Ok, so I've noticed that the Wiyrkomi Swarm Launchers do the exact same damage to targets as the IA Swarm Launcher, yet the IA variant costs nearly 3x as much.

And yeah the IA variant can lock on to two targets at the same time, but the damage is completely halved between the two targets.

So I propose that we either make IAs do double damage when splitting the swarms between two targets, or make the IA variant as cheap as the Wiyrkomis

i have an idea! how about we make swarms cost as much as my 2 mill tank and make the SP costs 10 mill to unlock it! its meant to supress. if you cant kill tanks in the ****** status that they are currently in, then you really are as crazy as you sound. sorry to break the news to you but swarms have been OP since the darks ages of the murder taxi.

You clearly weren't here for cromo tanks

And I have no problem killing tanks, it just that IA swarms aren't that cost effective

You clearly weren't specced into AV during Chromo.

Your right, I wasn't. But I am now.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1412269#post1412269

Your right, I wasn't. But I am now.

Best. Scrub post. Ever.

i have an idea! how about we make swarms cost as much as my 2 mill tank and make the SP costs 10 mill to unlock it! its meant to supress. if you cant kill tanks in the ****** status that they are currently in, then you really are as crazy as you sound. sorry to break the news to you but swarms have been OP since the darks ages of the murder taxi.

Best. Scrub post. Ever.

Hey I have an Idea!

Why don't we stop bringing out 2 Million dollar tanks and just use cheap 400k tanks like me!

But seriously, don't bring out your most expensive crap in PUBs

Congratulations.

The reason Chromo tanks were considered OP was nothing to do with their actual effectiveness, but to do with their perceived effectiveness.

Even in their current nerfed state, you ain't killing a top-shelf Maddy with MLT swarms, unless you have two buddies.

Back then, we had top-shelf tanks, superior to what we have now, AND the benefit of negligible infantry AV. The only real threat was other tanks, in the end.

But instead of actually speccing into AV to kill us, infantry bitched and moaned, and the nerf-hammer gave us a double-tap.

Congratulations.

The reason Chromo tanks were considered OP was nothing to do with their actual effectiveness, but to do with their perceived effectiveness.

Even in their current nerfed state, you ain't killing a top-shelf Maddy with MLT swarms, unless you have two buddies.

Back then, we had top-shelf tanks, superior to what we have now, AND the benefit of negligible infantry AV. The only real threat was other tanks, in the end.

But instead of actually speccing into AV to kill us, infantry bitched and moaned, and the nerf-hammer gave us a double-tap.

Me wanting to make something cost effective has absolutely what to do with wether or not I'm a scrub?

SMH dude.

And since I know its coming yes I was around in Chromo, yes I speced into AV, and you are right even at a high level you would do **** all to a tank and he could park next to a CRU or objective and farm kills is he desired

Says AV was negligible back then
Blames guy for not spending SP into something that wouldnt work
Riiiiight

And since I know its coming yes I was around in Chromo, yes I speced into AV, and you are right even at a high level you would do **** all to a tank and he could park next to a CRU or objective and farm kills is he desired but now that being a tank means you are still mortal like the rest of us its time to cry about it for the past 6 months

My Chromosome era prof 5 FG says no.

In an Advanced suit, with advanced grenades, tanks were not ever sitting around farming a crew if I was around.

You either didn't really spec AV, or you are bad. Given the way you cry, betting on number 2.

My Chromosome era prof 5 FG says no.

In an Advanced suit, with advanced grenades, tanks were not ever sitting around farming a cru if I was around.

You either didn't really spec AV, or you are bad. Given the way you cry, betting on number 2.

DIdnt have a forge gun back then, just a swarm launcher with the same ****** tracking and the old delay made killing anything a real chore but thats why you stack damage mods with a kincat and cardiac regulator and chase them to the end of the earth

Oh speaking of bad, want me to bring up your posts crying about the assault rifle and how it kills you because you wander out into the open, but wait you are supposed to be the heavy thats really good and doesnt get killed so why would you whine about that
Hmm contradictions contradictions but please do enlighten me and while you are at it please link me to at least one post of mine saying that X is OP and needs a nerf

I thought it was pretty obvious that what I meant was that there were negligible quantities of infantry AV in Chromosome...

No?

My forge guns had no problems with most tanks at ADV; most tankers didn't have a clue how to deal with them. And the best ones... with my ADV forge assisting, the well-fit ones died anyway. Not like they could recall, so you just chased them until they died.

In future, I'll bold the concluding sentence of my post - the one that makes it pretty clear what I'm talking about.



Haha, I wish I'd gone that far in Chromo. Got my DAU and rocked out with that instead.

Haha, I wish I'd gone that far in Chromo. Got my DAU and rocked out with that instead.

So you were a scrub in Chomo as well?

Good to know.

Please provide links to said posts. Will get a laugh out of making you look even more dumb than you currently do.

Or you could just say what you mean since "Negligible infantry AV" is open to interpretation when adding quantities does make it perfectly clear what you mean
But by all means try to play the snark card and "Durr hurr he doesnt know what I mean" when you leave things open like that, it does not hurt your argument at all if you cant be clear in your meaning

His argument was easily parsed from his comment. You have shown a remarkable ability to misread, or willfully misinterpret posts though, so I can understand how you didn't catch it.

Still waiting on your links to any of my posts actually but lets see, I believe on page three of this you start your usual "AR is OP but I doesnt kill me" BS and then surprise surprise when pressed on it you deviate to just claiming others are bad
Hmm, pretty familiar, guess its your go to when you dont have anything of substance to say

This would have weight were it true and not you trying to ride my nuts
While I appreciate how sincerely you wish to ride my **** I ask that you have an argument of substance and not "ur are teh wrong man" thats 4chan newtard level stuff and I know you can do better

I made no argument concerning you calling something op, just that are a cryer. I have no burden of proof for a subjective argument.

You on the other hand made a specific allegation, one which I do not believe you can support. You are obligated to support your argument, which you have not done. I didn't post on the page you linked, so do your legwork, and provide a specific example where I say I am getting killed by AR's crossing open ground. , then post another link to where I cry about the assault rifle.

You are confusing riding your nuts with laughing at you.

I am doing the latter.

inb4 you call me a hater.

I have hylighted your last statment on a thread whare you are asking for a price reduction because they are not cost effective in pubs.

Wow you really do suffer from some form of mental retardation.

agree buff assault swarms!

give it dumb fire that releases 200 assault missiles

Best. Scrub post. Ever.

You clearly weren't here for cromo tanks

And I have no problem killing tanks, it just that IA swarms aren't that cost effective

My Chromosome era prof 5 FG says no.

In an Advanced suit, with advanced grenades, tanks were not ever sitting around farming a cru if I was around.

You either didn't really spec AV, or you are bad. Given the way you cry, betting on number 2.

You are full of **** buddy.

It took two entire clips, thats 8 FG shots minimum to kill a well fitted tank in chromosome, and that's when we (we, as in people who actually specced into FG's instead of just fuckin lying about it) were having the hit detection issues on client/server sides that made half our shots either deal zero damage, or just the splash damage.

Nice try Attorney, once again spewing out a handful of bullshit.

this isnt chromo. in chromo, nobody had AV. thats why they were such a nightmare. back then if each team had a tanker however, they would just try and rail eachother. no harm done to the scrubs.

now its every tanker sticks to the redline or you deal with a railgunner, tower forger, swarmer, AV grenader, proximity mine and RE stacker, avoiding the stupid blueberry that thinks he can blow up the mcc with a small blaster turret, someone stealing your tank, multiple instalations with op AI, murder taxi suicide AV drivers, other tankers, the RDV blowing up your tank, the terrain glitch that blows up you tank, and dropships.

all you have to deal with is the newberry toting a AR or a militia sniper. tanking is really hard and thats why its fun. dont make it impossible.

You are full of **** buddy.

It took two entire clips, thats 8 FG shots minimum to kill a well fitted tank in chromosome, and that's when we (we, as in people who actually specced into FG's instead of just fuckin lying about it) were having the hit detection issues on client/server sides that made half our shots either deal zero damage, or just the splash damage.

Nice try Attorney, once again spewing out a handful of bullshit.

So I propose that we either make IAs do double damage when splitting the swarms between two targets

sorry bud but you now look a fool
. back in chrome I used to solo sagies and surias with 1 clip of my forges , most tankers that were worth their salt back in chromo like sir meod or Jason pierson or even horizon limit will remember the pain a good forge gunner was , you my friend if you needed 8 shots were doing it wrong

I have too much damn experience dealing with people like this.... wtf.....


*turns his head in disappointment and leaves the room*

You provided me with a good laugh. Kudos.

You clearly weren't here for cromo tanks

And I have no problem killing tanks, it just that IA swarms aren't that cost effective

It's the Attorney Gnereal, what did you expect?

He probably shot at tanks while their hardeners were on and glowing :P
**** man being silly.

It wasn't that hard to make a turn run away in chrome. Me and my bro used to case them around with mlt swrm launchers. They couldn't kill the good tankers but it was pretty hilarious watching guys like Mr Zitro run fro. Two newberries using free suits. One guy should never be able to solo a tank under any circumstances. Two should make a tanker run away, and three should kill him. Killing a tank shouldn't be easy. Idc how our kdr suffers BC u only have a toxin SMG and u can't aim with AA. Or u could use the lolmando.

Chromo tanks will be the Proto tanks of the future. Nothing wrong with that if they cost 1 Million + a pop.

3 AV to kill a tank? ONE TANK?

6 people for 2 Tanks ?
9 people for 3 tanks?
12 people for 4 tanks?
15 people for 5 tanks?

That adds up quickly. In fact I while back I actually made a thread about this.

That's not good reasoning.

Why should you be able to solo infantry? Because you are in a tank?

You should be weak and succeptable to AV because it's AV. THAT'S IT DOING IT'S JOB!

You clearly want tanks to be OP and without any AV resistance whatsoever. Good attempt at trying to "balance " this issue

Man did anyone read the FULL OP?

don't need to, we already know you well enough to know that anything vehicle related, you sound just like djinn lukeboy... are you sure your not his alt?

WHO THE **** IS DJINN LUKEBOY?

I'm tired of being called that by people.

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But seriously, READ the OP.

ahem....:

3 people for one tank.

3 people take down a single tank.
the same 3 people take down 2 more tanks.
the same 3 people take down 4 more tanks.
the same 3 people take down a full squad of tanks.

honestly the only way youd need more than 3 people dealing with us is if your too damn ******** to go after more than one target.

your making it seem like AV are too damn stupid to destroy multiple targets (which I can say for 95% of the community, that's true).

This is assuming that you don't get gunned down in the process by enemy infantry or killed by the other tanks. i can't go into my redzone and do it because that's not effective, and swarms just crash into a wall at long range. This also assumes that the tanks would just sit there and take the punishment.

And don't sell me that BS about being able to defend against 16 people with an SMG

And why should you be able to solo me instead?

hes a dumbass that thinks he knows everything about vehicles even though hes never skilled into them nor has he ever tried to use them. he basically comes here from time to time complaining that he cant solo us with militia AV and complains that we do in fact use teamwork against him but its not the teamwork he wants us to use.

hes a giant contradiction with very little respect form the community anymore.

we say your him because.. well... your posts are exactly like his posts.

hope that answers your question.

Well, I'd say I have much insight on the matter, considering that i also use tanks

I use PRO AV. None of that MLT/STD garbage

And all I said in the OP was that I want IA Swarms to be useful or have a price reduction. READ THE OP!

I just came here to point out a very obvious flaw in your statement, im not here to argue with you on what is logic and what is biased balance. im done arguing about that with biased people like you... from now on im just going to tell you where your statements are flawed.

il only get into debates with people who actually show intelligence here. you do not qualify.

They don't need to be better though, they are plenty effective.

hes saying learn what its like on both sides instead of being a **** and trying to nerf one till its extinct.
in other words

stop being narrow minded

I don't want tanks to be paper

I don't want tanks to be god

But if you would salt that popcorn...

Except we know that STD and ADV (aka Enforcers) are not > than PRO AV. Do not tell some of the best tankers and dropshipper in the game this is not the case (note I am not one of those vehicle users, not by a long shot).

Chromo Tanks however and I remember them very well, were not IMO unbalanced, as back them I was dedicated AV infantry on my "now alt".

If PRO AV in Uprising went up against them today I would think it would be a nice balance.

I said soon to be STD tanks

Reading comprehension:
4.3 (Slipping)

As I believe PRO Tanks should be brought in to match PRO AV.

Yeah, but not everyone seems to realize this.

I would take the ops side. But you have to understand something. One av even if its pro should not be able to solo a tank unless its a milita variant. In order to defeat a tank you must have a hanfull of people with av.

You have to understand something, a handful of people with AV per tank adds up quickly...

Very quickly....

Every time you suit up with a slow *** Swarm Launcher, you are almost certainly guaranteed death from infantry fire.

Get Proto AV Grenades.
Look them in the eyes when you tell them to eat ****.

Then, turn and shoot his support in the ******* face.