, but an app for PS3 is possible and very likely. I want to say that the latency would be too much. My house in Georgia to Giaki to London to Giaki to my house. Seems like a long time to travel. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Amorale Lyadstafer Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 32	Posted - 2013.11.08 12:18:00 - [47] - Quote nope
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 672	Posted - 2013.11.08 12:21:00 - [48] - Quote yesterday i layed over 200 logi equipment in one match with 5 other proto logi's..in the open space there was 0 lag in closed space half the lag there used to be..they are doing better at least
Serah Phymne Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.11.08 13:08:00 - [49] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Serah Phymne wrote: "Pull it off"? It's over. They've wasted too much time and they've screwed up immensely and repeatedly. In release. Reviews are out. No one plays it apart from a few hardcore players if that. PS4 coming in a couple of weeks with better games all free to play. It's over. I knew CCP had a lax attitude to development but the Eve team comes through when it counts. But the way the Dust team has handled this game is almost criminally incompetent. Still not even the BASIC set of suits, vehicles and weapons available. Still no commander mode. No chance of any other vehicles like fighters or mechs. And don't even bother asking about boarding because it won't be coming for YEARS. You've got better hope of them implementing the commander mode which would make this game a thousand times better than it is now (But they won't implement it even though it was the first thing they had ready). I was convinced that the last six months of silence was because they were porting this to the PS4 which would atleast make it easier to program for and better hardware to cover the poor optimization. But they've now admitted that over the last six months they've been doing little else but balancing... I mean it's absolutely crazy! No one ever said that about their other game that is still active and growing. The one that just turned 10. They would be fools to move to the PS4 right away. You don't throw a 80 million strong potential player base away for an unproven console with low numbers. Let's say there is 20,000 active players in a pool of 80m consoles. That is a 0.00025 adoption rate. If the PS4 sold 10m the first day with the same adoption rate then it would add 2500 players. I'm being optimistic on the adoption rate and number of PS4s sold. I have had little sleep so math may be wrong but the point still stands. If you have to choose which players to aim for would it be 80 million or 2 million? Think about it. 80 million strong player base? What are you smoking? Eve took about 5 years to get really good. And it was competing in a market where it was the only game of it's kind. Even then it took years and years to get good. Not to mention it didn't start out as bad as this. Dust is in a competing market but CCP still develop like there's is the only game around. That's why it's taken them so long to get anything done. In eve they had time. Here they don't. Also if you expect this game to be here at the end of next year let alone 10 years down the line then you're mad. In addition shooters shouldn't take 10 years to get good.
Thorgen Barr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.11.08 13:31:00 - [50] - Quote gbghg wrote: i believe that CCP will get the majority of the racial content in so they can set dust up for a spectacular PS4 launch (well, relative to the ps3 one at least), i have a feeling that dust will probably last longer than most of us suspect. Or it will crash and burn more spectacularly than you can possibly imagine xD

TuFar Gon 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 40	Posted - 2013.11.08 13:46:00 - [51] - Quote All u have to do is ask yourself one question,,just one. If Dust 514 DOES carry over to ps4,,will u play it? If the answer is yes,is Dust then dying? The populace has developed a common phrase on this subject,," you'll b back"
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 636	Posted - 2013.11.09 04:50:00 - [52] - Quote low genius wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Can it be done in general? Yes. I played MAG I know it can be. Can CCP do this? I think that they have this ability because they have enough money around that they could invest in this. Will they? Based on their track record I think they won't. based on their track record? the only other game they've ever been a part of is 10 years old and still growing. I guess 2 years of Dust 'beta' does not count. Eve still growing you say??? Have you checked simultaneous ppl logged in? I don't think it has upticked since 2010 but was steadily rolling down hill. Ppl keep their subscription out of boredom (hence the 'growth') and they keep it because they want to keep sp ticking on the off chance that they may get back to EVE eventually. This is not because EVE is such an amazing game it's because of the gimmicky passive xp system. So yeah.... if you measure success only by how much ppl are milking money out of something, it's solid. You still want to discuss CCP's track record?
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 636	Posted - 2013.11.09 05:09:00 - [53] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: To be honest one cannot take the usual investment over return discussion here as its CCP and they are frankly weird when it comes to projects. Dust cannot fail - that is a given - CCP would be seen as a one trick pony forever and exciting new projects like EVE Valkwassit wouldnt get the backing they would if dust failed. Dust has to be something that CCP keep alive if only for their own reputations sake, investors will only back companies that can produce returns and CCP obviously have done this with EVE. What remains to be seen is if they remain loyal to the PS3 - currently this strategy is filled with risk as frankly noone has any clue what will happen with the PS4 comes out. Will huge numbers of people trade in their ps3 for the ps4? highly likely, will this mean dust loses people, yes but how many is the question. What CCP should be focusing their mighty marketing team on is all the people who are going to buy that 2nd hand ps3 and getting them into dust - in terms of player numbers we shouldn't see a drop, rather a dip while people find Dust 514 who bought the 2nd hand ps3. At least that is what i would do, could be a huge inrush of new players to AR stomp. I doubt that there is much of a market for second hand PS3's. Most PS3's will probably go in a box in the grandma's attic.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1464	Posted - 2013.11.09 05:28:00 - [54] - Quote No. They'll have to port it over, and within the 1st year. I'm probably giving my Ps3 to Gamestop for my PS4 (unless it's not worth it. Hell, I could find a PS3 with a ****** up bluray drive, and buy that), so it doesn't matter to me. Oh well, I'll play Dust if I get the chance, and I'll be on the fourms..... oh wait, if that's the case, then I guess Godin's getting some free suits along with being able to skill right into PROTO vehicles and Scout suit (assuming they will be out by the time I got access to Dust again. Maybe a medium suit as well 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!


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