Since Active scanner became what they are today, i cant stop using them, i am addicted to them
They have ruined EVERY other FPS for me.
When ever im playin killzone or Battelfield i automatically press R2 and try to select an Active scanner and it is freaking frustrating not being able to have it anywhere else but in here
sooo...
DAMN YOU ACTIVE SCANNER

Yeah. So many people use it now that it has that WP bonus. Can't say it's a bad thing. Can't say I liked it, either.

They're ruining Dust too.

Lots of FPS games actually have this function.

Resistance 3 and Gotham City Imposters had a thing that actually let you see people through walls.
Most games have a "reveal players on the radar" function.

I'm just surprised that more players don't use dampeners.

The only ones who could afford dampeners are protos, if you're adv/std gallente like me, you need every low slot you can get if you want to survive. Asking me to lose 2 of my only 3 low slots just to bypass a cheap 1 second 360 scan is ******** and pretty embarassing to call that a part of FPS gameplay. It hurts new players more than it does for those who already run proto assault or proto logi.

As far as other games having a scan function, most of them are pretty limited. Battlefield's 3d spotting (similar to the one we have) is only for LOS (line of sight) and have a limited number of uses before it gets locked into cooldown. You cant spot people from 200 meters while hiding in some remote corner of the map hiding behind a giant mountain. Thats not to say how EVERYONE has it built into their UI and theres several countermeasures like a smoke grenade at your feet. CoD also has a scan system but is limited to your radar. Blacklight Retribution has a HRV vision which is basically thermal goggles that can see where everyone in the entire map is but is limited in that they dont stay spotted on screen and that you have literally only a few seconds to get all the information you need before it shuts itself off. Counter strike and team fortressdont have anything like that because valve actually appreciates the skill of using your damn eyes and calling out enemy positions. The rest of the mainstream games are mostly radar and LOS based.

Point being, DUST's active scanning system is retardedly easy to use that most people can just sit on the outskirts of the map hiding behind a wall lolspinning with one hand and spotting literally everyone in the whole map including any pursuers. Its braindead easy and destroys many fundamentals of an FPS game. The OP already demonstrated why its bad for this game in that he rather rely on his scanner than with his own damn eyes.

And lol you played gotham city impostors, I almost felt bad for you.

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Point being, DUST's active scanning system is retardedly easy to use that most people can just sit on the outskirts of the map hiding behind a wall lolspinning with one hand and spotting literally everyone in the whole map including any pursuers. Its braindead easy and destroys many fundamentals of an FPS game. The OP already demonstrated why its bad for this game in that he rather rely on his scanner than with his own damn eyes.

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The only ones who could afford dampeners are protos, if you're adv/std gallente like me, you need every low slot you can get if you want to survive. Asking me to lose 2 of my only 3 low slots just to bypass a cheap 1 second 360 scan is ******** and pretty embarassing to call that a part of FPS gameplay. It hurts new players more than it does for those who already run proto assault or proto logi.

As far as other games having a scan function, most of them are pretty limited. Battlefield's 3d spotting (similar to the one we have) is only for LOS (line of sight) and have a limited number of uses before it gets locked into cooldown. You cant spot people from 200 meters while hiding in some remote corner of the map hiding behind a giant mountain. Thats not to say how EVERYONE has it built into their UI and theres several countermeasures like a smoke grenade at your feet. CoD also has a scan system but is limited to your radar. Blacklight Retribution has a HRV vision which is basically thermal goggles that can see where everyone in the entire map is but is limited in that they dont stay spotted on screen and that you have literally only a few seconds to get all the information you need before it shuts itself off. Counter strike and team fortressdont have anything like that because valve actually appreciates the skill of using your damn eyes and calling out enemy positions. The rest of the mainstream games are mostly radar and LOS based.

Point being, DUST's active scanning system is retardedly easy to use that most people can just sit on the outskirts of the map hiding behind a wall lolspinning with one hand and spotting literally everyone in the whole map including any pursuers. Its braindead easy and destroys many fundamentals of an FPS game. The OP already demonstrated why its bad for this game in that he rather rely on his scanner than with his own damn eyes.

And lol you played gotham city impostors, I almost felt bad for you.

My STD fitting

Minimatar logistics M-I

Basic DMG mod
Complex shield extender

Enhanced armor plates
Complex dampener

Exile AR

Packed AV grenade

Stable link
Nano hive
Quantum Scanner

EHP <500

I do just fine. I'll take being invisible to all but proto over 115 hp, 2 to 5 hp rep, or speed or stamina mods any day.

This is honestly the most fun I've had with Dust since the begining. I already played more of a stealth/flank game, even in other FPSes. The combination of scanner/dampener were the perfect complement.

Since Active scanner became what they are today, i cant stop using them, i am addicted to them
They have ruined EVERY other FPS for me.
When ever im playin killzone or Battelfield i automatically press R2 and try to select an Active scanner and it is freaking frustrating not being able to have it anywhere else but in here
sooo...
DAMN YOU ACTIVE SCANNER

First of all, I suggest you change that complex to an advanced assuming you have lvl 5 dampening, that would still put you at -1 dB vs ADV scanners and save you some money and cpu while you're at it.
Second of all, that doesnt protect you against proto scanners, you still need 2x enhanced profile dampeners to get below 28 dB. My gallente std and adv suit (both logi and assault) only have 2-3 low slots to work with. That leaves me with either very little hp and insignificant regen, or average hp with no regen. Fun times being always visible to a team of protos or having the HP of a scout.
Its great you enjoy stealth gameplay, getting spotted from the other side of the map isnt my cup of tea.

Lots of FPS games actually have this function.

Resistance 3 and Gotham City Imposters had a thing that actually let you see people through walls.
Most games have a "reveal players on the radar" function.

I'm just surprised that more players don't use dampeners.

They're ruining Dust too.

I use it a lot.
I die less but I kill less as a support player.
I wish that we could switch from scanner to a weapon a lot quicker since it won't equip a weapon until a full scan is finished. I've died a lot because I cant draw my weapon mid-scan.
Cancel the scan, let me shoot.

Since Active scanner became what they are today, i cant stop using them, i am addicted to them
They have ruined EVERY other FPS for me.
When ever im playin killzone or Battelfield i automatically press R2 and try to select an Active scanner and it is freaking frustrating not being able to have it anywhere else but in here
sooo...
DAMN YOU ACTIVE SCANNER

jammer thingy

And you can beat it, really without much SP.

dampeners honestly dont help you against good players, because when u defeat a scan it tells them "some margin of error" rather than "no margin of error", so by pointing it in ur direction nd u being within 100m, its REALLY easy for ppl to tell where you are even though ur not lit up.

meanwhile ur going up against a 1000ehp logi w/ a duvolle, with ur near useless dampeners, and fragile suit...
thats just how dust is right now, EHP>speed or EWAR.

Of course if the person scanning sucks, your dampeners can be good

Your math is wrong. The dampening skill and the dampener itself don't add together to reduce your scan profile (in this case, -10% + -20% =/= -30%). It's actually 50db *.9 (skill reduction) *.8 (module reduction) = 36dB.

I will test whether having exactly 36dB as your scan profile will allow you to evade advanced scans. Remembering from experience, it does not.

I'll agree with this. If it doesn't pick something up on the scan then it just shouldn't.

I think all the feedback the scanner needs is the glowing red dots.

It used to be that you had to actually use your eyes and ears to spot people. Go play a classical FPS game like Counter-Strike and then come to DUST. Many old-school FPS gamers would claim Active Scanners are the equivalent of wall hacks.

See: http://youtu.be/3btfpIKXL4c

No one except the Gallente Scout can avoid the 15dB scanner, and the scout is severely crippled if it does this (all four lows to dampeners).

If every medium/light suit in a match ran dampeners to avoid the 28dB proto scanners (rather easy, just two slots), the only useful scanner would be the 15dB which has a 10 second illumination time (scan time + light up time) and 33 second cooldown between consecutive scans, meaning that a target could only be illuminated by one person for 30% of the time in a match.

I suppose if multiple people in the squad had this proto scanner and traded off scanning, intel would have the same constancy as it does now. But the likelihood of that is about as likely as the entire enemy team all running proto dampeners.

They're ruining Dust too.

lol you mad? The scanner is amazing no more of this lone wolf stuff. now you have to stick together to survive.

Before 1.4, everyone was "perma scanned" in that what you and your teammates saw, you also saw on your radar/tacnet (no matter if you didn't have line of sight or if you were 100-200m away). Profile dampening did nothing because line of sight overrode dampening, and therefore shared line of sight made even the stealthiest scout visible to all enemies so long as he was in line of sight of one.

Now, in order to have this same level of intel, you need to have 1-2 people in your squad dedicate an equipment slot and SP to a scanner and constantly carry/use it. Further, this isn't 100% because anyone who avoids the scans of your teammates will only show up on the radar to someone with direct line of sight on them. This means that a dampened enemy could engage your squadmates one by one and you wouldn't know where he was attacking from unless you saw him yourself. This is a huge advantage and opens up a lot of flanking/stealth killing opportunities for those willing to invest in dampening.

If you don't want to go into dampening, don't complain when you get scanned.

the scanner is too binary and changed the gameplay in dust into zerging even more. this is a big step back imho, it is way worse than before where vision was shared. before you could atleast block it with solid objects, now you cant hide everywhere. it also weakened uplinks even more cause you cant hide them.

in most matches I am perma scanned all time. there is no real room for hit and run, flanking or sneaking tactics when everyone knows where you are. all you get for trying that is a cooked grenade into the face.

and the worst about it, to negate the scanner, I have to give up alot of EHP. if an AR user sees me with a damp fit out, he can down me in 0.5s. the scanner on the other hand has no real downsides.

funny to see how all the defenders are not getting it or trying to save their crutch. you can be sure that it will be nerfed in its current form, CCP is quite good at balancing actually.

I use it a lot.
I die less but I kill less as a support player.
I wish that we could switch from scanner to a weapon a lot quicker since it won't equip a weapon until a full scan is finished. I've died a lot because I cant draw my weapon mid-scan.
Cancel the scan, let me shoot.