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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
844
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:17:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Can it be done in general? Yes. I played MAG I know it can be. Can CCP do this? I think that they have this ability because they have enough money around that they could invest in this. Will they? Based on their track record I think they won't.
based on their track record? the only other game they've ever been a part of is 10 years old and still growing. |
Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
2116
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:40:00 -
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Serah Phymne wrote:"Pull it off"?
It's over.
They've wasted too much time and they've screwed up immensely and repeatedly.
In release. Reviews are out. No one plays it apart from a few hardcore players if that.
PS4 coming in a couple of weeks with better games all free to play.
It's over.
I knew CCP had a lax attitude to development but the Eve team comes through when it counts.
But the way the Dust team has handled this game is almost criminally incompetent.
Still not even the BASIC set of suits, vehicles and weapons available.
Still no commander mode.
No chance of any other vehicles like fighters or mechs.
And don't even bother asking about boarding because it won't be coming for YEARS.
You've got better hope of them implementing the commander mode which would make this game a thousand times better than it is now (But they won't implement it even though it was the first thing they had ready).
I was convinced that the last six months of silence was because they were porting this to the PS4 which would atleast make it easier to program for and better hardware to cover the poor optimization.
But they've now admitted that over the last six months they've been doing little else but balancing... I mean it's absolutely crazy!
well, when you put it like that.
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Aqua-Regia
542
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:43:00 -
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I hope and also say No
I have reason you don't need to know.
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Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
2116
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:45:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:I hope and also say No
I have reason you don't need to know. hurpdurp |
Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
1452
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:01:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:PS3 is not showing signs of a quick kill off with over 200 titles scheduled for these holidays.
First two is a long shot, well cept the maps they're already 5kms x 5kms, the entire terrain is not utilized all at once. Anyone that broke the red zone in the beta know the maps are freakishly huge.
For the rest of the list... Ask CCP Santa he may sneak some gifts under the tree. Hohoho?
I love CPM for their lovely cryptical messages.
For the State!
For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
4724
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:09:00 -
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gbghg wrote:i believe that CCP will get the majority of the racial content in so they can set dust up for a spectacular PS4 launch (well, relative to the ps3 one at least), i have a feeling that dust will probably last longer than most of us suspect.
I hope you're right, but I don't believe you.
Level 4 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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Vesago Ghostcore
Rejected Clones
78
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:30:00 -
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Eve is in its 10th year, and its not finished.
This is because its an evolving game.
Dust is the same.
The console will have to change eventually, but don't forget that EVE has survived a few periods where their graphics were too much for older computers to handle. People stayed, people left... but EVE is still going strong.
You cant finish this game, because if you do, it vanishes. Dust needs to continually evolve... or people, even the seriously hardcore ones, will leave.
The "Finish the game!" gripe does not apply to CCP's game concepts. Hence their greatness.
So, my answer is this. CCP will go to another console when it needs to, and get used to changes... they wont stop. |
Serah Phymne
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:41:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:PS3 is not showing signs of a quick kill off with over 200 titles scheduled for these holidays.
First two is a long shot, well cept the maps they're already 5kms x 5kms, the entire terrain is not utilized all at once. Anyone that broke the red zone in the beta know the maps are freakishly huge.
For the rest of the list... Ask CCP Santa he may sneak some gifts under the tree. Hohoho? I love CPM for their lovely cryptical messages.
I always like to remind myself that the CPM aren't community elected but elected by CCP themselves.
What better shills can you get then fanboys like IWS?
Especially when you elect them to unimportant titles that mean little else than "Marketer". |
GRIM GEAR
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:21:00 -
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I'll be happy when they get rid of those freaking drop ships they are way over the moon powered. On a serious note i'd say they will have a well oiled machine sometime in the first quarter of next year...... yeah right who am I kidding at least end of next year. |
CEOPyrex CloneA
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
361
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:37:00 -
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To be honest one cannot take the usual investment over return discussion here as its CCP and they are frankly weird when it comes to projects.
Dust cannot fail - that is a given - CCP would be seen as a one trick pony forever and exciting new projects like EVE Valkwassit wouldnt get the backing they would if dust failed.
Dust has to be something that CCP keep alive if only for their own reputations sake, investors will only back companies that can produce returns and CCP obviously have done this with EVE. What remains to be seen is if they remain loyal to the PS3 - currently this strategy is filled with risk as frankly noone has any clue what will happen with the PS4 comes out.
Will huge numbers of people trade in their ps3 for the ps4? highly likely, will this mean dust loses people, yes but how many is the question.
What CCP should be focusing their mighty marketing team on is all the people who are going to buy that 2nd hand ps3 and getting them into dust - in terms of player numbers we shouldn't see a drop, rather a dip while people find Dust 514 who bought the 2nd hand ps3.
At least that is what i would do, could be a huge inrush of new players to AR stomp. |
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VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
66
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:39:00 -
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You are highly illogical..
> Master of the Sniper
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."
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Severance Pay
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
947
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:08:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:With 5km^2 maps, 50 vs 50 or more players
rest of racial suits rest of racial weapons rest of racial BLOODY VEHICLES Rest of vehicle frames (MAV, Heavy/light aircraft) In all races Rest of racial turrets (Laser and such)
And do all of this before 1. The game is dead 2. It would have been more successful investing time in PS4 before same deadline
It is actually very possible. If DUST makes it onto GAIKAI(All ps3 games will be on GAIKAI). Then hardware becomes arbitrary. Why? Because DUST514 will be streamed and GAIKAI will do all the hardware lifting, it will depend soley on your network connection. his means that CCP can develop DUST514 without bounds. Will GAIKAI be on Ps3 and PS4? It is definitely coming to PS4, but an app for PS3 is possible and very likely.
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
1323
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:16:00 -
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Yes but people probably won't be interested until/if it's on ps4.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
Fix PC lag please CCP.
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8213
Grade No.2
572
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:49:00 -
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The fact that the number of players in this game has only declined over the years already tells you your answer. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1174
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:10:00 -
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Serah Phymne wrote:"Pull it off"?
It's over.
They've wasted too much time and they've screwed up immensely and repeatedly.
In release. Reviews are out. No one plays it apart from a few hardcore players if that.
PS4 coming in a couple of weeks with better games all free to play.
It's over.
I knew CCP had a lax attitude to development but the Eve team comes through when it counts.
But the way the Dust team has handled this game is almost criminally incompetent.
Still not even the BASIC set of suits, vehicles and weapons available.
Still no commander mode.
No chance of any other vehicles like fighters or mechs.
And don't even bother asking about boarding because it won't be coming for YEARS.
You've got better hope of them implementing the commander mode which would make this game a thousand times better than it is now (But they won't implement it even though it was the first thing they had ready).
I was convinced that the last six months of silence was because they were porting this to the PS4 which would atleast make it easier to program for and better hardware to cover the poor optimization.
But they've now admitted that over the last six months they've been doing little else but balancing... I mean it's absolutely crazy!
No one ever said that about their other game that is still active and growing. The one that just turned 10.
They would be fools to move to the PS4 right away. You don't throw a 80 million strong potential player base away for an unproven console with low numbers. Let's say there is 20,000 active players in a pool of 80m consoles. That is a 0.00025 adoption rate. If the PS4 sold 10m the first day with the same adoption rate then it would add 2500 players. I'm being optimistic on the adoption rate and number of PS4s sold.
I have had little sleep so math may be wrong but the point still stands. If you have to choose which players to aim for would it be 80 million or 2 million? Think about it.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1174
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:15:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:With 5km^2 maps, 50 vs 50 or more players
rest of racial suits rest of racial weapons rest of racial BLOODY VEHICLES Rest of vehicle frames (MAV, Heavy/light aircraft) In all races Rest of racial turrets (Laser and such)
And do all of this before 1. The game is dead 2. It would have been more successful investing time in PS4 before same deadline
It is actually very possible.If DUST makes it onto GAIKAI(All ps3 games will be on GAIKAI). Then hardware becomes arbitrary. Why? Because DUST514 will be streamed and GAIKAI will do all the hardware lifting, it will depend soley on your network connection. his means that CCP can develop DUST514 without bounds. Will GAIKAI be on Ps3 and PS4? It is definitely coming to PS4, but an app for PS3 is possible and very likely.
I want to say that the latency would be too much. My house in Georgia to Giaki to London to Giaki to my house. Seems like a long time to travel.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Amorale Lyadstafer
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:18:00 -
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nope |
Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy
672
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:21:00 -
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yesterday i layed over 200 logi equipment in one match with 5 other proto logi's..in the open space there was 0 lag in closed space half the lag there used to be..they are doing better at least |
Serah Phymne
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:08:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Serah Phymne wrote:"Pull it off"?
It's over.
They've wasted too much time and they've screwed up immensely and repeatedly.
In release. Reviews are out. No one plays it apart from a few hardcore players if that.
PS4 coming in a couple of weeks with better games all free to play.
It's over.
I knew CCP had a lax attitude to development but the Eve team comes through when it counts.
But the way the Dust team has handled this game is almost criminally incompetent.
Still not even the BASIC set of suits, vehicles and weapons available.
Still no commander mode.
No chance of any other vehicles like fighters or mechs.
And don't even bother asking about boarding because it won't be coming for YEARS.
You've got better hope of them implementing the commander mode which would make this game a thousand times better than it is now (But they won't implement it even though it was the first thing they had ready).
I was convinced that the last six months of silence was because they were porting this to the PS4 which would atleast make it easier to program for and better hardware to cover the poor optimization.
But they've now admitted that over the last six months they've been doing little else but balancing... I mean it's absolutely crazy! No one ever said that about their other game that is still active and growing. The one that just turned 10. They would be fools to move to the PS4 right away. You don't throw a 80 million strong potential player base away for an unproven console with low numbers. Let's say there is 20,000 active players in a pool of 80m consoles. That is a 0.00025 adoption rate. If the PS4 sold 10m the first day with the same adoption rate then it would add 2500 players. I'm being optimistic on the adoption rate and number of PS4s sold. I have had little sleep so math may be wrong but the point still stands. If you have to choose which players to aim for would it be 80 million or 2 million? Think about it.
80 million strong player base? What are you smoking?
Eve took about 5 years to get really good. And it was competing in a market where it was the only game of it's kind. Even then it took years and years to get good.
Not to mention it didn't start out as bad as this.
Dust is in a competing market but CCP still develop like there's is the only game around. That's why it's taken them so long to get anything done.
In eve they had time. Here they don't.
Also if you expect this game to be here at the end of next year let alone 10 years down the line then you're mad.
In addition shooters shouldn't take 10 years to get good.
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Thorgen Barr
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:31:00 -
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gbghg wrote:i believe that CCP will get the majority of the racial content in so they can set dust up for a spectacular PS4 launch (well, relative to the ps3 one at least), i have a feeling that dust will probably last longer than most of us suspect.
Or it will crash and burn more spectacularly than you can possibly imagine xD |
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TuFar Gon
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
40
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:46:00 -
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All u have to do is ask yourself one question,,just one. If Dust 514 DOES carry over to ps4,,will u play it? If the answer is yes,is Dust then dying? The populace has developed a common phrase on this subject,," you'll b back" |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
636
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Posted - 2013.11.09 04:50:00 -
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low genius wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Can it be done in general? Yes. I played MAG I know it can be. Can CCP do this? I think that they have this ability because they have enough money around that they could invest in this. Will they? Based on their track record I think they won't. based on their track record? the only other game they've ever been a part of is 10 years old and still growing.
I guess 2 years of Dust 'beta' does not count.
Eve still growing you say??? Have you checked simultaneous ppl logged in? I don't think it has upticked since 2010 but was steadily rolling down hill. Ppl keep their subscription out of boredom (hence the 'growth') and they keep it because they want to keep sp ticking on the off chance that they may get back to EVE eventually. This is not because EVE is such an amazing game it's because of the gimmicky passive xp system. So yeah.... if you measure success only by how much ppl are milking money out of something, it's solid.
You still want to discuss CCP's track record? |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
636
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Posted - 2013.11.09 05:09:00 -
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote:To be honest one cannot take the usual investment over return discussion here as its CCP and they are frankly weird when it comes to projects.
Dust cannot fail - that is a given - CCP would be seen as a one trick pony forever and exciting new projects like EVE Valkwassit wouldnt get the backing they would if dust failed.
Dust has to be something that CCP keep alive if only for their own reputations sake, investors will only back companies that can produce returns and CCP obviously have done this with EVE. What remains to be seen is if they remain loyal to the PS3 - currently this strategy is filled with risk as frankly noone has any clue what will happen with the PS4 comes out.
Will huge numbers of people trade in their ps3 for the ps4? highly likely, will this mean dust loses people, yes but how many is the question.
What CCP should be focusing their mighty marketing team on is all the people who are going to buy that 2nd hand ps3 and getting them into dust - in terms of player numbers we shouldn't see a drop, rather a dip while people find Dust 514 who bought the 2nd hand ps3.
At least that is what i would do, could be a huge inrush of new players to AR stomp.
I doubt that there is much of a market for second hand PS3's. Most PS3's will probably go in a box in the grandma's attic. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1464
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Posted - 2013.11.09 05:28:00 -
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No. They'll have to port it over, and within the 1st year. I'm probably giving my Ps3 to Gamestop for my PS4 (unless it's not worth it. Hell, I could find a PS3 with a ****** up bluray drive, and buy that), so it doesn't matter to me. Oh well, I'll play Dust if I get the chance, and I'll be on the fourms..... oh wait, if that's the case, then I guess Godin's getting some free suits along with being able to skill right into PROTO vehicles and Scout suit (assuming they will be out by the time I got access to Dust again. Maybe a medium suit as well
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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