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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4544	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:06:00 - [1] - Quote Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1412884#post1412884 CCP LogiBro wrote: The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement. As far as trading of BPOs, that's not decided yet. I will be taking your feedback though. We'll let you know when we come to a decision. Personally, I'm ok with having my BPOs locked into the character that I purchased them under so long as nothing else about them are changed in anyway, but that is just me. The community might say otherwise however. That said, I will be in my unbiased mood and help host another public vote just like the one I hosted earlier about the weekly SP cap from long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away. How this will work is that I will post two replies down below. Each reply is basically one of two votes to cast. You can cast your vote by simply clicking on the "Like" button located on the top-right corner of each of the two replies. I will host this Public Vote for as long as it takes for CCP to notice. The point of this vote is to get CCP's attention on the issue on whether or not our BPO that are in our hangars (which thankfully we get to keep) get character locked or stay opened for secondary market trading. This is also to help CCP better decide which direction to go for in such a short notice if there is no time to discuss it with the CPM first. It will be most appreciated if the members of the CPM post here for support. Again, I will be as unbiased as possible while hosting this public vote as always. In addition to that, I will be moderating this thread. Here are the following rules: 1. Your vote will only count if you click the "Like" button in the two options given below. Your reply (although optional) will NOT count. 2. Keep any debates about this issue restricted to the following thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116404 3. Do not post any debates or arguments in this thread as this is strictly for voting purposes only. I don't want people to get distracted by troll posts on this thread. 4. Do not post any replies that are intended to siphon votes from the two main replies I post below. If you do, I will politely ask you to change your post. Please cooperate if you guys want this to work. ===SEE BELOW=== ===THE FOLLOWING TWO REPLIES ARE THE OFFICIAL VOTES=== ===ALL OTHER REPLIES DON'T COUNT AS VOTES===
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4544	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:06:00 - [2] - Quote Reserved
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4047	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:06:00 - [3] - Quote I want to share my BPOs with friends. Not for profit, but a couple of them I'm never going to use and I'd just like to pass them on to friends.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4544	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:07:00 - [4] - Quote Reserved
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4544	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:07:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I want to share my BPOs with friends. Not for profit, but a couple of them I'm never going to use and I'd just like to pass them on to friends who will be able to make use of them. Please remove your post. The system locked me up for 30 seconds preventing me from posting the second reply for the official vote.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4050	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:11:00 - [6] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I want to share my BPOs with friends. Not for profit, but a couple of them I'm never going to use and I'd just like to pass them on to friends who will be able to make use of them. Please remove your post. The system locked me up for 30 seconds preventing me from posting the second reply for the official vote. How am I meant to do this?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4544	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:15:00 - [7] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I want to share my BPOs with friends. Not for profit, but a couple of them I'm never going to use and I'd just like to pass them on to friends who will be able to make use of them. Please remove your post. The system locked me up for 30 seconds preventing me from posting the second reply for the official vote. How am I meant to do this? OK then. I politely ask you to change your post in a way that doesn't confuse the voters. I don't want any votes to get accidentally siphoned.
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2051	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:15:00 - [8] - Quote 1) IGÇÖm not sure that you can remove posts. 2) If so how? My Feedback I think BPO's should be eventually be made into how they work in EVE. That they require you to actually build the said items with materials. The materials could be gained through the PVE mechanics CCP have said they are working towards. This would then let us put the manufactured items up on the player controlled market for the prices we see fit. This would then make BPOGÇÖs very valuable to the people who have invested in the skills to manufacture those said items and useless to those who are not looking to skill into manufacturing apart from to sell upon the market. All in all this will add new meta game mechanics for people to undercut each other to sell their gear.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4546	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:22:00 - [9] - Quote =======REMINDER===== You need to click the "like" button on the two official replies for your vote to count. =====================
Jinx Rollin Commando Perkone Caldari State 32	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:28:00 - [10] - Quote I purchased 8 merc packs so have 8 toxins and 8 dragonfly BPO's so yes I would like a way to gift these to another character (don't care about selling them although would be a bonus, just someway to share with others would be nice)

Hellkeizer The Avutora Complex 161	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:31:00 - [11] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: =======REMINDER===== You need to click the "like" button on the two official replies for your vote to count. ===================== If it's an unofficial vote why bother liking for a vote to count?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4551	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:33:00 - [12] - Quote Hellkeizer wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: =======REMINDER===== You need to click the "like" button on the two official replies for your vote to count. ===================== If it's an unofficial vote why bother liking for a vote to count? It will count within the context of this thread. But primarily it's to help grab CCP's attention. It worked before when CCP announced they were making changes to the weekly SP cap way back during the beta days. It should work once more for an issue that is very important to us right now. EDIT: I changed the title of the thread to reduce confusion. Thank you for bring this to my attention.
JW v Weingarten MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 709	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:36:00 - [13] - Quote lol, you are just farming likes here. Use http://strawpoll.me/ for the poll
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4551	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:38:00 - [14] - Quote JW v Weingarten wrote: lol, you are just farming likes here. Use http://strawpoll.me/ for the poll Honestly I don't care about the likes. I'm doing this for the sake of helping CCP get an understanding of what the player base wants or feels about the issue of BPOs. This is a very important topic that affects you and me and I don't want this thread to stray off by something as trivial as "me wanting to farm likes".

CCP Mintchip C C P C C P Alliance 1701	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:43:00 - [15] - Quote Hey! Thanks for this post. I do want to make clear that we are very aware and are at attention about this issue. This is something that we have been processing for a while and want to ultimately make a decision that is best for the game and you; the players! Please leave your feedback here! Voting is great, but articulated feedback is extremely appreciated! Thank you! CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip Dust 514 Community Rep

Centurion mkII SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 148	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:47:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: Hey! Thanks for this post. I do want to make clear that we are very aware and are at attention about this issue. This is something that we have been processing for a while and want to ultimately make a decision that is best for the game and you; the players! Please leave your feedback here! Voting is great, but articulated feedback is extremely appreciated! Thank you! Url fail
Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1965	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:47:00 - [17] - Quote Why were BPO's put into the game like this in the first place? Don't pretend you didn't know exactly what the outcome would be.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 2070	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:49:00 - [18] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Why were BPO's put into the game like this in the first place? Don't pretend you didn't know exactly what the outcome would be. to get u to buy the merc packs... and it worked!! but that was then....
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4562	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:50:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: Hey! Thanks for this post. I do want to make clear that we are very aware and are at attention about this issue. This is something that we have been processing for a while and want to ultimately make a decision that is best for the game and you; the players! Please leave your feedback here! Voting is great, but articulated feedback is extremely appreciated! Thank you! Yay! Blue Post! You are correct that articulated feedback is better than a vote, but I guess it wouldn't hurt having both.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1875	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:51:00 - [20] - Quote I know this may sound simplistic and not complicated enough .... But ,why can we just use ISK to restock BPO's ?.... i will be happy just having the cosmetic look. Maybe just a bit less ISK to restock them.

Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1102	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:51:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: Hey! Thanks for this post. I do want to make clear that we are very aware and are at attention about this issue. This is something that we have been processing for a while and want to ultimately make a decision that is best for the game and you; the players! Please leave your feedback here! Voting is great, but articulated feedback is extremely appreciated! Thank you! Why don't you guys just add a poll system to the forums? Then people wouldn't have to articulate the same thing over and over again, they could just vote for a variety of articulations that the author posts. This would enhance feedback efficiency because you guys would be less bogged down reading troll posts, and could just get raw, unbiased statistics. Opinions are nice, but I could care less about why people feel the way they do. I just care about how they feel specifically about an issue. Though the "whys" are sometimes important too. Honestly I just don't like how these forums represent the collective work of thousands of writers over a year long period (far too much text to read and comprehend).
Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1965	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:51:00 - [22] - Quote Here is my problem. They knew EXACTLY what was going to happen with the BPO's, yet still sold the BPO's anyway. In fact anyone who has played more than a little EVE could tell you what would happen. Which means that the nerfing of said BPO's was also a planned function down the road. From the start, they intended on screwing over the early customers. The screwed up part is they SHOULD be nerfed. But that doesn't mean what transpired here isn't ten kinds of messed up.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4562	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:54:00 - [23] - Quote Guys, keep the discussion limited to the thread referenced by CCP. This thread is strictly for voting purposes only.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 716	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:56:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Mintchip wrote: Hey! Thanks for this post. I do want to make clear that we are very aware and are at attention about this issue. This is something that we have been processing for a while and want to ultimately make a decision that is best for the game and you; the players! Please leave your feedback here! Voting is great, but articulated feedback is extremely appreciated! Thank you! Well at the start of the game it was suggested that we were able to sell our BPO's at some point in the player market. I also don't see how free suits composed out of BPO's or the equivalent suit made of isk thats roughly worth 3000 isk can make a diffrence in isk consumed when the payout is equal to 60+ of those suits a match. If that was clearly comunicated to the players at open beta launch i would not have bought multiple packs of the same, first you collect when you pass start and now you send all the players who supported your game to jail with "locking" our BPO's. Looks like ill not be buying any packs anymore to support the game if this goes life and i was planning to get my hands on the 2700 suit War kit like i did the Dren pack (and ive never used any of em)
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1875	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:57:00 - [25] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Guys, keep the discussion limited to the thread referenced by CCP. This thread is strictly for voting purposes only. Right.... I just copy and paste then... still... not sure how to vote... if you read my answer......
GTA-V FTW Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 422	Posted - 2013.10.21 17:58:00 - [26] - Quote LMFAO Fail thread. Broke thread about a broke mechanic in a broke game = LMFAO
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4564	Posted - 2013.10.21 18:01:00 - [27] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Guys, keep the discussion limited to the thread referenced by CCP. This thread is strictly for voting purposes only. Right.... I just copy and paste then... still... not sure how to vote... if you read my answer...... Just click the "like" button on one of the two official votes I posted below the OP. If you are still unsure, then bring it up with CCP in the thread referenced. Or better yet, get in touch with the CPM.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4564	Posted - 2013.10.21 18:07:00 - [28] - Quote This would be a whole lot easier if CCP Foxfour hosted this poll. He would be that much closer to changing his name to CCP Soxfour very quickly. Come one, Foxfour. You know you want it. XD
Beyobi Savage Bullet 117	Posted - 2013.10.21 18:14:00 - [29] - Quote Bpo's should be tradeable. I have 2 sets of skinweave suits, 2 exile rifles that were given to me by ccp through participating in closed beta events. 2 MAG tribute sets, and 5 Gold Guristas LAV I purchased with money. I've heard of other people who purchased upwards of 10 sets of MAG tribute suits with the full intention of selling them later as that is the EvE thing to do. If BPO's become untradeable, will CCP offer a reimbursement of some kind for players with multiple Bpo's? If we can't sell them to other players, will we be able to share across characters on an account?
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 681	Posted - 2013.10.21 18:15:00 - [30] - Quote It's obvious original poster does not understand that games are not developed by democracy for good reason.



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