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Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1212	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:22:00 - [1] - Quote Once again they somehow managed to make a SP event a massive grind. Instead of just triple all active SP they've only tripled the 1 WP = 1 SP part. CCP Eterne wrote: Passive battle SP is not increased, it's only active battle SP that is increased. Link For information, there's two parts to active SP: 1: There's the 1 WP = 1 SP part as outlined above. This part will be tripled. 2: Then there's the 1 second in battle = 5 SP part. This part will NOT be tripled, and funnily enough this part is where the majority of your active SP comes from. When does CCP learn from their mistakes? Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 625	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:23:00 - [2] - Quote You gotta be kidding me. Current Game State: Grenadier 514
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 533	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:27:00 - [3] - Quote This will be the great grindfest of our generation. Save us CCP, bring us triple in-battle passive SP, PLEASE!
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 217	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:28:00 - [4] - Quote I would love a week of AFK triple SP farmers who sit in the MCC getting triple SP for nothing. Great idea! Make it happen CCP!
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 366	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:28:00 - [5] - Quote I knew CCP would screw us over on this one, particularly when they failed to clarify after several requests on the initial thread.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 311	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:29:00 - [6] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Once again they somehow managed to make a SP event a massive grind. Instead of just triple all active SP they've only tripled the 1 WP = 1 SP part. CCP Eterne wrote: Passive battle SP is not increased, it's only active battle SP that is increased. Link For information, there's two parts to active SP: 1: There's the 1 WP = 1 SP part as outlined above. This part will be tripled. 2: Then there's the 1 second in battle = 5 SP part. This part will NOT be tripled, and funnily enough this part is where the majority of your active SP comes from. When does CCP learn from their mistakes? The bolded part is known as Passive SP gained in battle. LOL... The community has been demanding that those SP not be awarded, as it causes people to AFK. Where have you been?? CCP has actually done this one right for a change. Get with the program.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 534	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:32:00 - [7] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Once again they somehow managed to make a SP event a massive grind. Instead of just triple all active SP they've only tripled the 1 WP = 1 SP part. CCP Eterne wrote: Passive battle SP is not increased, it's only active battle SP that is increased. Link For information, there's two parts to active SP: 1: There's the 1 WP = 1 SP part as outlined above. This part will be tripled. 2: Then there's the 1 second in battle = 5 SP part. This part will NOT be tripled, and funnily enough this part is where the majority of your active SP comes from. When does CCP learn from their mistakes? The bolded part is known as Passive SP gained in battle. LOL... The community has been demanding that those SP not be awarded, as it causes people to AFK. Where have you been?? CCP has actually done this one right for a change. Get with the program. You seriously want to play 30+ hours just to cap out? The active bonus should be 15x if there's no bonus passive sp
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 675	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:32:00 - [8] - Quote WP for SP will only be relevant when you get more SP for doing something than not doing something like it is now. You benefit from not playing Dust 514. The only reason people are against meta-based matchmaking is, well, they're too bad to fight anything but mlt. Scrubs.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1213	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:34:00 - [9] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: The bolded part is known as Passive SP gained in battle. LOL... The community has been demanding that those SP not be awarded, as it causes people to AFK. Where have you been?? CCP has actually done this one right for a change. Get with the program. You're wrong on all accounts. They have a "working" anti-AFK system in place (well they really don't, so you're right about that). Instead of triple the passive part they could just increase the active part even more so that it would actually BE a triple SP event. What I mean is: 1 second in battle = 5 SP - x1 mulitplier (normal rate). 1 WP = 1 SP - x6 multiplier. That would be closer to a triple SP event. The current one isn't even a double SP event. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 817	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:35:00 - [10] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Once again they somehow managed to make a SP event a massive grind. Instead of just triple all active SP they've only tripled the 1 WP = 1 SP part. CCP Eterne wrote: Passive battle SP is not increased, it's only active battle SP that is increased. Link For information, there's two parts to active SP: 1: There's the 1 WP = 1 SP part as outlined above. This part will be tripled. 2: Then there's the 1 second in battle = 5 SP part. This part will NOT be tripled, and funnily enough this part is where the majority of your active SP comes from. When does CCP learn from their mistakes? The bolded part is known as Passive SP gained in battle. LOL... The community has been demanding that those SP not be awarded, as it causes people to AFK. Where have you been?? CCP has actually done this one right for a change. Get with the program. Really? I'd rather have a couple of players AFK than have to grind for 30 hours. I have school and a job. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.

Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 368	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:39:00 - [11] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: The bolded part is known as Passive SP gained in battle. LOL... The community has been demanding that those SP not be awarded, as it causes people to AFK. Where have you been?? CCP has actually done this one right for a change. Get with the program. Okay, so the legitimate players who don't AFK have to play around 2x as much as normal (or more, depending on how many WP they earn) to hit the cap this week, just so the people who AFK are "punished" by having to AFK for 3x as long? Do you really think AFKers are just sitting at their PS3 watching the killfeed or something? This just means they have to deal with the minor inconvenience of queueing themselves into battles and rubberbanding in the MCC for two days more while doing whatever else they do when they AFK. MAYBE they won't be able to AFK a second or third alt due to the time constraint, but only the most dedicated players would grind out a second or third alt actively under the current tripling system, because we're talking 18ish hours of game time here, per character, and only if you manage to earn 2k-3k WP with each character every game.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1718	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:41:00 - [12] - Quote I'm so sorry to hear they are tripling the gain from actively engaging in battle. It is a truly horrific situation and we should rise up against our masters. Next you'll be telling me they've removed the couch from my quarters and we'll all have to stand up while receiving our passive SP.
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1807	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:42:00 - [13] - Quote ..... -Caldari Achura - One with the Universe -Tac AR Specialist "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers EoN. 1699	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:43:00 - [14] - Quote The logic been thrown around in this thread hurts. U can now play for longer on ur main without hitting the cap yay. Those that are bitching about that why are u still here, and if playing to hit the cap u missed the point of dust "my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Sum1ne Else WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 716	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:46:00 - [15] - Quote So...Im at work, bored, reading the forums. Looking at the new update, everything seems positive. thinks to myself 'wow, ccp could be doing something right, good patch, triple sp this week, activate one of my omega boosters that I paid real world money for, and....WAIT-WHAT!?' C'mon CCP- this is not good. I have sent multiple messages to players in other games to come online for the November events because they seemed great! slow clap Public Relations WJR Its a leopleuradon Charlie a magical leoplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1117	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:46:00 - [16] - Quote I wish they would get rid of all active SP. The game shouldn't be about grinding it should be about being a mercenary and making a name for yourself. The grind mentality takes away from the game and adds nothing. If you want SP then you should have to wait for it and if you want WP and ISK you should have to play. Greed is bad and all this grinding is nothing more than greed. Grinding is bad and should be frowned upon. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1500	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:46:00 - [17] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The bolded part is known as Passive SP gained in battle. LOL... The community has been demanding that those SP not be awarded, as it causes people to AFK. Where have you been?? CCP has actually done this one right for a change. Get with the program. You're wrong on all accounts. They have a "working" anti-AFK system in place (well they really don't, so you're right about that). Instead of triple the passive part they could just increase the active part even more so that it would actually BE a triple SP event. What I mean is: 1 second in battle = 5 SP - x1 mulitplier (normal rate). 1 WP = 1 SP - x6 multiplier. That would be closer to a triple SP event. The current one isn't even a double SP event. You do make a good point in this post.
Canari Elphus Ancient Exiles 786	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:50:00 - [18] - Quote The reason they do this is simple. They want you to have to play more during this event. They use these events for a couple reasons - The more you play, the better the chance to find potential bugs - Its incentive for people to log on and try out the new build. Players who might play here and there might like the new changes and play more often - It boosts there activity numbers I dont like it because I cant play often enough to cap out during these events but I understand why they are doing it. Proud Sponsor of the United Lamp Post Defense Fund. "Protecting Our Skies For A Better Tomorrow" ¯¯¯¦¬¯`GÇó.__Gÿ+
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 818	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:55:00 - [19] - Quote I'm not against a 30+ hour grind because I'm an AFK farmer, I'm against a 30+ hour grind because I have a life. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers EoN. 1699	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:55:00 - [20] - Quote Also my monthly call for passive only SP "my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers

Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1354	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:55:00 - [21] - Quote That means after you cap, you can still earn 3000-4500 sp per match.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1219	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:57:00 - [22] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: That means after you cap, you can still earn 3000-4500 sp per match. Pretty sure the cap is still 1k. At least that's what it usually is in SP events. You just hit those 1k easier/faster. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1168	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:58:00 - [23] - Quote well if you are like me and earn on average 1000-2000 war points this be an additional 3k to 6k sp per match. i'm not going to complain.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 369	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:58:00 - [24] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: That means after you cap, you can still earn 3000-4500 sp per match. Pretty sure the cap is still 1k. At least that's what it usually is in SP events. You just hit those 1k easier/faster. Yep, after cap you'll still max out at either 1000 SP (no booster), 1500 SP (active booster), or 2000 SP (active omega). You'll only need less WP (334 minimum) to reach these numbers.
RAMB0 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:58:00 - [25] - Quote No need to play extra. It is a true 3X event. SP from battle will triple. Lear to read people! " From November 6 to 13, players will earn active Skill Points from battles at three times the normal rate. During the week, your weekly Skill Point cap will be tripled as well. Passive Skill Point gain will remain normal. "
Justice Prevails HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 67	Posted - 2013.11.05 13:59:00 - [26] - Quote The sound you hear is the air rushing out of my popped balloon, followed by a heavy sigh. The event thread was pretty funny though. 7 pages of love, then one post clariying the 3xp, and it all went to ****. Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1220	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:01:00 - [27] - Quote RAMB0 wrote: No need to play extra. It is a true 3X event. SP from battle will triple. Lear to read people! " From November 6 to 13, players will earn active Skill Points from battles at three times the normal rate. During the week, your weekly Skill Point cap will be tripled as well. Passive Skill Point gain will remain normal. " Check your facts and come back. I even provided them in the OP for you. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Sum1ne Else WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 717	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:03:00 - [28] - Quote RAMB0 wrote: No need to play extra. It is a true 3X event. SP from battle will triple. Lear to read people! " From November 6 to 13, players will earn active Skill Points from battles at three times the normal rate. During the week, your weekly Skill Point cap will be tripled as well. Passive Skill Point gain will remain normal. " SP cap; clarify. Does this mean the 192,000 will be tripled or does this mean once you have capped the SP cap will be tripled? Sometimes CCP say something and it means another- they have been kryptic before. Public Relations WJR Its a leopleuradon Charlie a magical leoplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
Justice Prevails HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 67	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:04:00 - [29] - Quote RAMB0 wrote: No need to play extra. It is a true 3X event. SP from battle will triple. Lear to read people! " From November 6 to 13, players will earn active Skill Points from battles at three times the normal rate. During the week, your weekly Skill Point cap will be tripled as well. Passive Skill Point gain will remain normal. " Sorry but your wrong. I thought the same thing as you. But it is in the OP and on pg 7 of the event thread. It took them 7 pages to clarify it. Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 476	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:04:00 - [30] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Once again they somehow managed to make a SP event a massive grind. Instead of just triple all active SP they've only tripled the 1 WP = 1 SP part. CCP Eterne wrote: Passive battle SP is not increased, it's only active battle SP that is increased. Link For information, there's two parts to active SP: 1: There's the 1 WP = 1 SP part as outlined above. This part will be tripled. 2: Then there's the 1 second in battle = 5 SP part. This part will NOT be tripled, and funnily enough this part is where the majority of your active SP comes from. When does CCP learn from their mistakes? its a BONUS .....wtf are you complaining for Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

RAMB0 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:07:00 - [31] - Quote Justice Prevails wrote: RAMB0 wrote: No need to play extra. It is a true 3X event. SP from battle will triple. Lear to read people! " From November 6 to 13, players will earn active Skill Points from battles at three times the normal rate. During the week, your weekly Skill Point cap will be tripled as well. Passive Skill Point gain will remain normal. " Sorry but your wrong. I thought the same thing as you. But it is in the OP and on pg 7 of the event thread. It took them 7 pages to clarify it. Wow!
Justice Prevails HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 67	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:09:00 - [32] - Quote Sum1ne Else wrote: RAMB0 wrote: No need to play extra. It is a true 3X event. SP from battle will triple. Lear to read people! " From November 6 to 13, players will earn active Skill Points from battles at three times the normal rate. During the week, your weekly Skill Point cap will be tripled as well. Passive Skill Point gain will remain normal. " SP cap; clarify. Does this mean the 192,000 will be tripled or does this mean once you have capped the SP cap will be tripled? Sometimes CCP say something and it means another- they have been kryptic before. Just look at it this way. The cap will be 570000 sp this week. It will take you 3x longer to cap out if your not a wp scoring machine. Hence, the grind fest. Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 58	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:15:00 - [33] - Quote they did this to discourage afk farming, so stop complaining
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1222	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:18:00 - [34] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: they did this to discourage afk farming, so stop complaining And you don't think people will AFK more since it'll take them longer to hit the cap and they might not have time to actually play more than they already do? Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 543	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:20:00 - [35] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: they did this to encourage afk farming, so stop complaining fixed
Justice Prevails HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 69	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:21:00 - [36] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Once again they somehow managed to make a SP event a massive grind. Instead of just triple all active SP they've only tripled the 1 WP = 1 SP part. CCP Eterne wrote: Passive battle SP is not increased, it's only active battle SP that is increased. Link For information, there's two parts to active SP: 1: There's the 1 WP = 1 SP part as outlined above. This part will be tripled. 2: Then there's the 1 second in battle = 5 SP part. This part will NOT be tripled, and funnily enough this part is where the majority of your active SP comes from. When does CCP learn from their mistakes? its a BONUS .....wtf are you complaining for no one is forcing you to cap out, no one is forcing you to log on every day for a bonus. its all on you. you want to cap out its on you and you can thank ccp for the bonus they are giving you or you can just ignore it and play the same amount you normally play and "oh whats this" bonus sp anyway. no one is forcing you to do anything. just accept the bonus and shut up I think people are still happy with the bonus. But the 3x event in july was awesome. The one in aug was a major grind but ok. The OP in the event thread really made it sound like the July one. You give the a kid a sundae, then take away the fudge and whipped cream, he's not going to be happy. If you just gave him the vanilla ice cream first, he would be happy. Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 118	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:21:00 - [37] - Quote Justice Prevails wrote: The sound you hear is the air rushing out of my popped balloon, followed by a heavy sigh. The event thread was pretty funny though. 7 pages of love, then one post clariying the 3xp, and it all went to ****. Yup. I has a sad. Bollocks. I was gonna get a booster but not sure I'll bother now. Thanks Bendtner92 for raising this though, I'd totally forgotten they did this before and hadn't realised they're doing it again.
Not Sentient Archon Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 59	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:33:00 - [38] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Once again they somehow managed to make a SP event a massive grind. Instead of just triple all active SP they've only tripled the 1 WP = 1 SP part. CCP Eterne wrote: Passive battle SP is not increased, it's only active battle SP that is increased. Link For information, there's two parts to active SP: 1: There's the 1 WP = 1 SP part as outlined above. This part will be tripled. 2: Then there's the 1 second in battle = 5 SP part. This part will NOT be tripled, and funnily enough this part is where the majority of your active SP comes from. When does CCP learn from their mistakes? And this suprises you why? I have been banned so many times by CCP that I re-hea-ly DGAF! I will just create a new account and post more crap!
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 459	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:38:00 - [39] - Quote okay so you actually have to play the game to get the reward this is CCP addressing the AFK problem we had in the past I have not 1 complaint about the november events SOONGäó
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 172	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:40:00 - [40] - Quote I love how entitled people can be about a reason to play a game. If you can't cap out that is fine you don't have too. This event is for those people that cap out on Thursday or Friday, giving them a reason to keep playing afterwards. I have setup a day of grinding fun with my corpmates on Saturday and it is going to be glorious. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels

RAMB0 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:50:00 - [41] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: they did this to discourage afk farming, so stop complaining I actually encourages AFK.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 543	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:52:00 - [42] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: okay so you actually have to play the game to get the reward this is CCP addressing the AFK problem we had in the past I have not 1 complaint about the november events This event is going to CAUSE a afk problem, I know that I'm going to afk a lot of this SP
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1720	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:52:00 - [43] - Quote RAMB0 wrote: knight guard fury wrote: they did this to discourage afk farming, so stop complaining I actually encourages AFK. Your logic confuses and frightens me.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 543	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:54:00 - [44] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: RAMB0 wrote: knight guard fury wrote: they did this to discourage afk farming, so stop complaining I actually encourages AFK. Your logic confuses and frightens me. The event is going to cause a massive amount of afkers, it's not that hard to understand
Hellkeizer The Avutora Complex 180	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:57:00 - [45] - Quote The only thing that makes it a grind is the unbalanced teams Waiting on PvE Balancing without core content is a fail "Don't chu go disrespecting coconut water!" Chakra Attack
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 954	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:01:00 - [46] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Once again they somehow managed to make a SP event a massive grind. Instead of just triple all active SP they've only tripled the 1 WP = 1 SP part. CCP Eterne wrote: Passive battle SP is not increased, it's only active battle SP that is increased. Link For information, there's two parts to active SP: 1: There's the 1 WP = 1 SP part as outlined above. This part will be tripled. 2: Then there's the 1 second in battle = 5 SP part. This part will NOT be tripled, and funnily enough this part is where the majority of your active SP comes from. When does CCP learn from their mistakes? Sorry that I was wrong. I thought they understood the rage that came from the last triple. My stand point comes from the fact that I buy a booster, if I don't cap out I get the feeling of losing money if I'm not getting all that sp. Thats a bad feeling. The July event was great, it was a true triple event, everything tripled, it didn't take additional hour over the standard cap to reach and all were happy. The removal only removes an additional benefit to those actively playing not the afk minority of the game. The game makes you play enough to cap about, about as much as a part time job. The grind effect is something we all want to see eliminated, whether is through rollover sp or some other system. CCP has a ways to go to make this grind feeling go away, I for one don't even want to have to think about a cap again, if I'm not on, it will be there when I get back. GÇá Havok Core - Closed Beta Corp - Accepting Applications Here GÇá CEO // [email protected]
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1150	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:10:00 - [47] - Quote Its basically an endless grind, even if you pass the cap, wp sp will be tripled. Missing it won't be so bad after all "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1609	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:11:00 - [48] - Quote I have to play to cap out?
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 954	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:12:00 - [49] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I have to play to cap out? Not if your an AFKer just afk a bit longer is all. GÇá Havok Core - Closed Beta Corp - Accepting Applications Here GÇá CEO // [email protected]
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 543	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:13:00 - [50] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I have to play to cap out? No, you can AFK

Justice Prevails HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 69	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:15:00 - [51] - Quote It will encourage AFKing in some form or another. It will be pubstomping all week instead of the first couple days. If you thought uplink spam was bad before, just wait. ( I believe this causes lag, not sure) Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
843 Epidemic 388	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:17:00 - [52] - Quote CCP's cute 'lil plan to get players to stop playing BF4 :') Good luck with that one. 843-BANE Director // Ranking Officer // BurgezzE.T.F Contact me here
Michael Epic The Neutral Zone 131	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:19:00 - [53] - Quote How about we just be grateful that they are offering bonus anything? Show a little class, show a little grace and just enjoy the bonus event. All of you ungrateful half-wit d-bags are ridiculous. I feel like if someone gave you a Maserati you'd b!tch about the color and the tires weren't your brand and you didn't like the interior. Or if someone gave you a sack of money, you'd complain about the material the sack was made of, how it felt in your hand and how ridiculous it is they gave you a sack instead of something you could put in your pocket. That's how petty and ridiculous about 90% of you are. A bunch of f'king crybaby ass little b!tches. I swear to God when I come to this forum I feel like I should be on diaper duty. I'd imagine the CCP employees feel like they're on diaper duty changing all the wah wah babies nappies and dealing with their temper tantrums they don't like the color of the diaper and it has Lightning McQueen instead of Buzz Lightyear. :\|
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 543	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:20:00 - [54] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: How about we just be grateful that they are offering bonus anything? Show a little class, show a little grace and just enjoy the bonus event. All of you ungrateful half-wit d-bags are ridiculous. I feel like if someone gave you a Maserati you'd b!tch about the color and the tires weren't your brand and you didn't like the interior. Or if someone gave you a sack of money, you'd complain about the material the sack was made of, how it felt in your hand and how ridiculous it is they gave you a sack instead of something you could put in your pocket. That's how petty and ridiculous about 90% of you are. A bunch of f'king crybaby ass little b!tches. I swear to God when I come to this forum I feel like I should be on diaper duty. I'd imagine the CCP employees feel like they're on diaper duty changing all the wah wah babies nappies and dealing with their temper tantrums they don't like the color of the diaper and it has Lightning McQueen instead of Buzz Lightyear. :\| Don't worry, I won't be complaining because I will be afking
Justice Prevails HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 70	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:38:00 - [55] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: How about we just be grateful that they are offering bonus anything? Show a little class, show a little grace and just enjoy the bonus event. All of you ungrateful half-wit d-bags are ridiculous. I feel like if someone gave you a Maserati you'd b!tch about the color and the tires weren't your brand and you didn't like the interior. Or if someone gave you a sack of money, you'd complain about the material the sack was made of, how it felt in your hand and how ridiculous it is they gave you a sack instead of something you could put in your pocket. That's how petty and ridiculous about 90% of you are. A bunch of f'king crybaby ass little b!tches. I swear to God when I come to this forum I feel like I should be on diaper duty. I'd imagine the CCP employees feel like they're on diaper duty changing all the wah wah babies nappies and dealing with their temper tantrums they don't like the color of the diaper and it has Lightning McQueen instead of Buzz Lightyear. :\| No, it's more like I was happy with my nice clean Buzz Lightyear diapers and that ***** nanny took them off, then put on a pair of soiled Lightning McQueens. The way their doing this it is just going to 3x the problems everyone's been talking about. Things like uplink spam, pubstomping, and AFKing. I'd rather they not do it at all. Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 821	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:46:00 - [56] - Quote If they completely removed match time SP I'd imagine this thread would turn into a complaint about how AFKers are treated unfairly. Dont you guys have anything else to complain about other than the inability to AFK harder? Players who play get more SP? Thats a surprise.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2394	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:47:00 - [57] - Quote All this angst comes from the fact that our brains are wired to react more strongly to loss than gain. CCP introduced loss two ways, first by implying 3x Passive Active points and letting that impression last for days before killing it, second by the specter of failing to collect all of the prize. The potential failure to collect the whole prize is intensified if you are running boosters, and it's the greatest if you are running the most expensive booster. It doesn't matter if all of this prize is free, it only matters to our risk averse brains that we might lose out on a portion of it. The fact that we measure ourselves against each other and are rather competitive boosts the feeling of loss. You don't want to admit that you failed to cap out when your competitors did. Yes the prize is free, but it is presented in such a way as to frame it as a potential loss. So it is not surprising that people the complaining. It's not childishness, it's simply human nature and CCP could have mitigated part of it.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2973	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:49:00 - [58] - Quote AFK-ing would definitely be the easier route to go than actually playing 30+ hours to cap. The "AFK-fix" was supposed to stop AFK-ing so they wouldn't need to penalize the player base with their SP events. I don't need to be an AFKer for 30 hours of gameplay to cap to be a pain, I just need a life and a job. It makes the event less of a "event" and more of a tedious grind if you want to take advantage of it. As-is, I won't waste a booster or login for this horseshit. It just goes to show they don't listen to the players, and design their events to persuade players to go try Battlefield or CoD.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 416	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:52:00 - [59] - Quote On the one hand, bonus SP, great. As someone who generally makes the cap I am happy they are offering more sp to get. However, on the other hand, I would prefer the original 3x SP event to this version. If you want to worry about the November events then look at the last one. If I remember correctly it is only the proto tier reward that offers you something that you can not buy for Isk on the market. As such the final week is a call, for all those who have proto fits, to put them on and kill. Now you only need to use a proto weapon but those things are expensive and I would prefer to use it with a proto fit to, hopefully, minimise my deaths. So if you do not have a very good AdV fit and proto weapon or a decent proto fit then you will be entering hell week at the end of November as all those vets now have a reason to wear them for the entire week. Proto stomp on steroids here we come.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 319	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:55:00 - [60] - Quote The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't bflieve the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about I'd you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time?

Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 544	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:59:00 - [61] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK
Justice Prevails HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 70	Posted - 2013.11.05 16:07:00 - [62] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Yeah, that would be great. But I think you should put that in the suggestion thread. Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
RAMB0 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.11.05 16:07:00 - [63] - Quote New name for event should be "Triple AFK Event"
Thor McStrut Reckoners 320	Posted - 2013.11.05 16:10:00 - [64] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK You could just AFK no matter what CCP does. So this event changes nothing that isn't already done. How 'bout you play the game, or don't? AFKing gets you nothing. You aren't gathering SP to sell your character, so I'd imagine you're gathering SP to play later. Why not just play now?
Castor Crave DUST University Ivy League 50	Posted - 2013.11.05 16:11:00 - [65] - Quote This encourages people to afk even more =/
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 372	Posted - 2013.11.05 16:21:00 - [66] - Quote CCP should have been up front about this in the beginning, rather than ignoring the questions for clarification in the events thread then suddenly confirming our suspicions the day before the event is going to start.
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 954	Posted - 2013.11.05 16:39:00 - [67] - Quote Skihids wrote: All this angst comes from the fact that our brains are wired to react more strongly to loss than gain. CCP introduced loss two ways, first by implying 3x Passive Active points and letting that impression last for days before killing it, second by the specter of failing to collect all of the prize. The potential failure to collect the whole prize is intensified if you are running boosters, and it's the greatest if you are running the most expensive booster. It doesn't matter if all of this prize is free, it only matters to our risk averse brains that we might lose out on a portion of it. The fact that we measure ourselves against each other and are rather competitive boosts the feeling of loss. You don't want to admit that you failed to cap out when your competitors did. Yes the prize is free, but it is presented in such a way as to frame it as a potential loss. So it is not surprising that people the complaining. It's not childishness, it's simply human nature and CCP could have mitigated part of it. Kuddo Skihids, are you into psychology or something because your post makes a lot of sense. CCP sounds like you need someone on the team with a psychology course or two, you know we are all crazy GÇá Havok Core - Closed Beta Corp - Accepting Applications Here GÇá CEO // [email protected]
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 546	Posted - 2013.11.05 16:46:00 - [68] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK You could just AFK no matter what CCP does. So this event changes nothing that isn't already done. How 'bout you play the game, or don't? AFKing gets you nothing. You aren't gathering SP to sell your character, so I'd imagine you're gathering SP to play later. Why not just play now? Because I'm not going to play 30 hour a week. I play to hit the normal cap but this is rediculus.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2624	Posted - 2013.11.05 16:50:00 - [69] - Quote CCP has done SP events it this way then they did it that way and then some other ways as well, always, somebody is pissing their pants. When it comes to this bitches will cry about it either way so I really don't care. The newer the berry the dumber the juice.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 322	Posted - 2013.11.05 16:56:00 - [70] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK You could just AFK no matter what CCP does. So this event changes nothing that isn't already done. How 'bout you play the game, or don't? AFKing gets you nothing. You aren't gathering SP to sell your character, so I'd imagine you're gathering SP to play later. Why not just play now? Because I'm not going to play 30 hour a week. I play to hit the normal cap but this is rediculus. I'm not going to play 30 hours either. Not only do I not hit the normal cap, but there is no way I'll even come close to hitting this cap. I buy a booster to get that little bit extra that I wouldn't get otherwise. Is it a waste of money? Uh, yeah, it's a video game. It's all a waste, lol. I'm going to use this event to get 300 SP instead of the 100 I normally earn from my WP.

Green Living 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 963	Posted - 2013.11.05 16:58:00 - [71] - Quote AFK PARTY ALL WEEK LONG ON THE OCEANIA SERVERS!
Wombat in combat TeamPlayers EoN. 136	Posted - 2013.11.05 16:59:00 - [72] - Quote Jesus kitten christ, so you're saying we'll have to play 3 times as much this weeks in order to cap out?
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Top Men. 171	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:02:00 - [73] - Quote Green Living wrote: AFK PARTY ALL WEEK LONG ON THE OCEANIA SERVERS!
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Top Men. 171	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:03:00 - [74] - Quote Who's bringing the beanitos and salsa?
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1170	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:05:00 - [75] - Quote Wombat in combat wrote: Jesus kitten christ, so you're saying we'll have to play 3 times as much this weeks in order to cap out? no i'd say it depends on the game mode if you are a fan of skirms odds are you'll be playing a little over double to cap. ambushes will easily be 2.5 doms would be close to 1.6 doms are much more active, points gained happen faster, and the game end quicker. They will likely be the best payout for this event. on the other hand skirms take the longest and tend to pay out the fewest wp. ambushes end very quickly but you don't gain many WP in that amount of time usually.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 296	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:10:00 - [76] - Quote sigh............. Makes me have a sad. This does nothing to prevent AFK farmers. They still get the 3x cap. The only thing it does it make them farm for 60hrs instead of 10. You think this will get rid of AFK farmers....no this will actually do the opposite. Also, everyone tends to go into ambush matches because its faster and you will cap out much faster this way. Skirmish will be dead. Long grind will be long....at least 30hrs that week. This also compounds the issue of high sp players vs low ones. Those who rarely hit cap, can't because of RL commitments. This will only widen the gap further since they are likely to barley utilize the higher ceiling. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Twitch
HAICD Dogs of War Gaming DARKSTAR ARMY 57	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:13:00 - [77] - Quote Crying about extra SP is like crying over a guy that offers you $20 and give you two 10 and not a 20 dollar bill DOWG
bear90211 Nyain San Proficiency V. 40	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:14:00 - [78] - Quote why complaining? only the AFKers are, if they have time to undo that rubber band on their controller and deploy into battle, then they have NO skill what so ever. I cap in a day, ill put on my omega and cap in 2 days and get 2 mill SP within 4 days, AFKers are friggin noobs that should not get ISK or SP, as in if you DONT EVEN GET ANY WP, THEN YOU GET NO ISK OR SP!!, so just GTFO of here you AFKers, or just play the friggin game instead of being a lazy tard that costs the team the game, you make this game no fun when theres 6 of you all AFK in the MCC costing us a victory. Heavies are still squishy to my AR, just 5 rounds into them extra ;D hmm, I want taco's...
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 548	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:20:00 - [79] - Quote HAICD wrote: Crying about extra SP is like crying over a guy that offers you $20 and give you two 10 and not a 20 dollar bill No, it's like a guy who said he would buy you a house a gives you a 5m x 5m shack in a swamp
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 548	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:21:00 - [80] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Green Living wrote: AFK PARTY ALL WEEK LONG ON THE OCEANIA SERVERS!

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1120	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:23:00 - [81] - Quote Brush Master wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Once again they somehow managed to make a SP event a massive grind. Instead of just triple all active SP they've only tripled the 1 WP = 1 SP part. CCP Eterne wrote: Passive battle SP is not increased, it's only active battle SP that is increased. Link For information, there's two parts to active SP: 1: There's the 1 WP = 1 SP part as outlined above. This part will be tripled. 2: Then there's the 1 second in battle = 5 SP part. This part will NOT be tripled, and funnily enough this part is where the majority of your active SP comes from. When does CCP learn from their mistakes? Sorry that I was wrong. I thought they understood the rage that came from the last triple. My stand point comes from the fact that I buy a booster, if I don't cap out I get the feeling of losing money if I'm not getting all that sp. Thats a bad feeling. The July event was great, it was a true triple event, everything tripled, it didn't take additional hour over the standard cap to reach and all were happy. The removal only removes an additional benefit to those actively playing not the afk minority of the game. The game makes you play enough to cap about, about as much as a part time job. The grind effect is something we all want to see eliminated, whether is through rollover sp or some other system. CCP has a ways to go to make this grind feeling go away, I for one don't even want to have to think about a cap again, if I'm not on, it will be there when I get back. Get rid of active SP or only pay out 1/10 of normal active. That's the only way to fix grinding. A roll over cap does nothing to help. People are going to complain and cry no matter what CCP does so they should just turn on the hardcore switch and the give triple SP days one at a time about once every two months. We complain that noobs are so far behind but yet we demand more SP for everything we do. We complain about the grind that no one is forced to do. We complain about everything that they try to do to fix the complaining. Bunch of babies. Turn the game on hard mode and quit trying to placate theses crying players. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Asirius Medaius 625	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:25:00 - [82] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The bolded part is known as Passive SP gained in battle. LOL... The community has been demanding that those SP not be awarded, as it causes people to AFK. Where have you been?? CCP has actually done this one right for a change. Get with the program. Okay, so the legitimate players who don't AFK have to play around 2x as much as normal (or more, depending on how many WP they earn) to hit the cap this week, just so the people who AFK are "punished" by having to AFK for 3x as long? Do you really think AFKers are just sitting at their PS3 watching the killfeed or something? This just means they have to deal with the minor inconvenience of queueing themselves into battles and rubberbanding in the MCC for two days more while doing whatever else they do when they AFK. MAYBE they won't be able to AFK a second or third alt due to the time constraint, but only the most dedicated players would grind out a second or third alt actively under the current tripling system, because we're talking 18ish hours of game time here, per character, and only if you manage to earn 2k-3k WP with each character every game. This guy is right on the money. +1 for well-written post Signature coming soonGäó. [Level 9 Forum Warrior]
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1120	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:27:00 - [83] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK Yeah and they should ban anyone found afking more than once in one day. Ban them or provide a better afk deterrent. Cheaters and crybabies. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 241	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:28:00 - [84] - Quote Asirius Medaius wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The bolded part is known as Passive SP gained in battle. LOL... The community has been demanding that those SP not be awarded, as it causes people to AFK. Where have you been?? CCP has actually done this one right for a change. Get with the program. Okay, so the legitimate players who don't AFK have to play around 2x as much as normal (or more, depending on how many WP they earn) to hit the cap this week, just so the people who AFK are "punished" by having to AFK for 3x as long? Do you really think AFKers are just sitting at their PS3 watching the killfeed or something? This just means they have to deal with the minor inconvenience of queueing themselves into battles and rubberbanding in the MCC for two days more while doing whatever else they do when they AFK. MAYBE they won't be able to AFK a second or third alt due to the time constraint, but only the most dedicated players would grind out a second or third alt actively under the current tripling system, because we're talking 18ish hours of game time here, per character, and only if you manage to earn 2k-3k WP with each character every game. This guy is right on the money. +1 for well-written post QFT. I was planning to binge on dust and cap out my two real characters and an alt. But, it turns out I won't be able to put in 90 hours, or even 60, shocker, so I can only cap one character. I've bought packs on multiple characters and it's almost always feasible for me to cap multiple characters. I was so excited to pop omegas and really work this event, but no. Thanks for punishing a rabid fan, CCP...
bear90211 Nyain San Proficiency V. 40	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:29:00 - [85] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ***** idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK Yeah and they should ban anyone found afking more than once in one day. Ban them or provide a better afk deterrent. Cheaters and crybabies. your point, AFK deterrent, how about, if you get no WP, you get nothing from you AFK session, that will ** off so many noobs >:D Heavies are still squishy to my AR, just 5 rounds into them extra ;D hmm, I want taco's...
Asirius Medaius 625	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:35:00 - [86] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Michael Epic wrote: How about we just be grateful that they are offering bonus anything? Show a little class, show a little grace and just enjoy the bonus event. All of you ungrateful half-wit d-bags are ridiculous. I feel like if someone gave you a Maserati you'd b!tch about the color and the tires weren't your brand and you didn't like the interior. Or if someone gave you a sack of money, you'd complain about the material the sack was made of, how it felt in your hand and how ridiculous it is they gave you a sack instead of something you could put in your pocket. That's how petty and ridiculous about 90% of you are. A bunch of f'king crybaby ass little b!tches. I swear to God when I come to this forum I feel like I should be on diaper duty. I'd imagine the CCP employees feel like they're on diaper duty changing all the wah wah babies nappies and dealing with their temper tantrums they don't like the color of the diaper and it has Lightning McQueen instead of Buzz Lightyear. :\| Don't worry, I won't be complaining because I will be afking You will not be even close to the only one. I know several people in a few corporations that I used to play with a lot, and they all said that a majority of their mates are going to be AFKing as well. Signature coming soonGäó. [Level 9 Forum Warrior]
Asirius Medaius 625	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:43:00 - [87] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK Yeah and they should ban anyone found afking more than once in one day. Ban them or provide a better afk deterrent. Cheaters and crybabies. If you do that, then you will take almost half of the community out. Blame the problem, not the symptom (I hope this doesn't go over your head, since I really hate explaining elementary concepts...). Signature coming soonGäó. [Level 9 Forum Warrior]
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1169	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:44:00 - [88] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Once again they somehow managed to make a SP event a massive grind. Instead of just triple all active SP they've only tripled the 1 WP = 1 SP part. CCP Eterne wrote: Passive battle SP is not increased, it's only active battle SP that is increased. Link For information, there's two parts to active SP: 1: There's the 1 WP = 1 SP part as outlined above. This part will be tripled. 2: Then there's the 1 second in battle = 5 SP part. This part will NOT be tripled, and funnily enough this part is where the majority of your active SP comes from. When does CCP learn from their mistakes? I was going to defend CCP on this one, but after reading the whole post...... This really is pretty crappy. I mean, WP at any given time only make up like 1/7th of the total SP you get in an average domination match. So instead of 7-9k per match will be making around 10-13k I mean, don't get me wrong. Its nice were getting a bonus, but I would have rathered them just give us a 1 week active booster instead of making it sound like an actual triple SP event. At the same time this is a good thing too though because it means AFKers wont be able to grind passively and still get the reward. Idk..... either way it looks like i'll be grinding out as much WP as I possibly can this week. Marston VC, STB director
Nyx Linx Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:45:00 - [89] - Quote In the game it says it's double sp? CCP said triple.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 884	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:48:00 - [90] - Quote They never learn.... "Just another piece of duct tape" Equality Event

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1858	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:54:00 - [91] - Quote I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue. I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 548	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:02:00 - [92] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK Yeah and they should ban anyone found afking more than once in one day. Ban them or provide a better afk deterrent. Cheaters and crybabies. And then half of the dust community would quit
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1121	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:04:00 - [93] - Quote Asirius Medaius wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK Yeah and they should ban anyone found afking more than once in one day. Ban them or provide a better afk deterrent. Cheaters and crybabies. If you do that, then you will take almost half of the community out. Blame the problem, not the symptom (I hope this doesn't go over your head, since I really hate explaining elementary concepts...). The problem is greedy players and complainers nothing else. I guess it is over my head so why don't you explain it to me. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1121	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:06:00 - [94] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK Yeah and they should ban anyone found afking more than once in one day. Ban them or provide a better afk deterrent. Cheaters and crybabies. And then half of the dust community would quit Good. they are not contributing to the game at all by sitting in the MCC and making people mad only to come the forums and either brag about cheating or cry about not being able to cheat enough. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1121	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:08:00 - [95] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue. I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread. What is the issue? People are mad about a bonus. The active SP has only caused problems and created greedy players who cry about everything they get. Bunch of Pu$$ys. My kids complain less. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 548	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:12:00 - [96] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK Yeah and they should ban anyone found afking more than once in one day. Ban them or provide a better afk deterrent. Cheaters and crybabies. And then half of the dust community would quit Good. they are not contributing to the game at all by sitting in the MCC and making people mad only to come the forums and either brag about cheating or cry about not being able to cheat enough. I think you should be banned for suggesting that ccp should assassinate half of the dust community
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 884	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:15:00 - [97] - Quote There is not a real problem with the bonus, the problem is only a "feeling". The only way to make a lot of SP in single match is gain over 2500 wp and you will probabily earn something like 8k SP, without boosters. If you play a good match and you gain around 1000 wp your SP gain will be marginal, you will not gain much more than an AFKer. So, the problem is not with the event itself, the problem is with the feeling and the rewards. "Just another piece of duct tape" Equality Event
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1123	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:20:00 - [98] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: I think you should be banned for suggesting that ccp should assassinate half of the dust community Quit being greedy and self entitled. Why play the game if your are not going to play the game? What good is a player whom doesn't play and basically cheats. Why is smart to reward players for not doing anything but making others mad. Why? Assassinate? Hardly. The players who would quit are just looking for a reason to quit. If you like the game and think it is fun or you like your corp or whatever then you are going to stay because the game is fun to you. Keeping players from cheating and rubbing it others faces should be fixed. It is boosting, cheating, or exploiting the game. What ever you want to call it is still cheating. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Nyx Linx Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:25:00 - [99] - Quote No wp, no triple sp. why would they reward afkers?
Justice Prevails HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 71	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:26:00 - [100] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue. I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread. What is the issue? People are mad about a bonus. The active SP has only caused problems and created greedy players who cry about everything they get. Bunch of Pu$$ys. My kids complain less. You do know that the accrual of sp is the main reason people play this game? Thats why ccp makes money off boosters. I have never afk'd and never plan to, but I'm also not a protostompin wp *****. Thats who this event really benefits. And if your on the other side of the stompin, your 2x screwed because the rest of your team is AFKing. Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1858	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:29:00 - [101] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue. I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread. I take this back AFKers shouldn't get SP either.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1123	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:29:00 - [102] - Quote Nyx Linx wrote: No wp, no triple sp. why would they reward afkers? It is very much like pulling over a speeding car for speeding and then give them a check for cheaper insurance. I could care less about AFKers but when they complain and/or brag about AFKing then it is too much. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1858	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:36:00 - [103] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue. I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread. What is the issue? People are mad about a bonus. The active SP has only caused problems and created greedy players who cry about everything they get. Bunch of Pu$$ys. My kids complain less. I don't think passive or active SP or the grind or anything like that is the issue that people complain about. The issue they are complaining about at the moment is that people don't want to play for 20-30 hours this week to get the bonus. The issue holding the game back at the moment is that there is ZERO incentive to actually play the game. You get SP for AFK and you actually profit much more from an ISK standpoint if you do nothing in matches.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1123	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:37:00 - [104] - Quote Justice Prevails wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue. I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread. What is the issue? People are mad about a bonus. The active SP has only caused problems and created greedy players who cry about everything they get. Bunch of Pu$$ys. My kids complain less. You do know that the accrual of sp is the main reason people play this game? Thats why ccp makes money off boosters. I have never afk'd and never plan to, but I'm also not a protostompin wp *****. Thats who this event really benefits. And if your on the other side of the stompin, your 2x screwed because the rest of your team is AFKing. More SP is a great reason to play a game. I am not telling people how to play the game but it is a slap in the face to "active" players who can't play as often as they like. I had a guy in squad chat bragging about having two ps3 and playing on one and AFKing on another to make ISK to transfer. ISK is too easy to make and SP is too easy to make. This game was supposed to be about shooting people in the face, having fun with you friends and advancing whatever agenda you support. It has turned into a bunch of criers who cheat for what they have and then complain that it isn't enough. I like the boosters - event though I don't use them - and I think that they are good for the game. This event benefits everyone but it shouldn't benefit cheaters. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1123	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:42:00 - [105] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue. I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread. What is the issue? People are mad about a bonus. The active SP has only caused problems and created greedy players who cry about everything they get. Bunch of Pu$$ys. My kids complain less. I don't think passive or active SP or the grind or anything like that is the issue that people complain about. The issue they are complaining about at the moment is that people don't want to play for 20-30 hours this week to get the bonus. The issue holding the game back at the moment is that there is ZERO incentive to actually play the game. You get SP for AFK and you actually profit much more from an ISK standpoint if you do nothing in matches. That is why it is bad and AFKing should be fixed. It is sad that a merc can do better watching TV and pressing a button every few minutes than a person who is actually fighting. The game has always been boring and until more content is released that gives us a feeling of a complete game then it will continue to bore the players. 2 years of solid PvP is old. If I wanted to pvp constantly with the same group of people I would go get a 2 year old copy of COD. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 278	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:44:00 - [106] - Quote Before the last event like this I was capping out nearly every week. I capped out during that event on two characters, one of which was through AFKing(never AFKed before or since - not going to do it again though as the reward wasn't really worth my time). Since the last event I have rarely capped out on even one character(the second being a heavy that hasn't been worth playing). That event wore me out and this one will do the same. This event will lower the amount of time I play Dust overall as it will reduce my enjoyment of the game(I might play more often this week, but after that I will play less than I do right now). In regards to AFKing. extra SP with no additional grind will make everyone happy. AFKing will remain the same as it is right now(only noticeable for a few days after reset). Extra SP with additional grind will make some people happy. AFKing will be far more noticeable as there will be more AFKers online for longer detracting even further from the gaming experience that we already have. AFKing is a problem in the first few days after a reset, with this event it will be a problem for three times as long - basically the entire event.
Justice Prevails HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 71	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:49:00 - [107] - Quote Stile451 wrote: Before the last event like this I was capping out nearly every week. I capped out during that event on two characters, one of which was through AFKing(never AFKed before or since - not going to do it again though as the reward wasn't really worth my time). Since the last event I have rarely capped out on even one character(the second being a heavy that hasn't been worth playing). That event wore me out and this one will do the same. This event will lower the amount of time I play Dust overall as it will reduce my enjoyment of the game(I might play more often this week, but after that I will play less than I do right now). In regards to AFKing. extra SP with no additional grind will make everyone happy. AFKing will remain the same as it is right now(only noticeable for a few days after reset). Extra SP with additional grind will make some people happy. AFKing will be far more noticeable as there will be more AFKers online for longer detracting even further from the gaming experience that we already have. AFKing is a problem in the first few days after a reset, with this event it will be a problem for three times as long - basically the entire event. This. Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1173	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:03:00 - [108] - Quote I won't be capping cuz I'm not going to grind like that lmao no thanks ill get maybe 200k sp then go play kz3 till 1.7 oh wait ill have my ps4 and kzsf bf4 and cod ghosts....waited to long ccp.....ill be waiting on ps4 though
RAMB0 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:05:00 - [109] - Quote If not fixed AFKing will cause the game to fail. It is just too easy to cheat..
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 548	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:14:00 - [110] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: I think you should be banned for suggesting that ccp should assassinate half of the dust community Quit being greedy and self entitled. Why play the game if your are not going to play the game? What good is a player whom doesn't play and basically cheats. Why is smart to reward players for not doing anything but making others mad. Why? Assassinate? Hardly. The players who would quit are just looking for a reason to quit. If you like the game and think it is fun or you like your corp or whatever then you are going to stay because the game is fun to you. Keeping players from cheating and rubbing it others faces should be fixed. It is boosting, cheating, or exploiting the game. What ever you want to call it is still cheating. SP=Power That's why people afk

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1860	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:14:00 - [111] - Quote It is so obvious that it's an issue, but CCP and many of the CPM think that the passive gameplay is okay or not a problem. I had a chat with one of the CPM and he just couldn't understand where I was coming from that a player earns a higher profit from not fighting than those who do. I felt like jamming my head through a wall while talking to him. The incentives or lack thereof are killing the game.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1124	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:19:00 - [112] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: I think you should be banned for suggesting that ccp should assassinate half of the dust community Quit being greedy and self entitled. Why play the game if your are not going to play the game? What good is a player whom doesn't play and basically cheats. Why is smart to reward players for not doing anything but making others mad. Why? Assassinate? Hardly. The players who would quit are just looking for a reason to quit. If you like the game and think it is fun or you like your corp or whatever then you are going to stay because the game is fun to you. Keeping players from cheating and rubbing it others faces should be fixed. It is boosting, cheating, or exploiting the game. What ever you want to call it is still cheating. SP=Power That's why people afk I know why they cheat and it doesn't help the fact that they are cheating. Punish cheaters and reward players not the other way around. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1124	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:23:00 - [113] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: It is so obvious that it's an issue, but CCP and many of the CPM think that the passive gameplay is okay or not a problem. I had a chat with one of the CPM and he just couldn't understand where I was coming from that a player earns a higher profit from not fighting than those who do. I felt like jamming my head through a wall while talking to him. The incentives or lack thereof are killing the game. Incentives or the lack of them isn't what will kill the game. The game is already dead if they don't make it fun and stop exploiters from cheating. Enable FF in MCC after 45 seconds with no penalty and put a timer in the red zone that makes you enter a randomly generated code to stay in the red without being kicked. If you are redlined then the timer doesn't matter because you have already lost. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 548	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:13:00 - [114] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: I think you should be banned for suggesting that ccp should assassinate half of the dust community Quit being greedy and self entitled. Why play the game if your are not going to play the game? What good is a player whom doesn't play and basically cheats. Why is smart to reward players for not doing anything but making others mad. Why? Assassinate? Hardly. The players who would quit are just looking for a reason to quit. If you like the game and think it is fun or you like your corp or whatever then you are going to stay because the game is fun to you. Keeping players from cheating and rubbing it others faces should be fixed. It is boosting, cheating, or exploiting the game. What ever you want to call it is still cheating. SP=Power That's why people afk I know why they cheat and it doesn't help the fact that they are cheating. Punish cheaters and reward players not the other way around. Don't punish players, instead reward them for accually playing. Give better isk and wp for playing.
Scheherazade VII 57	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:21:00 - [115] - Quote 1 question, will we be getting more SP than usual? If the answer is yes, then be grateful! more is better! GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1865	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:40:00 - [116] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: It is so obvious that it's an issue, but CCP and many of the CPM think that the passive gameplay is okay or not a problem. I had a chat with one of the CPM and he just couldn't understand where I was coming from that a player earns a higher profit from not fighting than those who do. I felt like jamming my head through a wall while talking to him. The incentives or lack thereof are killing the game. Incentives or the lack of them isn't what will kill the game. The game is already dead if they don't make it fun and stop exploiters from cheating. Enable FF in MCC after 45 seconds with no penalty and put a timer in the red zone that makes you enter a randomly generated code to stay in the red without being kicked. If you are redlined then the timer doesn't matter because you have already lost. The incentive to AFK is gone if they are not compensated for it. No reason for the other stuff if mere participation inside the battle without any contribution is no longer rewarded.
Canari Elphus Ancient Exiles 798	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:48:00 - [117] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: I think you should be banned for suggesting that ccp should assassinate half of the dust community Quit being greedy and self entitled. Why play the game if your are not going to play the game? What good is a player whom doesn't play and basically cheats. Why is smart to reward players for not doing anything but making others mad. Why? Assassinate? Hardly. The players who would quit are just looking for a reason to quit. If you like the game and think it is fun or you like your corp or whatever then you are going to stay because the game is fun to you. Keeping players from cheating and rubbing it others faces should be fixed. It is boosting, cheating, or exploiting the game. What ever you want to call it is still cheating. SP=Power That's why people afk I know why they cheat and it doesn't help the fact that they are cheating. Punish cheaters and reward players not the other way around. Don't punish players, instead reward them for accually playing. Give better isk and wp for playing. Exactly Punishing players = further reduced player count = worse gameplay experience for everyone = dead game Doing something about AFKing is like trying to treat a symptom instead of the cause. AFK'ing is due to the need to grind Needing to grind is due to the bad mechanics of weekly cap and SP system This current SP promotion makes the grinding even worse which will, in turn, make AFK'ing worse as players will probably AFK while doing other things that they need to in order to possibly cap out this week. Solution - Rollover SP - Instead of having to keep grinding or AFK'ing week after week, players can play when they want to instead of worrying about some arbitrary deadline where their potential SP magically disappears. Proud Sponsor of the United Lamp Post Defense Fund. "Protecting Our Skies For A Better Tomorrow" ¯¯¯¦¬¯`GÇó.__Gÿ+
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 830	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:49:00 - [118] - Quote I play 10+ hours a week to hit my cap now. Don't tell me I should be grateful for the chance to play 30+ hours next week that I don't have. This only rewards people with lots of free time, not necessarily people who devote what time they have to this game. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2398	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:34:00 - [119] - Quote Brush Master wrote: Skihids wrote: All this angst comes from the fact that our brains are wired to react more strongly to loss than gain. CCP introduced loss two ways, first by implying 3x Passive Active points and letting that impression last for days before killing it, second by the specter of failing to collect all of the prize. The potential failure to collect the whole prize is intensified if you are running boosters, and it's the greatest if you are running the most expensive booster. It doesn't matter if all of this prize is free, it only matters to our risk averse brains that we might lose out on a portion of it. The fact that we measure ourselves against each other and are rather competitive boosts the feeling of loss. You don't want to admit that you failed to cap out when your competitors did. Yes the prize is free, but it is presented in such a way as to frame it as a potential loss. So it is not surprising that people the complaining. It's not childishness, it's simply human nature and CCP could have mitigated part of it. Kuddo Skihids, are you into psychology or something because your post makes a lot of sense. CCP sounds like you need someone on the team with a psychology course or two, you know we are all crazy I'm in IT, but I've seen a lot of life and I read widely. I did leave out one other related type of loss, and that's free time. People see this as added requirement to keep up. Never mind that there is no real requirement, it's the underlying impression our brains give us.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 366	Posted - 2013.11.05 22:12:00 - [120] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The bolded part is known as Passive SP gained in battle. LOL... The community has been demanding that those SP not be awarded, as it causes people to AFK. Where have you been?? CCP has actually done this one right for a change. Get with the program. Okay, so the legitimate players who don't AFK have to play around 2x as much as normal (or more, depending on how many WP they earn) to hit the cap this week, just so the people who AFK are "punished" by having to AFK for 3x as long? Do you really think AFKers are just sitting at their PS3 watching the killfeed or something? This just means they have to deal with the minor inconvenience of queueing themselves into battles and rubberbanding in the MCC for two days more while doing whatever else they do when they AFK. MAYBE they won't be able to AFK a second or third alt due to the time constraint, but only the most dedicated players would grind out a second or third alt actively under the current tripling system, because we're talking 18ish hours of game time here, per character, and only if you manage to earn 2k-3k WP with each character every game. The last triple SP event, every match I played had at least three AFK farmers. There were even a few that had at least a full squad AFKing in the MCC, and there was actually one match where out of a full team of sixteen, there were only four of us on the ground doing anything. So yes, it was a significant problem last time. Hopefully this'll fix a good part of it.

Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 368	Posted - 2013.11.05 22:44:00 - [121] - Quote Here's my take on a SP system that has both passive and active. Active SP , and contract ISK pay out, is only awarded for earned WP. No WP earning possible inside the MCC. I know this will hurt low WP earners, myself being one of them, but I'd rather have a whole team participating and actually trying than part of them AFKing. This would allow CCP ot raise, if not eliminate, the weekly SP cap. Passive SP get's boosted by an extra fifty to one-hundred percent. PS: If I had my way, the only rewards for battles would be ISK and salvage with an entirely passive SP system.
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 308	Posted - 2013.11.06 11:26:00 - [122] - Quote Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: PS: If I had my way, the only rewards for battles would be ISK and salvage with an entirely passive SP system. I would be all for it as well, but there is this little problem: For a lot of the people still playing Dust, capping their sp is one of the things keeping them here. Remove active sp, and you remove their reason for playing so many hours. Lower playing population. On the other hand, maybe more newbies would remain in the game if it was not such a grindfest.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1140	Posted - 2013.11.06 12:04:00 - [123] - Quote Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: Here's my take on a SP system that has both passive and active. Active SP , and contract ISK pay out, is only awarded for earned WP. No WP earning possible inside the MCC. I know this will hurt low WP earners, myself being one of them, but I'd rather have a whole team participating and actually trying than part of them AFKing. This would allow CCP ot raise, if not eliminate, the weekly SP cap. Passive SP get's boosted by an extra fifty to one-hundred percent. PS: If I had my way, the only rewards for battles would be ISK and salvage with an entirely passive SP system. My problem with active SP is that it cracks the door open for boosters, exploiters and cheaters. It also encourages people to play for points not to play for fun or for glory. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1140	Posted - 2013.11.06 12:06:00 - [124] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: PS: If I had my way, the only rewards for battles would be ISK and salvage with an entirely passive SP system. I would be all for it as well, but there is this little problem: For a lot of the people still playing Dust, capping their sp is one of the things keeping them here. Remove active sp, and you remove their reason for playing so many hours. Lower playing population. On the other hand, maybe more newbies would remain in the game if it was not such a grindfest. If the only thing keeping the players here is a false sense of accomplishment brought on by grinding then we lost those players a long time ago and they just don't know it. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Acturus Galaxy duna corp 154	Posted - 2013.11.06 12:12:00 - [125] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Once again they somehow managed to make a SP event a massive grind. Instead of just triple all active SP they've only tripled the 1 WP = 1 SP part. CCP Eterne wrote: Passive battle SP is not increased, it's only active battle SP that is increased. Link For information, there's two parts to active SP: 1: There's the 1 WP = 1 SP part as outlined above. This part will be tripled. 2: Then there's the 1 second in battle = 5 SP part. This part will NOT be tripled, and funnily enough this part is where the majority of your active SP comes from. When does CCP learn from their mistakes? The bolded part is known as Passive SP gained in battle. LOL... The community has been demanding that those SP not be awarded, as it causes people to AFK. Where have you been?? CCP has actually done this one right for a change. Get with the program. You seriously want to play 30+ hours just to cap out? The active bonus should be 15x if there's no bonus passive sp Sheesh, who says you have to cap, I have difficulty enough capping the normal limts, I have no intentions on trying to reach the new limit but welcome the additional SP if I somehow manage to play a few extra matches. +1 CCP
Macchi00 LORD-BRITISH 26	Posted - 2013.11.06 12:59:00 - [126] - Quote OMG! I must say this way.


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