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Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2013.10.20 12:23:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Lol, CCP as usual. Big dreams. Awesome"vision". Sh*t development.
Good luck getting any of this in two years. If it is added it'll just get pulled for "rebalance".
CCP is at an all time laughable high.
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Rinzler XVII
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.10.20 12:53:00 -
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Sick and tired of Soon TM and hearing about stuff they hope to put in .... sorry CCP i honestly don;t want to hear about anything ... put it in the game or stfu ... |
Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2013.10.20 13:17:00 -
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Rinzler XVII wrote:Sick and tired of Soon TM and hearing about stuff they hope to put in .... sorry CCP i honestly don;t want to hear about anything ... put it in the game or stfu ...
Zup, im really interested in one thingie, what is soon for CCP. It was never soon. I just want proper progress with proper data and dates. Its easy. |
pyramidhead 420
Carbon 7 CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.10.20 13:44:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:1.8 ..ehm.. i saw this before already it was 1.5 and patching time and there will be another patch and another and ever and ever and ever.. still just promises, i dont se proper progress, just tinking with mechanics, nerfing buffing, patching, patching, boosting, nerfing and patching oncemore and everything withou any progress in already broken game.
I saw somewhere great idea and that idea was, turn off dust and start once again. ever notice nobody ever replies to your comments?..hint hint go away kid |
axis alpha
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:06:00 -
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Everything is cool but the one thing I've been waiting for and wish for ever since I seen it in one of the dust 514 trailers is ORBITAL ARTILLERY!!!!! **** YES!! Can't wait to see this in game. |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:07:00 -
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Just wanted to give a shout out to Foundation Seldon for posting the lecture (with time stamp), which I have linked in the OP +1 to your sir o7 |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:20:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Lol, CCP as usual. Big dreams. Awesome"vision". Sh*t development.
Good luck getting any of this in two years. If it is added it'll just get pulled for "rebalance".
CCP is at an all time laughable high.
not if they can pull off the player market 2.0 and at least the major FW changes as well as all suits by december... They have a window they can show me at least they can come through.
I was nice to see CCP say "Dust is not an mmo" I was like YEAH NO **** CCP and then they said "we're thiinking adding the mmo" me, HUZZAH! |
Eskel Bondfree
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:21:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Eskel Bondfree wrote:When CCP Preatorian said 'we need free roaming areas', I'm pretty sure he was talking about larger maps with more space for vehicles to move about, not about a new game mode outside of battles where players just wander around the map. No he was definitely talking about PvE. Where you land on your planet outside of battle and have fun without the redzone in the way. This feature has been talked about and featured in interviews for years. The mega terrian system will one day make sure our maps are one of kind. More like giant permade pieces randomly put together but still! Progress! Persistence maps! Hm, not sure but we might be talking about different parts of the presentation. What I know for sure is that the one time I heard 'free roaming' in the presentation, it was during the Q&A session when that last guy asked about skirmish 1.0. Preatorion explained that the corridor like gameplay of skirmish 1.0 was not their focus, and that they needed 'free roaming areas' for vehicles instead.
Anyhow, I sure hope we will be able to visit planets outside of battle one day, it would add greatly to the immersion and be an ideal environment for testing new gear and tactics. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:23:00 -
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Eskel Bondfree wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:Eskel Bondfree wrote:When CCP Preatorian said 'we need free roaming areas', I'm pretty sure he was talking about larger maps with more space for vehicles to move about, not about a new game mode outside of battles where players just wander around the map. No he was definitely talking about PvE. Where you land on your planet outside of battle and have fun without the redzone in the way. This feature has been talked about and featured in interviews for years. The mega terrian system will one day make sure our maps are one of kind. More like giant permade pieces randomly put together but still! Progress! Persistence maps! Hm, not sure but we might be talking about different parts of the presentation. What I know for sure is that the one time I heard 'free roaming' in the presentation, it was during the Q&A session when that last guy asked about skirmish 1.0. Preatorion explained that the corridor like gameplay of skirmish 1.0 was not their focus, and that they needed 'free roaming areas' for vehicles instead. Anyhow, I sure hope we will be able to visit planets outside of battle one day, it would add greatly to the immersion and be an ideal environment for testing new gear and tactics. Ok so the plan I heard was this.
PvE on planets
Rouge drones stop slavage used to create raw materials for ground combat.
send up to space for eve players to buy from you
Eve players create gear with those materials and they can be sold back to the dust community
But yeah I'm not holding my breath for PvE before next summer release. More important things to be done! |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:26:00 -
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Free roaming!!! FINALLY!!!
Seems like they're turning Dust into more of a sandbox like Eve...which is GREAT! |
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Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2016
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:28:00 -
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Roy Xkillerz wrote: Other point. Why not combine free roaming with PVE areas and mining?
Shakes head in disappointment that you would even consider mining in Dust, its boring enough in space!
Sam Tektzby wrote:1.8 ..ehm.. i saw this before already it was 1.5 and patching time and there will be another patch and another and ever and ever and ever.. still just promises, i dont se proper progress, just tinking with mechanics, nerfing buffing, patching, patching, boosting, nerfing and patching oncemore and everything withou any progress in already broken game.
What you said there is pretty much how successful games work, GÇ£tweaking mechanics, nerfing, patching, boosting and patchingGÇ¥. If Dust was released as a full complete title it would get rather boring and we (the players) wouldn't be able to get the game we wanted to play from our input to CCP. I mean; they have been doing the same thing with EVE Online for 10 years! Have faith my son!
Wilhelm Klingspor well remembered, I did forget to add in the bits about the Scout and Heavy suits! And updated, +1
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crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:33:00 -
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ugh it can hard to have fath when they ignore the community and have an unfinished game and are acting like it was ready for release... by unfinished I mean that's the impression people get when trying the game out and seeing odd things like missing racial suits and such.
But I know hopefully one day we'll look back and think, wow, dust used to be terrible thank goodness we're past that era ... |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:36:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:ugh it can hard to have fath when they ignore the community and have an unfinished game and are acting like it was ready for release... by unfinished I mean that's the impression people get when trying the game out and seeing odd things like missing racial suits and such.
But I know hopefully one day we'll look back and think, wow, dust used to be terrible thank goodness we're past that era ...
I don't think you realise how CCP designs games. Dust won't ever be "finished", just like Eve is never finished. They will always add features. And yes, that means not all features will be there from the start. Hell, there are things in Eve that NO ONE even thought about when the game first came out. |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2016
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:41:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:ugh it can hard to have fath when they ignore the community and have an unfinished game and are acting like it was ready for release... by unfinished I mean that's the impression people get when trying the game out and seeing odd things like missing racial suits and such.
But I know hopefully one day we'll look back and think, wow, dust used to be terrible thank goodness we're past that era ... I don't think you realise how CCP designs games. Dust won't ever be "finished", just like Eve is never finished. They will always add features. And yes, that means not all features will be there from the start. Hell, there are things in Eve that NO ONE even thought about when the game first came out.
I don't think the majority of the player base understand this, as they have been so used to console games being fully released and GÇ£finishedGÇ¥ apart from the here and there (expensive) DLCGÇÖs. |
Necandi Brasil
DUST BRASIL S.A
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:57:00 -
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soon (not SOONGäó) has been said many many times... I lost faith .... |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.20 15:57:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:ugh it can hard to have fath when they ignore the community and have an unfinished game and are acting like it was ready for release... by unfinished I mean that's the impression people get when trying the game out and seeing odd things like missing racial suits and such.
But I know hopefully one day we'll look back and think, wow, dust used to be terrible thank goodness we're past that era ... I don't think you realise how CCP designs games. Dust won't ever be "finished", just like Eve is never finished. They will always add features. And yes, that means not all features will be there from the start. Hell, there are things in Eve that NO ONE even thought about when the game first came out. I don't think the majority of the player base understand this, as they have been so used to console games being fully released and GÇ£finishedGÇ¥ apart from the here and there (expensive) DLCGÇÖs.
And that's the reason I'm still playing Eve after 10ish years while I hardly ever play other games that old. I hope they take the same approach with Dust and continuously improve it |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
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Posted - 2013.10.20 16:37:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:ugh it can hard to have fath when they ignore the community and have an unfinished game and are acting like it was ready for release... by unfinished I mean that's the impression people get when trying the game out and seeing odd things like missing racial suits and such.
But I know hopefully one day we'll look back and think, wow, dust used to be terrible thank goodness we're past that era ... I don't think you realise how CCP designs games. Dust won't ever be "finished", just like Eve is never finished. They will always add features. And yes, that means not all features will be there from the start. Hell, there are things in Eve that NO ONE even thought about when the game first came out.
I've been here since playing eve since beta don't lecture me. Was eve released with minmatar frigates but no minmatar weapons, randomly only having only caldari and gallente battleships, or released with ships that have bonuses to weapons not in the game for years? No, no it didn't. So shut it, I've heard this 1000 times. What is with your people, I understand full well how CCP design games. You on the other hand obviously have no idea.
My point was when people log into dust the IMPRESSION *reading comprehension ftw!* people get is "wow this game is unfinished." The impression players get is all that is important. While eve had a rough start it wasn't missing any super basic core content also had more players online than dust has now.
A 60$ PC MMO title in 2002 with 15$ a month price tag at release had more players online than a f2p console shooter also made by CCP does in the same release timeframe. Do the ****ing math. People get an awful taste in their mouth when they try dust, it's not like it's not justified. Even if it's ignorance of the fact that CCP will never stop changing the game, they won't know that, they will only know what they can see.
Eve expands outwards, Dust is expanding inwards because there is no base to expands out from yet. We are waiting on core content that should've been in the game on release. It hurts the game in profound way, end of story. |
Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:14:00 -
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pyramidhead 420 wrote:Sam Tektzby wrote:1.8 ..ehm.. i saw this before already it was 1.5 and patching time and there will be another patch and another and ever and ever and ever.. still just promises, i dont se proper progress, just tinking with mechanics, nerfing buffing, patching, patching, boosting, nerfing and patching oncemore and everything withou any progress in already broken game.
I saw somewhere great idea and that idea was, turn off dust and start once again. ever notice nobody ever replies to your comments?..hint hint go away kid
Comment without objectivism is just nonsece, btw im not kid. There is something in psychology about excessive using of words like kid, girl etc. Just tell me more and i can give you a complete profilization "boyo". |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:19:00 -
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Wow, this thread exploded overnight. |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:36:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:ugh it can hard to have fath when they ignore the community and have an unfinished game and are acting like it was ready for release... by unfinished I mean that's the impression people get when trying the game out and seeing odd things like missing racial suits and such.
But I know hopefully one day we'll look back and think, wow, dust used to be terrible thank goodness we're past that era ... I don't think you realise how CCP designs games. Dust won't ever be "finished", just like Eve is never finished. They will always add features. And yes, that means not all features will be there from the start. Hell, there are things in Eve that NO ONE even thought about when the game first came out. I've been here since playing eve since beta don't lecture me. Was eve released with minmatar frigates but no minmatar weapons, randomly only having only caldari and gallente battleships, or released with ships that have bonuses to weapons not in the game for years? No, no it didn't. So shut it, I've heard this 1000 times. What is with your people, I understand full well how CCP design games. You on the other hand obviously have no idea. My point was when people log into dust the IMPRESSION *reading comprehension ftw!* people get is "wow this game is unfinished." The impression players get is all that is important. While eve had a rough start it wasn't missing any super basic core content also had more players online than dust has now. A 60$ PC MMO title in 2002 with 15$ a month price tag at release had more players online than a f2p console shooter also made by CCP does in the same release timeframe. Do the ****ing math. People get an awful taste in their mouth when they try dust, it's not like it's not justified. Even if it's ignorance of the fact that CCP will never stop changing the game, they won't know that, they will only know what they can see. Eve expands outwards, Dust is expanding inwards because there is no base to expands out from yet. We are waiting on core content that should've been in the game on release. It hurts the game in profound way, end of story.
I can only give you one like for this post,but in my heart,I'm giving you at least five.
This whole presentation from CCP feels like a desperate act to me.They they are still shedding players almost weekly,without any of them to EVER return,added with the fact that PS4 is only a few weeks away,and even more people will be leaving.Less players means less chance for those players to buy AUR.
I honestly feel like without an announcement of this game going to PS4,this game will be dead in the water.I honestly can't see any more than 2,000~2,500 players online this time next year.
Next gen consoles will be dominating and more than likely hitting their full stride this time next year with MUCH better games than Dust,thus why would anyone still be playing this game with a tiny playerbase and missing assets?
IMO,the only thing that could possibly save Dust,is a move to PS4 AND a name change.Calling it Dust 514 on PS4 would more than likely be a bad move,considering that people that played it and totally ripped it will be more inclined to have a built in prejudice of it.
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Asirius Medaius
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:44:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:ugh it can hard to have fath when they ignore the community and have an unfinished game and are acting like it was ready for release... by unfinished I mean that's the impression people get when trying the game out and seeing odd things like missing racial suits and such.
But I know hopefully one day we'll look back and think, wow, dust used to be terrible thank goodness we're past that era ... I don't think you realise how CCP designs games. Dust won't ever be "finished", just like Eve is never finished. They will always add features. And yes, that means not all features will be there from the start. Hell, there are things in Eve that NO ONE even thought about when the game first came out. I've been here since playing eve since beta don't lecture me. Was eve released with minmatar frigates but no minmatar weapons, randomly only having only caldari and gallente battleships, or released with ships that have bonuses to weapons not in the game for years? No, no it didn't. So shut it, I've heard this 1000 times. What is with your people, I understand full well how CCP design games. You on the other hand obviously have no idea. My point was when people log into dust the IMPRESSION *reading comprehension ftw!* people get is "wow this game is unfinished." The impression players get is all that is important. While eve had a rough start it wasn't missing any super basic core content also had more players online than dust has now. A 60$ PC MMO title in 2002 with 15$ a month price tag at release had more players online than a f2p console shooter also made by CCP does in the same release timeframe. Do the ****ing math. People get an awful taste in their mouth when they try dust, it's not like it's not justified. Even if it's ignorance of the fact that CCP will never stop changing the game, they won't know that, they will only know what they can see. Eve expands outwards, Dust is expanding inwards because there is no base to expands out from yet. We are waiting on core content that should've been in the game on release. It hurts the game in profound way, end of story.
+1 for the solid critical post |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:49:00 -
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Oh,another problem.
The guy starts talking about the future of Dust,from now through 2014.The first thing he mentions is adding more MMO to the game,and the second thing is and improved marketplace?!
This is very telling to me.Again,more concern is going towards things that should be lower on the "Things To Do" list.
Too worried about how they are going to monetize the game,instead of how they are going make a game that's fun to play.
They still need to work on overall mechanics of the game,framerate,and lag.
The foundation of this game is still very weak and something that CCP has constantly neglected in favor of more content and monetizing elements. |
Sam Tektzby
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:49:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:Roy Xkillerz wrote: Other point. Why not combine free roaming with PVE areas and mining?
Shakes head in disappointment that you would even consider mining in Dust, its boring enough in space!
Sam Tektzby wrote:1.8 ..ehm.. i saw this before already it was 1.5 and patching time and there will be another patch and another and ever and ever and ever.. still just promises, i dont se proper progress, just tinking with mechanics, nerfing buffing, patching, patching, boosting, nerfing and patching oncemore and everything withou any progress in already broken game. What you said there is pretty much how successful games work, GÇ£tweaking mechanics, nerfing, patching, boosting and patchingGÇ¥. If Dust was released as a full complete title it would get rather boring and we (the players) wouldn't be able to get the game we wanted to play from our input to CCP. I mean; they have been doing the same thing with EVE Online for 10 years! Have faith my son! Wilhelm Klingspor well remembered, I did forget to add in the bits about the Scout and Heavy suits! And updated, +1
First of all, im not your son. Second thingie is nope it is not. Succesfull job is if job is done. finished game in ten years after full release is just BUST like hell. End of story. |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2023
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Posted - 2013.10.20 19:17:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Wow, this thread exploded overnight.
Yeh it did, which is great for me as IGÇÖm a karma wh0re! |
spoony moon
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.20 20:07:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:
Next gen consoles will be dominating and more than likely hitting their full stride this time next year with MUCH better f2P MMOs games than Dust,thus why would anyone still be playing this game with a tiny playerbase and missing assets?
So a ps4/PC release. It's UDK I can not see any reason not to port the most easily ported engine ever created to every platform possible. ASAP
well... once the core content is done at least... So people don't try dust PC and it's still got holes it in. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3744
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Posted - 2013.10.20 20:32:00 -
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Also, I realize this is unrelated, but since this thread talks about EVE Vegas, I'll leave this here:
http://i.imgur.com/NXlkqvG.png
Can we take a moment to appreciate how ******* gorgeous this UI is? If the HUD in Dust was as pretty as this I would cream my pants. |
R F Gyro
Clones 4u
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Posted - 2013.10.20 20:56:00 -
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That is a fantastic future feature list. I'll add it to the existing fantastic feature list.
I'll add the following to the "currently implemented" feature list:-
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GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.20 21:01:00 -
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LOL still no f#@king rollover sp system. What a f@$king joke. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.20 21:31:00 -
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Believe it when I hold it.
Still waiting on my Combat Rifle which was supposed to be here months ago, then rumored again this month and now hopefully by December
I feel for the players that want to play the other scout suits or the heavy class that has been stuck with one suit. Poor Vehicle users that dont have proto vehicles.
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3747
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Posted - 2013.10.20 21:47:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Believe it when I hold it. Still waiting on my Combat Rifle which was supposed to be here months ago, then rumored again this month and now hopefully by December I feel for the players that want to play the other scout suits or the heavy class that has been stuck with one suit. Poor Vehicle users that dont have proto vehicles. Again suggesting that proto vehicles wouldn't be a horrible idea that would only serve to make things worse.
So you fix the balance issues between AV and vehicles by allowing a vehicle user to train up for one that can easily resist Proto AV?
At that point, what's the point of even having Proto AV? No one will use any AV or Vehicles that aren't at the highest meta level, so you end up with AV players feeling like they can't do **** to vehicles again.
I'm looking forward to getting my hands on the new vehicle system coming in 1.7. I think this has the potential to allow both AV and Vehicle players to feel useful and have fun. |
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