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Void Echo Blades of Dust 1930	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:50:00 - [61] - Quote Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Man did anyone read the FULL OP? don't need to, we already know you well enough to know that anything vehicle related, you sound just like djinn lukeboy... are you sure your not his alt? WHO THE **** IS DJINN LUKEBOY? I'm tired of being called that by people. But seriously, READ the OP. hes a dumbass that thinks he knows everything about vehicles even though hes never skilled into them nor has he ever tried to use them. he basically comes here from time to time complaining that he cant solo us with militia AV and complains that we do in fact use teamwork against him but its not the teamwork he wants us to use. hes a giant contradiction with very little respect form the community anymore. we say your him because.. well... your posts are exactly like his posts. hope that answers your question.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 323	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:52:00 - [62] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: It wasn't that hard to make a turn run away in chrome. Me and my bro used to case them around with mlt swrm launchers. They couldn't kill the good tankers but it was pretty hilarious watching guys like Mr Zitro run fro. Two newberries using free suits. One guy should never be able to solo a tank under any circumstances. Two should make a tanker run away, and three should kill him. Killing a tank shouldn't be easy. Idc how our kdr suffers BC u only have a toxin SMG and u can't aim with AA. Or u could use the lolmando. 3 AV to kill a tank? ONE TANK? 6 people for 2 Tanks ? 9 people for 3 tanks? 12 people for 4 tanks? 15 people for 5 tanks? That adds up quickly. In fact I while back I actually made a thread about this. That's not good reasoning. Why should you be able to solo infantry? Because you are in a tank? You should be weak and succeptable to AV because it's AV. THAT'S IT DOING IT'S JOB! You clearly want tanks to be OP and without any AV resistance whatsoever. Good attempt at trying to "balance " this issue ahem....: 3 people for one tank. 3 people take down a single tank. the same 3 people take down 2 more tanks. the same 3 people take down 4 more tanks. the same 3 people take down a full squad of tanks. honestly the only way youd need more than 3 people dealing with us is if your too damn ******** to go after more than one target. your making it seem like AV are too damn stupid to destroy multiple targets (which I can say for 95% of the community, that's true). This is assuming that you don't get gunned down in the process by enemy infantry or killed by the other tanks. i can't go into my redzone and do it because that's not effective, and swarms just crash into a wall at long range. This also assumes that the tanks would just sit there and take the punishment. And don't sell me that BS about being able to defend against 16 people with an SMG And why should you be able to solo me instead?
Void Echo Blades of Dust 1930	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:54:00 - [63] - Quote Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: It wasn't that hard to make a turn run away in chrome. Me and my bro used to case them around with mlt swrm launchers. They couldn't kill the good tankers but it was pretty hilarious watching guys like Mr Zitro run fro. Two newberries using free suits. One guy should never be able to solo a tank under any circumstances. Two should make a tanker run away, and three should kill him. Killing a tank shouldn't be easy. Idc how our kdr suffers BC u only have a toxin SMG and u can't aim with AA. Or u could use the lolmando. 3 AV to kill a tank? ONE TANK? 6 people for 2 Tanks ? 9 people for 3 tanks? 12 people for 4 tanks? 15 people for 5 tanks? That adds up quickly. In fact I while back I actually made a thread about this. That's not good reasoning. Why should you be able to solo infantry? Because you are in a tank? You should be weak and succeptable to AV because it's AV. THAT'S IT DOING IT'S JOB! You clearly want tanks to be OP and without any AV resistance whatsoever. Good attempt at trying to "balance " this issue ahem....: 3 people for one tank. 3 people take down a single tank. the same 3 people take down 2 more tanks. the same 3 people take down 4 more tanks. the same 3 people take down a full squad of tanks. honestly the only way youd need more than 3 people dealing with us is if your too damn ******** to go after more than one target. your making it seem like AV are too damn stupid to destroy multiple targets (which I can say for 95% of the community, that's true). This is assuming that you don't get gunned down in the process by enemy infantry or killed by the other tanks. i can't go into my redzone and do it because that's not effective, and swarms just crash into a wall at long range. This also assumes that the tanks would just sit there and take the punishment. And don't sell me that BS about being able to defend against 16 people with an SMG And why should you be able to solo me instead? I just came here to point out a very obvious flaw in your statement, im not here to argue with you on what is logic and what is biased balance. im done arguing about that with biased people like you... from now on im just going to tell you where your statements are flawed. il only get into debates with people who actually show intelligence here. you do not qualify.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 323	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:51:00 - [64] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Man did anyone read the FULL OP? don't need to, we already know you well enough to know that anything vehicle related, you sound just like djinn lukeboy... are you sure your not his alt? WHO THE **** IS DJINN LUKEBOY? I'm tired of being called that by people. But seriously, READ the OP. hes a dumbass that thinks he knows everything about vehicles even though hes never skilled into them nor has he ever tried to use them. he basically comes here from time to time complaining that he cant solo us with militia AV and complains that we do in fact use teamwork against him but its not the teamwork he wants us to use. hes a giant contradiction with very little respect form the community anymore. we say your him because.. well... your posts are exactly like his posts. hope that answers your question. Well, I'd say I have much insight on the matter, considering that i also use tanks I use PRO AV. None of that MLT/STD garbage And all I said in the OP was that I want IA Swarms to be useful or have a price reduction. READ THE OP!
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3581	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:53:00 - [65] - Quote Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Man did anyone read the FULL OP? don't need to, we already know you well enough to know that anything vehicle related, you sound just like djinn lukeboy... are you sure your not his alt? WHO THE **** IS DJINN LUKEBOY? I'm tired of being called that by people. But seriously, READ the OP. hes a dumbass that thinks he knows everything about vehicles even though hes never skilled into them nor has he ever tried to use them. he basically comes here from time to time complaining that he cant solo us with militia AV and complains that we do in fact use teamwork against him but its not the teamwork he wants us to use. hes a giant contradiction with very little respect form the community anymore. we say your him because.. well... your posts are exactly like his posts. hope that answers your question. Well, I'd say I have much insight on the matter, considering that i also use tanks I use PRO AV. None of that MLT/STD garbage And all I said in the OP was that I want IA Swarms to be useful or have a price reduction. READ THE OP! They don't need to be better though, they are plenty effective.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 323	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:56:00 - [66] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: It wasn't that hard to make a turn run away in chrome. Me and my bro used to case them around with mlt swrm launchers. They couldn't kill the good tankers but it was pretty hilarious watching guys like Mr Zitro run fro. Two newberries using free suits. One guy should never be able to solo a tank under any circumstances. Two should make a tanker run away, and three should kill him. Killing a tank shouldn't be easy. Idc how our kdr suffers BC u only have a toxin SMG and u can't aim with AA. Or u could use the lolmando. 3 AV to kill a tank? ONE TANK? 6 people for 2 Tanks ? 9 people for 3 tanks? 12 people for 4 tanks? 15 people for 5 tanks? That adds up quickly. In fact I while back I actually made a thread about this. That's not good reasoning. Why should you be able to solo infantry? Because you are in a tank? You should be weak and succeptable to AV because it's AV. THAT'S IT DOING IT'S JOB! You clearly want tanks to be OP and without any AV resistance whatsoever. Good attempt at trying to "balance " this issue ahem....: 3 people for one tank. 3 people take down a single tank. the same 3 people take down 2 more tanks. the same 3 people take down 4 more tanks. the same 3 people take down a full squad of tanks. honestly the only way youd need more than 3 people dealing with us is if your too damn ******** to go after more than one target. your making it seem like AV are too damn stupid to destroy multiple targets (which I can say for 95% of the community, that's true). This is assuming that you don't get gunned down in the process by enemy infantry or killed by the other tanks. i can't go into my redzone and do it because that's not effective, and swarms just crash into a wall at long range. This also assumes that the tanks would just sit there and take the punishment. And don't sell me that BS about being able to defend against 16 people with an SMG And why should you be able to solo me instead? I just came here to point out a very obvious flaw in your statement, im not here to argue with you on what is logic and what is biased balance. im done arguing about that with biased people like you... from now on im just going to tell you where your statements are flawed. il only get into debates with people who actually show intelligence here. you do not qualify. And you aren't biased? You've yet to put my logic to work, and you just say, "STFU you aren't a tanker" because I side with AV. And now you call me biased? Take a good look at yourself in the mirror dude.
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 42	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:00:00 - [67] - Quote hes saying learn what its like on both sides instead of being a **** and trying to nerf one till its extinct. in other words stop being narrow minded
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 323	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:01:00 - [68] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: don't need to, we already know you well enough to know that anything vehicle related, you sound just like djinn lukeboy... are you sure your not his alt? WHO THE **** IS DJINN LUKEBOY? I'm tired of being called that by people. But seriously, READ the OP. hes a dumbass that thinks he knows everything about vehicles even though hes never skilled into them nor has he ever tried to use them. he basically comes here from time to time complaining that he cant solo us with militia AV and complains that we do in fact use teamwork against him but its not the teamwork he wants us to use. hes a giant contradiction with very little respect form the community anymore. we say your him because.. well... your posts are exactly like his posts. hope that answers your question. Well, I'd say I have much insight on the matter, considering that i also use tanks I use PRO AV. None of that MLT/STD garbage And all I said in the OP was that I want IA Swarms to be useful or have a price reduction. READ THE OP! They don't need to be better though, they are plenty effective. Let's see here: THe Ishokune Assualt Swarm Launcher fires 6 swarms. And splits the swarms between two targets. That means that it is firing 3 basic swarms at each vehicle. I think it could use an extra swarm or two. OR! We could go with the better idea and REDUCE THE COST!
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 482	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:07:00 - [69] - Quote The ishukone swarm really does need a price debuff. its not even better than the wiyrkomi swarm launcher.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 340	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:09:00 - [70] - Quote chase rowland wrote: hes saying learn what its like on both sides instead of being a ** and trying to nerf one till its extinct. in other words stop being narrow minded Atiim wrote:** I don't want tanks to be paper I don't want tanks to be god But if you would salt that popcorn... I've seen both sides of my swarms through my madrugar, and my only problem is that people wan't the PRO AV balanced to match the soon to be basic tanks. If STD Tanks>PRO AV then ADV and PRO tanks will roflstomp everything with no resistance whatsoever. Tanks should either get a buff, or AV should get a nerf NOT BOTH!

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3581	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:19:00 - [71] - Quote Except we know that STD and ADV (aka Enforcers) are not > than PRO AV. Do not tell some of the best tankers and dropshipper in the game this is not the case (note I am not one of those vehicle users, not by a long shot). Chromo Tanks however and I remember them very well, were not IMO unbalanced, as back them I was dedicated AV infantry on my "now alt". If PRO AV in Uprising went up against them today I would think it would be a nice balance. Maddy- 200K ISK Vayu- 1.2KK ISK Surya- Possibly 2KK ISK Not including guns and such is a worth while investment to gain that power, not to mention the inevitable loss when AV takes that away from you. 2KK + Turret+ Modules = What I think a Chromo Tank is worth, now knowing that can be taken down by 3 AVer and or another tank is acceptable I believe. Chromo Tanks were hard as nails, not impossible to kill, not god mode. Just a tough fight.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 340	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:26:00 - [72] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Except we know that STD and ADV (aka Enforcers) are not > than PRO AV. Do not tell some of the best tankers and dropshipper in the game this is not the case (note I am not one of those vehicle users, not by a long shot). Chromo Tanks however and I remember them very well, were not IMO unbalanced, as back them I was dedicated AV infantry on my "now alt". If PRO AV in Uprising went up against them today I would think it would be a nice balance. I said soon to be STD tanks Reading comprehension: 4.3 (Slipping)
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3581	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:28:00 - [73] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Except we know that STD and ADV (aka Enforcers) are not > than PRO AV. Do not tell some of the best tankers and dropshipper in the game this is not the case (note I am not one of those vehicle users, not by a long shot). Chromo Tanks however and I remember them very well, were not IMO unbalanced, as back them I was dedicated AV infantry on my "now alt". If PRO AV in Uprising went up against them today I would think it would be a nice balance. I said soon to be STD tanks Reading comprehension: 4.3 (Slipping) As I believe PRO Tanks should be brought in to match PRO AV.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 340	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:30:00 - [74] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Except we know that STD and ADV (aka Enforcers) are not > than PRO AV. Do not tell some of the best tankers and dropshipper in the game this is not the case (note I am not one of those vehicle users, not by a long shot). Chromo Tanks however and I remember them very well, were not IMO unbalanced, as back them I was dedicated AV infantry on my "now alt". If PRO AV in Uprising went up against them today I would think it would be a nice balance. I said soon to be STD tanks Reading comprehension: 4.3 (Slipping) As I believe PRO Tanks should be brought in to match PRO AV. Yeah, but not everyone seems to realize this.
Hunter Junko Zanzibar Concept 198	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:32:00 - [75] - Quote i'll just leave this here :] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MRmxfLuNto
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3582	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:33:00 - [76] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Except we know that STD and ADV (aka Enforcers) are not > than PRO AV. Do not tell some of the best tankers and dropshipper in the game this is not the case (note I am not one of those vehicle users, not by a long shot). Chromo Tanks however and I remember them very well, were not IMO unbalanced, as back them I was dedicated AV infantry on my "now alt". If PRO AV in Uprising went up against them today I would think it would be a nice balance. I said soon to be STD tanks Reading comprehension: 4.3 (Slipping) As I believe PRO Tanks should be brought in to match PRO AV. Yeah, but not everyone seems to realize this. Okay but here is where you will not like what I have to say. STD AV matches and beats down STD tanks but not that easily. It owns ADV Tanks too, since they were poorly thought out, but ADV AV matches ADV Tanks. PRO AV is tough it easily outclasses anything we have now, but as with the STD tier it should not easily beat down a proto tank.
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 484	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:36:00 - [77] - Quote I would take the ops side. But you have to understand something. One av even if its pro should not be able to solo a tank unless its a milita variant. In order to defeat a tank you must have a hanfull of people with av.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 341	Posted - 2013.10.25 01:21:00 - [78] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: I would take the ops side. But you have to understand something. One av even if its pro should not be able to solo a tank unless its a milita variant. In order to defeat a tank you must have a hanfull of people with av. You have to understand something, a handful of people with AV per tank adds up quickly... Very quickly....
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 44	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:11:00 - [79] - Quote Atiim wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: I would take the ops side. But you have to understand something. One av even if its pro should not be able to solo a tank unless its a milita variant. In order to defeat a tank you must have a hanfull of people with av. You have to understand something, a handful of people with AV per tank adds up quickly... Very quickly.... all it takes is 1 right now. i remember squading up with 2 others and hunting tanks in a LAV. we were unstoppable. if we saw a tank we drive up to it and chunk our nades. never even had to use a swarm. the only time we did was when we saw 3 tanks but we still won. all you need is coordination.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1142	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:12:00 - [80] - Quote don't bother after the next swarm launcher nerf swarms will be rarer then nova knives on the battle field, only way to make use of them now would be to have 3 guys in a proto lav run up to the tank and jump him drive by style....useful weapon indeed....

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1106	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:22:00 - [81] - Quote Every time you suit up with a slow * Swarm Launcher, you are almost certainly guaranteed death from infantry fire. Get Proto AV Grenades. Look them in the eyes when you tell them to eat . Then, turn and shoot his support in the ***** face.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 423	Posted - 2013.10.28 13:05:00 - [82] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Every time you suit up with a slow * Swarm Launcher, you are almost certainly guaranteed death from infantry fire. Get Proto AV Grenades. Look them in the eyes when you tell them to eat . Then, turn and shoot his support in the *** face. Good bro.... Good **..


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