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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1858	Posted - 2013.11.05 17:54:00 - [91] - Quote I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue. I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 548	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:02:00 - [92] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK Yeah and they should ban anyone found afking more than once in one day. Ban them or provide a better afk deterrent. Cheaters and crybabies. And then half of the dust community would quit
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1121	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:04:00 - [93] - Quote Asirius Medaius wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK Yeah and they should ban anyone found afking more than once in one day. Ban them or provide a better afk deterrent. Cheaters and crybabies. If you do that, then you will take almost half of the community out. Blame the problem, not the symptom (I hope this doesn't go over your head, since I really hate explaining elementary concepts...). The problem is greedy players and complainers nothing else. I guess it is over my head so why don't you explain it to me. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1121	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:06:00 - [94] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK Yeah and they should ban anyone found afking more than once in one day. Ban them or provide a better afk deterrent. Cheaters and crybabies. And then half of the dust community would quit Good. they are not contributing to the game at all by sitting in the MCC and making people mad only to come the forums and either brag about cheating or cry about not being able to cheat enough. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1121	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:08:00 - [95] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue. I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread. What is the issue? People are mad about a bonus. The active SP has only caused problems and created greedy players who cry about everything they get. Bunch of Pu$$ys. My kids complain less. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 548	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:12:00 - [96] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The idiocy in this thread is incredible. "Whaaaaaa! CCP is forcing me the earn all these SP that they tripled! I can't believe the GRIND! CCP has some nerve FORCING me to play their game!!" How about if you don't like to grind, DON'T? There's a ******* idea! What do you want? A 1/3 SP event, so you can get all the available SP in 1/3 the time? Or I could just AFK Yeah and they should ban anyone found afking more than once in one day. Ban them or provide a better afk deterrent. Cheaters and crybabies. And then half of the dust community would quit Good. they are not contributing to the game at all by sitting in the MCC and making people mad only to come the forums and either brag about cheating or cry about not being able to cheat enough. I think you should be banned for suggesting that ccp should assassinate half of the dust community
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 884	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:15:00 - [97] - Quote There is not a real problem with the bonus, the problem is only a "feeling". The only way to make a lot of SP in single match is gain over 2500 wp and you will probabily earn something like 8k SP, without boosters. If you play a good match and you gain around 1000 wp your SP gain will be marginal, you will not gain much more than an AFKer. So, the problem is not with the event itself, the problem is with the feeling and the rewards. "Just another piece of duct tape" Equality Event
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1123	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:20:00 - [98] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: I think you should be banned for suggesting that ccp should assassinate half of the dust community Quit being greedy and self entitled. Why play the game if your are not going to play the game? What good is a player whom doesn't play and basically cheats. Why is smart to reward players for not doing anything but making others mad. Why? Assassinate? Hardly. The players who would quit are just looking for a reason to quit. If you like the game and think it is fun or you like your corp or whatever then you are going to stay because the game is fun to you. Keeping players from cheating and rubbing it others faces should be fixed. It is boosting, cheating, or exploiting the game. What ever you want to call it is still cheating. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Nyx Linx Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:25:00 - [99] - Quote No wp, no triple sp. why would they reward afkers?
Justice Prevails HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 71	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:26:00 - [100] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue. I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread. What is the issue? People are mad about a bonus. The active SP has only caused problems and created greedy players who cry about everything they get. Bunch of Pu$$ys. My kids complain less. You do know that the accrual of sp is the main reason people play this game? Thats why ccp makes money off boosters. I have never afk'd and never plan to, but I'm also not a protostompin wp *****. Thats who this event really benefits. And if your on the other side of the stompin, your 2x screwed because the rest of your team is AFKing. Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1858	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:29:00 - [101] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue. I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread. I take this back AFKers shouldn't get SP either.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1123	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:29:00 - [102] - Quote Nyx Linx wrote: No wp, no triple sp. why would they reward afkers? It is very much like pulling over a speeding car for speeding and then give them a check for cheaper insurance. I could care less about AFKers but when they complain and/or brag about AFKing then it is too much. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1858	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:36:00 - [103] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue. I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread. What is the issue? People are mad about a bonus. The active SP has only caused problems and created greedy players who cry about everything they get. Bunch of Pu$$ys. My kids complain less. I don't think passive or active SP or the grind or anything like that is the issue that people complain about. The issue they are complaining about at the moment is that people don't want to play for 20-30 hours this week to get the bonus. The issue holding the game back at the moment is that there is ZERO incentive to actually play the game. You get SP for AFK and you actually profit much more from an ISK standpoint if you do nothing in matches.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1123	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:37:00 - [104] - Quote Justice Prevails wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue. I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread. What is the issue? People are mad about a bonus. The active SP has only caused problems and created greedy players who cry about everything they get. Bunch of Pu$$ys. My kids complain less. You do know that the accrual of sp is the main reason people play this game? Thats why ccp makes money off boosters. I have never afk'd and never plan to, but I'm also not a protostompin wp *****. Thats who this event really benefits. And if your on the other side of the stompin, your 2x screwed because the rest of your team is AFKing. More SP is a great reason to play a game. I am not telling people how to play the game but it is a slap in the face to "active" players who can't play as often as they like. I had a guy in squad chat bragging about having two ps3 and playing on one and AFKing on another to make ISK to transfer. ISK is too easy to make and SP is too easy to make. This game was supposed to be about shooting people in the face, having fun with you friends and advancing whatever agenda you support. It has turned into a bunch of criers who cheat for what they have and then complain that it isn't enough. I like the boosters - event though I don't use them - and I think that they are good for the game. This event benefits everyone but it shouldn't benefit cheaters. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1123	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:42:00 - [105] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it's apparent that the removal of Active SP gain comes from Eve players. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring that over here. The SP grind isn't the issue. I wouldn't mind if even AFKers still got SP, the screwed up mechanic is the ISK payout but that's for a different thread. What is the issue? People are mad about a bonus. The active SP has only caused problems and created greedy players who cry about everything they get. Bunch of Pu$$ys. My kids complain less. I don't think passive or active SP or the grind or anything like that is the issue that people complain about. The issue they are complaining about at the moment is that people don't want to play for 20-30 hours this week to get the bonus. The issue holding the game back at the moment is that there is ZERO incentive to actually play the game. You get SP for AFK and you actually profit much more from an ISK standpoint if you do nothing in matches. That is why it is bad and AFKing should be fixed. It is sad that a merc can do better watching TV and pressing a button every few minutes than a person who is actually fighting. The game has always been boring and until more content is released that gives us a feeling of a complete game then it will continue to bore the players. 2 years of solid PvP is old. If I wanted to pvp constantly with the same group of people I would go get a 2 year old copy of COD. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 278	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:44:00 - [106] - Quote Before the last event like this I was capping out nearly every week. I capped out during that event on two characters, one of which was through AFKing(never AFKed before or since - not going to do it again though as the reward wasn't really worth my time). Since the last event I have rarely capped out on even one character(the second being a heavy that hasn't been worth playing). That event wore me out and this one will do the same. This event will lower the amount of time I play Dust overall as it will reduce my enjoyment of the game(I might play more often this week, but after that I will play less than I do right now). In regards to AFKing. extra SP with no additional grind will make everyone happy. AFKing will remain the same as it is right now(only noticeable for a few days after reset). Extra SP with additional grind will make some people happy. AFKing will be far more noticeable as there will be more AFKers online for longer detracting even further from the gaming experience that we already have. AFKing is a problem in the first few days after a reset, with this event it will be a problem for three times as long - basically the entire event.
Justice Prevails HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 71	Posted - 2013.11.05 18:49:00 - [107] - Quote Stile451 wrote: Before the last event like this I was capping out nearly every week. I capped out during that event on two characters, one of which was through AFKing(never AFKed before or since - not going to do it again though as the reward wasn't really worth my time). Since the last event I have rarely capped out on even one character(the second being a heavy that hasn't been worth playing). That event wore me out and this one will do the same. This event will lower the amount of time I play Dust overall as it will reduce my enjoyment of the game(I might play more often this week, but after that I will play less than I do right now). In regards to AFKing. extra SP with no additional grind will make everyone happy. AFKing will remain the same as it is right now(only noticeable for a few days after reset). Extra SP with additional grind will make some people happy. AFKing will be far more noticeable as there will be more AFKers online for longer detracting even further from the gaming experience that we already have. AFKing is a problem in the first few days after a reset, with this event it will be a problem for three times as long - basically the entire event. This. Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1173	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:03:00 - [108] - Quote I won't be capping cuz I'm not going to grind like that lmao no thanks ill get maybe 200k sp then go play kz3 till 1.7 oh wait ill have my ps4 and kzsf bf4 and cod ghosts....waited to long ccp.....ill be waiting on ps4 though
RAMB0 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:05:00 - [109] - Quote If not fixed AFKing will cause the game to fail. It is just too easy to cheat..
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 548	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:14:00 - [110] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: I think you should be banned for suggesting that ccp should assassinate half of the dust community Quit being greedy and self entitled. Why play the game if your are not going to play the game? What good is a player whom doesn't play and basically cheats. Why is smart to reward players for not doing anything but making others mad. Why? Assassinate? Hardly. The players who would quit are just looking for a reason to quit. If you like the game and think it is fun or you like your corp or whatever then you are going to stay because the game is fun to you. Keeping players from cheating and rubbing it others faces should be fixed. It is boosting, cheating, or exploiting the game. What ever you want to call it is still cheating. SP=Power That's why people afk

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1860	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:14:00 - [111] - Quote It is so obvious that it's an issue, but CCP and many of the CPM think that the passive gameplay is okay or not a problem. I had a chat with one of the CPM and he just couldn't understand where I was coming from that a player earns a higher profit from not fighting than those who do. I felt like jamming my head through a wall while talking to him. The incentives or lack thereof are killing the game.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1124	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:19:00 - [112] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: I think you should be banned for suggesting that ccp should assassinate half of the dust community Quit being greedy and self entitled. Why play the game if your are not going to play the game? What good is a player whom doesn't play and basically cheats. Why is smart to reward players for not doing anything but making others mad. Why? Assassinate? Hardly. The players who would quit are just looking for a reason to quit. If you like the game and think it is fun or you like your corp or whatever then you are going to stay because the game is fun to you. Keeping players from cheating and rubbing it others faces should be fixed. It is boosting, cheating, or exploiting the game. What ever you want to call it is still cheating. SP=Power That's why people afk I know why they cheat and it doesn't help the fact that they are cheating. Punish cheaters and reward players not the other way around. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1124	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:23:00 - [113] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: It is so obvious that it's an issue, but CCP and many of the CPM think that the passive gameplay is okay or not a problem. I had a chat with one of the CPM and he just couldn't understand where I was coming from that a player earns a higher profit from not fighting than those who do. I felt like jamming my head through a wall while talking to him. The incentives or lack thereof are killing the game. Incentives or the lack of them isn't what will kill the game. The game is already dead if they don't make it fun and stop exploiters from cheating. Enable FF in MCC after 45 seconds with no penalty and put a timer in the red zone that makes you enter a randomly generated code to stay in the red without being kicked. If you are redlined then the timer doesn't matter because you have already lost. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 548	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:13:00 - [114] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: I think you should be banned for suggesting that ccp should assassinate half of the dust community Quit being greedy and self entitled. Why play the game if your are not going to play the game? What good is a player whom doesn't play and basically cheats. Why is smart to reward players for not doing anything but making others mad. Why? Assassinate? Hardly. The players who would quit are just looking for a reason to quit. If you like the game and think it is fun or you like your corp or whatever then you are going to stay because the game is fun to you. Keeping players from cheating and rubbing it others faces should be fixed. It is boosting, cheating, or exploiting the game. What ever you want to call it is still cheating. SP=Power That's why people afk I know why they cheat and it doesn't help the fact that they are cheating. Punish cheaters and reward players not the other way around. Don't punish players, instead reward them for accually playing. Give better isk and wp for playing.
Scheherazade VII 57	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:21:00 - [115] - Quote 1 question, will we be getting more SP than usual? If the answer is yes, then be grateful! more is better! GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1865	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:40:00 - [116] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: It is so obvious that it's an issue, but CCP and many of the CPM think that the passive gameplay is okay or not a problem. I had a chat with one of the CPM and he just couldn't understand where I was coming from that a player earns a higher profit from not fighting than those who do. I felt like jamming my head through a wall while talking to him. The incentives or lack thereof are killing the game. Incentives or the lack of them isn't what will kill the game. The game is already dead if they don't make it fun and stop exploiters from cheating. Enable FF in MCC after 45 seconds with no penalty and put a timer in the red zone that makes you enter a randomly generated code to stay in the red without being kicked. If you are redlined then the timer doesn't matter because you have already lost. The incentive to AFK is gone if they are not compensated for it. No reason for the other stuff if mere participation inside the battle without any contribution is no longer rewarded.
Canari Elphus Ancient Exiles 798	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:48:00 - [117] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Dexter307 wrote: I think you should be banned for suggesting that ccp should assassinate half of the dust community Quit being greedy and self entitled. Why play the game if your are not going to play the game? What good is a player whom doesn't play and basically cheats. Why is smart to reward players for not doing anything but making others mad. Why? Assassinate? Hardly. The players who would quit are just looking for a reason to quit. If you like the game and think it is fun or you like your corp or whatever then you are going to stay because the game is fun to you. Keeping players from cheating and rubbing it others faces should be fixed. It is boosting, cheating, or exploiting the game. What ever you want to call it is still cheating. SP=Power That's why people afk I know why they cheat and it doesn't help the fact that they are cheating. Punish cheaters and reward players not the other way around. Don't punish players, instead reward them for accually playing. Give better isk and wp for playing. Exactly Punishing players = further reduced player count = worse gameplay experience for everyone = dead game Doing something about AFKing is like trying to treat a symptom instead of the cause. AFK'ing is due to the need to grind Needing to grind is due to the bad mechanics of weekly cap and SP system This current SP promotion makes the grinding even worse which will, in turn, make AFK'ing worse as players will probably AFK while doing other things that they need to in order to possibly cap out this week. Solution - Rollover SP - Instead of having to keep grinding or AFK'ing week after week, players can play when they want to instead of worrying about some arbitrary deadline where their potential SP magically disappears. Proud Sponsor of the United Lamp Post Defense Fund. "Protecting Our Skies For A Better Tomorrow" ¯¯¯¦¬¯`GÇó.__Gÿ+
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 830	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:49:00 - [118] - Quote I play 10+ hours a week to hit my cap now. Don't tell me I should be grateful for the chance to play 30+ hours next week that I don't have. This only rewards people with lots of free time, not necessarily people who devote what time they have to this game. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2398	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:34:00 - [119] - Quote Brush Master wrote: Skihids wrote: All this angst comes from the fact that our brains are wired to react more strongly to loss than gain. CCP introduced loss two ways, first by implying 3x Passive Active points and letting that impression last for days before killing it, second by the specter of failing to collect all of the prize. The potential failure to collect the whole prize is intensified if you are running boosters, and it's the greatest if you are running the most expensive booster. It doesn't matter if all of this prize is free, it only matters to our risk averse brains that we might lose out on a portion of it. The fact that we measure ourselves against each other and are rather competitive boosts the feeling of loss. You don't want to admit that you failed to cap out when your competitors did. Yes the prize is free, but it is presented in such a way as to frame it as a potential loss. So it is not surprising that people the complaining. It's not childishness, it's simply human nature and CCP could have mitigated part of it. Kuddo Skihids, are you into psychology or something because your post makes a lot of sense. CCP sounds like you need someone on the team with a psychology course or two, you know we are all crazy I'm in IT, but I've seen a lot of life and I read widely. I did leave out one other related type of loss, and that's free time. People see this as added requirement to keep up. Never mind that there is no real requirement, it's the underlying impression our brains give us.
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 366	Posted - 2013.11.05 22:12:00 - [120] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: The bolded part is known as Passive SP gained in battle. LOL... The community has been demanding that those SP not be awarded, as it causes people to AFK. Where have you been?? CCP has actually done this one right for a change. Get with the program. Okay, so the legitimate players who don't AFK have to play around 2x as much as normal (or more, depending on how many WP they earn) to hit the cap this week, just so the people who AFK are "punished" by having to AFK for 3x as long? Do you really think AFKers are just sitting at their PS3 watching the killfeed or something? This just means they have to deal with the minor inconvenience of queueing themselves into battles and rubberbanding in the MCC for two days more while doing whatever else they do when they AFK. MAYBE they won't be able to AFK a second or third alt due to the time constraint, but only the most dedicated players would grind out a second or third alt actively under the current tripling system, because we're talking 18ish hours of game time here, per character, and only if you manage to earn 2k-3k WP with each character every game. The last triple SP event, every match I played had at least three AFK farmers. There were even a few that had at least a full squad AFKing in the MCC, and there was actually one match where out of a full team of sixteen, there were only four of us on the ground doing anything. So yes, it was a significant problem last time. Hopefully this'll fix a good part of it.



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