The only good HMG is the Six Kin Burst and at 77K a piece it's not practical for everyday use.

It is just ridicoulus that a guy with a militia AR can outrange you with a AR from 20meters away.

Ive played around with HMG's quite a while and there are 2 main issues with it.

1. the HMG becomes more accurate the longer you fire. However the crosshair shrinking is too slow in serious firefights
2. the range is like on a SMG which is really poor for a heavy weapon. This means a guy with a AR outranges you at 20m.

the HMG basically needs a buff in range and a faster shrinking crosshair. Damage itself is fine how it is at the moment. It is just ridicoulus that a guy with a militia AR can outrange you with a AR from 20meters away. And to make it easy to you to imagine how far 20meters are: that is the range of a proto repair tool (21 meters actually). Give the weapon a similar range profile like assault rifles not like shotguns or a SMG. And even then the shotgun probs does more damage in a shorter amount of time.

Heavys have downsides to them cause they need to rely on their team for ammo supply. Are damn slow (grenade magnet) and have the largest hitbox which makes them the easiest to hit class in the whole game. They aswell dont have a equipment slot to use stuff like drop uplinks,scanners etc. People may say that they can hit people further away with a HMG but the falloff killed the damage to like 1-3HP per hit which gets easy tanked by a armor repair rate of like 10HP/s.

Don't forget the increase in health regeneration from proto reps. it is now 175 per second.

So a heavy can regenerate as fast as I can shoot him with a proto sniper rifle? I guess I'll forget about targeting heavies altogether...

So a heavy can regenerate as fast as I can shoot him with a proto sniper rifle? I guess I'll forget about targeting heavies altogether...

I'd rather have a weapon with good range than a CQC weapon, thats why i specced into HMG, because i thaught it was a HMG, but its not. Its an overgrown smg with the dispersion of a shotgun. Oh, the irony. The forgegun got nerfed because people used that against infantry rather than the HMG witch is purely meant to kill infantry.

You want to fight long range use a forge gun or keep bugging CCP to finally get a heavy laser weapon out there, the HMG is short range suppression not "Herp derp I iz teh heavy guy and killz everything at any range"
A lot of people try to use it as the door kicking weapon when its not, its the hang back in a tight spot where they cant run from a wall of bullets weapon and the biggest problem is that most maps dont support that

You could probably kill someone with a rock from father away than a HMG.

As I said several times, I really, really believe that it needs less dispersion instead of more range.

Completely agree. I don't recall a single thread asking for an HP buff in the first place. Not even Commandos, who want module slots more than anything.

Roll it back, fix the HMG, release some damn content, and CCP will have happy fatties.

The "buff" you speak of simply gives us about a half second longer to lament how much of a joke we are, while the AR scrub farms another free kill. The suit isn't the problem. However, the utter lack of weapons is.

You want to fight long range use a forge gun or keep bugging CCP to finally get a heavy laser weapon out there, the HMG is short range suppression not "Herp derp I iz teh heavy guy and killz everything at any range"
A lot of people try to use it as the door kicking weapon when its not, its the hang back in a tight spot where they cant run from a wall of bullets weapon and the biggest problem is that most maps dont support that

I got HMG up to lvl 3 and only have an advanced heavy suit. I instantly got games like 20-3 on my first hour of playing the HMG, most of which I attribute to staying in tight spots where it tears through people. It's not that hard to use in its optimal environment. The buff mixed with repair tool buffs are amazing though. Heavies that are more ambitious and want to walk out in the open should only do so with a logi to back them up. Otherwise stay in tight hallways.

I agree about the lack of weapons though. I was basically kept in small areas the whole match and I just accepted it as the role of a heavy. There's too much of a gap between the HMG and the FG in terms of play style. I've seen people do amazing things with both in any scenario but there needs to be a middle ground or some sort of laser weapon. I was going to save for a Gallente heavy suit (maybe 1.7? I honestly don't get my hopes up often but they claim it'll be amazing) but without different weapons I'm not sure it's worth it considering I'm not found of the current HMG role.

Ive played around with HMG's quite a while and there are 2 main issues with it.

1. the HMG becomes more accurate the longer you fire. However the crosshair shrinking is too slow in serious firefights
2. the range is like on a SMG which is really poor for a heavy weapon. This means a guy with a AR outranges you at 20m.

the HMG basically needs a buff in range and a faster shrinking crosshair. Damage itself is fine how it is at the moment. It is just ridicoulus that a guy with a militia AR can outrange you with a AR from 20meters away. And to make it easy to you to imagine how far 20meters are: that is the range of a proto repair tool (21 meters actually). Give the weapon a similar range profile like assault rifles not like shotguns or a SMG. And even then the shotgun probs does more damage in a shorter amount of time.

Heavys have downsides to them cause they need to rely on their team for ammo supply. Are damn slow (grenade magnet) and have the largest hitbox which makes them the easiest to hit class in the whole game. They aswell dont have a equipment slot to use stuff like drop uplinks,scanners etc. People may say that they can hit people further away with a HMG but the falloff killed the damage to like 1-3HP per hit which gets easy tanked by a armor repair rate of like 10HP/s.

As I said several times, I really, really believe that it needs less dispersion instead of more range.

The way CCP imagines heavy weapons perplexes me. You have this HUGE hmg, yet it is firing rim fired .22 caliber, inaccurate rounds with a a short range. This by far they crappiest piece of tech conceived for military combat, perhaps ever!

The fact that CCP thought of the Heavy, and purposely made it OP shows they didn't know what they were doing in the first place.
Now, its nerfed to the point of useless, unless you switch out the HMG with a Duvolle.


What's the point of running Heavy? A Gallente has the same amount of HP, is faster, and can use Equipment...

The HMG itself is actually fine. The problem is the lag. Within 30m, nothing should survive an HMG for longer than .70 seconds... but of course, the math doesn't add up because of lag and slow software...

take it slow, if CCP buffs heavys or scouts to much, they'll be OP!

I'd say, make the HMG have AR range and keep its dispersion, that way you'll be able to take on assaults at 40M then dispersion makes it more of an area of denial weapon at 40+M