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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.21 17:06:00 -
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Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1412884#post1412884
CCP LogiBro wrote: The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.
As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision.
Personally, I'm ok with having my BPOs locked into the character that I purchased them under so long as nothing else about them are changed in anyway, but that is just me. The community might say otherwise however. That said, I will be in my unbiased mood and help host another public vote just like the one I hosted earlier about the weekly SP cap from long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away.
How this will work is that I will post two replies down below. Each reply is basically one of two votes to cast. You can cast your vote by simply clicking on the "Like" button located on the top-right corner of each of the two replies. I will host this Public Vote for as long as it takes for CCP to notice.
The point of this vote is to get CCP's attention on the issue on whether or not our BPO that are in our hangars (which thankfully we get to keep) get character locked or stay opened for secondary market trading. This is also to help CCP better decide which direction to go for in such a short notice if there is no time to discuss it with the CPM first. It will be most appreciated if the members of the CPM post here for support.
Again, I will be as unbiased as possible while hosting this public vote as always. In addition to that, I will be moderating this thread. Here are the following rules:
1. Your vote will only count if you click the "Like" button in the two options given below. Your reply (although optional) will NOT count. 2. Keep any debates about this issue restricted to the following thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116404 3. Do not post any debates or arguments in this thread as this is strictly for voting purposes only. I don't want people to get distracted by troll posts on this thread. 4. Do not post any replies that are intended to siphon votes from the two main replies I post below. If you do, I will politely ask you to change your post.
Please cooperate if you guys want this to work.
===SEE BELOW===
===THE FOLLOWING TWO REPLIES ARE THE OFFICIAL VOTES===
===ALL OTHER REPLIES DON'T COUNT AS VOTES=== |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.21 17:06:00 -
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Reserved |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.21 17:07:00 -
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Reserved |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.21 17:07:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I want to share my BPOs with friends. Not for profit, but a couple of them I'm never going to use and I'd just like to pass them on to friends who will be able to make use of them.
Please remove your post. The system locked me up for 30 seconds preventing me from posting the second reply for the official vote. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4544
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Posted - 2013.10.21 17:15:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I want to share my BPOs with friends. Not for profit, but a couple of them I'm never going to use and I'd just like to pass them on to friends who will be able to make use of them. Please remove your post. The system locked me up for 30 seconds preventing me from posting the second reply for the official vote. How am I meant to do this?
OK then. I politely ask you to change your post in a way that doesn't confuse the voters. I don't want any votes to get accidentally siphoned. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.21 17:22:00 -
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=======REMINDER===== You need to click the "like" button on the two official replies for your vote to count. ===================== |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4551
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Posted - 2013.10.21 17:33:00 -
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Hellkeizer wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:=======REMINDER===== You need to click the "like" button on the two official replies for your vote to count. ===================== If it's an unofficial vote why bother liking for a vote to count?
It will count within the context of this thread. But primarily it's to help grab CCP's attention. It worked before when CCP announced they were making changes to the weekly SP cap way back during the beta days. It should work once more for an issue that is very important to us right now.
EDIT:
I changed the title of the thread to reduce confusion. Thank you for bring this to my attention. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.21 17:38:00 -
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Honestly I don't care about the likes. I'm doing this for the sake of helping CCP get an understanding of what the player base wants or feels about the issue of BPOs.
This is a very important topic that affects you and me and I don't want this thread to stray off by something as trivial as "me wanting to farm likes". |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.21 17:50:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:Hey! Thanks for this post. I do want to make clear that we are very aware and are at attention about this issue. This is something that we have been processing for a while and want to ultimately make a decision that is best for the game and you; the players! Please leave your feedback here! Voting is great, but articulated feedback is extremely appreciated! Thank you!
Yay! Blue Post!
You are correct that articulated feedback is better than a vote, but I guess it wouldn't hurt having both. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4562
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Posted - 2013.10.21 17:54:00 -
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Guys, keep the discussion limited to the thread referenced by CCP. This thread is strictly for voting purposes only. |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4564
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Posted - 2013.10.21 18:01:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Guys, keep the discussion limited to the thread referenced by CCP. This thread is strictly for voting purposes only. Right.... I just copy and paste then... still... not sure how to vote... if you read my answer......
Just click the "like" button on one of the two official votes I posted below the OP. If you are still unsure, then bring it up with CCP in the thread referenced. Or better yet, get in touch with the CPM. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4564
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Posted - 2013.10.21 18:07:00 -
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This would be a whole lot easier if CCP Foxfour hosted this poll. He would be that much closer to changing his name to CCP Soxfour very quickly.
Come one, Foxfour. You know you want it. XD |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4580
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Posted - 2013.10.21 18:38:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:It's obvious original poster does not understand that games are not developed by democracy for good reason.
Yet, CCP is kind enough to get our feedback first. I understand this is not really a democracy and this thread is in no way intended to force CCP's hand in anything. This is just to give them an idea on what to do that is in the best interest of the players and the game given the current situation with the BPOs.
CCP Cmdr Wang made a similar public vote that made my initial efforts official and therefore players felt they have more power. But in the end, CCP is mainly a benevolent dictatorship. Meaning, every decision they make is final, but they do take into consideration what we are looking for. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4580
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Posted - 2013.10.21 18:52:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:I just feel like when I asked for a refund for my BPO suits...they should have given it to me...before I speced into them just so I could get some use out of them.
If you were around back then during the transition from closed beta to open beta, you would know why CCP had to NOT give the AURUM refund (except for UVTs and Boosters). A few elite players would have had tons of AURUM in their wallets magically appear without spending more cash. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4604
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:27:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Back when the redeemable items window was limited to (I think) 20 items and people (myself included) began losing items that were being issued for participating in events I straight away assigned all my items to my main character so they had room to give me my stuff.
This combined with the fact that second and third character slots are rendered redundant by the free2play and the free PSN account and the passive sp gain restriction to 1 character making it not worth creating a second character, but instead creating a second PSN account.
And the fact that the Merc pack was the most economical method of buying boosters over the straight AUR packs, since you got a 30 day booster and enough AUR to buy (I think it was) 5 weeks of further boosters.
Leaves us with a situation where I (and I'm sure many others) have multiples of Exiles, Toxins, Skinweave sets, Dragonflies, I know people have multiple MAG sets from stocking up on boosters during that weekend and I don't doubt the list goes on with other 'event prize / Merc Pack bundle' BPOs.
If these aren't tradeable or at the VERY least donateable to corp hangers for new player recruites to make use of.
That's all related to them working in their current state, which CCP have said isn't good for the game, so all this about locking them to characters is the wrong topic to be discussed ... BPOs are blueprint originals ... a blueprint is a set of instructions that tell you how to make something ... it is not a box set of build your own IKEA bookshelf, there are no panels, no shelves, no stupid little jointing screws and no glue (ohh wait IKEA doesn't provide glue ... maybe their stuff would last more than 6 months if they did, but I digress).
Lt Royal made the only valid point in this thread, BPOs should be used with materials to install a manufacture job in your NPC station (as they do in Eve) ... you find or buy the materials off the market ... an NPC haulage corp can move them to your station at a small cost if you have no Eve access ... and you install the job, come back in 17 hours 24 minutes and 51 seconds and hey presto you have a batch of 100 Exiles for the low low cost of a few hundred isks worth of materials that you can use or sell on the market to others for a profit.
By the way I didn't vote since I don't contribute to like farms ... I only vote in official CCP voting threads when they want a consensus ... Lt Royal got my like for having the RIGHT idea.
PS. I will post this in the other thread also, before you ask.
I see the point that you're making. I'm actually all for making the BPOs require some kind of material for production just like Eve Online BPOs, which means anyone who has them will be in a position of influence since the BPOs have unlimited runs compared to the copies and since there will be no more BPOs like them in the market. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:29:00 -
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Aran Abbas wrote:CCP Mintchip wrote:Hey! Thanks for this post. I do want to make clear that we are very aware and are at attention about this issue. This is something that we have been processing for a while and want to ultimately make a decision that is best for the game and you; the players! Please leave your feedback here! Voting is great, but articulated feedback is extremely appreciated! Thank you! The problem with voting is that you learn what the majority of people want and then when you go and completely ignore the result it's obvious and you look bad.
On the other hand, constructive feedback can actually provide much more insight into the minds of the players compared to votes. However, it's nice to have both constructive feedback and tallied votes at the same time so that one can see the bigger picture. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4608
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:32:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:I just feel like when I asked for a refund for my BPO suits...they should have given it to me...before I speced into them just so I could get some use out of them. If you were around back then during the transition from closed beta to open beta, you would know why CCP had to NOT give the AURUM refund (except for UVTs and Boosters). A few elite players would have had tons of AURUM in their wallets magically appear without spending more cash. I was, and a few people I know got refunds. They sent in help tickets and CCP refunded their Aur. I did the same but CCP said no. So I speced Into scout.
You probably missed a deadline or something. I don't know. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4617
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:50:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:========================VOTE===========================
OFFICIAL VOTE #1 = In favor of letting players freely trade their BPOs with other players once the secondary market arrives. I vote on this no like for you
Again, I don't care about the likes on a personal level. Besides, I already got a ton of likes. What difference will a few extra likes make for me as an individual? None.
Some would usually go with typing in their support rather than clicking a "like" button, but the "like" system is the easiest and more manageable way of tallying votes without having to tediously count yes/no votes manually. Can you imagine have to count hundreds of votes in a single threadnaught? It's no fun.
With "likes", you can see the results immediately.
By the way, if you don't click like, your vote won't count. I appreciate your effort in voting, but your vote needs to be tallied effectively. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4617
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:52:00 -
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Foo Fighting wrote:All BPOs need to be either: - fully tradeable - refunded for CASH, not AUR not ISK but cash
It's one thing with the suits from bundles or prizes but the modules we own were bought with cash. Having a promotional campaign on BPOs 1 week before all this crap kicked off is naive at best and underhand regardless.
BPOs are a way to convert real money into isk (as are boosters) - they've had the money under the point of sale slogan "Blueprints are not consumable and will never run out".
Dust is a " long game" STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS (Grrr)
Too emotional : didn't read - option 1
You need to click the like button of the option of your choice for you vote to count. This way, votes can be tallied effectively. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4617
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:55:00 -
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===========REMINDER=============
I really don't care which vote you people go for so long as you vote. Whichever vote you like, I will respect it all the way. And whatever the conclusion of the vote may be, I will respect it as well even if it's not what I like.
I'm trying to be unbiased over here in order to maintain this thread in an orderly fashion. Since I'm pseudo-moderating this thread on my own, I am not counting my own vote. |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:17:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I would say a middle ground to these two positions would be to allow a single transfer of the BPOs and then have them locked. Another option may be to unassign the BPOs so they can at least be spread out amongst a players alts on that PSN.
Is there any way you can get CCP Cmdr Wang to start another CCP-sanctioned vote? I miss those days. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:46:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Kain Spero wrote:I would say a middle ground to these two positions would be to allow a single transfer of the BPOs and then have them locked. Another option may be to unassign the BPOs so they can at least be spread out amongst a players alts on that PSN. Single trading on assets doesn't strike me as a free player market model. If people don't like BPOs that there opinion, but to limitwhat others can do with their own assets because of someone else' s personal preferences, especially when someone has had to pay real money for that asset, is unfair. People should be able to trade BPOs for aurmn only, not ISK, that's a balanced medium.
Actually, BPOs for ISK is a balanced medium.
Take a look at the PLEX market in Eve Online. Just like the BPOs, PLEX requires real-world cash to obtain. PLEX is then either converted to AURUM for vanity items or sold to another player for ISK (current market price of 650,000,000 ISK per 30-day PLEX unit). So far the PLEX system is completely balanced.
BPOs in Dust, assuming NO changes to their stats occur, can become a powerful tool especially given the fact that there will be no more BPOs available from any sources other than the players who stockpiled on them earlier. Players who have them will be in a position of power or influence if they somehow become linked to industry such as requiring materials in addition to the BPO in order to produce an item from it. Not that it's a bad or anything. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4635
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:12:00 -
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Current Vote as right now at the time of this reply:
#1 - 68 votes #2 - 14 votes
Again, this thread will continue to run for as long as a week if needed to make sure enough people have voted. I know CCP is watching this thread and so are the CPM members. So keep those votes coming, folks. Let your corp mates know about this thread. We need to spread the word as much as possible. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:16:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:Thanks again Maken Tosch for doing this for the rest of us.
No problem. Whatever it takes to get your point across. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4650
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:21:00 -
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Bump to keep in front page. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:49:00 -
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@KING @Yelhsa
I hope you two remembered to click the like button on one of the two voting options. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:54:00 -
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SirManBoy wrote:I have spent over $500 supporting Dust 514, including the purchase of around 10 merc packs (I have several copies of the same BPOs as a result), the veteran pack, the elite pack, and my recent pre-order purchase of the EVE Second Decade anniversary collection. Most of my motivation for these purchases was to obtain BPOs, boosters, and AUR (for purchasing more boosters). What more do you want from me, CCP? Shouldn't I be able to use my property however I see fit, including the ability to gift, trade, and sell these items? What are you guys thinking?!
If you really want BPOs removed from the market then it's up to you to offer an open-ended and totally voluntary option for disposing of said BPOs that comes with an attractive perk like free omega boosters. Perhaps you can give us the option of converting BPOs to a large number of sellable BPCs. The boosters would be our reward for helping bring the economy in better balance by converting an unlimited run item into a number of consumable items. However, no BPO should ever be taken away from a player involuntarily. Never ever, CCP! I plan on keeping several of my BPOs forever!
I understand your concerns. This is why I started this public vote. CCP needs to see where we stand as a community. Thankfully seeing the votes tallied in likes gives CCP immediate results. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4664
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:17:00 -
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Bump |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.22 17:15:00 -
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Current Tally at the time of this reply:
Vote #1 = 97 Vote #2 = 15 |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4677
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Posted - 2013.10.22 17:33:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:With the amount of active players DUST has and the potential amount they could... The BPO numbers arent that staggering... and should be a commodity traded freely from players...
It will be much like EVE online with tech 2 BPO's that are no longer available to get... They are extremely limited and worth alot.
Most of the players who own the blueprint's still are ISK positive running full proto suit's and have hundreads of millions of isk stocked up...
The value of the BPO's will eventually far exceed what the value of the actual item lost thousands of time.
In that case, almost no one who owns the BPOs in Dust will sell them except for the excess. Once the excess becomes evenly distributed throughout the economy, all owners will hold onto their only copy for the rest of their lives because it helps them make more ISK faster.
Tell me, which choice would you pick?
A) Sell the BPO for 500 million ISK a piece.
B) Keep the BPO and rack up to billions of ISK more in savings for the rest of your character's life?
It's a no-brainer. |
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