DUST Search - Sticky:Factional Contract Loyalty Points and Loyalty Store

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Victories, and consistent and loyal service of an empire over one's mercenary career should be recognized by the respective empire, and be rewarded with medals. It makes sense that they would incentivize loyalty from skilled mercenaries so they don't end up working for the enemy. Medals should come with ISK prizes, and specially colored faction gear. Here is a basic idea of how rewards can work:

Win 25 battles for a faction: win an (imperial, republic, federal, or state) Medal of Commendation + 1 million ISK + 20 STD faction dropsuits and weapons.

Win 100 battles for a faction: win an (imperial, republic, federal, or state) Medal of Victory + 5 million ISK + 20 STD specially colored faction dropsuits and weapons.

Win 250 battles for a faction: win an (imperial, republic, federal, or state) Medal of Service + 15 million ISK + 20 ADV specially colored faction dropsuits and weapons.

Win 500 battles for a faction: win an (imperial, republic, federal, or state) Medal of Honorable Service + 20 million ISK + 30 ADV specially colored faction dropsuits and weapons.

Win 1000 battles for a faction: win an (imperial, republic, federal, or state) Medal of Distinguished Lifetime Honorable Service + 50 million ISK + 50 PRO specially colored faction dropsuits and weapons.

The medals should be displayed on one's public character information, and character sheet. It would also be nice to have them hanging from a wall in the merc quarters.

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Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 222	Posted - 2013.10.18 20:20:00 - [31] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: 3) To off set this there should be some form us LP exchange rate...similar to monetary exchange rates. Example...1000 Caldari LP = 850 Amarr LP = 700 Minmitarr LP = 450 Gallente LP. I know this goes a bit against the grain for the intent of the LP, just offering some options. This could be useful before the markets open up for the reasons Jaysyn mentions. It could be useful after the markets open up if you can only do the exchange once your standings in the receiving faction are higher than your standings in the dispensing faction--for example: I fight for Caldari and get 8000 LP and a faction standing of 7. Then I decide I want to focus on Amarr. I fight and get standings of 7.3 with Amarr. The Amarr will reward me for switching loyalties by offering 50% of the LP I had with Caldari, but the Caldari won't like me switching loyalties (even if it's for an ally) and will wipe out the LP I had with them. It helps to keep things fluid and make loyalty more relative.
steadyhand amarr MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1600	Posted - 2013.10.18 20:28:00 - [32] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: itsmellslikefish wrote: So it would be difficult for me to get diffrent race weapons? Like say I wanted to get the plasma cannon, srcambler rifle and rail rifle. This is where the secondary market will come in, you buy them from other people. Unfortunately that wont be around when we launch this feature. wait so player trading is going to be a thing soon
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2889	Posted - 2013.10.18 20:28:00 - [33] - Quote Again for emphasis, having loyalty store items cost both LP and ISK while not rewarding any ISK in faction contracts is very bad given the current situation, and that is the lack of means for income. Right now the only other incomes would be owning a district in PC or playing pub matches. Now I get that you don't want to make FW a progression of pub matches, but you can't FORCE us to play pub matches if we don't want to. And that's what you are doing, you are FORCING us. So either 1) Still reward ISK in faction contracts (perhaps a little less, so you earn more ISK in pubs) 2) Make loyalty store items only cost LP 3) Release the player market at the same time so we have another viable means of getting ISK without forcing us into certain gamemodes. Note that (1) and (2) could be temporary and go back to as planned upon release of the player market.
Raskutor DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2013.10.18 20:37:00 - [34] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Again for emphasis, having loyalty store items cost both LP and ISK while not rewarding any ISK in faction contracts is very bad given the current situation, and that is the lack of means for income. Right now the only other incomes would be owning a district in PC or playing pub matches. Now I get that you don't want to make FW a progression of pub matches, but you can't FORCE us to play pub matches if we don't want to. And that's what you are doing, you are FORCING us. So either 1) Still reward ISK in faction contracts (perhaps a little less, so you earn more ISK in pubs) 2) Make loyalty store items only cost LP 3) Release the player market at the same time so we have another viable means of getting ISK without forcing us into certain gamemodes. Note that (1) and (2) could be temporary and go back to as planned upon release of the player market. This. ^ Pretty much, I ONLY do Amarr Faction Warfare (unless we break Scotty). Some people just would rather do Factional Contracts. So, other than moving to Public Contracts or Planetary Conquest, how are we supposed to make any ISK?
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1634	Posted - 2013.10.18 20:48:00 - [35] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: I don't know that better-fitting is a great incentive, for me anyway. Unique stats is a step in the right direction, it's just... there's nothing there that I look at and think "I NEED that". I think this is a good direction. There are three ways I can think of providing faction store rewards: cheaper, stronger or easier to fit. We don't yet know costs so we can't analyze that aspect. Stronger makes them hard to balance and almost required to be competitive. Easier fitting allows lower skilled mercs to assemble strong fits and skilled mercs to fit more higher end gear to a suit. Currently it's difficult to impossible to fit an all proto level suit. With specialist versions that may become feasible.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1634	Posted - 2013.10.18 21:00:00 - [36] - Quote Will the LP rewards be enough to replace combat losses using the faction store? Will faction suits have faction camo? Silly, I know, but something I had hoped for.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 1108	Posted - 2013.10.18 21:04:00 - [37] - Quote I looked at the list of specialist weapons and thought to myself: Well, looks like the heavies got the short stick AGAIN. Oh well.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 86	Posted - 2013.10.18 21:08:00 - [38] - Quote Waitwaitwait, why do Caldaris get the Nova Knives and not the Minmatar? D: Okay lore and all that blahblahblah, but what Caldari uses nova knives?
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws 1385	Posted - 2013.10.18 21:09:00 - [39] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Waitwaitwait, why do Caldaris get the Nova Knives and not the Minmatar? D: Okay lore and all that blahblahblah, but what Caldari uses nova knives? Our knives are technically caldari made even though we have the bonus. =(
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 339	Posted - 2013.10.18 21:27:00 - [40] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: itsmellslikefish wrote: So it would be difficult for me to get diffrent race weapons? Like say I wanted to get the plasma cannon, srcambler rifle and rail rifle. This is where the secondary market will come in, you buy them from other people. Unfortunately that wont be around when we launch this feature. I like it. I am a Gallente purist (except for tanks and LAV) and this is making me reconsider this desision. I'll have to see how all of this functions and what the vehicle rebalance brings as far as vehicle mechanics/functionality goes, not to mention other race variants. May have to end up relying on the secondary market in this case, or would it be more profitable to rely on the secondary market for my dropsuit fittings. I don't think I would like that... Humm perhaps this is a point of balance that needs to be considered.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4502	Posted - 2013.10.18 21:41:00 - [41] - Quote I'm Gallente and I hate Caldari. But my knives are Caldari. What to do?
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1212	Posted - 2013.10.18 21:44:00 - [42] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I'm Gallente and I hate Caldari. But my knives are Caldari. What to do? Why plunge them into some soul state loving bastards!
Jin-Li THE NUCLEAR KNIGHTS 0	Posted - 2013.10.18 21:46:00 - [43] - Quote I was wondering is it going to be like eve where you pick a side and run with it our can I run Amarr and then Minmarter?
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3361	Posted - 2013.10.18 21:49:00 - [44] - Quote Think the Gallente got gimped on their LP Store as far as high-slots are concerned.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1612	Posted - 2013.10.18 21:55:00 - [45] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: itsmellslikefish wrote: So it would be difficult for me to get diffrent race weapons? Like say I wanted to get the plasma cannon, srcambler rifle and rail rifle. This is where the secondary market will come in, you buy them from other people. Unfortunately that wont be around when we launch this feature. Then be prepared for disappointment. I'm not trying to be negative either. People have gear spread out across all races. With no ISK payouts and no secondary market it doesn't take much of a leap to see what will happen. You'll have to have ISK payouts until you release the secondary market. You may end up with a game mode where the only people that play are those that have BPOs.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1612	Posted - 2013.10.18 21:58:00 - [46] - Quote Raskutor wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Again for emphasis, having loyalty store items cost both LP and ISK while not rewarding any ISK in faction contracts is very bad given the current situation, and that is the lack of means for income. Right now the only other incomes would be owning a district in PC or playing pub matches. Now I get that you don't want to make FW a progression of pub matches, but you can't FORCE us to play pub matches if we don't want to. And that's what you are doing, you are FORCING us. So either 1) Still reward ISK in faction contracts (perhaps a little less, so you earn more ISK in pubs) 2) Make loyalty store items only cost LP 3) Release the player market at the same time so we have another viable means of getting ISK without forcing us into certain gamemodes. Note that (1) and (2) could be temporary and go back to as planned upon release of the player market. This. ^ Pretty much, I ONLY do Amarr Faction Warfare (unless we break Scotty). Some people just would rather do Factional Contracts. So, other than moving to Public Contracts or Planetary Conquest, how are we supposed to make any ISK? It would work great if there was a secondary market, but without it this will be a dead game mode within days.
Zatara Rought MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1324	Posted - 2013.10.18 22:01:00 - [47] - Quote CCP, I strongly advocate for implementation of FW suits as well. Proto only. These suits would either have more cpu/pg or have an extra slot. Make them the highest point cost. and make the colors on them distinct, so when you're wearing one you look badass. Please?
Dimmu Borgir II Bannana Boat Corp 164	Posted - 2013.10.18 22:04:00 - [48] - Quote I love this and it'll give a sudden jump in the depth of this game, making a huge variety of options for those players who have been in the game for a long time and make you instantly more loyal to one particular race and faction, I'm sure that following this, each suit that you use will have it's equipment and weapons bonus'. Sounds awesome, great work CCP, keep it up!
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3999	Posted - 2013.10.18 22:15:00 - [49] - Quote Could the damage modifiers become available to all factions? They're of use to everyone. Also, I can't help but notice that the Gallentean LP store has no midslot modules.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 130	Posted - 2013.10.18 22:15:00 - [50] - Quote Other LP related thoughts: 1) Recommend that LP items also include a few vanity items..example would be a camo pattern specifically offered by Ishakone Special Operations Division or something similar to that. 2) The other concept I would like to see explored is something akin to the daily SP bonus that we get for activity. The idea would be that you gain bonus LP for activity or execptional performance. It could work similar to the FW event we had but cycles every week... participate in something like 20 FW battles w/ 60% victory and you get a bump of LP. Score 1000 WP in a FW match and get a small bump of LP. 3) Question...if you are gaining Gallente LP can you also gain Caldari LP? Are gains of LPs taken away or negated by accepting contracts from a rival faction?
Asirius Medaius Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 579	Posted - 2013.10.18 22:23:00 - [51] - Quote I have a feeling that the LP system and the various awards (especially for faction vehicles when they get out) is going to make this game insanely more fun than it has been. Once this gets implemented, you have my wallet... Edit: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: 1) Recommend that LP items also include a few vanity items..example would be a camo pattern specifically offered by Ishakone Special Operations Division or something similar to that. This would be amazing, please do this CCP, and make it require some really high standards for those who want to represent rare suits with their faction standing earnings. I hate to make this analogy, but this will add a lot of flavor to vanity armor such as World of Warcraft, where everyone can show a bit of their e-peens on the Warbarge and all of the effort they took to get a suit like that in the first place.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 132	Posted - 2013.10.18 22:24:00 - [52] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Could the damage modifiers become available to all factions? They're of use to everyone. Also, I can't help but notice that the Gallentean LP store has no midslot modules. Great point... there probably needs to be some gear (perhaps even weapons) that have common entries across all the LP Stores. That would go a long way to mitigating some of the loyalty vs playstyle concerns.
Joel II X AHPA 43	Posted - 2013.10.18 22:34:00 - [53] - Quote Please tell me the Gallente will be getting their own sniper rifle and knives, too. PLEASE!
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1214	Posted - 2013.10.18 22:42:00 - [54] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Please tell me the Gallente will be getting their own sniper rifle and knives, too. PLEASE! Doubtful. Plasma isn't very good for sniping. maybe a drone as the Gallente AI long range weapon, but otherwise I can't think of anything.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1854	Posted - 2013.10.18 23:04:00 - [55] - Quote Short version... YAY!!!!!
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1854	Posted - 2013.10.18 23:06:00 - [56] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Could the damage modifiers become available to all factions? They're of use to everyone. Also, I can't help but notice that the Gallentean LP store has no midslot modules. Great point... there probably needs to be some gear (perhaps even weapons) that have common entries across all the LP Stores. That would go a long way to mitigating some of the loyalty vs playstyle concerns. we just need player to player trading... Like no market just... person to person nd this issue is fixxed. Also you can fight for lots of different factions so can get all of the gear!
Thor McStrut Reckoners 238	Posted - 2013.10.18 23:08:00 - [57] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: This equipment (be it actual equipment, dropsuits, weapons, or modules) is custom and often times can only be gotten from that store. Aside from the lack of isk payout and the potential ramifications, this line has me concerned. The key word here is often. I think it needs to either be replaced with the word only, or the only other way it should be offered is through FW event rewards like the one we just saw. If you will occasionally be selling faction items for aurum, or even isk, I think you will seriously damage the LP store, and rub FW'ers the wrong way. When the Market/Contracts opens up, then obviously being able to sell your LP faction items is all gravy, I just don't want to see it come from CCP.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6621	Posted - 2013.10.19 00:33:00 - [58] - Quote This makes sense and is a good idea and all, but I can't help but feel kind of screwed being a Minmatar Immigrant to the Federation; I want to fight for the "good guys", but I LOVE Amarr stuff. I'm skilled into Amarr logi, Amarr assault, scrambler rifle, laser rifle. Player-trading better come soon so I can get Amarr specialist items without dirtying my conscience
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6621	Posted - 2013.10.19 01:18:00 - [59] - Quote Would also nice to have have special rewards in addition to LP for FW career hallmarks. Like winning 1000 battles for a faction. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114140&find=unread KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Victories, and consistent and loyal service of an empire over one's mercenary career should be recognized by the respective empire, and be rewarded with medals. It makes sense that they would incentivize loyalty from skilled mercenaries so they don't end up working for the enemy. Medals should come with ISK prizes, and specially colored faction gear. Here is a basic idea of how rewards can work: Win 25 battles for a faction: win an (imperial, republic, federal, or state) Medal of Commendation + 1 million ISK + 20 STD faction dropsuits and weapons. Win 100 battles for a faction: win an (imperial, republic, federal, or state) Medal of Victory + 5 million ISK + 20 STD specially colored faction dropsuits and weapons. Win 250 battles for a faction: win an (imperial, republic, federal, or state) Medal of Service + 15 million ISK + 20 ADV specially colored faction dropsuits and weapons. Win 500 battles for a faction: win an (imperial, republic, federal, or state) Medal of Honorable Service + 20 million ISK + 30 ADV specially colored faction dropsuits and weapons. Win 1000 battles for a faction: win an (imperial, republic, federal, or state) Medal of Distinguished Lifetime Honorable Service + 50 million ISK + 50 PRO specially colored faction dropsuits and weapons. The medals should be displayed on one's public character information, and character sheet. It would also be nice to have them hanging from a wall in the merc quarters.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 80	Posted - 2013.10.19 02:15:00 - [60] - Quote Can my corp become loyal to a faction? Like in the future.

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