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Brush Master wrote:

Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:

They need to quickly bring in all the racial suits and bring back the vanity colours from closed beta like the firebrand and the black/gold or pure white caldari suit ect
they were pretty nice and be great to see them again. CCP are making it clear they want BPOs out but the playerbase will soon make it clear they want BPOs IN.

I came up with a system of implementing BPOs into the drone infestation mode.

People have BPOs for one reason, its a free/cheap suit for when they're broke from using proto in PC or FW but since they don't consume anything they 'break' the economy of new eden as its a supply/demand thing
So, Make bpos work in same way as EVE. the stations we live in have factory facilities. To get materials to build the suits/weapons/lavs you go run missions in drone infestation where you're given drone salvage (as well as SP and isk) which can be used to build items from BPOs. Make it so the build time works out at 20 suits per day, 30 weapons per day 5 vehicles per day per BPO. introduce Manufacturing Skill which gives +1 manufacturing job per level (total 5) and Manufacturing Efficiency which increases prodution 10% per level (total 50%) meaning with both at level 5 you could produce 150 dropsuits per day for 'free' when market opens up then obviously we can buy/sell drone materials and/or the suits to new players who want cheap suits in order for us to fund our proto gear for PC/FW. also allow trading of BPOs so it adds another aspect of the game for new players that want to help increase their income. they can aim to buy a bpo and start producing items to help them earn money ingame or to get started

Adding needless Eve type mechanics to dust? I'd rather not. Some sort of very cheap suit or easy to generate over time would most likely be acceptable by most.

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CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 3173	Posted - 2013.10.31 15:31:00 - [1] - Quote The DUST 514 Veteran Pack and the DUST 514 Elite Pack will be retiring from the PlayStation Store on November 5, 2013, after the Uprising 1.6 release goes live. They will remain available for purchase on the PlayStation Store and the Sony Entertainment Network online store in all regions until then. After that, these packs will be gone for good. This is your last chance to secure the coveted permanent Dren and Covenant gear, so stock up now! CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics

Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 315	Posted - 2013.10.31 15:44:00 - [2] - Quote Are they being replaced with anything substantial? Or is it going to be packs on par with the "Tactical" pack? If there will no longer be a pack that gives 2000 Aurum per dollar and active/passive boosters, it's safe to say I'll never be spending any more money on this game.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 115	Posted - 2013.10.31 15:51:00 - [3] - Quote Yeah I didn't really like the new tactical packs or whatever, but of course, with blueprints now gone I'm wondering what will make them worthwhile - perhaps they'll have some combination active/passive/FW boosters included or something. It's true that I always bough them because of the combined booster/aurum/blueprint value...
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 163	Posted - 2013.10.31 16:03:00 - [4] - Quote I was gonna be picking one up at weekend which i may still do. but if the replacements are going to be the W.A.R packs then i think my spending on this game is gonna go waaaaay down. I thought the idea for DUST to be successful is to grow the playerbase? not force it away, between the balls up of the BPO removal and the changes to merc packs most of the vets are gonna just not bother buying them. seeing as AUR is a make-believe currency you generate out of thin air its pretty much all profit the merc packs were successful because they were a great deal in the playerbases eyes whereas these new W.A.R packs..... well, Arn't!
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 548	Posted - 2013.10.31 16:07:00 - [5] - Quote Future cash offering need to be better tailored to the various levels of players that are in the game. These crazy packs of perishable items that span across so many skill sets are widely impractical for most players. Offering several weapons, module and dropsuit options in one package, especially ones that require players to skill into a wide array of skills to even try out goes against the basic principle of skilling deep first and then wider as you lock into a specialization. Different tiers of items need to be offered to appeal to new players and veteran players alike. Although most veteran players are going to interested in strictly cosmetic changes to already existing dropsuits and weapons. But cash pack could be very useful to newer players, to help them experiment with different items before dedicating a lot of skill points into them up front. These items should be Basic level gear so no SP is required. Dropsuit packs and weapons packs, modest in price and quantity are your best bet. Chances are you can sell more at the $5-$25 level than you ever will at the $50-$100 level. Profit through quantity over price point. Charge less, sell more, make more....as opposed to charge more, sell less, make less. Full disclosure on such items is also key. Full fitting breakdowns and skill required should be included for all items, lest players end up paying real cash for items they can never use. In fact, it might just be better to avoid packs that require certain skills altogether. Skill based items should only be available for AUR.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1319	Posted - 2013.10.31 16:12:00 - [6] - Quote So what will they be replaced with? I wanna buy something cool.
xp3ll3d dust The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 92	Posted - 2013.10.31 17:20:00 - [7] - Quote I have spent hundreds of dollars on this game so far, but only on packs that have long term effects. I purchased 5x merc packs. The Elite pack Then the W.A.R. packs were announced, they are just useless disposable/consumable items, so instead I went back and purchased The Veteran pack, just to round out the BPOs that I'd get. I've also had boosters plugged in constantly since closed beta. (as these have long term benefits as SP). The point is I have shunned the tactical packs, etc. as they i just burn through them. Or they are a mishmash of random items that I'm not going to use (weapon pack where I get ALL the base weapons, but I won't use them all, or I'm skilled into higher weapons already). I'm obviously not shy about spending money on this game, but I want PERMANENT changes to my account / character (BPO, permanent item, long term SP/LP gains, etc).
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 319	Posted - 2013.10.31 17:37:00 - [8] - Quote The only consumable item packs I'd see as worthwhile would be advanced suits/weps/equipment with no skill prerequisites. Like an assault pack with advanced assault suits from the four races, plus light weps and advanced grenades, all of which require no skills.
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 941	Posted - 2013.10.31 17:39:00 - [9] - Quote xp3ll3d dust wrote: I have spent hundreds of dollars on this game so far, but only on packs that have long term effects. I purchased 5x merc packs. The Elite pack Then the W.A.R. packs were announced, they are just useless disposable/consumable items, so instead I went back and purchased The Veteran pack, just to round out the BPOs that I'd get. I've also had boosters plugged in constantly since closed beta. (as these have long term benefits as SP). The point is I have shunned the tactical packs, etc. as they i just burn through them. Or they are a mishmash of random items that I'm not going to use (weapon pack where I get ALL the base weapons, but I won't use them all, or I'm skilled into higher weapons already). I'm obviously not shy about spending money on this game, but I want PERMANENT changes to my account / character (BPO, permanent item, long term SP/LP gains, etc). If I had to guess, this would be most of their customer base thats actually buying stuff. I know I would not buy packs for items that have no long term effect. Most of the packs are just silly and an attempt to get those are are pretty wealthy to just splurge for the heck of it. For us normal customers, BPOs and boosters are currently the only thing we are interested in. CCP needs to focus more on customization of suits then these buy these suits because they have a nice design, only then will buying different skins be cool. I guess your doing alright with these new packs or else you wouldn't keep doing it? or maybe not... GÇá Havok Core - Closed Beta Corp - Accepting Applications Here GÇá CEO // [email protected]
Jadu Wen Xer Cloud Consortium 34	Posted - 2013.10.31 17:46:00 - [10] - Quote For a matter of discussion, how much would players pay for "BPO" suit/vehicle skins? GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûäGûæGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûäGûÇGûäGûê GûÆGûêGûäGûäGûä GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûê ? SoonGäó

Eskel Bondfree DUST University Ivy League 157	Posted - 2013.10.31 17:48:00 - [11] - Quote So, when will we finally see an optional subscription offer for Dust similar to that of Planetside 2? One that has a decent price point preferably. With Merc, Veteran, and Elite Packs gone, there is no worthwile offer for investing money into Dust anymore. Raw Aur packs are simply overpriced, and even with a Merc Pack, booster prices are too high when not on special offer. Listen up CCP, stop trying to make me pay 15 bucks a month for a 50% XP boost. You should know very well that a one month subscription for Eve Online costs 3 bucks less! And that does not require me to pay another 15 bucks just to get a boost for the other half of my XP as well (not to mention all the Aur gear you want to sell me on top of that).
Jadek Menaheim WarRavens League of Infamy 190	Posted - 2013.10.31 17:53:00 - [12] - Quote Jadu Wen wrote: For a matter of discussion, how much would players pay for "BPO" suit/vehicle skins? I might go $8 or $10 a skin. Jadu, are you figuring this would be an additional slot in the fitting menu up by your dropsuit or vehicle? [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadu Wen Xer Cloud Consortium 34	Posted - 2013.10.31 17:53:00 - [13] - Quote Yeah something like that. GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûäGûæGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûäGûÇGûäGûê GûÆGûêGûäGûäGûä GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûê ? SoonGäó
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 165	Posted - 2013.10.31 18:07:00 - [14] - Quote They need to quickly bring in all the racial suits and bring back the vanity colours from closed beta like the firebrand and the black/gold or pure white caldari suit ect they were pretty nice and be great to see them again. CCP are making it clear they want BPOs out but the playerbase will soon make it clear they want BPOs IN. I came up with a system of implementing BPOs into the drone infestation mode. People have BPOs for one reason, its a free/cheap suit for when they're broke from using proto in PC or FW but since they don't consume anything they 'break' the economy of new eden as its a supply/demand thing So, Make bpos work in same way as EVE. the stations we live in have factory facilities. To get materials to build the suits/weapons/lavs you go run missions in drone infestation where you're given drone salvage (as well as SP and isk) which can be used to build items from BPOs. Make it so the build time works out at 20 suits per day, 30 weapons per day 5 vehicles per day per BPO. introduce Manufacturing Skill which gives +1 manufacturing job per level (total 5) and Manufacturing Efficiency which increases prodution 10% per level (total 50%) meaning with both at level 5 you could produce 150 dropsuits per day for 'free' when market opens up then obviously we can buy/sell drone materials and/or the suits to new players who want cheap suits in order for us to fund our proto gear for PC/FW. also allow trading of BPOs so it adds another aspect of the game for new players that want to help increase their income. they can aim to buy a bpo and start producing items to help them earn money ingame or to get started
Egypt Musk A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 69	Posted - 2013.10.31 18:51:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: The DUST 514 Veteran Pack and the DUST 514 Elite Pack will be retiring from the PlayStation Store on November 5, 2013, after the Uprising 1.6 release goes live. They will remain available for purchase on the PlayStation Store and the Sony Entertainment Network online store in all regions until then. After that, these packs will be gone for good. This is your last chance to secure the coveted permanent Dren and Covenant gear, so stock up now! Hey Logibro, Can you have the number of sales for the game in a dollar value say over a 6 or 9 month period graphed posted. and posted. Starting a month the 3 months before removal of the merc packs until 3 months after of the removal of the veteran and elite packs.. So we can tell you I told we told you so , and show you how your company greed concerning this game is killing its revenue. Secondly when will my monthly Subscription to eve come will boosters for dust because that is they only way your getting another dime out of me before PC 2.0 comes out. Your lucky I have a bond with the guys in my corp because your business practices and value you off a dollar are skewed and obtuse and enough to drive most of your player base away. T Rex of Adetide-Anon's Official pirate radio talk show host & Realtor
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 941	Posted - 2013.10.31 18:53:00 - [16] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: They need to quickly bring in all the racial suits and bring back the vanity colours from closed beta like the firebrand and the black/gold or pure white caldari suit ect they were pretty nice and be great to see them again. CCP are making it clear they want BPOs out but the playerbase will soon make it clear they want BPOs IN. I came up with a system of implementing BPOs into the drone infestation mode. People have BPOs for one reason, its a free/cheap suit for when they're broke from using proto in PC or FW but since they don't consume anything they 'break' the economy of new eden as its a supply/demand thing So, Make bpos work in same way as EVE. the stations we live in have factory facilities. To get materials to build the suits/weapons/lavs you go run missions in drone infestation where you're given drone salvage (as well as SP and isk) which can be used to build items from BPOs. Make it so the build time works out at 20 suits per day, 30 weapons per day 5 vehicles per day per BPO. introduce Manufacturing Skill which gives +1 manufacturing job per level (total 5) and Manufacturing Efficiency which increases prodution 10% per level (total 50%) meaning with both at level 5 you could produce 150 dropsuits per day for 'free' when market opens up then obviously we can buy/sell drone materials and/or the suits to new players who want cheap suits in order for us to fund our proto gear for PC/FW. also allow trading of BPOs so it adds another aspect of the game for new players that want to help increase their income. they can aim to buy a bpo and start producing items to help them earn money ingame or to get started Adding needless Eve type mechanics to dust? I'd rather not. Some sort of very cheap suit or easy to generate over time would most likely be acceptable by most. GÇá Havok Core - Closed Beta Corp - Accepting Applications Here GÇá CEO // [email protected]
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2013.10.31 19:44:00 - [17] - Quote Brush Master wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: They need to quickly bring in all the racial suits and bring back the vanity colours from closed beta like the firebrand and the black/gold or pure white caldari suit ect they were pretty nice and be great to see them again. CCP are making it clear they want BPOs out but the playerbase will soon make it clear they want BPOs IN. I came up with a system of implementing BPOs into the drone infestation mode. People have BPOs for one reason, its a free/cheap suit for when they're broke from using proto in PC or FW but since they don't consume anything they 'break' the economy of new eden as its a supply/demand thing So, Make bpos work in same way as EVE. the stations we live in have factory facilities. To get materials to build the suits/weapons/lavs you go run missions in drone infestation where you're given drone salvage (as well as SP and isk) which can be used to build items from BPOs. Make it so the build time works out at 20 suits per day, 30 weapons per day 5 vehicles per day per BPO. introduce Manufacturing Skill which gives +1 manufacturing job per level (total 5) and Manufacturing Efficiency which increases prodution 10% per level (total 50%) meaning with both at level 5 you could produce 150 dropsuits per day for 'free' when market opens up then obviously we can buy/sell drone materials and/or the suits to new players who want cheap suits in order for us to fund our proto gear for PC/FW. also allow trading of BPOs so it adds another aspect of the game for new players that want to help increase their income. they can aim to buy a bpo and start producing items to help them earn money ingame or to get started Adding needless Eve type mechanics to dust? I'd rather not. Some sort of very cheap suit or easy to generate over time would most likely be acceptable by most. Corps worked, FW is gonna be more like EVE side, PC is based around alliances and corps holding turf in EVE. Like it or not DUST is a part of EVE, the markets will merge and so we'll have to adapt to using things that need building. would you rather build the items yourself or have some eve pilot overpricing them for their gain and not ours? personally i'd rather put 2months SP into a couple industrial skills so i can get a stack of suits for running PvE for a couple hours. not only that but when markets open we're gonna be able to buy boosters with ISK, any extra income just helps mercs along the way
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1207	Posted - 2013.10.31 20:15:00 - [18] - Quote Dammit, I was just about to buy one of these packs but told myself I'd hold off until the end of november cause I can't just go and drop $100 on this game. Even though that pack is definitely the best pack out there, I guess I'll just have to wait for something else to buy something now. Or you know, I could just stop putting money into this game. I'm at a point where boosters really aren't necessary anymore...the only thing I could use is some aurum but that comes cheap for the stuff that I buy with it (colored dropsuits, vehicles/weapons I can't use) List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos! (Insert future link here)
xp3ll3d dust The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 94	Posted - 2013.10.31 20:19:00 - [19] - Quote Brush Master wrote: I guess your doing alright with these new packs or else you wouldn't keep doing it? or maybe not... The Elite pack is brilliant value. The same cost as buying 200,000 AUR, but you get 200,000 AUR AND a whole heap of suit BPOs & a 30 day passive+active booster. Veteran pack is ok, same as buying 100,000AUR but less permanent items.
Khan Hun Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2013.10.31 20:22:00 - [20] - Quote I think it makes sense to leave building things to eve players to start with. If we're honest dust needs a lot of things adding and tweaking and a skill point sync for something that offers no fun gameplay isn't one of them. If anything making BPOs fit into 'slots' is a decent idea though, but rather than put skills and so on in tie it into the faction warfare and attempting to make dust players feel more like they 'belong' in eve. Solution suggestion: 1) BPOs fit into 'manufacturing slots' in a station. These produce 5 items per day each for a standard run BPO, stations have 3 per player as standard. Only usable by the 'active' character on an account. BPOs can have different runs, e.g. a proto-BPO could be made that produces a single suit per day, I'd say thats desirable for real -ú-ú yet balanced. 2 ) Dust players can set a 'home station' that exists in eve. This is where they log in and return after battles. If this causes issues with everyone one place at once, use eves corp-office system where prices for popular systems increases to balance demand and charge a small rent for certain systems. If your a Caldari FW corp, set home as they same base the eve side forces are using. Instant meaningful interaction. 3) Different stations offer different benefits, the first being faction warfare stations when A) you have a certain rep and B) when the system is upgraded by eve players as part of their system upgrade part of FW. First upgrade, increase the number of items produced by BPOs and/or slots a player of a set standing has access to. This allows BPOs to be meaningful because: 1) They can be novelty items with a cool graphic that you can keep using and collect as they'll never expire. 2) They can be of a higher standard because their use is closely limited to X per day depending on the BPO run value, so the gear can be 'better' making them more desirable for real -ú-ú 3) They still offer the safe knowledge that you will always have a few free fits to turn to. It solves the issue with the economy because: 1) They are a fun novelty but that cannot (as now) form the vast majority of a players fitting all the time, people will be forced to use the market more.

Croned B o u n d l e s s. 487	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:07:00 - [21] - Quote Why not sell officer weapons in limited quantities for large amounts of AUR? Or maybe a Salvage Booster that would not only increase your salvage amount but also the likelihood of obtaining Officer Weapons? I'll give you 5 million ISK if you find the word gullible hidden in my post.
Dirks Macker Enlightened Infantries 99	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:17:00 - [22] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Yeah I didn't really like the new tactical packs or whatever, but of course, with blueprints now gone I'm wondering what will make them worthwhile - perhaps they'll have some combination active/passive/FW boosters included or something. It's true that I always bough them because of the combined booster/aurum/blueprint value... If I were to bet, they will introduce some sort of subscription plan in the place of the expensive packs. CCP wants to reduce the effect of BPO's on the consumption/destruction cycle, but they also need money to run the game.
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 282	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:33:00 - [23] - Quote Why does listening to this make it sound soo sad I don't always use the Shotgun, but when I do I use the CRG-3
fawkuima juggalo Eternal Beings 134	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:36:00 - [24] - Quote well i just hope you guys are smart and replace it with more permanent gear.... we alll know thats why no one likes the new packs. you must include something in disposable, i think most players care more aabout cosmetics so its something to include without a pay to win benefit. FIGHT FOR A CAUSE, EVEN IF IT'S NEXT TO YOU.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2912	Posted - 2013.10.31 22:40:00 - [25] - Quote Will you fix the stats on the items before or after you retire them?
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 627	Posted - 2013.10.31 23:01:00 - [26] - Quote I'm going to miss these packs, and BPO's in general. I probably would have eventually bought the Elite pack, but I don't think I can justify the cost at the moment. I'm curious to see what your replacements are, if any. There is a lot of good feedback on potential future options, and for my 2 cents I think that if you could find a way to make player configurable packs, that would go a long way towards holding onto sales, even without BPO's. For instance, If I could buy a $20 pack with my choice of: 1 ADV light weapon (50 copies) requiring no prerequisites, w/ maybe 1 enhanced attribute (more dmg than regular ADV weapons, etc....), and unique color scheme 1 ADV sidearm weapon (same as above) 1 ADV dropsuit (50 copies) w/ no prerequisites and unique color scheme 1 ADV EQ item (50 copies) w/ no prerequisites and some enhanced attributes 1 ADV high slot item (50 copies) w/ no prerequisites 1 ADV low slot item (50 copies) w/ no prerequisites 20k AUR (more would be nice) 30 day active or passive booster Man, it would be so easy to drop $20. Just provide a menu of options for folks and you'd get all sorts of combos..... For example as a player you could go all scout if you were a specialized scout, or mix and match if you had a flexible playstyle, etc., etc.... Maybe more expensive packs could add vehicles, or use PRO gear (requiring ADV skill level), or provide more copies... etc....
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 627	Posted - 2013.10.31 23:03:00 - [27] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: Will you fix the stats on the items before or after you retire them? I forgot to say that this was another reason I didn't buy the Elite pack earlier..... Militia gear is so cheap, why have BPO of standard item if it has militia stats....
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 320	Posted - 2013.10.31 23:05:00 - [28] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: People have BPOs for one reason, its a free/cheap suit for when they're broke from using proto in PC or FW well, you're HALF right. I have them so I can save money to play with (nice) vehicles. They mean that I get to run a vehicle 1 out of 2 games, rather than 1 out of 3 or 4 games.
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 320	Posted - 2013.10.31 23:12:00 - [29] - Quote This all seems to be an effort to morph DUST from a "free to play" game, into a sneaky 'voluntary' pay-money-every-month game. Only problem is.. one of the main reasons I play DUST, is that it is FREE TO PLAY. (even though i have at this point bought multiple Veteran packs for me and family members. Veteran packs... you know.. those things you think arent needed, CCP?) If it were to turn effectivefly into a "pay every month (for consumables)" game... I would instead stop playing dust, and play one of those explicit "pay every month" games. At this point, there are multiple choices I could go with, but I'm spending all my gametime on DUST. BECAUSE IT'S FREE. And I thought that it was worth my time(and money) to invest in stuff that was going to be seemingly permenant, because like EVE, it's going to be around for a long time, in basically the same format. But if that's going to change... then I'll be rather inclined to change my gaming habits, too. And also change my description of DUST to my friends, from a postive one, to a considerably less positive one.
Awesome Pantaloons Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 139	Posted - 2013.11.01 00:50:00 - [30] - Quote I'm glad I bought one of every pack. lol Those BPOs may be very valuable when the player market opens. Then the iskies shall roll in.



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