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EternalRMG
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
567
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Posted - 2013.10.24 00:02:00 -
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Since Active scanner became what they are today, i cant stop using them, i am addicted to them They have ruined EVERY other FPS for me. When ever im playin killzone or Battelfield i automatically press R2 and try to select an Active scanner and it is freaking frustrating not being able to have it anywhere else but in here sooo... DAMN YOU ACTIVE SCANNER |
Vulpes Dolosus
Neanderthal Nation Public Disorder.
134
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Posted - 2013.10.24 00:15:00 -
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They're ruining Dust too. |
Joel II X
AHPA
55
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Posted - 2013.10.24 00:15:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote:Since Active scanner became what they are today, i cant stop using them, i am addicted to them They have ruined EVERY other FPS for me. When ever im playin killzone or Battelfield i automatically press R2 and try to select an Active scanner and it is freaking frustrating not being able to have it anywhere else but in here sooo... DAMN YOU ACTIVE SCANNER Yeah. So many people use it now that it has that WP bonus. Can't say it's a bad thing. Can't say I liked it, either. |
Syeven Reed
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
81
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Posted - 2013.10.24 00:19:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:EternalRMG wrote:Since Active scanner became what they are today, i cant stop using them, i am addicted to them They have ruined EVERY other FPS for me. When ever im playin killzone or Battelfield i automatically press R2 and try to select an Active scanner and it is freaking frustrating not being able to have it anywhere else but in here sooo... DAMN YOU ACTIVE SCANNER Yeah. So many people use it now that it has that WP bonus. Can't say it's a bad thing. Can't say I liked it, either. Id use it even without the bonus tbh, it's just handy knowing where everyone is! |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
246
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Posted - 2013.10.24 01:10:00 -
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yes i was once addicted but i went cold turkey. I sometimes miss it. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1698
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Posted - 2013.10.24 01:19:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:They're ruining Dust too.
I'll never get this. Just weeks ago you saw everyone that you squad mates saw.
Now someone has to fit an equipment slot for it. And you can beat it, really without much SP.
I know people who are fitting some pretty cheap fits that are very effective because they aren't being scanned.
It really is a case of adapt or die. If I'm in a good squad I'm happy to be scanned, I don't have to use all my stamina to kill people. |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
1132
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Posted - 2013.10.24 01:30:00 -
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Lots of FPS games actually have this function.
Resistance 3 and Gotham City Imposters had a thing that actually let you see people through walls. Most games have a "reveal players on the radar" function.
I'm just surprised that more players don't use dampeners. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
722
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Posted - 2013.10.24 02:32:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Lots of FPS games actually have this function.
Resistance 3 and Gotham City Imposters had a thing that actually let you see people through walls. Most games have a "reveal players on the radar" function.
I'm just surprised that more players don't use dampeners.
The only ones who could afford dampeners are protos, if you're adv/std gallente like me, you need every low slot you can get if you want to survive. Asking me to lose 2 of my only 3 low slots just to bypass a cheap 1 second 360 scan is ******** and pretty embarassing to call that a part of FPS gameplay. It hurts new players more than it does for those who already run proto assault or proto logi.
As far as other games having a scan function, most of them are pretty limited. Battlefield's 3d spotting (similar to the one we have) is only for LOS (line of sight) and have a limited number of uses before it gets locked into cooldown. You cant spot people from 200 meters while hiding in some remote corner of the map hiding behind a giant mountain. Thats not to say how EVERYONE has it built into their UI and theres several countermeasures like a smoke grenade at your feet. CoD also has a scan system but is limited to your radar. Blacklight Retribution has a HRV vision which is basically thermal goggles that can see where everyone in the entire map is but is limited in that they dont stay spotted on screen and that you have literally only a few seconds to get all the information you need before it shuts itself off. Counter strike and team fortressdont have anything like that because valve actually appreciates the skill of using your damn eyes and calling out enemy positions. The rest of the mainstream games are mostly radar and LOS based.
Point being, DUST's active scanning system is retardedly easy to use that most people can just sit on the outskirts of the map hiding behind a wall lolspinning with one hand and spotting literally everyone in the whole map including any pursuers. Its braindead easy and destroys many fundamentals of an FPS game. The OP already demonstrated why its bad for this game in that he rather rely on his scanner than with his own damn eyes.
And lol you played gotham city impostors, I almost felt bad for you. |
ratamaq doc
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
96
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Posted - 2013.10.24 03:15:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Lots of FPS games actually have this function.
Resistance 3 and Gotham City Imposters had a thing that actually let you see people through walls. Most games have a "reveal players on the radar" function.
I'm just surprised that more players don't use dampeners. The only ones who could afford dampeners are protos, if you're adv/std gallente like me, you need every low slot you can get if you want to survive. Asking me to lose 2 of my only 3 low slots just to bypass a cheap 1 second 360 scan is ******** and pretty embarassing to call that a part of FPS gameplay. It hurts new players more than it does for those who already run proto assault or proto logi. As far as other games having a scan function, most of them are pretty limited. Battlefield's 3d spotting (similar to the one we have) is only for LOS (line of sight) and have a limited number of uses before it gets locked into cooldown. You cant spot people from 200 meters while hiding in some remote corner of the map hiding behind a giant mountain. Thats not to say how EVERYONE has it built into their UI and theres several countermeasures like a smoke grenade at your feet. CoD also has a scan system but is limited to your radar. Blacklight Retribution has a HRV vision which is basically thermal goggles that can see where everyone in the entire map is but is limited in that they dont stay spotted on screen and that you have literally only a few seconds to get all the information you need before it shuts itself off. Counter strike and team fortressdont have anything like that because valve actually appreciates the skill of using your damn eyes and calling out enemy positions. The rest of the mainstream games are mostly radar and LOS based. Point being, DUST's active scanning system is retardedly easy to use that most people can just sit on the outskirts of the map hiding behind a wall lolspinning with one hand and spotting literally everyone in the whole map including any pursuers. Its braindead easy and destroys many fundamentals of an FPS game. The OP already demonstrated why its bad for this game in that he rather rely on his scanner than with his own damn eyes. And lol you played gotham city impostors, I almost felt bad for you.
My STD fitting
Minimatar logistics M-I
Basic DMG mod Complex shield extender
Enhanced armor plates Complex dampener
Exile AR
Packed AV grenade
Stable link Nano hive Quantum Scanner
EHP <500
I do just fine. I'll take being invisible to all but proto over 115 hp, 2 to 5 hp rep, or speed or stamina mods any day.
This is honestly the most fun I've had with Dust since the begining. I already played more of a stealth/flank game, even in other FPSes. The combination of scanner/dampener were the perfect complement.
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Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
437
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Posted - 2013.10.24 03:32:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:snip
Point being, DUST's active scanning system is retardedly easy to use that most people can just sit on the outskirts of the map hiding behind a wall lolspinning with one hand and spotting literally everyone in the whole map including any pursuers. Its braindead easy and destroys many fundamentals of an FPS game. The OP already demonstrated why its bad for this game in that he rather rely on his scanner than with his own damn eyes.
snip Sweet, if the Dev's put the final nail in the Fatty suits this Winter I will consider that option. Not as cool as the guy whose Dropship protests was to just fly at the ceiling height. But it could work. |
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Tectonic Fusion
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
418
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Posted - 2013.10.24 03:47:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Lots of FPS games actually have this function.
Resistance 3 and Gotham City Imposters had a thing that actually let you see people through walls. Most games have a "reveal players on the radar" function.
I'm just surprised that more players don't use dampeners. The only ones who could afford dampeners are protos, if you're adv/std gallente like me, you need every low slot you can get if you want to survive. Asking me to lose 2 of my only 3 low slots just to bypass a cheap 1 second 360 scan is ******** and pretty embarassing to call that a part of FPS gameplay. It hurts new players more than it does for those who already run proto assault or proto logi. As far as other games having a scan function, most of them are pretty limited. Battlefield's 3d spotting (similar to the one we have) is only for LOS (line of sight) and have a limited number of uses before it gets locked into cooldown. You cant spot people from 200 meters while hiding in some remote corner of the map hiding behind a giant mountain. Thats not to say how EVERYONE has it built into their UI and theres several countermeasures like a smoke grenade at your feet. CoD also has a scan system but is limited to your radar. Blacklight Retribution has a HRV vision which is basically thermal goggles that can see where everyone in the entire map is but is limited in that they dont stay spotted on screen and that you have literally only a few seconds to get all the information you need before it shuts itself off. Counter strike and team fortressdont have anything like that because valve actually appreciates the skill of using your damn eyes and calling out enemy positions. The rest of the mainstream games are mostly radar and LOS based. Point being, DUST's active scanning system is retardedly easy to use that most people can just sit on the outskirts of the map hiding behind a wall lolspinning with one hand and spotting literally everyone in the whole map including any pursuers. Its braindead easy and destroys many fundamentals of an FPS game. The OP already demonstrated why its bad for this game in that he rather rely on his scanner than with his own damn eyes. And lol you played gotham city impostors, I almost felt bad for you. When I'm scanned, I think **** it... COME AT ME BROS!!!!!!!!! *starts charging Imperial Scrambler Rifle* |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9641
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Posted - 2013.10.24 03:50:00 -
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Oh my new fear thing these days
Scanner Armed HAVs... they're stopping me from getting close to ambush them or stack explosives on their tail pipes. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
723
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Posted - 2013.10.24 04:05:00 -
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ratamaq doc wrote:My STD fitting
Minimatar logistics M-I
Basic DMG mod Complex shield extender
Enhanced armor plates Complex dampener
Exile AR
Packed AV grenade
Stable link Nano hive Quantum Scanner
EHP <500
I do just fine. I'll take being invisible to all but proto over 115 hp, 2 to 5 hp rep, or speed or stamina mods any day.
This is honestly the most fun I've had with Dust since the begining. I already played more of a stealth/flank game, even in other FPSes. The combination of scanner/dampener were the perfect complement.
First of all, I suggest you change that complex to an advanced assuming you have lvl 5 dampening, that would still put you at -1 dB vs ADV scanners and save you some money and cpu while you're at it. Second of all, that doesnt protect you against proto scanners, you still need 2x enhanced profile dampeners to get below 28 dB. My gallente std and adv suit (both logi and assault) only have 2-3 low slots to work with. That leaves me with either very little hp and insignificant regen, or average hp with no regen. Fun times being always visible to a team of protos or having the HP of a scout. Its great you enjoy stealth gameplay, getting spotted from the other side of the map isnt my cup of tea. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2029
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Posted - 2013.10.24 04:06:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote:Since Active scanner became what they are today, i cant stop using them, i am addicted to them They have ruined EVERY other FPS for me. When ever im playin killzone or Battelfield i automatically press R2 and try to select an Active scanner and it is freaking frustrating not being able to have it anywhere else but in here sooo... DAMN YOU ACTIVE SCANNER
Battlefield scouts do have that jammer thingy you can place on the ground .... |
ratamaq doc
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
96
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Posted - 2013.10.24 05:28:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:ratamaq doc wrote:My STD fitting
Minimatar logistics M-I
Basic DMG mod Complex shield extender
Enhanced armor plates Complex dampener
Exile AR
Packed AV grenade
Stable link Nano hive Quantum Scanner
EHP <500
I do just fine. I'll take being invisible to all but proto over 115 hp, 2 to 5 hp rep, or speed or stamina mods any day.
This is honestly the most fun I've had with Dust since the begining. I already played more of a stealth/flank game, even in other FPSes. The combination of scanner/dampener were the perfect complement.
First of all, I suggest you change that complex to an advanced assuming you have lvl 5 dampening, that would still put you at -1 dB vs ADV scanners and save you some money and cpu while you're at it. Second of all, that doesnt protect you against proto scanners, you still need 2x enhanced profile dampeners to get below 28 dB. My gallente std and adv suit (both logi and assault) only have 2-3 low slots to work with. That leaves me with either very little hp and insignificant regen, or average hp with no regen. Fun times being always visible to a team of protos or having the HP of a scout. Its great you enjoy stealth gameplay, getting spotted from the other side of the map isnt my cup of tea.
First, I've yet to successfully test this with adv vs complex dampener so you may be correct. When I first did the math I thought the same thing. Then I was corrected in that my math was incorrect and an adv only brings you to 36db. From experience, when I was running with enhanced dampeners, I was getting scanned a lot. In complex, rarely. It could very well be true that luck would have it that every time I dropped in with an enhanced dampener I was in a match with proto scanners, but I doubt it.
Second, I'm not looking to get below proto scanners. I play the 80/20 rule in that Most people are not running proto scanners, however I think most ARE running the quantum. it's cheap, fitting cost is relatively low, isn't a big SP sink to get to, and 16 seconds is a long time to light up 80% of the players. When running this fit MOST of the time I see 'Scan Attempt Prevented'. When I do get scanned, I look for the red dot on my mini map spinning in a circle, try to identify him, and stay away from he and his squad if I'm in a standard suite because I know I've been scanned by a proto scanner. |
FAZER-B
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.10.24 05:47:00 -
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I use it a lot. I die less but I kill less as a support player. I wish that we could switch from scanner to a weapon a lot quicker since it won't equip a weapon until a full scan is finished. I've died a lot because I cant draw my weapon mid-scan. Cancel the scan, let me shoot. |
Vitharr Foebane
Blood Money Mercenaries
137
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Posted - 2013.10.24 05:53:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Lots of FPS games actually have this function.
Resistance 3 and Gotham City Imposters had a thing that actually let you see people through walls. Most games have a "reveal players on the radar" function.
I'm just surprised that more players don't use dampeners. LOL at dampeners on a heavy... |
Kaze Eyrou
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
381
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Posted - 2013.10.24 06:41:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:They're ruining Dust too. My stealth suit says "Hi!"
Your Active Scanner is confused!
It hurt you in its confusion!
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Chumlee Chummington
Red Star. EoN.
18
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Posted - 2013.10.24 07:07:00 -
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FAZER-B wrote:I use it a lot. I die less but I kill less as a support player. I wish that we could switch from scanner to a weapon a lot quicker since it won't equip a weapon until a full scan is finished. I've died a lot because I cant draw my weapon mid-scan. Cancel the scan, let me shoot. Its called sprint cancel. Abuse it b4 its patched. |
Borne Velvalor
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
797
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Posted - 2013.10.24 07:10:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote:Since Active scanner became what they are today, i cant stop using them, i am addicted to them They have ruined EVERY other FPS for me. When ever im playin killzone or Battelfield i automatically press R2 and try to select an Active scanner and it is freaking frustrating not being able to have it anywhere else but in here sooo... DAMN YOU ACTIVE SCANNER
Play Killzone 3 as a Scout. Enjoy not having to pull out the scanner and manually use it every 10 seconds, with 360 degree detection. Also works for ANY teammates within range of you, unlike here where it only works for squad members. |
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Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1554
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Posted - 2013.10.24 07:18:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote: jammer thingy
Solution to scanners being a little too effective atm.
I doubt CCP will leave EWAR at simply dampeners vs. scanners. I'm assuming countermeasures such as jammers, minimap disruptors, HUD eliminators are coming SOONGäó |
Dubber Rucky
Silent 1nterface
8
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Posted - 2013.10.24 07:19:00 -
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Active scanner users think they know everything. |
Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
184
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Posted - 2013.10.24 07:27:00 -
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What about the heartbeat sensor in one of the CoD games? You have to be a Jedi to jam that. |
Kosakai
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
4
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Posted - 2013.10.24 07:29:00 -
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scanner + shotgun = <3 |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Nyain San
453
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Posted - 2013.10.24 07:35:00 -
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dampeners honestly dont help you against good players, because when u defeat a scan it tells them "some margin of error" rather than "no margin of error", so by pointing it in ur direction nd u being within 100m, its REALLY easy for ppl to tell where you are even though ur not lit up.
meanwhile ur going up against a 1000ehp logi w/ a duvolle, with ur near useless dampeners, and fragile suit... thats just how dust is right now, EHP>speed or EWAR.
Of course if the person scanning sucks, your dampeners can be good |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
258
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Posted - 2013.10.24 07:59:00 -
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n00bs spam the thing in all directions the whole time. I however search manually people and when i spotted one guy i usually pull out the scanner and see if he has mates hiding. However scanning the proximity in buildings and objectives is benefitial. What i find really odd is that every equipment gets picked up by scanners apart from remote explosives. |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1270
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Posted - 2013.10.24 10:05:00 -
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Well with one blind eye and one really bad one (+7.5), I can do nothing but love the scanner. I've used it since launch, so many teammates have benefitted from it without knowing it until this last change.
I do however think that getting WPs for it is total bs. Now we have loads of players scanning all the time just to get some points. It is such a good tactical tool and gives its own rewards in terms of battlefield awareness, which should be enough.
When we run in squads with 2 or even 3 scanners, the total WP accumulation leads us to normally get 2 OBs in a 50 clone ambush and 3 OBs in a 80 clone ambush. That CCP didn't adress this at the same time as the WP change is a reminder of their lack of development experience. This IMO is the biggest issue with the scanners atm.
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
652
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Posted - 2013.10.24 11:31:00 -
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A dropship with a scanner trumps all! |
lrian Locust
DUST University Ivy League
249
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Posted - 2013.10.24 12:10:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:And you can beat it, really without much SP. You need to sink too much SP in dampening to beat the scanners.
I use an advanced scout suit with lvl 3in Profile Dampening, and I still get scanned over half of the time. As a scout I don't have the PG/CPU to equip dampening modules., without sacrificing the little extra shields, speed or damage I can fit.
As such, it makes a huge difference whether you're a vet and passed the SP sink or not. I'd say that a scout with lvl 5 dampening should be invisible to all scanners. That would be a good benchmark.
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy
262
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Posted - 2013.10.24 12:31:00 -
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I run Gallente ADV logi with at least one complex dampener on me at all times. I switch to two complex dampeners if the enemy is using proto scanners; otherwise I either use an enhanced cardiac regulator or two basic plates.
On my stealth suit with two dampeners, I only have one basic plate, meaning my EHP is around 530 HP after throwing in two complex shield extenders. But I can still kill proto players because not being scanned is a HUGE advantage in addition to having a scanner of your own, meaning you can often get the drop on enemies and kill them before they know what's happening.
You don't need a ton of armor or repair if your opponent is dead before they even take down your shields. Surprise and high alpha damage will win the encounter for you 80% of the time.
Scouts with level 5 in the racial skill don't need modules or the dampening skill to avoid advanced scanners. They need one slot for a basic/militia dampener and level 2 in the skill to avoid proto scanners (28 db). The 15dB scanner is all but impossible to avoid unless you're willing to stack 4 complex dampeners and level 5 in the skill (only possible on the Gallente Scout, no other suit can dodge this scanner).
Considering that in 90% of the battles I play, people only the advanced scanner, and nearly no one at all uses the 15dB scanner, I don't think scouts have any room to complain about getting scanned.
FYI, to avoid advanced scanners as a medium suit, you need one complex dampener and level 5 in the skill. I don't think one enhanced will do it (it leaves your scan profile at exactly 36dB). To dodge the proto scans, you need two complex dampeners. This is the most slot efficient way to do it. |
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