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ResistanceGTA Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 31	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:03:00 - [31] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Takron Nistrom wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: I don't understand how free MLT changes anything, you can make enough isk in most matches to supply 100's of MLT suits, so a bpo mlt armor rep that normally costs 100 isk is game breaking? it not like this stuff is ADV or PRO. Honestly i have more BPO crap going back to may of 2012 than i can even count, I haven't used any of it once your able to field better gear. Heres the problem. People would rather make money endlessly grinding pubs in free suits. Rather than pushing themselves to go into PC and actually develop how the game intended. Highsec should not be profitable BPO's make Highsex profitable Or wat about this. Make how much isk u make be totally reliant on the gear u field and how well u do as an individual. Field high end gear, get paid more. Players should be gravitating toward PC and FW for high ISK rewards. Aren't we removing actual isk rewards from FW? Yea, factional stuff to sell blah blah two years later... So, PC should be the only way to make money? Isn't PC supposed to be an isk sink? Just like FW will be for smaller corps/loners?
Rowdy Railgunner TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 77	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:06:00 - [32] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: CCP would have to refund me cold hard cash if they removed BPOs. Sony doesn't allow refunds beyond PSN cash. Well then CCP can't remove BPOs. Problem solved.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3537	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:10:00 - [33] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: Simple Fix turn all BPOs into paint jobs. Bang people go back to buying suits. Then on their fit they can select the paint job they want to run. If it is a caldari assault BPO it should switch so millitant to proto gain the paint job. I do not think many people would mind this. Probably even enjoy this because they can show off the cool looks on their proto gear. I know many of us told CCP BPOs where a bad idea when they first came out. Love how a year later they finally relize it. OR.... make them EVE BPO which have to be produced.... that would make a **** ton more sense.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7176	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:11:00 - [34] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: Simple Fix turn all BPOs into paint jobs. Bang people go back to buying suits. Then on their fit they can select the paint job they want to run. If it is a caldari assault BPO it should switch so millitant to proto gain the paint job. I do not think many people would mind this. Probably even enjoy this because they can show off the cool looks on their proto gear. I know many of us told CCP BPOs where a bad idea when they first came out. Love how a year later they finally relize it. OR.... make them EVE BPO which have to be produced.... that would make a **** ton more sense. So what happens to DUST players who don't play EVE but purchased BPOs?
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 127	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:13:00 - [35] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: Simple Fix turn all BPOs into paint jobs. Bang people go back to buying suits. Then on their fit they can select the paint job they want to run. If it is a caldari assault BPO it should switch so millitant to proto gain the paint job. I do not think many people would mind this. Probably even enjoy this because they can show off the cool looks on their proto gear. I know many of us told CCP BPOs where a bad idea when they first came out. Love how a year later they finally relize it. OR.... make them EVE BPO which have to be produced.... that would make a **** ton more sense. ^This! Make BPOs exactly like EVE so they have a cost, just a significantly reduced one vs the market.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3540	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:19:00 - [36] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: True Adamance wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: Simple Fix turn all BPOs into paint jobs. Bang people go back to buying suits. Then on their fit they can select the paint job they want to run. If it is a caldari assault BPO it should switch so millitant to proto gain the paint job. I do not think many people would mind this. Probably even enjoy this because they can show off the cool looks on their proto gear. I know many of us told CCP BPOs where a bad idea when they first came out. Love how a year later they finally relize it. OR.... make them EVE BPO which have to be produced.... that would make a **** ton more sense. So what happens to DUST players who don't play EVE but purchased BPOs? Go get an EVE friend, that's half of what this game is about. Or you could contract the BPO out, using an implemented contracts system to get an indy player to produce it for you.
Kovinis Sparagas Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 66	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:20:00 - [37] - Quote I agree- remove BPO until you make them as they are in EVE
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7178	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:20:00 - [38] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: True Adamance wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: Simple Fix turn all BPOs into paint jobs. Bang people go back to buying suits. Then on their fit they can select the paint job they want to run. If it is a caldari assault BPO it should switch so millitant to proto gain the paint job. I do not think many people would mind this. Probably even enjoy this because they can show off the cool looks on their proto gear. I know many of us told CCP BPOs where a bad idea when they first came out. Love how a year later they finally relize it. OR.... make them EVE BPO which have to be produced.... that would make a **** ton more sense. So what happens to DUST players who don't play EVE but purchased BPOs? Go get an EVE friend, that's half of what this game is about. Or you could contract the BPO out, using an implemented contracts system to get an indy player to produce it for you. All because people are upset about someone getting militia gear for free I could buy 1000 of all my militia fits in just a few hours and it would be exactly the same as buying a BPO.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 267	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:24:00 - [39] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Why are they NOT being removed? Does CCP really lack the balls to give a small amount of refunds to fix a core problem with the game? Because they are not game breaking. The game is just broken, and unfinished. BPOs will work just fine once industry, PvE, and the market are introduced. I didn't define them as gamebreaking, CCP did. I know. They say gamebreaking, but they really mean wallet breaking. People aren't buying enough Aurum to purchase their crap militia suits. It's hardly gamebreaking. With the isk removal from Faction Warfare, BPOs are going to be the only thing keeping it alive until the player market opens and Faction gear is worth using. Edit: Not to mention that they just released their $$$ Anniversary Edition boxed set.... That contains...................................... ******* BPOs!!
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3540	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:24:00 - [40] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: True Adamance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: True Adamance wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: Simple Fix turn all BPOs into paint jobs. Bang people go back to buying suits. Then on their fit they can select the paint job they want to run. If it is a caldari assault BPO it should switch so millitant to proto gain the paint job. I do not think many people would mind this. Probably even enjoy this because they can show off the cool looks on their proto gear. I know many of us told CCP BPOs where a bad idea when they first came out. Love how a year later they finally relize it. OR.... make them EVE BPO which have to be produced.... that would make a **** ton more sense. So what happens to DUST players who don't play EVE but purchased BPOs? Go get an EVE friend, that's half of what this game is about. Or you could contract the BPO out, using an implemented contracts system to get an indy player to produce it for you. All because people are upset about someone getting militia gear for free I could buy 1000 of all my militia fits in just a couple matches and it would be exactly the same as buying a BPO. I don't care either way, but at some point BPO will need to have consumable and purchasable materials or they will unbalance the economy. If Industry was in merc hands that would be fine. Its not, so we suck it up and deal with it.

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1060	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:27:00 - [41] - Quote 'Sever' Logi or GTFO
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 128	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:28:00 - [42] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Why are they NOT being removed? Does CCP really lack the balls to give a small amount of refunds to fix a core problem with the game? Because they are not game breaking. The game is just broken, and unfinished. BPOs will work just fine once industry, PvE, and the market are introduced. I didn't define them as gamebreaking, CCP did. I know. They say gamebreaking, but they really mean wallet breaking. People aren't buying enough Aurum to purchase their crap militia suits. It's hardly gamebreaking. With the isk removal from Faction Warfare, BPOs are going to be the only thing keeping it alive until the player market opens and Faction gear is worth using. I don't know what they expect. CCP is completely brain dead stupid when it comes to the F2P elements of their game and what should and shouldn't be paid for with real currency. Cosmetic stuff is #1 selling in all F2P games and yet it is non-existent here. Some games exist with selling ONLY cosmetic items. I know I would drop money for AUR for cosmetic items. As it is the ONLY thing worth real world money is boosters and BPOs. Most BPOs were just removed so that shortens the list considerably on what i'm willing to part with real currency for.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2611	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:30:00 - [43] - Quote Here's another tidbit for those who say "do it the EVE way" ... CCP is actually trying to phase that out. New modules, for example, are released through controlled drops of BPC. They are still pushing this with the goal of taking back control of the economy/making the AUR store contain more temporary power ups, even after burn jita. So I would not bet on the EVE structure coming to DUST, since CCP doesn't like it in EVE already.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 267	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:51:00 - [44] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Here's another tidbit for those who say "do it the EVE way" ... CCP is actually trying to phase that out. New modules, for example, are released through controlled drops of BPC. They are still pushing this with the goal of taking back control of the economy/making the AUR store contain more temporary power ups, even after burn jita. So I would not bet on the EVE structure coming to DUST, since CCP doesn't like it in EVE already. I agree that CCP seems incapable of understanding what people want to spend money on. But BPCs are still manufacturable in Eve, just limited run. They could impose a weekly resetting limit on our current BPOs in Dust. There are reasonable ways to subtly change it without ripping us off.
Rowdy Railgunner TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 77	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:04:00 - [45] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Here's another tidbit for those who say "do it the EVE way" ... CCP is actually trying to phase that out. New modules, for example, are released through controlled drops of BPC. They are still pushing this with the goal of taking back control of the economy/making the AUR store contain more temporary power ups, even after burn jita. So I would not bet on the EVE structure coming to DUST, since CCP doesn't like it in EVE already. I agree that CCP seems incapable of understanding what people want to spend money on. But BPCs are still manufacturable in Eve, just limited run. They could impose a weekly resetting limit on our current BPOs in Dust. There are reasonable ways to subtly change it without ripping us off. No there isn't. Any change to BPOs now is a slap in the face to customers. CCP Frame wrote: So donGÇÖt forget to take advantage of the in-game market now to secure items that you may need before they are gone from the in-game store! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112962&find=unread This is why I wrote the Nerf BPOs thread is this is why CCP keeps getting worse and worse. They tell you one thing then instantly change it. If it was related to in game SP ISK related gear, yeah sure change it. But when you purposefully lead the customer on and then try to switch the product after the sale. Well there are laws against that.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2114	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:06:00 - [46] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: CCP would have to refund me cold hard cash if they removed BPOs. Sony doesn't allow refunds beyond PSN cash. Well then CCP can't remove BPOs. Problem solved. They can but they probably won't.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 506	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:08:00 - [47] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: It's because during closed beta BPOs were cheap as dirt so people had stocked up on them. If CCP were to give a refund then there would be people with over 500k aur while they only bought like 200k aur. this is actually wrong on the transition from closed beta to open in January all bpo's were refunded at new market prices..if you wanted to keep your bpo you then bought it back..if not then u made a bunch of aur... the increase in aur because of bpo conversion and price increase has already occurred it did so in mid january..i personally had loads of duplicates of bpo's and bought 1 copy of each back and made about triple aur when that happened 30 aur to 1200 aur to 19800 aur or something like that
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2114	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:08:00 - [48] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Here's another tidbit for those who say "do it the EVE way" ... CCP is actually trying to phase that out. New modules, for example, are released through controlled drops of BPC. They are still pushing this with the goal of taking back control of the economy/making the AUR store contain more temporary power ups, even after burn jita. So I would not bet on the EVE structure coming to DUST, since CCP doesn't like it in EVE already. I agree that CCP seems incapable of understanding what people want to spend money on. But BPCs are still manufacturable in Eve, just limited run. They could impose a weekly resetting limit on our current BPOs in Dust. There are reasonable ways to subtly change it without ripping us off. No there isn't. Any change to BPOs now is a slap in the face to customers. CCP Frame wrote: So donGÇÖt forget to take advantage of the in-game market now to secure items that you may need before they are gone from the in-game store! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112962&find=unread This is why I wrote the Nerf BPOs thread is this is why CCP keeps getting worse and worse. They tell you one thing then instantly change it. If it was related to in game SP ISK related gear, yeah sure change it. But when you purposefully lead the customer on and then try to switch the product after the sale. Well there are laws against that. They said they were removing them from the market. They gave all of their customers a fair chance to get the BPOs. Also CCPs EULA protects them from lawsuits concerning changes to real money products.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2114	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:10:00 - [49] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: It's because during closed beta BPOs were cheap as dirt so people had stocked up on them. If CCP were to give a refund then there would be people with over 500k aur while they only bought like 200k aur. this is actually wrong on the transition from closed beta to open in January all bpo's were refunded at new market prices..if you wanted to keep your bpo you then bought it back..if not then u made a bunch of aur... the increase in aur because of bpo conversion and price increase has already occurred it did so in mid january..i personally had loads of duplicates of bpo's and bought 1 copy of each back and made about triple aur when that happened 30 aur to 1200 aur to 19800 aur or something like that I think the price change happened in open beta then. Somewhere in January but it did happen.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 267	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:12:00 - [50] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Here's another tidbit for those who say "do it the EVE way" ... CCP is actually trying to phase that out. New modules, for example, are released through controlled drops of BPC. They are still pushing this with the goal of taking back control of the economy/making the AUR store contain more temporary power ups, even after burn jita. So I would not bet on the EVE structure coming to DUST, since CCP doesn't like it in EVE already. I agree that CCP seems incapable of understanding what people want to spend money on. But BPCs are still manufacturable in Eve, just limited run. They could impose a weekly resetting limit on our current BPOs in Dust. There are reasonable ways to subtly change it without ripping us off. No there isn't. Any change to BPOs now is a slap in the face to customers. CCP Frame wrote: So donGÇÖt forget to take advantage of the in-game market now to secure items that you may need before they are gone from the in-game store! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112962&find=unread This is why I wrote the Nerf BPOs thread is this is why CCP keeps getting worse and worse. They tell you one thing then instantly change it. If it was related to in game SP ISK related gear, yeah sure change it. But when you purposefully lead the customer on and then try to switch the product after the sale. Well there are laws against that. And they used to advertise Ghost Training in Eve as a Feature. Then, when they realized it was hitting them in the wallet, they back-peddled, and called it an Unintentional Bug that was getting fixed. I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I'm saying that they will do what they think best for their bottom line. If we as players could at least force a compromise, to limit our loss, then that will be the best for all of us.

IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 172	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:13:00 - [51] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: It's because during closed beta BPOs were cheap as dirt so people had stocked up on them. If CCP were to give a refund then there would be people with over 500k aur while they only bought like 200k aur. this is actually wrong on the transition from closed beta to open in January all bpo's were refunded at new market prices..if you wanted to keep your bpo you then bought it back..if not then u made a bunch of aur... the increase in aur because of bpo conversion and price increase has already occurred it did so in mid january..i personally had loads of duplicates of bpo's and bought 1 copy of each back and made about triple aur when that happened 30 aur to 1200 aur to 19800 aur or something like that Actually that is not true they didn't refund any BPO items in january for that exact reason. I'm still sitting on the BPO modules I bought in 2012 none were refunded when all the other assets were, if they do refund AUR spent on BPO items at current values I'll turn an AUR profit to the tune of $500 real dollars.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 775	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:20:00 - [52] - Quote As someone who runs BPOs regularly and almost exclusively in pubs I only save aroud 50k a match in ISK. All the equipment is either standard or militia stat wise. As for BPOs that require less skill, they are no different from Aur standard equipment except that they are unlimited. I payed a lot of real money for an unlimited standard suit as opposed to paying a lot of real money for a bunch of limited standard suits. Either way the there are two economies, the AUR one and ISK one and in theory BPOs are part of the Aur one which fund this game. If you think it's unfair than find a better way for this game to make money.
Rowdy Railgunner TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 77	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:23:00 - [53] - Quote Thor McStrut wrote: And they used to advertise Ghost Training in Eve as a Feature. Then, when they realized it was hitting them in the wallet, they back-peddled, and called it an Unintentional Bug that was getting fixed. I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I'm saying that they will do what they think best for their bottom line. If we as players could at least force a compromise, to limit our loss, then that will be the best for all of us. Then CCP just straight up lies to their customers. Why would they allow that post if they knew that in less than a month later they were going to say BPOs where going to go away. And why would they use the fact that the 10 yr CE came with BPOs for DUST? That would mean it was lie, and could be punishable because it can be argued that it caused damages. Would I have payed real money to get the BPOs that they were pushing because of them being removed from the market, if I knew that under a month later they were going to announce that they were thinking of getting rid of them? No, so right there that causes me distress. Either way lying as a company is far worse for a bottom line than a few BPOs are.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2114	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:25:00 - [54] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: And they used to advertise Ghost Training in Eve as a Feature. Then, when they realized it was hitting them in the wallet, they back-peddled, and called it an Unintentional Bug that was getting fixed. I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I'm saying that they will do what they think best for their bottom line. If we as players could at least force a compromise, to limit our loss, then that will be the best for all of us. Then CCP just straight up lies to their customers. Why would they allow that post if they knew that in less than a month later they were going to say BPOs where going to go away. And why would they use the fact that the 10 yr CE came with BPOs for DUST? That would mean it was lie, and could be punishable because it can be argued that it caused damages. Would I have payed real money to get the BPOs that they were pushing because of them being removed from the market, if I knew that under a month later they were going to announce that they were thinking of getting rid of them? No, so right there that causes me distress. Either way lying as a company is far worse for a bottom line than a few BPOs are. You really should read dust's and Sonys EULA.
Rowdy Railgunner TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 77	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:26:00 - [55] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: And they used to advertise Ghost Training in Eve as a Feature. Then, when they realized it was hitting them in the wallet, they back-peddled, and called it an Unintentional Bug that was getting fixed. I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I'm saying that they will do what they think best for their bottom line. If we as players could at least force a compromise, to limit our loss, then that will be the best for all of us. Then CCP just straight up lies to their customers. Why would they allow that post if they knew that in less than a month later they were going to say BPOs where going to go away. And why would they use the fact that the 10 yr CE came with BPOs for DUST? That would mean it was lie, and could be punishable because it can be argued that it caused damages. Would I have payed real money to get the BPOs that they were pushing because of them being removed from the market, if I knew that under a month later they were going to announce that they were thinking of getting rid of them? No, so right there that causes me distress. Either way lying as a company is far worse for a bottom line than a few BPOs are. You really should read dust's and Sonys EULA. And you should read about some cases where companies purposefully mislead customers.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2115	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:38:00 - [56] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: And they used to advertise Ghost Training in Eve as a Feature. Then, when they realized it was hitting them in the wallet, they back-peddled, and called it an Unintentional Bug that was getting fixed. I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I'm saying that they will do what they think best for their bottom line. If we as players could at least force a compromise, to limit our loss, then that will be the best for all of us. Then CCP just straight up lies to their customers. Why would they allow that post if they knew that in less than a month later they were going to say BPOs where going to go away. And why would they use the fact that the 10 yr CE came with BPOs for DUST? That would mean it was lie, and could be punishable because it can be argued that it caused damages. Would I have payed real money to get the BPOs that they were pushing because of them being removed from the market, if I knew that under a month later they were going to announce that they were thinking of getting rid of them? No, so right there that causes me distress. Either way lying as a company is far worse for a bottom line than a few BPOs are. You really should read dust's and Sonys EULA. And you should read about some cases where companies purposefully mislead customers. How about instead of ignoring me go read something in which you signed blindly like an idiot. Also you should look up some of the cases against sony (None of them were successful even though they had very valid reason in doing so. You know what fked them over? Their EULA which they signed blindly too)
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2141	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:40:00 - [57] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Why are they NOT being removed? Does CCP really lack the balls to give a small amount of refunds to fix a core problem with the game? What is wrong is the purpose of BPO's. Once (if) crafting is available in Dust, BPO's should be just like they are in Eve - a mold to make the suit - and the suit itself is consumable. This way, people can make thier own stuff at a lower cost than buying it from the market if they want.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 268	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:46:00 - [58] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Thor McStrut wrote: And they used to advertise Ghost Training in Eve as a Feature. Then, when they realized it was hitting them in the wallet, they back-peddled, and called it an Unintentional Bug that was getting fixed. I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I'm saying that they will do what they think best for their bottom line. If we as players could at least force a compromise, to limit our loss, then that will be the best for all of us. Then CCP just straight up lies to their customers. Why would they allow that post if they knew that in less than a month later they were going to say BPOs where going to go away. And why would they use the fact that the 10 yr CE came with BPOs for DUST? That would mean it was lie, and could be punishable because it can be argued that it caused damages. Would I have payed real money to get the BPOs that they were pushing because of them being removed from the market, if I knew that under a month later they were going to announce that they were thinking of getting rid of them? No, so right there that causes me distress. Either way lying as a company is far worse for a bottom line than a few BPOs are. You really should read dust's and Sonys EULA. And you should read about some cases where companies purposefully mislead customers. How about instead of ignoring me go read something in which you signed blindly like an idiot. Also you should look up some of the cases against sony (None of them were successful even though they had very valid reason in doing so. You know what fked them over? Their EULA which they signed blindly too) The problem here is that if you want to play, you have to accept it. And by doing so, you are giving up some of your consumer rights. There have been cases where EULAs have been deemed illegal, and parts of them were overturned in the courts, but that usually takes money. Money most of us don't have and can't afford, cus we are blowing it on digital crap in video games. Is it fair? Probably not, but it's a risk that CCP is obviously willing to take. What happens when CCP decides Dust is no longer viable, and closes the connection? We all lose it all. I guarantee we won't be getting refunds then either.
Rowdy Railgunner TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 77	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:51:00 - [59] - Quote My beef is about the deceptive practices, not the actual items. You can't EULA away lying to your customers when real money is involved. If CCP knew that they were going to announce they want to get rid of BPOs, then don't scam people into buying them right before you announce that. And don't expect people to be fine with it either when you do.
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 172	Posted - 2013.10.23 23:05:00 - [60] - Quote RR is correct it is not ethical to conduct business that way, and before all of the eve-tards come out of the wood work think for a moment is that the same CCP you want to defend to the end. I postulate that CCP is an amazing developer that has made what I've been told an amazing game in EVE. My own experience in DUST for the last 18 months is one of seeing a developer in way over their head and floundering and about 6 months from failcascadding on this project. CCP Shenghai/DUST does not equal CCP Iceland/EVE, nothing about the one has translated to the other, in essence the credibility of EVE carries zero weight at this time in regard to DUST. You may as well be talking about World of Darkness. There are some very creative cool people at CCP that have come up with some great ideas in their goals for DUST, getting a crew of people a world away to develop those ideas is not panning out. Unfortunately this game should have been kept under wraps until now, today would have been a great starting point for the closed beta. These actions and the constant 3 steps forwards 2 steps back are not a good trend. I want this game to succed I've invested more time in my life and $ than any other media or game. I'm also capable of being pragmatic and calling the quacking bird a duck.



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