The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.

As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.

I want to share my BPOs with friends. Not for profit, but a couple of them I'm never going to use and I'd just like to pass them on to friends who will be able to make use of them.

Please remove your post. The system locked me up for 30 seconds preventing me from posting the second reply for the official vote.

How am I meant to do this?

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If it's an unofficial vote why bother liking for a vote to count?

lol, you are just farming likes here. Use http://strawpoll.me/ for the poll

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Why were BPO's put into the game like this in the first place?

Don't pretend you didn't know exactly what the outcome would be.

Hey! Thanks for this post. I do want to make clear that we are very aware and are at attention about this issue. This is something that we have been processing for a while and want to ultimately make a decision that is best for the game and you; the players! Please leave your feedback here! Voting is great, but articulated feedback is extremely appreciated!

Thank you!

Hey! Thanks for this post. I do want to make clear that we are very aware and are at attention about this issue. This is something that we have been processing for a while and want to ultimately make a decision that is best for the game and you; the players! Please leave your feedback here! Voting is great, but articulated feedback is extremely appreciated!

Thank you!

Hey! Thanks for this post. I do want to make clear that we are very aware and are at attention about this issue. This is something that we have been processing for a while and want to ultimately make a decision that is best for the game and you; the players! Please leave your feedback here! Voting is great, but articulated feedback is extremely appreciated!

Thank you!

Guys, keep the discussion limited to the thread referenced by CCP. This thread is strictly for voting purposes only.

Right.... I just copy and paste then... still... not sure how to vote... if you read my answer......

It's obvious original poster does not understand that games are not developed by democracy for good reason.

I just feel like when I asked for a refund for my BPO suits...they should have given it to me...before I speced into them just so I could get some use out of them.

My point, Maken, is that just because players want it, even overwhelmingly want it, doesn't mean it's actually a good idea.

I know this may sound simplistic and not complicated enough ....

But ,why can we just use ISK to restock BPO's ?.... i will be happy just having the cosmetic look. Maybe just a bit less ISK to restock them.

If you were around back then during the transition from closed beta to open beta, you would know why CCP had to NOT give the AURUM refund (except for UVTs and Boosters). A few elite players would have had tons of AURUM in their wallets magically appear without spending more cash.

If selling/trading BPO's is bad, why does it work so well in EVE?

Because BPO's in EVE are not even remotely similar in any fashion to BPO's in DUST?

Everything in EVE costs actual resources to create. A ship BPO doesn't mean you have infinite ships. It means you can create infinite ships with that BPO, for a resource cost, at a production facility, over a duration of production time. And those BPOs can be optimized to reduce resource cost, construction time, etc. But each ship costs resources to construct, and time to construct it. BPC's in EVE, meanwhile, let you build only a select number of things.

The problem with DUST BPO's, is they cost nothing to use. There is no cost of materials, it just spawns you items on the field.

This huge dissimilarity indicates why saying "It works in EVE!" is about as good of an argument as "Bananas are fruit!" Because if BPOs in EVE are bananas, than BPOs in DUST are the color three. There's simply no comparison there.

Hey! Thanks for this post. I do want to make clear that we are very aware and are at attention about this issue. This is something that we have been processing for a while and want to ultimately make a decision that is best for the game and you; the players! Please leave your feedback here! Voting is great, but articulated feedback is extremely appreciated!

Thank you!

Back when the redeemable items window was limited to (I think) 20 items and people (myself included) began losing items that were being issued for participating in events I straight away assigned all my items to my main character so they had room to give me my stuff.

This combined with the fact that second and third character slots are rendered redundant by the free2play and the free PSN account and the passive sp gain restriction to 1 character making it not worth creating a second character, but instead creating a second PSN account.

And the fact that the Merc pack was the most economical method of buying boosters over the straight AUR packs, since you got a 30 day booster and enough AUR to buy (I think it was) 5 weeks of further boosters.

Leaves us with a situation where I (and I'm sure many others) have multiples of Exiles, Toxins, Skinweave sets, Dragonflies, I know people have multiple MAG sets from stocking up on boosters during that weekend and I don't doubt the list goes on with other 'event prize / Merc Pack bundle' BPOs.

If these aren't tradeable or at the VERY least donateable to corp hangers for new player recruites to make use of.

That's all related to them working in their current state, which CCP have said isn't good for the game, so all this about locking them to characters is the wrong topic to be discussed ... BPOs are blueprint originals ... a blueprint is a set of instructions that tell you how to make something ... it is not a box set of build your own IKEA bookshelf, there are no panels, no shelves, no stupid little jointing screws and no glue (ohh wait IKEA doesn't provide glue ... maybe their stuff would last more than 6 months if they did, but I digress).

Lt Royal made the only valid point in this thread, BPOs should be used with materials to install a manufacture job in your NPC station (as they do in Eve) ... you find or buy the materials off the market ... an NPC haulage corp can move them to your station at a small cost if you have no Eve access ... and you install the job, come back in 17 hours 24 minutes and 51 seconds and hey presto you have a batch of 100 Exiles for the low low cost of a few hundred isks worth of materials that you can use or sell on the market to others for a profit.

By the way I didn't vote since I don't contribute to like farms ... I only vote in official CCP voting threads when they want a consensus ... Lt Royal got my like for having the RIGHT idea.

PS. I will post this in the other thread also, before you ask.

The problem with voting is that you learn what the majority of people want and then when you go and completely ignore the result it's obvious and you look bad.

I was, and a few people I know got refunds. They sent in help tickets and CCP refunded their Aur. I did the same but CCP said no. So I speced Into scout.

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OFFICIAL VOTE #1 = In favor of letting players freely trade their BPOs with other players once the secondary market arrives.

You probably missed a deadline or something. I don't know.

I see the point that you're making. I'm actually all for making the BPOs require some kind of material for production just like Eve Online BPOs, which means anyone who has them will be in a position of influence since the BPOs have unlimited runs compared to the copies and since there will be no more BPOs like them in the market.

I vote on this
no like for you

All BPOs need to be either:
- fully tradeable
- refunded for CASH, not AUR not ISK but cash

It's one thing with the suits from bundles or prizes but the modules we own were bought with cash.
Having a promotional campaign on BPOs 1 week before all this crap kicked off is naive at best and underhand regardless.

BPOs are a way to convert real money into isk (as are boosters) - they've had the money under the point of sale slogan "Blueprints are not consumable and will never run out".

Dust is a " long game" STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS (Grrr)

Too emotional : didn't read - option 1

I would say a middle ground to these two positions would be to allow a single transfer of the BPOs and then have them locked. Another option may be to unassign the BPOs so they can at least be spread out amongst a players alts on that PSN.

I would say a middle ground to these two positions would be to allow a single transfer of the BPOs and then have them locked. Another option may be to unassign the BPOs so they can at least be spread out amongst a players alts on that PSN.

Is there any way you can get CCP Cmdr Wang to start another CCP-sanctioned vote? I miss those days.

I would say a middle ground to these two positions would be to allow a single transfer of the BPOs and then have them locked. Another option may be to unassign the BPOs so they can at least be spread out amongst a players alts on that PSN.

Single trading on assets doesn't strike me as a free player market model. If people don't like BPOs that there opinion, but to limitwhat others can do with their own assets because of someone else' s personal preferences, especially when someone has had to pay real money for that asset, is unfair. People should be able to trade BPOs for aurmn only, not ISK, that's a balanced medium.

Single trading on assets doesn't strike me as a free player market model. If people don't like BPOs that there opinion, but to limitwhat others can do with their own assets because of someone else' s personal preferences, especially when someone has had to pay real money for that asset, is unfair. People should be able to trade BPOs for aurmn only, not ISK, that's a balanced medium.

Thanks again Maken Tosch for doing this for the rest of us.

We'll for 1 this ^....I hate to say some 0ne told us so about what was going to happen when the new Ep started but they told us so and the CPM's had the nerve to give him grief for it....2ndly after being CCP's nerf project for the last 4 months altering my ability to use or trade my BPO in anyway really seams like it would be the final straw that breaks the camel's back and stops me from playing this game.... I bought the elite pack specifically for the bpo and was going to get the eve collectors edition as well for the same reason but given the current state of affairs at cpp I think I will save the cash and use it on other games.

I am currently nearing the 20m sp mark and will be at the 200m isk mark soon enough there is no pay out you could offer me in return for my bpo's that I would be happy with unless its COLD HARD CASH(silver preferred lol) just in case you were wondering and I will be putting in a ticket with CCP and Sony asking for such if they are removed.

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OFFICIAL VOTE #1 = In favor of letting players freely trade their BPOs with other players once the secondary market arrives.

I have spent over $500 supporting Dust 514, including the purchase of around 10 merc packs (I have several copies of the same BPOs as a result), the veteran pack, the elite pack, and my recent pre-order purchase of the EVE Second Decade anniversary collection. Most of my motivation for these purchases was to obtain BPOs, boosters, and AUR (for purchasing more boosters). What more do you want from me, CCP? Shouldn't I be able to use my property however I see fit, including the ability to gift, trade, and sell these items? What are you guys thinking?!

If you really want BPOs removed from the market then it's up to you to offer an open-ended and totally voluntary option for disposing of said BPOs that comes with an attractive perk like free omega boosters. Perhaps you can give us the option of converting BPOs to a large number of sellable BPCs. The boosters would be our reward for helping bring the economy in better balance by converting an unlimited run item into a number of consumable items. However, no BPO should ever be taken away from a player involuntarily. Never ever, CCP! I plan on keeping several of my BPOs forever!

I have spent over $500 supporting Dust 514, including the purchase of around 10 merc packs (I have several copies of the same BPOs as a result), the veteran pack, the elite pack, and my recent pre-order purchase of the EVE Second Decade anniversary collection. Most of my motivation for these purchases was to obtain BPOs, boosters, and AUR (for purchasing more boosters). What more do you want from me, CCP? Shouldn't I be able to use my property however I see fit, including the ability to gift, trade, and sell these items? What are you guys thinking?!

If you really want BPOs removed from the market then it's up to you to offer an open-ended and totally voluntary option for disposing of said BPOs that comes with an attractive perk like free omega boosters. Perhaps you can give us the option of converting BPOs to a large number of sellable BPCs. The boosters would be our reward for helping bring the economy in better balance by converting an unlimited run item into a number of consumable items. However, no BPO should ever be taken away from a player involuntarily. Never ever, CCP! I plan on keeping several of my BPOs forever!

With the amount of active players DUST has and the potential amount they could... The BPO numbers arent that staggering... and should be a commodity traded freely from players...


It will be much like EVE online with tech 2 BPO's that are no longer available to get... They are extremely limited and worth alot.

Most of the players who own the blueprint's still are ISK positive running full proto suit's and have hundreads of millions of isk stocked up...

The value of the BPO's will eventually far exceed what the value of the actual item lost thousands of time.

In that case, almost no one who owns the BPOs in Dust will sell them except for the excess. Once the excess becomes evenly distributed throughout the economy, all owners will hold onto their only copy for the rest of their lives because it helps them make more ISK faster.

Tell me, which choice would you pick?

A) Sell the BPO for 500 million ISK a piece.

B) Keep the BPO and rack up to billions of ISK more in savings for the rest of your character's life?

It's a no-brainer.

It will count within the context of this thread. But primarily it's to help grab CCP's attention. It worked before when CCP announced they were making changes to the weekly SP cap way back during the beta days. It should work once more for an issue that is very important to us right now.

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I changed the title of the thread to reduce confusion. Thank you for bring this to my attention.

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OFFICIAL VOTE #1 = In favor of letting players freely trade their BPOs with other players once the secondary market arrives.