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Kane Fyea
DUST University
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Posted - 2013.10.23 19:34:00 -
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It's because during closed beta BPOs were cheap as dirt so people had stocked up on them. If CCP were to give a refund then there would be people with over 500k aur while they only bought like 200k aur. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
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Posted - 2013.10.23 21:03:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:CCP would have to refund me cold hard cash if they removed BPOs.
Sony doesn't allow refunds beyond PSN cash. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
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Posted - 2013.10.23 22:06:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Rowdy Railgunner wrote:CCP would have to refund me cold hard cash if they removed BPOs. Sony doesn't allow refunds beyond PSN cash. Well then CCP can't remove BPOs. Problem solved.
They can but they probably won't. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.23 22:08:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Thor McStrut wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Here's another tidbit for those who say "do it the EVE way" ... CCP is actually trying to phase that out. New modules, for example, are released through controlled drops of BPC. They are still pushing this with the goal of taking back control of the economy/making the AUR store contain more temporary power ups, even after burn jita. So I would not bet on the EVE structure coming to DUST, since CCP doesn't like it in EVE already. I agree that CCP seems incapable of understanding what people want to spend money on. But BPCs are still manufacturable in Eve, just limited run. They could impose a weekly resetting limit on our current BPOs in Dust. There are reasonable ways to subtly change it without ripping us off. No there isn't. Any change to BPOs now is a slap in the face to customers. CCP Frame wrote:So donGÇÖt forget to take advantage of the in-game market now to secure items that you may need before they are gone from the in-game store! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112962&find=unreadThis is why I wrote the Nerf BPOs thread is this is why CCP keeps getting worse and worse. They tell you one thing then instantly change it. If it was related to in game SP ISK related gear, yeah sure change it. But when you purposefully lead the customer on and then try to switch the product after the sale. Well there are laws against that.
They said they were removing them from the market. They gave all of their customers a fair chance to get the BPOs. Also CCPs EULA protects them from lawsuits concerning changes to real money products. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.23 22:10:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:It's because during closed beta BPOs were cheap as dirt so people had stocked up on them. If CCP were to give a refund then there would be people with over 500k aur while they only bought like 200k aur. this is actually wrong on the transition from closed beta to open in January all bpo's were refunded at new market prices..if you wanted to keep your bpo you then bought it back..if not then u made a bunch of aur... the increase in aur because of bpo conversion and price increase has already occurred it did so in mid january..i personally had loads of duplicates of bpo's and bought 1 copy of each back and made about triple aur when that happened 30 aur to 1200 aur to 19800 aur or something like that
I think the price change happened in open beta then. Somewhere in January but it did happen. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.23 22:25:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Thor McStrut wrote:
And they used to advertise Ghost Training in Eve as a Feature. Then, when they realized it was hitting them in the wallet, they back-peddled, and called it an Unintentional Bug that was getting fixed.
I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I'm saying that they will do what they think best for their bottom line. If we as players could at least force a compromise, to limit our loss, then that will be the best for all of us.
Then CCP just straight up lies to their customers. Why would they allow that post if they knew that in less than a month later they were going to say BPOs where going to go away. And why would they use the fact that the 10 yr CE came with BPOs for DUST? That would mean it was lie, and could be punishable because it can be argued that it caused damages. Would I have payed real money to get the BPOs that they were pushing because of them being removed from the market, if I knew that under a month later they were going to announce that they were thinking of getting rid of them? No, so right there that causes me distress. Either way lying as a company is far worse for a bottom line than a few BPOs are.
You really should read dust's and Sonys EULA. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.23 22:38:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Thor McStrut wrote:
And they used to advertise Ghost Training in Eve as a Feature. Then, when they realized it was hitting them in the wallet, they back-peddled, and called it an Unintentional Bug that was getting fixed.
I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I'm saying that they will do what they think best for their bottom line. If we as players could at least force a compromise, to limit our loss, then that will be the best for all of us.
Then CCP just straight up lies to their customers. Why would they allow that post if they knew that in less than a month later they were going to say BPOs where going to go away. And why would they use the fact that the 10 yr CE came with BPOs for DUST? That would mean it was lie, and could be punishable because it can be argued that it caused damages. Would I have payed real money to get the BPOs that they were pushing because of them being removed from the market, if I knew that under a month later they were going to announce that they were thinking of getting rid of them? No, so right there that causes me distress. Either way lying as a company is far worse for a bottom line than a few BPOs are. You really should read dust's and Sonys EULA. And you should read about some cases where companies purposefully mislead customers.
How about instead of ignoring me go read something in which you signed blindly like an idiot. Also you should look up some of the cases against sony (None of them were successful even though they had very valid reason in doing so. You know what fked them over? Their EULA which they signed blindly too) |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.23 23:15:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:My beef is about the deceptive practices, not the actual items. You can't EULA away lying to your customers when real money is involved. If CCP knew that they were going to announce they want to get rid of BPOs, then don't scam people into buying them right before you announce that. And don't expect people to be fine with it either when you do.
Everyone knew once the open market came that the BPOs would change. Also the reason why BPOs were taken off with little notice is because of the new EP which promised to get the open market up ASAP. It's not like CCP is doing this to fk you over. They're doing this so they can finally get this game where it was supposed to be months ago.
Oh and BPOs are coming back just in a different way (Probably more like how EVEs BPOs work. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
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Posted - 2013.10.23 23:43:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Rowdy Railgunner wrote:My beef is about the deceptive practices, not the actual items. You can't EULA away lying to your customers when real money is involved. If CCP knew that they were going to announce they want to get rid of BPOs, then don't scam people into buying them right before you announce that. And don't expect people to be fine with it either when you do. Everyone knew once the open market came that the BPOs would change. Also the reason why BPOs were taken off with little notice is because of the new EP which promised to get the open market up ASAP. It's not like CCP is doing this to fk you over. They're doing this so they can finally get this game where it was supposed to be months ago. Oh and BPOs are coming back just in a different way (Probably more like how EVEs BPOs work. Then don't tell your customers to buy these items today, while withholding the fact that you are going to be removing them tomorrow. Do you see my point, or are you arguing against me just because you don't like me?
1. This is the first time I've seen you so I really don't have an opinion of you yet
2. CCP probably didn't think that the open market was coming any time soon. The new EP was just hired a little over a month ago. Also they gave you a months notice that the BPOs were going to be removed from the market temporarily. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.24 01:10:00 -
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Slag Emberforge wrote:Until BPOs cover the advanced or proto level gear and compete for top ranking by simply showing up and throwing clones at the enemy until victory, they are not game breaking. The only aspect which really changes the dynamic vs f2p players is that they are untraceable, which is a problem.
If ccp would of let the bpo situation resolve itself it would of through trading, and also generated them more revenue.
All I see is a bunch of free to play whiners.
I'm not claiming to be an economist but I do know that free items in any economy hurts it. Whether it's small or big it still has a bad effect on the economy. In which if there was even the slightest chance of hurting the economy I doubt CCP would risk it because it could ruin EVE since the economy is one of the biggest selling points of EVE. |
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Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.24 09:23:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:I think this idea is perfect.
Still, they need to return all my money I ever spend on BPOs into my PSN wallet.
Sony would refund you the original amount since it would be going onto PSN and your dust account would most likely be wiped by CCP. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.24 09:34:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:I think this idea is perfect.
Still, they need to return all my money I ever spend on BPOs into my PSN wallet. Sony would refund you the original amount since it would be going onto PSN and your dust account would most likely be wiped by CCP. My sides. You Dust University guys are so hilarious with your stupid ideas. I mean, this would be even better, so I would also get all my money spend for boosters and everything else back. Won't happen though. :(
How would that be better unless you were planning on leaving dust (in which I would happily not mind if you do as long as you leave me your isk  )
Also I have heard of people who have contacted Sony to get a refund before. |
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