DUST Search - Who think's CCP can pull off Dust on PS3?

Nguruthos IX wrote:

gbghg wrote:

Nguruthos IX wrote:

gbghg wrote:

i believe that CCP will get the majority of the racial content in so they can set dust up for a spectacular PS4 launch (well, relative to the ps3 one at least), i have a feeling that dust will probably last longer than most of us suspect.

Issue with that is how much of the work spent on PS3 may not translate to PS4 at all.
Simply moving consoles, or moving to a new engine if/when the next Unreal comes out.

This might all be for naught?

think of it this way, if all else is for naught they'll have the art assets (well the basic models at least) and the stats reasonably well done, you're right a lot of work won't carry over but a lot of the important stuff like suit/weapon stats, and the way things work ingame will. in other words the front end stuff that matters to us players can be improved on the ps3 and transferred over to the ps4 version, while CCP gets the fun of sorting out the backend of the system and all glitches and code issues.

You could design weapon stats and that data on paper in a week.
And that should have been done 3 years ago.
That's not really progress.

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Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2115	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:31:00 - [1] - Quote With 5km^2 maps, 50 vs 50 or more players rest of racial suits rest of racial weapons rest of racial BLOODY VEHICLES Rest of vehicle frames (MAV, Heavy/light aircraft) In all races Rest of racial turrets (Laser and such) And do all of this before 1. The game is dead 2. It would have been more successful investing time in PS4 before same deadline
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 217	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:32:00 - [2] - Quote no I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1023	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:33:00 - [3] - Quote My logical side says Hell no but I can still hope. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4064	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:34:00 - [4] - Quote i believe that CCP will get the majority of the racial content in so they can set dust up for a spectacular PS4 launch (well, relative to the ps3 one at least), i have a feeling that dust will probably last longer than most of us suspect. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2115	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:34:00 - [5] - Quote Um, TL;DR Can CCP finish dust before it's too late? (insert some joke about premature release).
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 565	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:35:00 - [6] - Quote Yup. If EVE was similar crap before in it's first few years the same thing can be said with Dust. Come ye faithful.
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2115	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:35:00 - [7] - Quote gbghg wrote: i believe that CCP will get the majority of the racial content in so they can set dust up for a spectacular PS4 launch (well, relative to the ps3 one at least), i have a feeling that dust will probably last longer than most of us suspect. Issue with that is how much of the work spent on PS3 may not translate to PS4 at all. Simply moving consoles, or moving to a new engine if/when the next Unreal comes out. This might all be for naught?
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2115	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:37:00 - [8] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Yup. If EVE was similar crap before in it's first few years the same thing can be said with Dust. Come ye faithful. You really cannot compare Eve in it's early days to Dust. Totally different landscapes PC game, innovating, unique genre, little competition, no real deadline Console game, uninspired compared to promises, like other FPS but not complete, world of competition, deadlines all over the place.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4066	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:41:00 - [9] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: gbghg wrote: i believe that CCP will get the majority of the racial content in so they can set dust up for a spectacular PS4 launch (well, relative to the ps3 one at least), i have a feeling that dust will probably last longer than most of us suspect. Issue with that is how much of the work spent on PS3 may not translate to PS4 at all. Simply moving consoles, or moving to a new engine if/when the next Unreal comes out. This might all be for naught? think of it this way, if all else is for naught they'll have the art assets (well the basic models at least) and the stats reasonably well done, you're right a lot of work won't carry over but a lot of the important stuff like suit/weapon stats, and the way things work ingame will. in other words the front end stuff that matters to us players can be improved on the ps3 and transferred over to the ps4 version, while CCP gets the fun of sorting out the backend of the system and all glitches and code issues. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1170	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:41:00 - [10] - Quote The PS3 has 3-4 years at least to go. In that amount of time they should be able to do those things except maybe the 50v50, I never bought into that. The other things yes. Now that they have a good bit of the tech stuff working much better and they have some experience with the PS3 architecture we may see some new stuff hit quickly. I don't want to be a total fanboy but I do think that they can do it if given the time and money. They have been working on the core mechanics for a while and made huge leaps compared to a year ago. If they stay on the the same path then they should start to roll out monthly content releases instead of fixes. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.

Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2115	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:43:00 - [11] - Quote gbghg wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: gbghg wrote: i believe that CCP will get the majority of the racial content in so they can set dust up for a spectacular PS4 launch (well, relative to the ps3 one at least), i have a feeling that dust will probably last longer than most of us suspect. Issue with that is how much of the work spent on PS3 may not translate to PS4 at all. Simply moving consoles, or moving to a new engine if/when the next Unreal comes out. This might all be for naught? think of it this way, if all else is for naught they'll have the art assets (well the basic models at least) and the stats reasonably well done, you're right a lot of work won't carry over but a lot of the important stuff like suit/weapon stats, and the way things work ingame will. in other words the front end stuff that matters to us players can be improved on the ps3 and transferred over to the ps4 version, while CCP gets the fun of sorting out the backend of the system and all glitches and code issues. You could design weapon stats and that data on paper in a week. And that should have been done 3 years ago. That's not really progress.
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 222	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:49:00 - [12] - Quote DOOOOOOOMGäó
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4066	Posted - 2013.11.08 02:50:00 - [13] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: gbghg wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: gbghg wrote: i believe that CCP will get the majority of the racial content in so they can set dust up for a spectacular PS4 launch (well, relative to the ps3 one at least), i have a feeling that dust will probably last longer than most of us suspect. Issue with that is how much of the work spent on PS3 may not translate to PS4 at all. Simply moving consoles, or moving to a new engine if/when the next Unreal comes out. This might all be for naught? think of it this way, if all else is for naught they'll have the art assets (well the basic models at least) and the stats reasonably well done, you're right a lot of work won't carry over but a lot of the important stuff like suit/weapon stats, and the way things work ingame will. in other words the front end stuff that matters to us players can be improved on the ps3 and transferred over to the ps4 version, while CCP gets the fun of sorting out the backend of the system and all glitches and code issues. You could design weapon stats and that data on paper in a week. And that should have been done 3 years ago. That's not really progress. game balance is an ongoing affair, its never over, just cause the stats look good on paper doesn't mean that they're good in practice, the devs have to come up with the numbers then they have to test them, given the customisability of suits and the range of skills in dust i imagine that they have a fair few sets of numbers to run through and test before they can release a fix. end of the day CCP will go at their own pace and you're bitching won't change anything, so do us all a favor and stop making negative threads will you? Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2023	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:02:00 - [14] - Quote I believe CCP can do all of that, but I don't think the ps3 can handle the 'finished' Dust 514.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 Fix my scout already
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 566	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:21:00 - [15] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Yup. If EVE was similar crap before in it's first few years the same thing can be said with Dust. Come ye faithful. You really cannot compare Eve in it's early days to Dust. Totally different landscapes PC game, innovating, unique genre, little competition, no real deadline Console game, uninspired compared to promises, like other FPS but not complete, world of competition, deadlines all over the place. I'd argue against that. Dust is innovative(even with the key points not being fully implemented or actually added in yet), has a while before it would be considered a loss, and despite "competition" the game hasn't been pulled away via competition but by it's own issues(not a good thing but says something). I believe there's a lot that can happen between then and there but the game is looking a lot better compared to a few months ago. Oddly enough the 1.6 patch is one of the best(imo) out there and I believe even 1.7 will pale in comparison.
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure 65	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:33:00 - [16] - Quote Dust 514 will be on PS4, next subject please....
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 138	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:34:00 - [17] - Quote If they get some more devs on board it would be easier, maybe some of those guys that made COD or BF4 have some free time now to really turn this into the twitch shooter CCP are trying to make.
Oswald Rehnquist 481	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:40:00 - [18] - Quote That's not even considering the time to iron out the terrible balancing for the untested content. Below 28 dB
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1092	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:44:00 - [19] - Quote No.
Lanius Pulvis Bojo's School of the Trades 43	Posted - 2013.11.08 03:53:00 - [20] - Quote I think DUST on PS3 has a couple years left; however I think the game's continued viability is dependent upon the balance that is still lacking. I think CCP can balance it, the question is, can they do it far enough in advance of the discontinued support for the PS3 in order to work on porting it to PS4. And will the delay in the port put it too far behind it's competition to keep it's current (too small) player base? If, BIG IF, the balance is completed, the port to PS4 takes place within 18 months, and most importantly, the community stays involved... I think CCP will introduce the long anticipated (dreaded), MONTHLY FEE... At least that's what my incredibly inaccurate, and possibly non-magical, crystal ball says...it could be wrong..........it's happened before............................alot! Not new, just new to you.

Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 386	Posted - 2013.11.08 04:11:00 - [21] - Quote Considering a large portion of the ideas they wanted to implement in the game can't be done because of the PS3's hardware limitations.... My answer is no.
Serah Phymne Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2013.11.08 04:28:00 - [22] - Quote "Pull it off"? It's over. They've wasted too much time and they've screwed up immensely and repeatedly. In release. Reviews are out. No one plays it apart from a few hardcore players if that. PS4 coming in a couple of weeks with better games all free to play. It's over. I knew CCP had a lax attitude to development but the Eve team comes through when it counts. But the way the Dust team has handled this game is almost criminally incompetent. Still not even the BASIC set of suits, vehicles and weapons available. Still no commander mode. No chance of any other vehicles like fighters or mechs. And don't even bother asking about boarding because it won't be coming for YEARS. You've got better hope of them implementing the commander mode which would make this game a thousand times better than it is now (But they won't implement it even though it was the first thing they had ready). I was convinced that the last six months of silence was because they were porting this to the PS4 which would atleast make it easier to program for and better hardware to cover the poor optimization. But they've now admitted that over the last six months they've been doing little else but balancing... I mean it's absolutely crazy!
The Attorney General ZionTCD 1446	Posted - 2013.11.08 04:35:00 - [23] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: rest of racial suits rest of racial weapons rest of racial BLOODY VEHICLES Rest of racial turrets (Laser and such) And do all of this before 1. The game is dead 2. It would have been more successful investing time in PS4 before same deadline Maybe, still might not be enough. Rest of the vehicles only counts if they keep vehicles at one chassis, then they might be able to get the other two lines out by next year this time. Nguruthos IX wrote: With 5km^2 maps, 50 vs 50 or more players Rest of vehicle frames (MAV, Heavy/light aircraft) In all races Not at all, and don't even pretend. They can't do what they have now, more players is not going to happen on PS3 without a major performance hit, especially in PC. Maps are already way too big for what we have. Let go of jets and bombers until CCP can get the ground game working. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Lightning Bolt2 From The Mist 318	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:21:00 - [24] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: With 5km^2 maps, 50 vs 50 or more players rest of racial suits rest of racial weapons rest of racial BLOODY VEHICLES Rest of vehicle frames (MAV, Heavy/light aircraft) In all races Rest of racial turrets (Laser and such) And do all of this before 1. The game is dead 2. It would have been more successful investing time in PS4 before same deadline CCP should just hop onto the PS4 since it'll be the easiest console to develop games on, they could work out the kinks much easier, same as new content! only problem will be porting it over to the PS4 itself they could switch to the carbon engine, but it could take forever to get all this on. CCP could port this over to the PS4, but since its got such different framework it would be remaking the game! remember, when you first see lightning play in a open field! from the non-existent mist! forum warrior lvl: pathetic!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1335	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:25:00 - [25] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: With 5km^2 maps, 50 vs 50 or more players rest of racial suits rest of racial weapons rest of racial BLOODY VEHICLES Rest of vehicle frames (MAV, Heavy/light aircraft) In all races Rest of racial turrets (Laser and such) And do all of this before 1. The game is dead 2. It would have been more successful investing time in PS4 before same deadline Every major retailer has the PS4 sold out, at least in the U.S, this leads me to believe that the days of the PS3 are a lot shorter than what Sony or CCP expected.
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1451	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:40:00 - [26] - Quote The top two? Dependent on server limitations, and where render cuts off. The others? Easy. Hell, some of us are thinking wwe are getting a bunch of that (Or at least bits of a bunch of that) in 1.7. Merry Christmas for the bunnies I suppose. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9983	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:42:00 - [27] - Quote PS3 is not showing signs of a quick kill off with over 200 titles scheduled for these holidays. First two is a long shot, well cept the maps they're already 5kms x 5kms, the entire terrain is not utilized all at once. Anyone that broke the red zone in the beta know the maps are freakishly huge. For the rest of the list... Ask CCP Santa he may sneak some gifts under the tree. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Plasma Rifle =// Unlocked
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 78	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:44:00 - [28] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: My logical side says Hell no but I can still hope. cough Mag cough
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 635	Posted - 2013.11.08 06:05:00 - [29] - Quote Can it be done in general? Yes. I played MAG I know it can be. Can CCP do this? I think that they have this ability because they have enough money around that they could invest in this. Will they? Based on their track record I think they won't.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 844	Posted - 2013.11.08 06:16:00 - [30] - Quote I have no shortage of faith in ccp. dust will outlive the console it started on.



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