If that isn't enough the most responsible suggestion i've seen so far is to make the forge splash pure EM damage

I believe the forge gun needs to stay as what it is: an anti-material weapon.

It'll be interesting to see what difference the splash radius change makes.

If that isn't enough the most responsible suggestion i've seen so far is to make the forge splash pure EM damage, so it effects shields only. Direct hits would stay the same. This would go a long way towards balancing the forge gun without having to nerf it in its primary role.

It's got nice plausibility/immersion going for it too.

It's not big boy talk brainchild, its an observation of the majority thought that I found ironic to talk about. So if you would kindly just stop thinking about Xerics world for a bit and toughen your resolve instead of knee jerking like you failed the cheerleader try outs.

And for the record, I have experienced PC before.



^That's just a good post right there.

You know what I just realized....
Why in the hek to heavies complain about having only 2 weapons???
They have all of the weapons. True one of the weapons, only they can fit, sucks.
But you have access to every single weapon in the game.

The FG is a sniper rifle that KOs and you don't need to zoom in.

Heavies have exclusives and everything else, not less.

The only part of a heavies life that isn't good is HMGs.

Pretty sure you aren't in PC.

There's a difference. I don't care if people get the high ground in a pub.

Forge guns are one shot direct or 2 shots with splash damage. Snipers can't even get a heavy dead in 2 head shots, not to mention after the first shot they can retreat back 5 feet casue you are forced to shoot up at them making them have cover you cant remove.

I guerss another way to fix those towers would be make them destructible objects that can collapse on people and kill them. This gives the heavies what they want I guess and lets us remove those pesky rooftops if we are committed enough.

Also you have more then 2 weapons. As a matter of fact you can use every damn weapon in the game. Quit your "We only have 2 weapons" BS.

Yeah they have been around but they have very recently become the staple. The game shouldnt be about 1 gun taking care of all your problems. this eliminates teamwork all together becasue you now just need 1 guy to watch a point that cant be killed.

I've been in pc I was in cronos when it was big I dabble every now and again so your argument is invalid mister

Stop crying if you get forged get a sniper rifle done. We heavies have 2 weapons leave us alone.

Sorry, but you have absolutely nothing to support this position. The Forge Gun has always had the same anti-everything ability, even with numerous tweaks and numerous chances to tweak by CCP. It very clearly is meant to be what it is.

I agree it should only be a skillshot anti-infantry weapon, however. The nerf coming in 1.6 is a good change, and we'll see if it needs further nerfing.

And I agree that the biggest problem is rooftops with limited access. On maps where there are multiple ways to get to the roof, Forge Guns can't control the whole field, and they tend to get shot up and dislodged.

The answer isn't sexy, but dropship-only-accessible rooftops need fences around the edges to limit sniping and forging. There should be no part of any map where there is only one way to get up there. It's too defensible, and it's bad game design.

Hilarious that people talk about there's no honor in being a mercenary

But wants honorable war tactics to be used instead of cheap ones.

its a valid strategic move to take the high ground!!

I'll admit... that's kind of a cool idea.

I still don't think single-access roofs are balanced in any way, however.

How? FG shoots a metal slug at 7km/sec. That is gonna affect more than shields I assure you.

Back when flaylock pistols first came out everyone used them. They were the go to weapon. Some people even ran suits with dual flaylocks.

Now there is a new tactic of choice. Rooftop forgeguns. They need to go. rooftops period need to go. no roof snipers, no roof forge guns, no roof lasers. the roofs of every map have become worse then the old manus peak map with its giant mountain. At least with the mountain you could get up there. You cant get up on the towers to take them down because the only way to get up there is via dropship and with rooftop forgers you aren't getting anywhere close to them.

Even the "supposedly" best corps in the game cant win without them (I'm looking at you Ancient Exiles). There are two ways to fix this. The first is to remove the towers all together. This would make all unit fight on ground level or get up in the mountain areas where someone could still technically chase you down on foot. The other option is to change forge guns. There are also 2 ways to fix forge guns. The first is to remove the splash damage entirely. The other is to make it like the swarm launcher. Only effective against vehicles. Change it completely to where it is a charged shot that scrambles electronics making it 100% ineffective against infantry.

The forge gun was never meant to be an anti infantry weapon, just like the flaylock was never meant to replace your main weapon.

Back when flaylock pistols first came out everyone used them. They were the go to weapon. Some people even ran suits with dual flaylocks.

Now there is a new tactic of choice. Rooftop forgeguns. They need to go. rooftops period need to go. no roof snipers, no roof forge guns, no roof lasers. the roofs of every map have become worse then the old manus peak map with its giant mountain. At least with the mountain you could get up there. You cant get up on the towers to take them down because the only way to get up there is via dropship and with rooftop forgers you aren't getting anywhere close to them.

Even the "supposedly" best corps in the game cant win without them (I'm looking at you Ancient Exiles). There are two ways to fix this. The first is to remove the towers all together. This would make all unit fight on ground level or get up in the mountain areas where someone could still technically chase you down on foot. The other option is to change forge guns. There are also 2 ways to fix forge guns. The first is to remove the splash damage entirely. The other is to make it like the swarm launcher. Only effective against vehicles. Change it completely to where it is a charged shot that scrambles electronics making it 100% ineffective against infantry.

The forge gun was never meant to be an anti infantry weapon, just like the flaylock was never meant to replace your main weapon.

People don't like "cheap" tactics because they are effective and difficult to counter. Got news for you...that's how this whole war thing works. You take your guys, the terrain, and your mission into account and organize yourself In a way that gives you the best chance of winning for the least cost.

Forge snipers are an effective and legit tactic and with plenty of ways to counter it. And anyone carrying on abut how bad this is for the game can you tell me you NEVER benefitted from the "cheap" tactic?

Sorry, but you have absolutely nothing to support this position. The Forge Gun has always had the same anti-everything ability, even with numerous tweaks and numerous chances to tweak by CCP. It very clearly is meant to be what it is.

I agree it should only be a skillshot anti-infantry weapon, however. The nerf coming in 1.6 is a good change, and we'll see if it needs further nerfing.

And I agree that the biggest problem is rooftops with limited access. On maps where there are multiple ways to get to the roof, Forge Guns can't control the whole field, and they tend to get shot up and dislodged.

The answer isn't sexy, but dropship-only-accessible rooftops need fences around the edges to limit sniping and forging. There should be no part of any map where there is only one way to get up there. It's too defensible, and it's bad game design.