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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4617
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:50:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:========================VOTE===========================
OFFICIAL VOTE #1 = In favor of letting players freely trade their BPOs with other players once the secondary market arrives. I vote on this no like for you
Again, I don't care about the likes on a personal level. Besides, I already got a ton of likes. What difference will a few extra likes make for me as an individual? None.
Some would usually go with typing in their support rather than clicking a "like" button, but the "like" system is the easiest and more manageable way of tallying votes without having to tediously count yes/no votes manually. Can you imagine have to count hundreds of votes in a single threadnaught? It's no fun.
With "likes", you can see the results immediately.
By the way, if you don't click like, your vote won't count. I appreciate your effort in voting, but your vote needs to be tallied effectively. |
Foo Fighting
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
15
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:50:00 -
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All BPOs need to be either: - fully tradeable - refunded for CASH, not AUR not ISK but cash
It's one thing with the suits from bundles or prizes but the modules we own were bought with cash. Having a promotional campaign on BPOs 1 week before all this crap kicked off is naive at best and underhand regardless.
BPOs are a way to convert real money into isk (as are boosters) - they've had the money under the point of sale slogan "Blueprints are not consumable and will never run out".
Dust is a " long game" STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS (Grrr)
Too emotional : didn't read - option 1 |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4617
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:52:00 -
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Foo Fighting wrote:All BPOs need to be either: - fully tradeable - refunded for CASH, not AUR not ISK but cash
It's one thing with the suits from bundles or prizes but the modules we own were bought with cash. Having a promotional campaign on BPOs 1 week before all this crap kicked off is naive at best and underhand regardless.
BPOs are a way to convert real money into isk (as are boosters) - they've had the money under the point of sale slogan "Blueprints are not consumable and will never run out".
Dust is a " long game" STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS (Grrr)
Too emotional : didn't read - option 1
You need to click the like button of the option of your choice for you vote to count. This way, votes can be tallied effectively. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4617
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:55:00 -
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===========REMINDER=============
I really don't care which vote you people go for so long as you vote. Whichever vote you like, I will respect it all the way. And whatever the conclusion of the vote may be, I will respect it as well even if it's not what I like.
I'm trying to be unbiased over here in order to maintain this thread in an orderly fashion. Since I'm pseudo-moderating this thread on my own, I am not counting my own vote. |
Foo Fighting
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
15
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:59:00 -
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I did but just fancied a rant while my headset charges :-P |
Kain Spero
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
2134
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:15:00 -
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I would say a middle ground to these two positions would be to allow a single transfer of the BPOs and then have them locked. Another option may be to unassign the BPOs so they can at least be spread out amongst a players alts on that PSN. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4621
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:17:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I would say a middle ground to these two positions would be to allow a single transfer of the BPOs and then have them locked. Another option may be to unassign the BPOs so they can at least be spread out amongst a players alts on that PSN.
Is there any way you can get CCP Cmdr Wang to start another CCP-sanctioned vote? I miss those days. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
532
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:23:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I would say a middle ground to these two positions would be to allow a single transfer of the BPOs and then have them locked. Another option may be to unassign the BPOs so they can at least be spread out amongst a players alts on that PSN. As I said ... alts on the same PSN account are worthless given the free2play, free PSN accounts and single character passive sp gain.
Why would you create an alt when you can have an alt account with it's own passive gain ?
Though I understand you're trying to find a middle ground, making them unassigned would be worthless in most cases.
ALL we need is a confirmation from CCP that these will still be valuable in the future in a manufacturing role, even if they are modified in the short term to require a small (much lower than equivalent) isk cost per use. I f we know they will eventually become the Eve T2 BPO equivalents for DUST, we'll be happy with the modification. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
532
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:24:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Kain Spero wrote:I would say a middle ground to these two positions would be to allow a single transfer of the BPOs and then have them locked. Another option may be to unassign the BPOs so they can at least be spread out amongst a players alts on that PSN. Is there any way you can get CCP Cmdr Wang to start another CCP-sanctioned vote? I miss those days. That I'll give you a like for ! |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:25:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I would say a middle ground to these two positions would be to allow a single transfer of the BPOs and then have them locked. Another option may be to unassign the BPOs so they can at least be spread out amongst a players alts on that PSN. Single trading on assets doesn't strike me as a free player market model. If people don't like BPOs that there opinion, but to limitwhat others can do with their own assets because of someone else' s personal preferences, especially when someone has had to pay real money for that asset, is unfair. People should be able to trade BPOs for aurmn only, not ISK, that's a balanced medium. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3451
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:26:00 -
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BPO's need to be produced with consumption of materials like they are EVE side. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
532
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:31:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Kain Spero wrote:I would say a middle ground to these two positions would be to allow a single transfer of the BPOs and then have them locked. Another option may be to unassign the BPOs so they can at least be spread out amongst a players alts on that PSN. Single trading on assets doesn't strike me as a free player market model. If people don't like BPOs that there opinion, but to limitwhat others can do with their own assets because of someone else' s personal preferences, especially when someone has had to pay real money for that asset, is unfair. People should be able to trade BPOs for aurmn only, not ISK, that's a balanced medium. You can't trade items for AUR in Eve ... and you won't in DUST either ... that would drastically cut the revenue from AUR.
The only exception in Eve is PLEX which can be converted to AUR, but that isn't technically an ingame item, it's in a grey area where it can be traded ingame for isk, but is still a real money currency that you can use to pay your subscription or convert into AUR to buy ingame vanity items etc.
Edit : PLEX is "THE MOST VERSATILE ITEM IN ONLINE GAMING" (sry caps quoted) ... I don't doubt it will eventually come to DUST where you might be able to pay for character transfers and sell for isk with the integrated Eve market, or use to convert into AUR etc. etc. |
Rowdy Railgunner
TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN.
75
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:36:00 -
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I find it funny that I hear people talking and make a sarcastic troll post about what is being discussed and people go ape. Now that there is a confirmed DEV post about it so many people are changing their tune.
I voted to not have them locked BTW. I don't feel that any change should come to BPOs, because unlike what everyone in my other post thinks, I actually have a great bit of them and would rather that they are not changed and or locked to my character because I would like to get rid of a few doubles. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4630
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:46:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Kain Spero wrote:I would say a middle ground to these two positions would be to allow a single transfer of the BPOs and then have them locked. Another option may be to unassign the BPOs so they can at least be spread out amongst a players alts on that PSN. Single trading on assets doesn't strike me as a free player market model. If people don't like BPOs that there opinion, but to limitwhat others can do with their own assets because of someone else' s personal preferences, especially when someone has had to pay real money for that asset, is unfair. People should be able to trade BPOs for aurmn only, not ISK, that's a balanced medium.
Actually, BPOs for ISK is a balanced medium.
Take a look at the PLEX market in Eve Online. Just like the BPOs, PLEX requires real-world cash to obtain. PLEX is then either converted to AURUM for vanity items or sold to another player for ISK (current market price of 650,000,000 ISK per 30-day PLEX unit). So far the PLEX system is completely balanced.
BPOs in Dust, assuming NO changes to their stats occur, can become a powerful tool especially given the fact that there will be no more BPOs available from any sources other than the players who stockpiled on them earlier. Players who have them will be in a position of power or influence if they somehow become linked to industry such as requiring materials in addition to the BPO in order to produce an item from it. Not that it's a bad or anything. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4635
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:12:00 -
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Current Vote as right now at the time of this reply:
#1 - 68 votes #2 - 14 votes
Again, this thread will continue to run for as long as a week if needed to make sure enough people have voted. I know CCP is watching this thread and so are the CPM members. So keep those votes coming, folks. Let your corp mates know about this thread. We need to spread the word as much as possible. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4635
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:16:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:Thanks again Maken Tosch for doing this for the rest of us.
No problem. Whatever it takes to get your point across. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1891
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:18:00 -
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My vote is for the weekly sp rollover system
Wait what were we voting for? |
Egypt Musk
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
30
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:21:00 -
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Egypt Musk wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:I'm actually somewhat worried about this... The guy worked on Battlefield Play4Free and Need for Speed World. We just got rid of murder taxi's, for one, and Battlefield Play4Free was a travesty. Hell, just look at the metacritic score (or better yet play the game) and you'll notice some red flags.
Okay, that might have come off as some rather heavy handed sarcasm but it is curious none the less. Let's be real here, the last thing we need is content that has a measurable impact on the battlefield that you can only obtain by paying money and since EA's answer to solving that over at BF:P4F was to abolish premium content that people paid MONEY for....
... and I know, you can't blame one person for the company's mistakes. But one good apple doesn't make a bunch edible. So, here's to hoping that none of EA's business practices wore off on the guy.
Either way, welcome to the team. We'll for 1 this ^....I hate to say some 0ne told us so about what was going to happen when the new Ep started but they told us so and the CPM's had the nerve to give him grief for it....2ndly after being CCP's nerf project for the last 4 months altering my ability to use or trade my BPO in anyway really seams like it would be the final straw that breaks the camel's back and stops me from playing this game.... I bought the elite pack specifically for the bpo and was going to get the eve collectors edition as well for the same reason but given the current state of affairs at cpp I think I will save the cash and use it on other games. I am currently nearing the 20m sp mark and will be at the 200m isk mark soon enough there is no pay out you could offer me in return for my bpo's that I would be happy with unless its COLD HARD CASH(silver preferred lol) just in case you were wondering and I will be putting in a ticket with CCP and Sony asking for such if they are removed.
Just in case some one missed my post in the actual thread here are my thoughts... and I think its clear what vote i placed |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4650
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:21:00 -
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Bump to keep in front page. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
3426
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:29:00 -
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Someone's trying to get Forum Warrior Lvl 5 |
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1990
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:31:00 -
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========================VOTE===========================
OFFICIAL VOTE #1 = In favor of letting players freely trade their BPOs with other players once the secondary market arrives. |
SirManBoy
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
314
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:48:00 -
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I have spent over $500 supporting Dust 514, including the purchase of around 10 merc packs (I have several copies of the same BPOs as a result), the veteran pack, the elite pack, and my recent pre-order purchase of the EVE Second Decade anniversary collection. Most of my motivation for these purchases was to obtain BPOs, boosters, and AUR (for purchasing more boosters). What more do you want from me, CCP? Shouldn't I be able to use my property however I see fit, including the ability to gift, trade, and sell these items? What are you guys thinking?!
If you really want BPOs removed from the market then it's up to you to offer an open-ended and totally voluntary option for disposing of said BPOs that comes with an attractive perk like free omega boosters. Perhaps you can give us the option of converting BPOs to a large number of sellable BPCs. The boosters would be our reward for helping bring the economy in better balance by converting an unlimited run item into a number of consumable items. However, no BPO should ever be taken away from a player involuntarily. Never ever, CCP! I plan on keeping several of my BPOs forever! |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:48:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:========================VOTE===========================
OFFICIAL VOTE #1 = In favor of letting players freely trade their BPOs with other players once the secondary market arrives.
Agreed |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:49:00 -
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SirManBoy wrote:I have spent over $500 supporting Dust 514, including the purchase of around 10 merc packs (I have several copies of the same BPOs as a result), the veteran pack, the elite pack, and my recent pre-order purchase of the EVE Second Decade anniversary collection. Most of my motivation for these purchases was to obtain BPOs, boosters, and AUR (for purchasing more boosters). What more do you want from me, CCP? Shouldn't I be able to use my property however I see fit, including the ability to gift, trade, and sell these items? What are you guys thinking?!
If you really want BPOs removed from the market then it's up to you to offer an open-ended and totally voluntary option for disposing of said BPOs that comes with an attractive perk like free omega boosters. Perhaps you can give us the option of converting BPOs to a large number of sellable BPCs. The boosters would be our reward for helping bring the economy in better balance by converting an unlimited run item into a number of consumable items. However, no BPO should ever be taken away from a player involuntarily. Never ever, CCP! I plan on keeping several of my BPOs forever!
^This |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4657
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:49:00 -
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@KING @Yelhsa
I hope you two remembered to click the like button on one of the two voting options. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4657
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:54:00 -
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SirManBoy wrote:I have spent over $500 supporting Dust 514, including the purchase of around 10 merc packs (I have several copies of the same BPOs as a result), the veteran pack, the elite pack, and my recent pre-order purchase of the EVE Second Decade anniversary collection. Most of my motivation for these purchases was to obtain BPOs, boosters, and AUR (for purchasing more boosters). What more do you want from me, CCP? Shouldn't I be able to use my property however I see fit, including the ability to gift, trade, and sell these items? What are you guys thinking?!
If you really want BPOs removed from the market then it's up to you to offer an open-ended and totally voluntary option for disposing of said BPOs that comes with an attractive perk like free omega boosters. Perhaps you can give us the option of converting BPOs to a large number of sellable BPCs. The boosters would be our reward for helping bring the economy in better balance by converting an unlimited run item into a number of consumable items. However, no BPO should ever be taken away from a player involuntarily. Never ever, CCP! I plan on keeping several of my BPOs forever!
I understand your concerns. This is why I started this public vote. CCP needs to see where we stand as a community. Thankfully seeing the votes tallied in likes gives CCP immediate results. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4664
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:17:00 -
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Bump |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4674
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Posted - 2013.10.22 17:15:00 -
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Current Tally at the time of this reply:
Vote #1 = 97 Vote #2 = 15 |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1184
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Posted - 2013.10.22 17:22:00 -
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========================VOTE===========================
OFFICIAL VOTE #1 = In favor of letting players freely trade their BPOs with other players once the secondary market arrives.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
211
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Posted - 2013.10.22 17:23:00 -
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With the amount of active players DUST has and the potential amount they could... The BPO numbers arent that staggering... and should be a commodity traded freely from players...
It will be much like EVE online with tech 2 BPO's that are no longer available to get... They are extremely limited and worth alot.
Most of the players who own the blueprint's still are ISK positive running full proto suit's and have hundreads of millions of isk stocked up...
The value of the BPO's will eventually far exceed what the value of the actual item lost thousands of time.
More of a risk versus reward system when pulling out Better then your BPO suit's would fix this problem much better then screwing over every customer who bought said item's usually specifically for the BPO.
Edit* And yes the consensus of players would think CCP screwed them over if those actions where taken... And that's really PR CCP can't afford right now. |
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