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The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 1828	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:16:00 - [1] - Quote Ive played around with HMG's quite a while and there are 2 main issues with it. 1. the HMG becomes more accurate the longer you fire. However the crosshair shrinking is too slow in serious firefights 2. the range is like on a SMG which is really poor for a heavy weapon. This means a guy with a AR outranges you at 20m. the HMG basically needs a buff in range and a faster shrinking crosshair. Damage itself is fine how it is at the moment. It is just ridicoulus that a guy with a militia AR can outrange you with a AR from 20meters away. And to make it easy to you to imagine how far 20meters are: that is the range of a proto repair tool (21 meters actually). Give the weapon a similar range profile like assault rifles not like shotguns or a SMG. And even then the shotgun probs does more damage in a shorter amount of time. Heavys have downsides to them cause they need to rely on their team for ammo supply. Are damn slow (grenade magnet) and have the largest hitbox which makes them the easiest to hit class in the whole game. They aswell dont have a equipment slot to use stuff like drop uplinks,scanners etc. People may say that they can hit people further away with a HMG but the falloff killed the damage to like 1-3HP per hit which gets easy tanked by a armor repair rate of like 10HP/s. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
TEMPL2R 0NE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:19:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Troll wrote: How about, No? :)
21yrOld Knight Pradox One 255	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:19:00 - [3] - Quote Heavies get one buffs. Now they are wanting more buffs like General John Ripper wants tacos. Remember Mr.Heavy a buff is not food, you don't need it to survive.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2299	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:22:00 - [4] - Quote You want to fight long range use a forge gun or keep bugging CCP to finally get a heavy laser weapon out there, the HMG is short range suppression not "Herp derp I iz teh heavy guy and killz everything at any range" A lot of people try to use it as the door kicking weapon when its not, its the hang back in a tight spot where they cant run from a wall of bullets weapon and the biggest problem is that most maps dont support that Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1946	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:23:00 - [5] - Quote Considering its a projectile weapon it actually should have more range....... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 1 Fix my class already
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 40	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:23:00 - [6] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Heavies get one buffs. Now they are wanting more buffs like General John Ripper wants tacos. Chimichangas would be soooooo better > Master of the Sniper "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 200	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:26:00 - [7] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Heavies get one buffs. Now they are wanting more buffs like General John Ripper wants tacos. The "buff" you speak of simply gives us about a half second longer to lament how much of a joke we are, while the AR scrub farms another free kill. The suit isn't the problem. However, the utter lack of weapons is. Dedicated fattie in need of new heavy content.
21yrOld Knight Pradox One 257	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:28:00 - [8] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Heavies get one buffs. Now they are wanting more buffs like General John Ripper wants tacos. The "buff" you speak of simply gives us about a half second longer to lament how much of a joke we are, while the AR scrub farms another free kill. The suit isn't the problem. However, the utter lack of weapons is. Don't forget the increase in health regeneration from proto reps. it is now 175 per second. Remember Mr.Heavy a buff is not food, you don't need it to survive.
Eldest Dragon 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 346	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:32:00 - [9] - Quote I will second the motion of having hmg range moved to ar range, only if the motion to move ar range to sniper range is approved, what do you say guys... When your playing dust and your frustrated...if all else fails...turn off the ps3 works every time.
Jacques Cayton II Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 74	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:33:00 - [10] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: You want to fight long range use a forge gun or keep bugging CCP to finally get a heavy laser weapon out there, the HMG is short range suppression not "Herp derp I iz teh heavy guy and killz everything at any range" A lot of people try to use it as the door kicking weapon when its not, its the hang back in a tight spot where they cant run from a wall of bullets weapon and the biggest problem is that most maps dont support that Dude you are numbskull the hmg is poop try using it against an AR at 20 meters. And to make it valid use a std vs std an and vs adv proto vs proto. Guess what wins? AR at 20m wow its strange that a AR does better than a hmg even in its sweet zone well theirs my 2 isklets

Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 200	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:33:00 - [11] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Heavies get one buffs. Now they are wanting more buffs like General John Ripper wants tacos. The "buff" you speak of simply gives us about a half second longer to lament how much of a joke we are, while the AR scrub farms another free kill. The suit isn't the problem. However, the utter lack of weapons is. Don't forget the increase in health regeneration from proto reps. it is now 175 per second. Once again it's NOT the suit that is UP. The HMG is little more than a super soaker right now. You could probably kill someone with a rock from father away than a HMG. Dedicated fattie in need of new heavy content.
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 200	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:37:00 - [12] - Quote Eldest Dragon wrote: I will second the motion of having hmg range moved to ar range, only if the motion to move ar range to sniper range is approved, what do you say guys... I'm sorry you chose blaster tech? New Eden tech works like this when it comes to range: Rail>Laser>Projectile>Blaster. If this is supposed to be the same universe as Eve, why isn't the tech the same? Dedicated fattie in need of new heavy content.
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 41	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:38:00 - [13] - Quote Eldest Dragon wrote: I will second the motion of having hmg range moved to ar range, only if the motion to move ar range to sniper range is approved, what do you say guys... you sir, are evil. > Master of the Sniper "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."
Jacques Cayton II Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 74	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:40:00 - [14] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Heavies get one buffs. Now they are wanting more buffs like General John Ripper wants tacos. The "buff" you speak of simply gives us about a half second longer to lament how much of a joke we are, while the AR scrub farms another free kill. The suit isn't the problem. However, the utter lack of weapons is. Don't forget the increase in health regeneration from proto reps. it is now 175 per second. Really wow your right that is true so where is the logi who actually does logi things since the heavy can't kill someone even if he is getting reps
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2300	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:41:00 - [15] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Delta 749 wrote: You want to fight long range use a forge gun or keep bugging CCP to finally get a heavy laser weapon out there, the HMG is short range suppression not "Herp derp I iz teh heavy guy and killz everything at any range" A lot of people try to use it as the door kicking weapon when its not, its the hang back in a tight spot where they cant run from a wall of bullets weapon and the biggest problem is that most maps dont support that Dude you are numbskull the hmg is poop try using it against an AR at 20 meters. And to make it valid use a std vs std an and vs adv proto vs proto. Guess what wins? AR at 20m wow its strange that a AR does better than a hmg even in its sweet zone well theirs my 2 isklets Except I have done this and I have won, I guess Im just a better player than you I mean its not like I had 1k ehp without mods and not like I didnt make use of my slots to beat the mean old Mr AR man its also not like I decided to move and strafe a little since even that bit of movement does a lot to help you survive while they other guy is jumping around trying to avoid the constant stream Im sending at him If you play well and engage in the right area you do fine, otherwise yeah youll get ripped apart It seems like a lot of guys just wanted to run around as the TF2 heavy and use a bunch of health and a huge gun to overcome their lack of playing ability Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
Cosgar ParagonX 7436	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:58:00 - [16] - Quote Hell, buffing HMG range to 5m short of an AR would go a long way. The HMG needs to be treated like a heavy weapon and not lowered to the standards of light weapons like it is now. Overheat, slow reload and lack of mobility were always a heavy with a HMG's weakness. Now, they barely have any strengths. They can even recind the suit HP buff for this and the heavy would be in a good place. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 279	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:10:00 - [17] - Quote I'd rather have a weapon with good range than a CQC weapon, thats why i specced into HMG, because i thaught it was a HMG, but its not. Its an overgrown smg with the dispersion of a shotgun. Oh, the irony. The forgegun got nerfed because people used that against infantry rather than the HMG witch is purely meant to kill infantry.
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles 3912	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:11:00 - [18] - Quote Eldest Dragon wrote: I will second the motion of having hmg range moved to ar range, only if the motion to move ar range to sniper range is approved, what do you say guys... How about we move the assault rifle to the hMG range and see how many threads you guys put up in a day. Seriously the machine gun should be better than assault rifle its a heavy weapon that requires a specialized heavy suit to use! Instead we get two submachine gun barrelles ducked taped together. Look at the best weapon in gtaV now that is what we need here....
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1031	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:12:00 - [19] - Quote Cosgar wrote: They can even recind the suit HP buff for this and the heavy would be in a good place. Completely agree. I don't recall a single thread asking for an HP buff in the first place. Not even Commandos, who want module slots more than anything. Roll it back, fix the HMG, release some damn content, and CCP will have happy fatties. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 000/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1358	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:20:00 - [20] - Quote I feel like the only heavy that never engaged anything at 20+ meters even in the "golden age" of closed early beta... Why ever, evvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvver fight on the terms of your prey? Granted, the HMG is a sub-par weapon currently, but every map minus garbage manus peak supports HMG work in at least one critical area... As a side note: Grab a bricked fatsuit sentinel with just one repper and a damage mod with everything else plates, and do ambushes with the HMG via LLAV madness, it's hilarious what the mobility of the LLAV will do for bricked HMG fatsuits... Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1054	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:38:00 - [21] - Quote HMG == Projectile Weapon The current AR is Gallente Blaster tech and as such, it would stand to reason that the HMG (being a Projectile weapon) would have a comparable range to the Combat Rifle if you want it to have a similar range to an AR. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives.... Martyr for the Republic Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles 3914	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:40:00 - [22] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: I feel like the only heavy that never engaged anything at 20+ meters even in the "golden age" of closed early beta... Why ever, evvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvver fight on the terms of your prey? Granted, the HMG is a sub-par weapon currently, but every map minus garbage manus peak supports HMG work in at least one critical area... As a side note: Grab a bricked fatsuit sentinel with just one repper and a damage mod with everything else plates, and do ambushes with the HMG via LLAV madness, it's hilarious what the mobility of the LLAV will do for bricked HMG fatsuits... In think the problem is that because we use the best weapon in dust,its so bad ass it requires its own special suit so large and slow to be able to fire the super weapon of the future. That as a heavy you cannot dictate your engagements or prey. The prey is the ones that dictates how they engage a heavy not the other way around. But not to worry the whole reason we are slow and can't carry any equipment is because we carry the most devastating weapon in the game...... Am i right?
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1033	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:52:00 - [23] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: But not to worry the whole reason we are slow and can't carry any equipment is because we carry the most devastating weapon in the game...... Am i right? You are. It's called the Forge Gun. At least we have that... It'd be nice to have a second option that doesn't involve a lolomgAR of some sort, however. ED: Completely srs non-venemous mode here: I think the HMG is beast toe-to-toe. But it needs to actually be able to do it's DPS at its optimal range like every other weapon in the game can. If it could apply it's full and proper DPS (or even most of it) at 30m like the range numbers say it should, it would be perfectly fine. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 000/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1008	Posted - 2013.11.07 03:04:00 - [24] - Quote I always thought the Ar should have a 40-50 range limit. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1725	Posted - 2013.11.07 03:23:00 - [25] - Quote Every now and then I jump into a fat suit to see if it's worthwhile again. I always switch back pretty quick. I wouldn't mind the HMG being what it is if there were another option for heavies. right now the heavies are having to deal with crippling overspecialization.
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 318	Posted - 2013.11.07 03:32:00 - [26] - Quote Buff the HMG and take away the ability to put a light weapon in a heavy weapon slot. Crybabies.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 564	Posted - 2013.11.07 03:37:00 - [27] - Quote Add a sharpshooter skill to the hmg
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1289	Posted - 2013.11.07 03:40:00 - [28] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eldest Dragon wrote: I will second the motion of having hmg range moved to ar range, only if the motion to move ar range to sniper range is approved, what do you say guys... I'm sorry you chose blaster tech? New Eden tech works like this when it comes to range: Rail>Laser>Projectile>Blaster. If this is supposed to be the same universe as Eve, why isn't the tech the same? I am the same Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 204	Posted - 2013.11.07 03:44:00 - [29] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Buff the HMG and take away the ability to put a light weapon in a heavy weapon slot. Crybabies. That wouldn't bother me a bit... I specced HEAVY to use HEAVY WEAPONS. People who use the heavy dropsuit as an eHP cocoon for their AR sicken me Dedicated fattie in need of new heavy content.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1218	Posted - 2013.11.07 03:48:00 - [30] - Quote The only good HMG is the Six Kin Burst and at 77K a piece it's not practical for everyday use. What is a signature?

Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 206	Posted - 2013.11.07 04:52:00 - [31] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: The only good HMG is the Six Kin Burst and at 77K a piece it's not practical for everyday use. ALL of them would be good if they treated them like a f*cking HMG and not a water pistol. If I got an isk for everytime an AR beat me in MY optimal range, I'd be a billionaire... Dedicated fattie in need of new heavy content.
lrian Locust DUST University Ivy League 274	Posted - 2013.11.07 05:38:00 - [32] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: It is just ridicoulus that a guy with a militia AR can outrange you with a AR from 20meters away. I agree, the AR is ridiculous. But let's give the SR the range of the HMG. That would solve a lot more problems in the game!
Aqua-Regia 536	Posted - 2013.11.07 05:40:00 - [33] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Ive played around with HMG's quite a while and there are 2 main issues with it. 1. the HMG becomes more accurate the longer you fire. However the crosshair shrinking is too slow in serious firefights 2. the range is like on a SMG which is really poor for a heavy weapon. This means a guy with a AR outranges you at 20m. the HMG basically needs a buff in range and a faster shrinking crosshair. Damage itself is fine how it is at the moment. It is just ridicoulus that a guy with a militia AR can outrange you with a AR from 20meters away. And to make it easy to you to imagine how far 20meters are: that is the range of a proto repair tool (21 meters actually). Give the weapon a similar range profile like assault rifles not like shotguns or a SMG. And even then the shotgun probs does more damage in a shorter amount of time. Heavys have downsides to them cause they need to rely on their team for ammo supply. Are damn slow (grenade magnet) and have the largest hitbox which makes them the easiest to hit class in the whole game. They aswell dont have a equipment slot to use stuff like drop uplinks,scanners etc. People may say that they can hit people further away with a HMG but the falloff killed the damage to like 1-3HP per hit which gets easy tanked by a armor repair rate of like 10HP/s. hell no GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
lrian Locust DUST University Ivy League 274	Posted - 2013.11.07 05:41:00 - [34] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Don't forget the increase in health regeneration from proto reps. it is now 175 per second. So a heavy can regenerate as fast as I can shoot him with a proto sniper rifle? I guess I'll forget about targeting heavies altogether...
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 1073	Posted - 2013.11.07 05:45:00 - [35] - Quote I already had one pinging my shields off today from over 50 m an the damn AR WAS KILLING ME PAST 60- yeah you need a buff but Ar shoots too far as is
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1038	Posted - 2013.11.07 05:48:00 - [36] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Don't forget the increase in health regeneration from proto reps. it is now 175 per second. So a heavy can regenerate as fast as I can shoot him with a proto sniper rifle? I guess I'll forget about targeting heavies altogether... He's talking about the equipment Armor Repairer. Shoot the Logi instead and you're good. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 000/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 283	Posted - 2013.11.07 05:49:00 - [37] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Don't forget the increase in health regeneration from proto reps. it is now 175 per second. So a heavy can regenerate as fast as I can shoot him with a proto sniper rifle? I guess I'll forget about targeting heavies altogether... Snipers useally aim for the logi first, then the heavy. Would you like to know more?
Grimmiers 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 313	Posted - 2013.11.07 06:12:00 - [38] - Quote There should be an hmg varient that has a spin up with less dispersion and more range. The description of the current hmg says the lack of spin up makes the initial accuracy as bad as it is. The current hmg would still be decent at cqc and tight corners and the new variant would be for those heavies out in the open. Grimm Grimm! \ Youtube Channel Recruiter Link
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 370	Posted - 2013.11.07 07:05:00 - [39] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: I'd rather have a weapon with good range than a CQC weapon, thats why i specced into HMG, because i thaught it was a HMG, but its not. Its an overgrown smg with the dispersion of a shotgun. Oh, the irony. The forgegun got nerfed because people used that against infantry rather than the HMG witch is purely meant to kill infantry. And just above someone said that if a heavy wants to kill infantry at range they should grab a forge. Every CQC camping HMG I've seen was soon killed by a grenade or two tossed by my team mates since I carry AVs. And to expect a HMG to skill into an LLAV is unreasonable. Camping or driving shouldn't be necessary for kills but it's what the HMG has been reduced to.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 370	Posted - 2013.11.07 07:13:00 - [40] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: You want to fight long range use a forge gun or keep bugging CCP to finally get a heavy laser weapon out there, the HMG is short range suppression not "Herp derp I iz teh heavy guy and killz everything at any range" A lot of people try to use it as the door kicking weapon when its not, its the hang back in a tight spot where they cant run from a wall of bullets weapon and the biggest problem is that most maps dont support that Ok. Show me on the M134 where it's says that it's primary use is for short range suppression. Show me where it says short range suppression on the AN/GAU-8a 30mm Avenger. I've played many games with HMG/Miniguns, and this is the worst iteration of it at the moment. It should be brought back to back to pre Chromosome.

Koan Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 23	Posted - 2013.11.07 07:40:00 - [41] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: You could probably kill someone with a rock from father away than a HMG. Has seen this happen with lag and a grenade that was thrown. Looked like it just hit the guy in the head and he fell over...couldnt stop laughing...
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1397	Posted - 2013.11.07 07:56:00 - [42] - Quote HMG needs a range buff or a massive damage buff. Pretty simple problem with a simple solution. Other dropsuits should be terrified of letting an HMG reach optimal.
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles 37	Posted - 2013.11.07 09:08:00 - [43] - Quote LOL'd at title Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
taxi bastard Minor Trueblood 16	Posted - 2013.11.07 09:54:00 - [44] - Quote HMG is utterly useless. I have proficiency at 3 and that's where its going to stay. TTK against the AR in the heavy suit is minimal at range - at close range if they have space and any idea they can drop you easily by weaving constantly as getting caught up in your soggy pea's steam which we are meant to believe is bullets does not do much damage to them because its impossible to track such movement consistently when close up so they will for a greater part of the time not be taking damage. all my 6 mil SP are in HMG, EHP and core skills using the dren packs assault/logi suits plus the dren assault rifle without any skills for the medium frame or AR I am doing alot better. ok I have the EHP skills and can use the armour mods, but its just stupid how I can drop my fellow heavys in something approaching a starter fit and on the gun skill wise new player SP level with ease. the only ok HMG imo is the burst - but it needs more range. the assault .....its ment to be good at a reasonable range but really its just a DPS nerfed regular HMG - pretty pointless as it stands. IMO it should be on par with normal AR range wise with similar DPS at average engagement distance, less at longer and more at shorter. regular HMG ......does not do what it says on the tin - report to the office of fair trading. all in all I feel that most of the SP are wasted. heavy suit is easy to hit because of its size but TTK is still low - so the greater EHP is really pointless as a reasonably tanked med suit with its smaller hitbox and faster movement speed will have a greater TTK if they weave a little bit. and the trade off we make for this........ having a shite weapon.
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1838	Posted - 2013.11.07 09:58:00 - [45] - Quote As I said several times, I really, really believe that it needs less dispersion instead of more range. -Caldari Achura - One with the Universe -Tac AR Specialist "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
8213 Grade No.2 554	Posted - 2013.11.07 10:08:00 - [46] - Quote The fact that CCP thought of the Heavy, and purposely made it OP shows they didn't know what they were doing in the first place. Now, its nerfed to the point of useless, unless you switch out the HMG with a Duvolle. What's the point of running Heavy? A Gallente has the same amount of HP, is faster, and can use Equipment... The HMG itself is actually fine. The problem is the lag. Within 30m, nothing should survive an HMG for longer than .70 seconds... but of course, the math doesn't add up because of lag and slow software...
Aienta Gurhl WarRavens League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2013.11.07 10:09:00 - [47] - Quote @op Bwaaahaahaahaa I'm watching hmg wielding heavies go 51/3 BEFORE the health buff. That's crazy talk. It's not what you play, it's how you play it.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1039	Posted - 2013.11.07 12:35:00 - [48] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: As I said several times, I really, really believe that it needs less dispersion instead of more range. Same effect, really, but I think we're asking for the same thing. Keep optimal at 30m, but make the thing actually hit well at that range. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 000/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Jacques Cayton II Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 80	Posted - 2013.11.07 12:50:00 - [49] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Cosgar wrote: They can even recind the suit HP buff for this and the heavy would be in a good place. Completely agree. I don't recall a single thread asking for an HP buff in the first place. Not even Commandos, who want module slots more than anything. Roll it back, fix the HMG, release some damn content, and CCP will have happy fatties. That's to smart stop it
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 1836	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:11:00 - [50] - Quote Im curious why cant we spin up the HMG without shoting? Get rid of the "doom camera" and let us spin the HMG up by pressing L1. Other games who have similar weapons offer this feature. But as long you only "spin the barrel" it shouldnt build up heat cause it doesnt fire projectiles. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun

Toby Flenderson research lab 105	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:17:00 - [51] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Heavies get one buffs. Now they are wanting more buffs like General John Ripper wants tacos. The "buff" you speak of simply gives us about a half second longer to lament how much of a joke we are, while the AR scrub farms another free kill. The suit isn't the problem. However, the utter lack of weapons is. I got HMG up to lvl 3 and only have an advanced heavy suit. I instantly got games like 20-3 on my first hour of playing the HMG, most of which I attribute to staying in tight spots where it tears through people. It's not that hard to use in its optimal environment. The buff mixed with repair tool buffs are amazing though. Heavies that are more ambitious and want to walk out in the open should only do so with a logi to back them up. Otherwise stay in tight hallways. I agree about the lack of weapons though. I was basically kept in small areas the whole match and I just accepted it as the role of a heavy. There's too much of a gap between the HMG and the FG in terms of play style. I've seen people do amazing things with both in any scenario but there needs to be a middle ground or some sort of laser weapon. I was going to save for a Gallente heavy suit (maybe 1.7? I honestly don't get my hopes up often but they claim it'll be amazing) but without different weapons I'm not sure it's worth it considering I'm not found of the current HMG role.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1149	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:18:00 - [52] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: You want to fight long range use a forge gun or keep bugging CCP to finally get a heavy laser weapon out there, the HMG is short range suppression not "Herp derp I iz teh heavy guy and killz everything at any range" A lot of people try to use it as the door kicking weapon when its not, its the hang back in a tight spot where they cant run from a wall of bullets weapon and the biggest problem is that most maps dont support that Good job. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1149	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:19:00 - [53] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: Heavies get one buffs. Now they are wanting more buffs like General John Ripper wants tacos. The "buff" you speak of simply gives us about a half second longer to lament how much of a joke we are, while the AR scrub farms another free kill. The suit isn't the problem. However, the utter lack of weapons is. I got HMG up to lvl 3 and only have an advanced heavy suit. I instantly got games like 20-3 on my first hour of playing the HMG, most of which I attribute to staying in tight spots where it tears through people. It's not that hard to use in its optimal environment. The buff mixed with repair tool buffs are amazing though. Heavies that are more ambitious and want to walk out in the open should only do so with a logi to back them up. Otherwise stay in tight hallways. I agree about the lack of weapons though. I was basically kept in small areas the whole match and I just accepted it as the role of a heavy. There's too much of a gap between the HMG and the FG in terms of play style. I've seen people do amazing things with both in any scenario but there needs to be a middle ground or some sort of laser weapon. I was going to save for a Gallente heavy suit (maybe 1.7? I honestly don't get my hopes up often but they claim it'll be amazing) but without different weapons I'm not sure it's worth it considering I'm not found of the current HMG role. Hopefully we will get a good Christmas present. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Lightning Bolt2 From The Mist 318	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:35:00 - [54] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Ive played around with HMG's quite a while and there are 2 main issues with it. 1. the HMG becomes more accurate the longer you fire. However the crosshair shrinking is too slow in serious firefights 2. the range is like on a SMG which is really poor for a heavy weapon. This means a guy with a AR outranges you at 20m. the HMG basically needs a buff in range and a faster shrinking crosshair. Damage itself is fine how it is at the moment. It is just ridicoulus that a guy with a militia AR can outrange you with a AR from 20meters away. And to make it easy to you to imagine how far 20meters are: that is the range of a proto repair tool (21 meters actually). Give the weapon a similar range profile like assault rifles not like shotguns or a SMG. And even then the shotgun probs does more damage in a shorter amount of time. Heavys have downsides to them cause they need to rely on their team for ammo supply. Are damn slow (grenade magnet) and have the largest hitbox which makes them the easiest to hit class in the whole game. They aswell dont have a equipment slot to use stuff like drop uplinks,scanners etc. People may say that they can hit people further away with a HMG but the falloff killed the damage to like 1-3HP per hit which gets easy tanked by a armor repair rate of like 10HP/s. take it slow, if CCP buffs heavys or scouts to much, they'll be OP! I'd say, make the HMG have AR range and keep its dispersion, that way you'll be able to take on assaults at 40M then dispersion makes it more of an area of denial weapon at 40+M remember, when you first see lightning play in a open field! from the non-existent mist! forum warrior lvl: pathetic!
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 158	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:56:00 - [55] - Quote The HMG looks like it should be the ultimate anti-infantry weapon, but it feels about as potent as my SMG. Dual SMG heavy beats HMG heavy in CQC...Ok, I might be exaggerating, but the HMG needs a major buff. I know CCP wants to avoid having everyone skill into HMGs, but they should do it with better defensive counters (like deployable cover) instead of gimping the HMG range.
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 73	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:17:00 - [56] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: As I said several times, I really, really believe that it needs less dispersion instead of more range. I agree with this. It would give the HMG a bit more effective range, and allow for some suppression at greater ranges without changing how it fundamentally works at shorter ranges. -Aramis
Doshneil Antaro Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 147	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:39:00 - [57] - Quote The way CCP imagines heavy weapons perplexes me. You have this HUGE hmg, yet it is firing rim fired .22 caliber, inaccurate rounds with a a short range. This by far they crappiest piece of tech conceived for military combat, perhaps ever!
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 285	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:47:00 - [58] - Quote Doshneil Antaro wrote: The way CCP imagines heavy weapons perplexes me. You have this HUGE hmg, yet it is firing rim fired .22 caliber, inaccurate rounds with a a short range. This by far they crappiest piece of tech conceived for military combat, perhaps ever! Exactly my point, its like in that movie 'men in black' where the smallest gun got the biggest punch. SCR pistol>smg>AR>HMG
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 371	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:05:00 - [59] - Quote 8213 wrote: The fact that CCP thought of the Heavy, and purposely made it OP shows they didn't know what they were doing in the first place. Now, its nerfed to the point of useless, unless you switch out the HMG with a Duvolle. What's the point of running Heavy? A Gallente has the same amount of HP, is faster, and can use Equipment... The HMG itself is actually fine. The problem is the lag. Within 30m, nothing should survive an HMG for longer than .70 seconds... but of course, the math doesn't add up because of lag and slow software... It's not lag. It large dispersion with crap range. The damage would be fine if it could be applied without having to be less than an LAV length from the target.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 371	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:07:00 - [60] - Quote Lightning Bolt2 wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Ive played around with HMG's quite a while and there are 2 main issues with it. 1. the HMG becomes more accurate the longer you fire. However the crosshair shrinking is too slow in serious firefights 2. the range is like on a SMG which is really poor for a heavy weapon. This means a guy with a AR outranges you at 20m. the HMG basically needs a buff in range and a faster shrinking crosshair. Damage itself is fine how it is at the moment. It is just ridicoulus that a guy with a militia AR can outrange you with a AR from 20meters away. And to make it easy to you to imagine how far 20meters are: that is the range of a proto repair tool (21 meters actually). Give the weapon a similar range profile like assault rifles not like shotguns or a SMG. And even then the shotgun probs does more damage in a shorter amount of time. Heavys have downsides to them cause they need to rely on their team for ammo supply. Are damn slow (grenade magnet) and have the largest hitbox which makes them the easiest to hit class in the whole game. They aswell dont have a equipment slot to use stuff like drop uplinks,scanners etc. People may say that they can hit people further away with a HMG but the falloff killed the damage to like 1-3HP per hit which gets easy tanked by a armor repair rate of like 10HP/s. take it slow, if CCP buffs heavys or scouts to much, they'll be OP! I'd say, make the HMG have AR range and keep its dispersion, that way you'll be able to take on assaults at 40M then dispersion makes it more of an area of denial weapon at 40+M You really shouldn't confuse area denial with area of effect. Area denial is where you have the fire power to limit access to an area, not the ability to scratch more than one merc's paint if they're standing close enough to each other.



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