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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:38:00 -
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Ok, so I've noticed that the Wiyrkomi Swarm Launchers do the exact same damage to targets as the IA Swarm Launcher, yet the IA variant costs nearly 3x as much.
And yeah the IA variant can lock on to two targets at the same time, but the damage is completely halved between the two targets.
So I propose that we either make IAs do double damage when splitting the swarms between two targets, or make the IA variant as cheap as the Wiyrkomis |
The Attorney General
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
1319
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:41:00 -
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Best. Scrub post. Ever. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:41:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1412269#post1412269 |
Evolution-8
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:43:00 -
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Did you know that rats cannot vomit? There are several reasons for this, one of which they have a strong barrier between their stomach and esophagus.
You are now enlightened. |
chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:43:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Ok, so I've noticed that the Wiyrkomi Swarm Launchers do the exact same damage to targets as the IA Swarm Launcher, yet the IA variant costs nearly 3x as much.
And yeah the IA variant can lock on to two targets at the same time, but the damage is completely halved between the two targets.
So I propose that we either make IAs do double damage when splitting the swarms between two targets, or make the IA variant as cheap as the Wiyrkomis i have an idea! how about we make swarms cost as much as my 2 mill tank and make the SP costs 10 mill to unlock it! its meant to supress. if you cant kill tanks in the ****** status that they are currently in, then you really are as crazy as you sound. sorry to break the news to you but swarms have been OP since the darks ages of the murder taxi. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:48:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote:Ok, so I've noticed that the Wiyrkomi Swarm Launchers do the exact same damage to targets as the IA Swarm Launcher, yet the IA variant costs nearly 3x as much.
And yeah the IA variant can lock on to two targets at the same time, but the damage is completely halved between the two targets.
So I propose that we either make IAs do double damage when splitting the swarms between two targets, or make the IA variant as cheap as the Wiyrkomis i have an idea! how about we make swarms cost as much as my 2 mill tank and make the SP costs 10 mill to unlock it! its meant to supress. if you cant kill tanks in the ****** status that they are currently in, then you really are as crazy as you sound. sorry to break the news to you but swarms have been OP since the darks ages of the murder taxi. You clearly weren't here for cromo tanks |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
473
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Posted - 2013.10.24 13:49:00 -
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Atiim wrote:chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote:Ok, so I've noticed that the Wiyrkomi Swarm Launchers do the exact same damage to targets as the IA Swarm Launcher, yet the IA variant costs nearly 3x as much.
And yeah the IA variant can lock on to two targets at the same time, but the damage is completely halved between the two targets.
So I propose that we either make IAs do double damage when splitting the swarms between two targets, or make the IA variant as cheap as the Wiyrkomis i have an idea! how about we make swarms cost as much as my 2 mill tank and make the SP costs 10 mill to unlock it! its meant to supress. if you cant kill tanks in the ****** status that they are currently in, then you really are as crazy as you sound. sorry to break the news to you but swarms have been OP since the darks ages of the murder taxi. You clearly weren't here for cromo tanks And I have no problem killing tanks, it just that IA swarms aren't that cost effective
You clearly weren't specced into AV during Chromo. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
321
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:06:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Atiim wrote:chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote:Ok, so I've noticed that the Wiyrkomi Swarm Launchers do the exact same damage to targets as the IA Swarm Launcher, yet the IA variant costs nearly 3x as much.
And yeah the IA variant can lock on to two targets at the same time, but the damage is completely halved between the two targets.
So I propose that we either make IAs do double damage when splitting the swarms between two targets, or make the IA variant as cheap as the Wiyrkomis i have an idea! how about we make swarms cost as much as my 2 mill tank and make the SP costs 10 mill to unlock it! its meant to supress. if you cant kill tanks in the ****** status that they are currently in, then you really are as crazy as you sound. sorry to break the news to you but swarms have been OP since the darks ages of the murder taxi. You clearly weren't here for cromo tanks And I have no problem killing tanks, it just that IA swarms aren't that cost effective You clearly weren't specced into AV during Chromo. Your right, I wasn't. But I am now. |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
474
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:10:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Atiim wrote:chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote:Ok, so I've noticed that the Wiyrkomi Swarm Launchers do the exact same damage to targets as the IA Swarm Launcher, yet the IA variant costs nearly 3x as much.
And yeah the IA variant can lock on to two targets at the same time, but the damage is completely halved between the two targets.
So I propose that we either make IAs do double damage when splitting the swarms between two targets, or make the IA variant as cheap as the Wiyrkomis i have an idea! how about we make swarms cost as much as my 2 mill tank and make the SP costs 10 mill to unlock it! its meant to supress. if you cant kill tanks in the ****** status that they are currently in, then you really are as crazy as you sound. sorry to break the news to you but swarms have been OP since the darks ages of the murder taxi. You clearly weren't here for cromo tanks And I have no problem killing tanks, it just that IA swarms aren't that cost effective You clearly weren't specced into AV during Chromo. Your right, I wasn't. But I am now.
Congratulations.
The reason Chromo tanks were considered OP was nothing to do with their actual effectiveness, but to do with their perceived effectiveness.
Even in their current nerfed state, you ain't killing a top-shelf Maddy with MLT swarms, unless you have two buddies.
Back then, we had top-shelf tanks, superior to what we have now, AND the benefit of negligible infantry AV. The only real threat was other tanks, in the end.
But instead of actually speccing into AV to kill us, infantry bitched and moaned, and the nerf-hammer gave us a double-tap. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
1504
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:12:00 -
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To keep this thread constructive--
Splitting your DPS is pretty pointless as there aren't a ton of vehicles around. There's just no reason or incentive to use it at this state of the game. |
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
1256
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:24:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1412269#post1412269 This is the best idea for the Assault swarm launcher.
At proto 10 rockets that do 130dmg less per rocket. More chances for them to hit a wall or the floor and great if you have two targets.
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Justice Prevails
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:40:00 -
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Lol. As someone just specced into Av, i am all for anything av getting buffed(needed or not).
But sometimes I think you start these threads just to **** the vehicle guys off and start a ****storm.
I have no problem with that, makes time go by fast at work:)
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CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
1272
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:41:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Atiim wrote:chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote:Ok, so I've noticed that the Wiyrkomi Swarm Launchers do the exact same damage to targets as the IA Swarm Launcher, yet the IA variant costs nearly 3x as much.
And yeah the IA variant can lock on to two targets at the same time, but the damage is completely halved between the two targets.
So I propose that we either make IAs do double damage when splitting the swarms between two targets, or make the IA variant as cheap as the Wiyrkomis i have an idea! how about we make swarms cost as much as my 2 mill tank and make the SP costs 10 mill to unlock it! its meant to supress. if you cant kill tanks in the ****** status that they are currently in, then you really are as crazy as you sound. sorry to break the news to you but swarms have been OP since the darks ages of the murder taxi. You clearly weren't here for cromo tanks And I have no problem killing tanks, it just that IA swarms aren't that cost effective You clearly weren't specced into AV during Chromo. Your right, I wasn't. But I am now.
Lol bad player is bad. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1183
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:43:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Best. Scrub post. Ever.
Yet again I find myself agreeing with the general. This is one of tge daftest ideas I have read and now feel like the op has draind at least 20 points from my iq. Op shold feel bad and biomass himself. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:44:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote:Ok, so I've noticed that the Wiyrkomi Swarm Launchers do the exact same damage to targets as the IA Swarm Launcher, yet the IA variant costs nearly 3x as much.
And yeah the IA variant can lock on to two targets at the same time, but the damage is completely halved between the two targets.
So I propose that we either make IAs do double damage when splitting the swarms between two targets, or make the IA variant as cheap as the Wiyrkomis i have an idea! how about we make swarms cost as much as my 2 mill tank and make the SP costs 10 mill to unlock it! its meant to supress. if you cant kill tanks in the ****** status that they are currently in, then you really are as crazy as you sound. sorry to break the news to you but swarms have been OP since the darks ages of the murder taxi. Hey I have an Idea!
Why don't we stop bringing out 2 Million dollar tanks and just use cheap 400k tanks like me!
But seriously, don't bring out your most expensive crap in PUBs |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:46:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Best. Scrub post. Ever. Me wanting to make something cost effective has absolutely what to do with wether or not I'm a scrub?
SMH dude. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1183
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:48:00 -
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Atiim wrote:chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote:Ok, so I've noticed that the Wiyrkomi Swarm Launchers do the exact same damage to targets as the IA Swarm Launcher, yet the IA variant costs nearly 3x as much.
And yeah the IA variant can lock on to two targets at the same time, but the damage is completely halved between the two targets.
So I propose that we either make IAs do double damage when splitting the swarms between two targets, or make the IA variant as cheap as the Wiyrkomis i have an idea! how about we make swarms cost as much as my 2 mill tank and make the SP costs 10 mill to unlock it! its meant to supress. if you cant kill tanks in the ****** status that they are currently in, then you really are as crazy as you sound. sorry to break the news to you but swarms have been OP since the darks ages of the murder taxi. Hey I have an Idea! Why don't we stop bringing out 2 Million dollar tanks and just use cheap 400k tanks like me! But seriously, don't bring out your most expensive crap in PUBs
I have hylighted your last statment on a thread whare you are asking for a price reduction because they are not cost effective in pubs.
Wow you really do suffer from some form of mental retardation. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2214
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:52:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Congratulations.
The reason Chromo tanks were considered OP was nothing to do with their actual effectiveness, but to do with their perceived effectiveness.
Even in their current nerfed state, you ain't killing a top-shelf Maddy with MLT swarms, unless you have two buddies.
Back then, we had top-shelf tanks, superior to what we have now, AND the benefit of negligible infantry AV. The only real threat was other tanks, in the end.
But instead of actually speccing into AV to kill us, infantry bitched and moaned, and the nerf-hammer gave us a double-tap.
Says AV was negligible back then Blames guy for not spending SP into something that wouldnt work Riiiiight
And since I know its coming yes I was around in Chromo, yes I speced into AV, and you are right even at a high level you would do **** all to a tank and he could park next to a CRU or objective and farm kills is he desired but now that being a tank means you are still mortal like the rest of us its time to cry about it for the past 6 months |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1924
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:53:00 -
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I have too much damn experience dealing with people like this.... wtf.....
*turns his head in disappointment and leaves the room* |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
1256
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:53:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:
Congratulations.
The reason Chromo tanks were considered OP was nothing to do with their actual effectiveness, but to do with their perceived effectiveness.
Even in their current nerfed state, you ain't killing a top-shelf Maddy with MLT swarms, unless you have two buddies.
Back then, we had top-shelf tanks, superior to what we have now, AND the benefit of negligible infantry AV. The only real threat was other tanks, in the end.
But instead of actually speccing into AV to kill us, infantry bitched and moaned, and the nerf-hammer gave us a double-tap.
I had Proto swarms in Crome, I only got it then because tanks were a nuisance. I made sure to spec into right away for uprising.
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The Attorney General
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
1327
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:54:00 -
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Atiim wrote: Me wanting to make something cost effective has absolutely what to do with wether or not I'm a scrub?
SMH dude.
You wanting a buff for swarms, that is the scrub part.
You arguing that swarms are not cost effective just shows how poorly formed your grey matter must be.
All swarms are insanely cost effective. Assault are less so, sure, but they are not cost ineffective. Consider how much ISK they are capable of destroying compared to the cost of the item.
The only thing more cost effective would be a Forge. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
497
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:56:00 -
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i dunno if proto anythings really need to be "cost effective in pubs" but there is what i would consider a valid balance issue here.
wtf GOOD is the ability to lock onto 2 things at once anyway? even the weakest UNtanked LAV isn't gonna die to half a swarm, so what's the point? |
The Attorney General
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
1327
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:56:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:
And since I know its coming yes I was around in Chromo, yes I speced into AV, and you are right even at a high level you would do **** all to a tank and he could park next to a CRU or objective and farm kills is he desired
My Chromosome era prof 5 FG says no.
In an Advanced suit, with advanced grenades, tanks were not ever sitting around farming a crew if I was around.
You either didn't really spec AV, or you are bad. Given the way you cry, betting on number 2. |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
476
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:57:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Congratulations.
The reason Chromo tanks were considered OP was nothing to do with their actual effectiveness, but to do with their perceived effectiveness.
Even in their current nerfed state, you ain't killing a top-shelf Maddy with MLT swarms, unless you have two buddies.
Back then, we had top-shelf tanks, superior to what we have now, AND the benefit of negligible infantry AV. The only real threat was other tanks, in the end.
But instead of actually speccing into AV to kill us, infantry bitched and moaned, and the nerf-hammer gave us a double-tap.
Says AV was negligible back then Blames guy for not spending SP into something that wouldnt work Riiiiight And since I know its coming yes I was around in Chromo, yes I speced into AV, and you are right even at a high level you would do **** all to a tank and he could park next to a CRU or objective and farm kills is he desired but now that being a tank means you are still mortal like the rest of us its time to cry about it for the past 6 months
I thought it was pretty obvious that what I meant was that there were negligible quantities of infantry AV in Chromosome...
No?
My forge guns had no problems with most tanks at ADV; most tankers didn't have a clue how to deal with them. And the best ones... with my ADV forge assisting, the well-fit ones died anyway. Not like they could recall, so you just chased them until they died.
In future, I'll bold the concluding sentence of my post - the one that makes it pretty clear what I'm talking about. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1183
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:59:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Delta 749 wrote:
And since I know its coming yes I was around in Chromo, yes I speced into AV, and you are right even at a high level you would do **** all to a tank and he could park next to a CRU or objective and farm kills is he desired
My Chromosome era prof 5 FG says no. In an Advanced suit, with advanced grenades, tanks were not ever sitting around farming a crew if I was around. You either didn't really spec AV, or you are bad. Given the way you cry, betting on number 2.
Yip I used to run both proto forge and adv swarms back in chrome and I wrecked and solod even the toughest sagis.
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2214
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:06:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Delta 749 wrote:
And since I know its coming yes I was around in Chromo, yes I speced into AV, and you are right even at a high level you would do **** all to a tank and he could park next to a CRU or objective and farm kills is he desired
My Chromosome era prof 5 FG says no. In an Advanced suit, with advanced grenades, tanks were not ever sitting around farming a cru if I was around. You either didn't really spec AV, or you are bad. Given the way you cry, betting on number 2.
DIdnt have a forge gun back then, just a swarm launcher with the same ****** tracking and the old delay made killing anything a real chore but thats why you stack damage mods with a kincat and cardiac regulator and chase them to the end of the earth
Oh speaking of bad, want me to bring up your posts crying about the assault rifle and how it kills you because you wander out into the open, but wait you are supposed to be the heavy thats really good and doesnt get killed so why would you whine about that Hmm contradictions contradictions but please do enlighten me and while you are at it please link me to at least one post of mine saying that X is OP and needs a nerf |
The Attorney General
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
1328
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:07:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:
DIdnt have a forge gun back then, just a swarm launcher with the same ****** tracking and the old delay made killing anything a real chore but thats why you stack damage mods with a kincat and cardiac regulator and chase them to the end of the earth
Oh speaking of bad, want me to bring up your posts crying about the assault rifle and how it kills you because you wander out into the open, but wait you are supposed to be the heavy thats really good and doesnt get killed so why would you whine about that Hmm contradictions contradictions but please do enlighten me and while you are at it please link me to at least one post of mine saying that X is OP and needs a nerf
So you were a scrub in Chomo as well?
Good to know.
Please provide links to said posts. Will get a laugh out of making you look even more dumb than you currently do. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2215
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:09:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Congratulations.
The reason Chromo tanks were considered OP was nothing to do with their actual effectiveness, but to do with their perceived effectiveness.
Even in their current nerfed state, you ain't killing a top-shelf Maddy with MLT swarms, unless you have two buddies.
Back then, we had top-shelf tanks, superior to what we have now, AND the benefit of negligible infantry AV. The only real threat was other tanks, in the end.
But instead of actually speccing into AV to kill us, infantry bitched and moaned, and the nerf-hammer gave us a double-tap.
Says AV was negligible back then Blames guy for not spending SP into something that wouldnt work Riiiiight And since I know its coming yes I was around in Chromo, yes I speced into AV, and you are right even at a high level you would do **** all to a tank and he could park next to a CRU or objective and farm kills is he desired but now that being a tank means you are still mortal like the rest of us its time to cry about it for the past 6 months I thought it was pretty obvious that what I meant was that there were negligible quantities of infantry AV in Chromosome... No? My forge guns had no problems with most tanks at ADV; most tankers didn't have a clue how to deal with them. And the best ones... with my ADV forge assisting, the well-fit ones died anyway. Not like they could recall, so you just chased them until they died. In future, I'll bold the concluding sentence of my post - the one that makes it pretty clear what I'm talking about. The Attorney General wrote:My Chromosome era prof 5 FG says no. Haha, I wish I'd gone that far in Chromo. Got my DAU and rocked out with that instead.
Or you could just say what you mean since "Negligible infantry AV" is open to interpretation when adding quantities does make it perfectly clear what you mean But by all means try to play the snark card and "Durr hurr he doesnt know what I mean" when you leave things open like that, it does not hurt your argument at all if you cant be clear in your meaning |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
739
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:16:00 -
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agree buff assault swarms!
give it dumb fire that releases 200 assault missiles |
The Attorney General
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
1331
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:16:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:
Haha, I wish I'd gone that far in Chromo. Got my DAU and rocked out with that instead.
That was the biggest crush when I fired uprising up for the first time.
No more sky blue DAU, no more sexy Red IAFG. |
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