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Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 99	Posted - 2013.10.17 19:51:00 - [1] - Quote I love the amount of DUST players who seem to be getting into EVE lore, even writing their own stories and making their own personas. Unfortunately there are a lot of inconsistencies I see from people unfamiliar with the lore and past / current events. So, I'd like to offer my services to anyone who has questions about the EVE universe or otherwise needs help making their stories or character 'fit' into New Eden. I have been playing EVE for nearly 5 years now, and the one thing about it that has kept me hooked more than anything else has been the lore behind the game. Not just the stories that players make for themselves, but the unbelievably rich universe that CCP created and brought to life. As such, I like to consider myself very well versed in all things EVE. All that being said, feel free to ask any lore / EVE / RP related questions here, or send me a message in-game. I'll try to answer in a timely manner. Also, if anyone else loves the lore as much as I do and would like to offer the same, just let me know here.
Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 99	Posted - 2013.10.17 19:51:00 - [2] - Quote Reserved
Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 144	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:30:00 - [3] - Quote Thought I might bring this thread back, maybe get some use from it since it got so buried.
JDEZ09 Dark Side Alliance 24	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:57:00 - [4] - Quote A resource like this should not go unappreciated. I had a question reguarding the Amarrian warriors, the Kamiera. Also I wanted to know a little more about the premiere Minmatar battle legions. These are for lore writing purposes. I see the lore about the Kamiera as a perfect fit for some integrating of EVE lore into our DUST lore. - I'm looking to use these types of soldiers as a background for some of our corpmates. Going to try to start implementing a bit more depth into the development of the corporation as it ties into the Eve universe. Also, if you are interested in these types of warriors across the other races, please give a little insight to them as well so that we can further understand what exactly these battalions have accomplished or have done to instill such fear unto the people that they come across.
Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 157	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:17:00 - [5] - Quote Excellent! The Kamieras are an interesting subject, born out of the Amarr Empires desire of always letting other 'lesser' races shed their blood for the empire first, before soiling the hands of 'True' Amarrians. In their eyes, all other races must toil for the empire to have any chance of getting into paradise in the afterlife, and so the concept of the Kamiera fits nicely into Amarrian lore. The Kamiera began as basically that, an attempt to re-use warriors of conquered races to fight for the empire. This proved to be difficult since the conquered warriors were almost always resistant (this proved especially true amongst the more warrior-like Minmatar tribes). Instead, the Amarrians decided to use the strongest of these now enslaved warriors for breeding, and carefully monitored the resulting fetuses to make sure they met the strict physical demands for the soldier they would be raised as. The resulting children are raised almost from birth as warriors, relentlessly indoctrinated into Amarrian culture and taught combat arts from a young age. The result are incredibly skilled, intelligent soldiers who function as elite units within the Amarrian military, but because they are still born from lesser races (and BECAUSE they are indeed very smart) they are kept on a short leash by their Amarrian handlers. There is an entire chronicle on the Kamiera's which can be read HERE which gives more specific details than I can. The most renound military unit amongst the Minmatar, and probably one of the most feared/respected in New Eden, are the Valklears The Valklears are a vastly different story. A unit formed out of sheer necessity, Valklears are picked from some of the worst criminals in the Republic. These men, already stained in blood from their past crimes, are broken and reformed as soldiers through brutality and pain. It is through the grueling training they endure together, and the even more brutal punishments they receive when they falter, that these men have discipline and brotherhood beaten (literally) into them. Valklears are vicious fighters, trained for anything and relentless in their tasks. It is difficult to find a more deadly adversary. Interesting to note: A washout from the Valklear program returns to prison with an even WORSE sentence than before, and recruits who pass are deemed free men if they survive their tour of duty, which is dependent on their original prison term. You can read the chronicle for them HERE The Caldari and Gallente have never had extremely unique units like these, at least none that have attained the fame that the Kamieras and Valklears have. It can be assumed that within the armies of both, there are highly elite units just as skilled as the aforementioned ones. The 'Black Eagles' are commonly mentioned nowadays, but that is simply the monicker given to the Special Division for Internal Investigation (SDII) which is a branch of the Gallente Federal Intelligence Office (FIO). The eagles have a small militia of elite soldiers (that are often nowadays seen using their signature black dropsuits, even though these people are not clone soldiers themselves) but have far more civilian and plainclothes operatives and workers. They are, at their heart, an intelligence organization. The most notable Gallente military unit are the Federal Marines. About the Caldari, it is interesting to note that each of the eight Megacorporations that make up the State have their own private armies, each of which rival or outnumber the Caldari army, and significantly exceed it in training. Indeed the most elite Caldari soldiers will be found within the special units of the private armies of the Megacorporations, and not the state army. These are the individual forces of each megacorp: \| Sukuuvestaa - Peace and Order Unit Nugoeihuvi - Internal Security CBD - Spacelane Patrol Ishukone - Ishukone Watch Hyasyoda - Corporate Police Force Kaalakiota - Home Guard Wiyrkomi - Wiyrkomi Peace Corps Lai Dai - Lai Dai Protection Service Hope this helps you out! If you need any more specific info, just ask.
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4513	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:31:00 - [6] - Quote Above post is a work of art. You don't happen to know anything about how the Caldari deal with criminals do you? Prisons and the like? I was also sort of under the impression that the Isukone Watch was a sort of famous Caldari unit. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 158	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:40:00 - [7] - Quote Unfortunately, I have no real insight into the Caldari penal system other than it is a Tribunal system, rather than a court system with lawyers and jurors. The Watch is definitely famous, but it is indeed a private army.
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4514	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:43:00 - [8] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Unfortunately, I have no real insight into the Caldari penal system other than it is a Tribunal system, rather than a court system with lawyers and jurors. The Watch is definitely famous, but it is indeed a private army. Oh no doubt. What about the Octopus Squadron Rabbit and Fatal are from? Famous even just for that betrayal. TY anyway, was considering using that in my new Cal toon but decided Drug abuse and overdosing torture by Gurista's were a better draw. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 158	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:54:00 - [9] - Quote While I can`t find anything concrete, I would speculate this: Each megacorp is very likely to have it own tribunal for civic and crown cases, for their own employees. Since the megacorps provide basically everything for the people they encompass, legal services and punishment would also fall to them.
Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 158	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:55:00 - [10] - Quote Actually, I`m not too familiar with lore on the Guristas. Never really gave them too much heed to be honest. I do know that while they are definitely pirates and do not hesitate to do some nasty things, they could be considered to have a `BIT`more morality and honour than other pirate factions.

True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4516	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:03:00 - [11] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Actually, I`m not too familiar with lore on the Guristas. Never really gave them too much heed to be honest. I do know that while they are definitely pirates and do not hesitate to do some nasty things, they could be considered to have a `BIT`more morality and honour than other pirate factions. True but like all gangs/pirates/ whatever you want to call them, despite having honour they are nonetheless ruthless in their business dealing considering they run the Gray Market amongst other financial deals they have going. I assumed they made use of people within the State, who make use of unfortunate proxies to do the more dangerous/dirty jobs. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 158	Posted - 2013.12.04 05:37:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Above post is a work of art. By the way, thank you for that compliment I really do love the EVE lore, which is why I get a little uppity in rp-related threads sometimes, hehe I`m glad to see this thread finally getting at least a little bit of use, though.
JDEZ09 Dark Side Alliance 25	Posted - 2013.12.05 07:28:00 - [13] - Quote well done sir. Thank you. The Minmatar are by far the most interesting prospect of the game because they are practically a mirrored fictional version of the MINorities in America of today. First enslaved and conquered, and then assimilated into their conquer's culture until they are even practicing the same religious things. However, us awakened minorities here quickly realize all of the nonsense that goes on here. The confusion, and corruption. It easily allows us to recognise that and become who we truly are, and not the bywords that these nations or empires if you wanna call them, try to label us as. Even the tribe of Gad: The North American Indians can relate to the Minmatar because they have lost a lot of what they had. But my goodness when you look at factional warfare right now, the Minmatar are giving it to the AMARR!! just sayin, it is true as of now. Or even the Tribe of Issachar: the so called Latin's and Mexicans of today, were actually proven to be from the Indigenous population of ancient Israel by the Spanish/european scribes and scholars that visited their land prior to their destruction in south America, when at that time they were called Aztec/Myan civilizations of the era. They fell to the hands of yet another empire. And indeed with much awakening, comes the uprising and rebellion from the ways of their conquerors. whether it's realized or not, spoken of or understood, the Tribes that I am speaking of are awakening, in Real Life. In actuality, shows that this game's concept is even deeper than we thought beforehand. It is interesting to see that such resemblances are depicted into this game. wonderful job again sir. The lore behind this will have much more meaningful direction.
True Adamance Fatal Absolution 4556	Posted - 2013.12.05 08:37:00 - [14] - Quote JDEZ09 wrote: well done sir. Thank you. The Minmatar are by far the most interesting prospect of the game because they are practically a mirrored fictional version of the MINorities in America of today. First enslaved and conquered, and then assimilated into their conquer's culture until they are even practicing the same religious things. However, us awakened minorities here quickly realize all of the nonsense that goes on here. The confusion, and corruption. It easily allows us to recognise that and become who we truly are, and not the bywords that these nations or empires if you wanna call them, try to label us as. Even the tribe of Gad: The North American Indians can relate to the Minmatar because they have lost a lot of what they had. But my goodness when you look at factional warfare right now, the Minmatar are giving it to the AMARR!! just sayin, it is true as of now. Or even the Tribe of Issachar: the so called Latin's and Mexicans of today, were actually proven to be from the Indigenous population of ancient Israel by the Spanish/european scribes and scholars that visited their land prior to their destruction in south America, when at that time they were called Aztec/Myan civilizations of the era. They fell to the hands of yet another empire. And indeed with much awakening, comes the uprising and rebellion from the ways of their conquerors. whether it's realized or not, spoken of or understood, the Tribes that I am speaking of are awakening, in Real Life. In actuality, shows that this game's concept is even deeper than we thought beforehand. It is interesting to see that such resemblances are depicted into this game. wonderful job again sir. The lore behind this will have much more meaningful direction. Um you do realise the Amarr are winning FW where is matters don't you? "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
JDEZ09 Dark Side Alliance 25	Posted - 2013.12.06 00:00:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: JDEZ09 wrote: well done sir. Thank you. The Minmatar are by far the most interesting prospect of the game because they are practically a mirrored fictional version of the MINorities in America of today. First enslaved and conquered, and then assimilated into their conquer's culture until they are even practicing the same religious things. However, us awakened minorities here quickly realize all of the nonsense that goes on here. The confusion, and corruption. It easily allows us to recognise that and become who we truly are, and not the bywords that these nations or empires if you wanna call them, try to label us as. Even the tribe of Gad: The North American Indians can relate to the Minmatar because they have lost a lot of what they had. But my goodness when you look at factional warfare right now, the Minmatar are giving it to the AMARR!! just sayin, it is true as of now. Or even the Tribe of Issachar: the so called Latin's and Mexicans of today, were actually proven to be from the Indigenous population of ancient Israel by the Spanish/european scribes and scholars that visited their land prior to their destruction in south America, when at that time they were called Aztec/Myan civilizations of the era. They fell to the hands of yet another empire. And indeed with much awakening, comes the uprising and rebellion from the ways of their conquerors. whether it's realized or not, spoken of or understood, the Tribes that I am speaking of are awakening, in Real Life. In actuality, shows that this game's concept is even deeper than we thought beforehand. It is interesting to see that such resemblances are depicted into this game. wonderful job again sir. The lore behind this will have much more meaningful direction. Um you do realise the Amarr are winning FW where is matters don't you? Then I guess it has fluctuated over the past weeks because at one point the Minmatar had 95% of the area under their control on the starmap. Idk if it has changed so swiftly. Lot's of blueberries have been doing AMARR fw except for a few really good corps that can really steamroll some districts. I honestly can't wait until the new update (1.7), I like the incentives of both the AMARR and the Gallente loyalty points. An Imperial scrambler that fits better than 20PG? sounds interesting.
True Adamance Fatal Absolution 4571	Posted - 2013.12.06 02:44:00 - [16] - Quote JDEZ09 wrote: True Adamance wrote: JDEZ09 wrote: well done sir. Thank you. The Minmatar are by far the most interesting prospect of the game because they are practically a mirrored fictional version of the MINorities in America of today. First enslaved and conquered, and then assimilated into their conquer's culture until they are even practicing the same religious things. However, us awakened minorities here quickly realize all of the nonsense that goes on here. The confusion, and corruption. It easily allows us to recognise that and become who we truly are, and not the bywords that these nations or empires if you wanna call them, try to label us as. Even the tribe of Gad: The North American Indians can relate to the Minmatar because they have lost a lot of what they had. But my goodness when you look at factional warfare right now, the Minmatar are giving it to the AMARR!! just sayin, it is true as of now. Or even the Tribe of Issachar: the so called Latin's and Mexicans of today, were actually proven to be from the Indigenous population of ancient Israel by the Spanish/european scribes and scholars that visited their land prior to their destruction in south America, when at that time they were called Aztec/Myan civilizations of the era. They fell to the hands of yet another empire. And indeed with much awakening, comes the uprising and rebellion from the ways of their conquerors. whether it's realized or not, spoken of or understood, the Tribes that I am speaking of are awakening, in Real Life. In actuality, shows that this game's concept is even deeper than we thought beforehand. It is interesting to see that such resemblances are depicted into this game. wonderful job again sir. The lore behind this will have much more meaningful direction. Um you do realise the Amarr are winning FW where is matters don't you? Then I guess it has fluctuated over the past weeks because at one point the Minmatar had 95% of the area under their control on the starmap. Idk if it has changed so swiftly. Lot's of blueberries have been doing AMARR fw except for a few really good corps that can really steamroll some districts. I honestly can't wait until the new update (1.7), I like the incentives of both the AMARR and the Gallente loyalty points. An Imperial scrambler that fits better than 20PG? sounds interesting. NO I mean we are winning in Space as far as I know, Dust means relatively little. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 169	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:00:00 - [17] - Quote Bump for more questions
Demel Derpovsky Derringer Defenses 34	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:01:00 - [18] - Quote Just a question since I'm assuming your an Eve player...well it's really a list: 1) If one would travel from one side of the known universe to the next, who long would it take them? 2) What is this "Sansha". I've heard of it being a faction that relies on mind-controlled slaves with an upper-echelon-souped-up-elite-1% ruling population. 3) Thoughts on Jove and Sansha ships. Yay? Nay? Pros and Cons? Might be quite a wacky and all over list, but enlighten my naive mind of the truth, your words of wisdom mean no bounds to the subject of Eve! No but seriously, answer whatever you want. And keep bumping it, we'll always need your help.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4946	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:20:00 - [19] - Quote Demel Derpovsky wrote: Just a question since I'm assuming your an Eve player...well it's really a list: 1) If one would travel from one side of the known universe to the next, who long would it take them? 2) What is this "Sansha". I've heard of it being a faction that relies on mind-controlled slaves with an upper-echelon-souped-up-elite-1% ruling population. 3) Thoughts on Jove and Sansha ships. Yay? Nay? Pros and Cons? Might be quite a wacky and all over list, but enlighten my naive mind of the truth, your words of wisdom mean no bounds to the subject of Eve! No but seriously, answer whatever you want. And keep bumping it, we'll always need your help. The Nation was founded by Caldari business tycoon Sansha Kuvakei, it was supposed to be a scientific haven free of the mandates of the Empires....however his dream degraded slowly as he began testing mind controlling implants on purchased slaves from the Amarr. Eventually this technology became wide spread in his Nation, as he called it, with the slaves being used for menial labour while the 1% ers continued to live in relative comfort, being implanted, but not with such a loss of personality. abhorrent as slavery is to most empire this even pissed off the Amarr...who under the guiding hand of Jove/CONCORD united the 4 empires to force the Nation to disband. However in recent history the Nation has reappeared in New Eden striking from behind wormholes, sparking the incursion events we see capsuleers fight again. Drones sent through the wormholes captured images of massive Sansha's Nation fleet blockading a known Jovian station...leading to the speculation of the Jovian demise and Sansha's new control over the Jovian Space and space stations making him the greatest threat to galactic stability today. As for his ships they use advanced technology twisted into horrifying forms balancing strong shield and armour with extremely advanced Laser Weaponry enhancements. They are exceptionally rare and expensive vessels. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 737	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:46:00 - [20] - Quote Demel Derpovsky wrote: Just a question since I'm assuming your an Eve player...well it's really a list: 1) If one would travel from one side of the known universe to the next, who long would it take them? 2) What is this "Sansha". I've heard of it being a faction that relies on mind-controlled slaves with an upper-echelon-souped-up-elite-1% ruling population. 3) Thoughts on Jove and Sansha ships. Yay? Nay? Pros and Cons? Might be quite a wacky and all over list, but enlighten my naive mind of the truth, your words of wisdom mean no bounds to the subject of Eve! No but seriously, answer whatever you want. And keep bumping it, we'll always need your help. 1. That really depends on a lot of factors. I'm not sure where the far-ends of the New Eden cluster are, but I remember being said that traveling from one end to the other would take several hours at best. And how long this takes really depends on the ship you use, and the space itself. Most of your trip from one end to the other would be in nullsec, and in territory where the policy is shoot everyone who isn't a friendly. You would have to make a lot of detours to avoid hostile forces, which would extend your trip considerably. Realistically, going from one end to the other could take several days, even weeks because you would have to do a lot more dodging past obstacles than actual travelling. And then there are wormholes, and if you theoretically got very lucky, you could enter a wormhlle from one end of the galaxy and find another one that pops out from the other end of the galaxy in just one jump. Then there are jump drives, which would change the duration of the trip even more. But ideally, if you were using the fastest possible ship in game and had no obstacles to avoid, the trip would be around 80 jumps, which you could do in a few hours. 2. Kador already explained this so I won't delve into this. 3. Sansha ships are one of the most deadly and advanced ships found in New Eden, as Kador already explained. You usuaully comd across these ships in Sansha incursions. As for Jove ships, there's a total of eight different types. They are often balanced to be built to do pretty much anything which makes them valuable. However, all of them can only be acquired through one of a time special events, which makes them a rare commodity and not that often used. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 13th

Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 170	Posted - 2013.12.17 08:59:00 - [21] - Quote sniff this thread is getting used. I'm so happy. I would add to those answers but im on a phone right now.
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 170	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:13:00 - [22] - Quote 1) Like was said, it depends on the method of travel. Space travel in EVE is a bit different from most other Sci-Fi. Starships use warp-drives to get around WITHIN solar systems, but the drives require lots of power and are generally tuned to be as fast as physically possible. Warp speeds in EVE are pretty ridiculous, with ships like Interceptors having a base speed of 8.0 AU/s (Astronomical units - 1 AU = about 150,000,000 km, the average distance between the earth and the sun. 1 AU per second is about 500 times the speed of light, and every vessel travels at least twice that speed). Like i said, it's used to get around fast within the confines of a system. Travel between systems is instantaneous, facilitated through Stargates. Stargates work in pairs, linking two systems, and create a wormhole bridging the two when activated, shunting vessels instantly between systems. Of course, the stargates had to be BUILT in the first place. Every system in New Eden has been explored now, but at one time the empires had to rely on large construction ships using slow but sustainable warp speeds to make it to new stars and construct the gates. This process could take anywhere from a few years to several decades, depending on the distance between systems. A great story of the time consuming nature, and dangers, of stargate construction and interstellar flying is the story of the system of Ouperia, which you might know better as Old Man Star. Read it here. 2) Adamance basically said it all. Sanshas Nation is more dangerous than ever thanks to massive leaps in their technology, pointing to them having stolen from the Jove. The nations "True Slaves" are probably the most terrifying example of the kind of things Sansha did. Cybernetically enhanced cyber-zombies, with all the cold intelligence and calculating of a computer, with no human emotions or morality. Here's some nightmare fuel! 3) I don't believe you can actually own a Jovian ship in EVE (could be wrong, but I don't think any have ever been given away. (SoCT ships like the Gnosis do not count as Jovian, and are more like hybrids of empire technology with a little bit of Jovian influence), and you certainly can't fly one because the required skills don't actually exist outside of the developers console. Sansha ships can be quite powerful. They have very good shielding and excellent laser weaponry. The specialzed versions of Sansha vessels we see during Incursions are extremely powerful combatants, and it is nearly impossible to face a group of them on your own.
Demel Derpovsky Derringer Defenses 37	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:50:00 - [23] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: 1) Like was said, it depends on the method of travel. Space travel in EVE is a bit different from most other Sci-Fi. Starships use warp-drives to get around WITHIN solar systems, but the drives require lots of power and are generally tuned to be as fast as physically possible. Warp speeds in EVE are pretty ridiculous, with ships like Interceptors having a base speed of 8.0 AU/s (Astronomical units - 1 AU = about 150,000,000 km, the average distance between the earth and the sun. 1 AU per second is about 500 times the speed of light, and every vessel travels at least twice that speed). Like i said, it's used to get around fast within the confines of a system. Travel between systems is instantaneous, facilitated through Stargates. Stargates work in pairs, linking two systems, and create a wormhole bridging the two when activated, shunting vessels instantly between systems. Of course, the stargates had to be BUILT in the first place. Every system in New Eden has been explored now, but at one time the empires had to rely on large construction ships using slow but sustainable warp speeds to make it to new stars and construct the gates. This process could take anywhere from a few years to several decades, depending on the distance between systems. A great story of the time consuming nature, and dangers, of stargate construction and interstellar flying is the story of the system of Ouperia, which you might know better as Old Man Star. Read it here. 2) Adamance basically said it all. Sanshas Nation is more dangerous than ever thanks to massive leaps in their technology, pointing to them having stolen from the Jove. The nations "True Slaves" are probably the most terrifying example of the kind of things Sansha did. Cybernetically enhanced cyber-zombies, with all the cold intelligence and calculating of a computer, with no human emotions or morality. Here's some nightmare fuel! 3) I don't believe you can actually own a Jovian ship in EVE (could be wrong, but I don't think any have ever been given away. (SoCT ships like the Gnosis do not count as Jovian, and are more like hybrids of empire technology with a little bit of Jovian influence), and you certainly can't fly one because the required skills don't actually exist outside of the developers console. Sansha ships can be quite powerful. They have very good shielding and excellent laser weaponry. The specialzed versions of Sansha vessels we see during Incursions are extremely powerful combatants, and it is nearly impossible to face a group of them on your own. Thanks a lot :) your ever-knowing Eve knowledge knows no bounds!!! Quick suggestion: Perhaps you could quote the questions in your responses? Cause I had no idea you replied until I checked. Not a big deal, but it helps people who didn't ask the question or notify people who asked the question. Just a suggestion :) None the less, thanks, and I'll ask more when something crosses my mind. Thanks for the Nightmare fuel though. Makes me happy that you can have robo arms in Eve :3....
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 762	Posted - 2013.12.18 07:12:00 - [24] - Quote huh. Does EVE have baseball? or at least something that leads to an ubiquitous blunt object that's generally within arm's reach? because if that's what sansha's guys are, I don't think my usual strategy of "shoot it in the face until it stops being funny" will work. They look like the kind of beasties that will only stop when they're too broken to keep going. Or maybe I can just commission some kind of ye-olde style war mace. I'm guessing that's minmatar or caldari(war clubs and such tend to be used more prominently in tribal cultures that fought over everything and both have that in their histories) If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5014	Posted - 2013.12.18 19:05:00 - [25] - Quote Do the Blood Raiders have certain rituals or practice when it comes to collecting blood or slaves? If so what are they. I want to do a bit of lore writing and need some info on this. Do rituals change sect to sect and how much lee way do I have with that sort of thing....I have some very...Khornate ideas...... To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 178	Posted - 2013.12.18 21:29:00 - [26] - Quote They do indeed ritualize the collection of blood, not so much slaves. I actually have to head to work right now, I'll dig up some info on it a little later. One interesting thing to note: they view clone blood as more pure and sacred than regular blood.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5029	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:55:00 - [27] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: They do indeed ritualize the collection of blood, not so much slaves. I actually have to head to work right now, I'll dig up some info on it a little later. One interesting thing to note: they view clone blood as more pure and sacred than regular blood. Indeed they like the blood of children and Clones if I am not mistaken, which makes the opportunity to attack an Amarr training facility for newly made Templar clones almost irresistible.....hence my story. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 179	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:24:00 - [28] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: huh. Does EVE have baseball? or at least something that leads to an ubiquitous blunt object that's generally within arm's reach? because if that's what sansha's guys are, I don't think my usual strategy of "shoot it in the face until it stops being funny" will work. They look like the kind of beasties that will only stop when they're too broken to keep going. Or maybe I can just commission some kind of ye-olde style war mace. I'm guessing that's minmatar or caldari(war clubs and such tend to be used more prominently in tribal cultures that fought over everything and both have that in their histories) I'm sure you could find lots of stick-and-ball sports still played throughout new eden. That being said, true slaves arent undead, and as such bullets tend to kill them dead nicely.
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 179	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:27:00 - [29] - Quote Demel Derpovsky wrote: stuff Yeah i'll start quoting more. I forgot that quotes give notifications.
Demel Derpovsky Derringer Defenses 37	Posted - 2013.12.19 05:37:00 - [30] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Demel Derpovsky wrote: stuff Yeah i'll start quoting more. I forgot that quotes give notifications. I love my quote. Had to say that.

Mithridates VI Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2309	Posted - 2013.12.23 22:52:00 - [31] - Quote Are Kaimeras entered into the Book of Records? Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 186	Posted - 2013.12.23 23:23:00 - [32] - Quote I wouldn't see why not. They are not considered slaves.
Mistaahh Juvenile Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2013.12.24 01:52:00 - [33] - Quote Explain Caldari language to me, please. Since Mist is originally caldari, he should know :/ Ain't nothing I need except stone cold ISK.-Mistaahh Juvenile, neutral mercenary.
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 186	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:04:00 - [34] - Quote Uhhh...haha, I don't know if I could EXPLAIN Caldanese to you (that IS what it's called, though) All I really know is it's very Asian in nature; Japanese to be specific, which is what i believe Caldari RP-ers use, though it definitely wouldn't be TRUE Japanese, but something descended from it. Very frequently seen, with names like the 'Shigeru' for the Leviathan that was over Caldari Prime, or the Kitsune-class (Kitsune is Fox in Japanese) Electronic Attack frigate. It would also be safe to say, that before the unified Caldari people existed, different languages and dialects existed between the Civire and Deteis as well, especially since both are of European, and not Asian, descent.
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 186	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:14:00 - [35] - Quote Hey, while on the topic, lets talk about other languages as well. English, as it was the most dominant language before the collapse of EVE, rose again to be the dominant language of New Eden as well, though it's never been explained how or why. Each race has its own 'native' tongues as well, based on their ancestry and pre-collapse affiliations. The Gallenteans speak a language descended from French, though it would be impossible to say the original dialects of the Intaki, Mannar, and Jin-Mei would be. Minmatar and Amarr, we know least about. the Minmatar are so varied in ancestry that as a people they could have used a dozen different languages between tribes, and potentially dozens more dialect variations among those. The Amarr descended from a prolific religious group that was founded out of the old Catholic Church. Again, there is no evidence I've seen to point to what sort of native language the Amarr might have had, or even if they had one other than just English. Being born out of Catholicism though, it would make sense if they spoke any number of latin-based languages, or an amalgam of them. (Italian and Spanish, for example)
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 754	Posted - 2013.12.24 07:34:00 - [36] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Uhhh...haha, I don't know if I could EXPLAIN Caldanese to you (that IS what it's called, though) All I really know is it's very Asian in nature; Japanese to be specific, which is what i believe Caldari RP-ers use, though it definitely wouldn't be TRUE Japanese, but something descended from it. Very frequently seen, with names like the 'Shigeru' for the Leviathan that was over Caldari Prime, or the Kitsune-class (Kitsune is Fox in Japanese) Electronic Attack frigate. It would also be safe to say, that before the unified Caldari people existed, different languages and dialects existed between the Civire and Deteis as well, especially since both are of European, and not Asian, descent. There isn't much official canon about the languages used by the Empires much, but I will add that the Caldari language is not based on Japanese only, it also has influence from the Finnish language(their names and culture also base on Finland a little). There is also a player created language called Napanii, which acts as the prime language used within the Caldari State. And in general, all the Empires would have a variety of different languages they speak, but use one singular as the 'official language' so to speak. Dagger Two wrote: Hey, while on the topic, lets talk about other languages as well. English, as it was the most dominant language before the collapse of EVE, rose again to be the dominant language of New Eden as well, though it's never been explained how or why. Each race has its own 'native' tongues as well, based on their ancestry and pre-collapse affiliations. It was my understanding that English didn't exist in the New Eden universe(my lore contacts also are saying this), as nearly all inter-Empire communications are done with the use of translator modules. Can you point me somewhere saying otherwise? Dagger Two wrote: The Gallenteans speak a language descended from French, though it would be impossible to say the original dialects of the Intaki, Mannar, and Jin-Mei would be. The main Gallente language is based off of French, yes. As for Jin-Mei and Intaki, both are asian based races. Intaki speak a mixture of Indian languages, which also exists as a player created language, dubbed just Intaki. As for Jin-Mei, I've always thought that their language was based on Chinese or some other Middle-Asian language. Dagger Two wrote: Minmatar and Amarr, we know least about. the Minmatar are so varied in ancestry that as a people they could have used a dozen different languages between tribes, and potentially dozens more dialect variations among those. There was some speculation about the languages of Matari recently, and the general consensus was that their languages were based on a mix of Scandinavian(excluding Finland) and Middle-Eastern languages. That's as far as I can speculate about them. DaggerTwo wrote: The Amarr descended from a prolific religious group that was founded out of the old Catholic Church. Again, there is no evidence I've seen to point to what sort of native language the Amarr might have had, or even if they had one other than just English. Being born out of Catholicism though, it would make sense if they spoke any number of latin-based languages, or an amalgam of them. (Italian and Spanish, for example) I should note, that this is definitely one topic I am not too familiar with. If anyone else has more info, please share. Generally, all the languages of New Eden aren't direct copies of their real life counterparts, so I suspect that the Amarr have mostly latin-based languages, like Spanish or just straight out Latin. Language in New Eden is mostly based on player speculation and the few hints given by the snippets of languages and the tons of names all the Empires have. The Backstage is generally good for all kinds of lore discussion. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 13th
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 187	Posted - 2013.12.24 16:12:00 - [37] - Quote My thought on the English thing is that, while that Chronicle definitely points against it, it is also very old. We've seen as EVE has evolved, the english language spoken in stories, trailers, movies, etc by characters in New Eden. Yes, you could easily chalk it up to accessibility for players, but there arr instances of it being used alongside native langiages as well. This combined with people of different backgrounds commonly talking freely with one another, without the aid of translators, infiction makes me feel that thw original take on lanfuages has been recanted somewhat. I should definitely not have made the section about english in new eden sound so definitive, since its just speculation on my part. Appologies fot that.
Mistaahh Juvenile Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2013.12.24 17:42:00 - [38] - Quote Like, I see @galm fae being called Fae-haan etc. What does that mean, etc? Ain't nothing I need except stone cold ISK.-Mistaahh Juvenile, neutral mercenary.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 755	Posted - 2013.12.24 18:23:00 - [39] - Quote Mistaahh Juvenile wrote: Like, I see @galm fae being called Fae-haan etc. What does that mean, etc? Again, it's part of the player created language Napanii, it will tell more about the language and how it works, and is often used by Caldari roleplayers. But to answer the question about your example, -haan and -haani suffixes work kind of the same way as when in Japanese you sometimes put -san after addressing a person by name. In short, -haan and -haani suffixes translate to comrade, so when somebody says Fae-haan, they mean Comrade Fae. -haan is used for males, and -haani for females. There's also a few other suffixes that have different meanings, like -guri, which would stand for criminal. But just to have a more Caldari-ish vibe to your language, just learning -haan and -haani is good enough. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 13th
Maximia Beflas Derringer Defenses 11	Posted - 2013.12.24 20:53:00 - [40] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Uhhh...haha, I don't know if I could EXPLAIN Caldanese to you (that IS what it's called, though) All I really know is it's very Asian in nature; Japanese to be specific, which is what i believe Caldari RP-ers use, though it definitely wouldn't be TRUE Japanese, but something descended from it. Very frequently seen, with names like the 'Shigeru' for the Leviathan that was over Caldari Prime, or the Kitsune-class (Kitsune is Fox in Japanese) Electronic Attack frigate. It would also be safe to say, that before the unified Caldari people existed, different languages and dialects existed between the Civire and Deteis as well, especially since both are of European, and not Asian, descent. I heard that Caldari have a mixture of Finnish along with some mandarin/Cantonese somewhere. I also heard that Minmatar is really Creole with other mixed languages.

Mithridates VI Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2330	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:56:00 - [41] - Quote What do you know about merc anatomy? What flows through merc veins? Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5278	Posted - 2013.12.27 05:51:00 - [42] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: What do you know about merc anatomy? What flows through merc veins? We still have blood though how that blood is composed or if it is different we do not know as far as I am aware. Though its odd that the Blood Raiders would consider cloned blood to be more pure and special than normal blood....which begs the question what is merc blood made of? In terms of merc anatomy I will let Dagger field that one though I do remember seeing something some time ago about mercs with multiple organs, hearts, spines, etc. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.27 06:01:00 - [43] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mithridates VI wrote: What do you know about merc anatomy? What flows through merc veins? We still have blood though how that blood is composed or if it is different we do not know as far as I am aware. Though its odd that the Blood Raiders would consider cloned blood to be more pure and special than normal blood....which begs the question what is merc blood made of? In terms of merc anatomy I will let Dagger field that one though I do remember seeing something some time ago about mercs with multiple organs, hearts, spines, etc. It's heavily simplified on combat clones. You gonna die in five minutes? Then you don't need a ***. I think the stories about mercs having several extra organs is just rumors spread by baseliners, but I do know that our blood is vastly different. We pump synthetic glosmer blood through our veins engineers to carry nanites. In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.**
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.27 22:06:00 - [44] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: What do you know about merc anatomy? What flows through merc veins? The mercenary clones themselves have been a point of contention for me, personally. Some say they are 7-8 foot tall supermen, others say they are merely very powerfully built men of average human stature. Since the bodies are grown, they can be augmented during the growing process, but at the same time the augmentations would have to make sense and be affordable. Increasing muscle density, red blood cell count, lung capacity are all viable and relatively simple feats of clone engineering. Things like adding extra organs and whatnot makes little sense, as the clones are meant to perform, not survive. There is basically zero lore to back any of these claims up, one way or another. (If you find any, I would LOVE to see it!). I merely try and go off the most logical assumptions. Mercenaries in DUST are not like the Space Marines of the 40k universe, they are not meant to be unstoppable gods of the battlefield ( it would be silly to think the empires would create soldiers so unstoppable that ordinary well-equipped soliders could not deal with them if they had to). But again, that's just me, and don't get me started on the topic of weapons and gear Back to the mercs, you've basically got a human body, tuned to perfection during growth. In addition to their genetic modifications, they are said to have chemically enhanced blood, better at things like oxygen uptake and clotting. Also, medical nanites are present in the bloodstream to rapidly heal injury (to a degree) and reduce pain. This was all talked about in the Templar-One novel. You have to consider, though, that this was the very first group of clone soldiers, and before they became a mass produced commodity. It's impossible to say whether the 3rd generation of mercenaries still have things like nanite-laced blood. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 765	Posted - 2013.12.27 22:47:00 - [45] - Quote Yeah, mercenary anatomy is a very shady subject with barely any information about it. But just as a curious question, have Officer weapons(Specifically Balac's, Cala's, Krin's and Gastun's) always existed in DUST, or were they added at a later point? Knowing this could probably give some pointers on when the events described in the Stranded chronicles happened, and maybe even a few hints on if we still hold this tech. They couldn't have happened too long ago, the setting described in part 1 don't seem too old. That said, I really want to see the series continued, maybe even converted into a full novel. I'd really love that. But back on topic, I'm not too sure about clone soldiers having cybernetic augmentations too much or too many "cut corners". With the whole case of the Jovian disease, which was a result of tampering genetics way too much, I'd assume that the Empires would be cautious about such things. So no, I don't think they'd remove our digestive system or anything like that. However, in my mind it would make sense that some bodily processes have been made more, straightforward. For instance, instead of feeding you food, it gets directly injected into your bloodstream, minimizing the need for waste removal. But again, this is pretty much pure educated guessing, and the only hints I have are the Stranded chronicles. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 27th
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.27 22:53:00 - [46] - Quote 1) I have no doubt in my mind that we still have nanite-laced blood. That's the whole point of nanite injectors. Capsuleers have a similar system but it is applied differently. Nanite laced blood is one of the main reasons why immortals can drink Quafe Zero but baseliners can't. Our issue is that the nanites in our blood is finite. As they change structure to form new protein, skin, or bone cells they are gradually used up. Nanite injectors deliver a new dose of these machines that bonds to your blood for use later. 2) If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. It is indisputable that mercenaries are at least slightly genetically modified and anyone who says otherwise is just trying to fill their own headcanon. Sorry if I am a bit of a jerk about this, but it is one of the major defining traits of us as mercenaries. If you need any proof, look at any gameplay from the DUST 514 recruitment center on Playstation Home. If you talk to the bartender she will tell you all about the soldiers from the perspective of a baseliner. I can't remember the exact wording, but it goes something along the lines of "Have you ever seen one of those immortal soldier before? Seven feet tall... Encased in armor..." Once you complete a series of challenges you will be rewarded with a dropsuit (implied combat clone) that will noticeably make you significantly taller than you were before. If that doesn't sell you, consider size comparisons relative to objects in maps in DUST. We use shotguns the size of car doors and stand up to half the height of a drop ship... Consider how tall a normal person would have to be to stand eye level with an F22. Honestly, if you are thinking of reasons to deny that we are massively tall based on "well we would be a bigger target" then I'm sorry but you've totally fallen into a confirmation bias. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.27 23:59:00 - [47] - Quote I entirely agreed that the mercs are genetically modified. I even said so plainly. There is a complete lack of evidence for claims either way, which is what I'm saying. You say 'shotgun the size of a car door', but there is no point of reference. Where have you seen a shotgun placed next to a car door for comparison? Stand up to half the size of a dropship: Well, an average person easily stands half the height of a UH-60 Blackhawk if you don't count the rotor, or even an F22 if you don't measure to the height of the vertical stabilizers. Why does the existence of the nanite injector mean we HAVE to have nanite laced blood? Medical nanites can be injected into anyone to help restore body function and repair wounds. You can't just ignore the reasons I posted because you have a hardline view in the other direction. You just come off as wanting to fill your own 'headcannon' with spartan-style supersoldiers, as much as some may want the opposite. I am saying the truth likely resides in the middle. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.28 02:39:00 - [48] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Why does the existence of the nanite injector mean we HAVE to have nanite laced blood? Medical nanites can be injected into anyone to help restore body function and repair wounds. You can't just ignore the reasons I posted because you have a hardline view in the other direction. You just come off as wanting to fill your own 'headcannon' with spartan-style supersoldiers, as much as some may want the opposite. I am saying the truth likely resides in the middle. Did you even read Templar One? At all? The blood cells are modified to carry nanites, your average person can't carry the tech we have for reasons that are never really specified. You completely ignored my point that: Quote: Nanite laced blood is one of the main reasons why immortals can drink Quafe Zero but baseliners can't. Our issue is that the nanites in our blood is finite. As they change structure to form new protein, skin, or bone cells they are gradually used up. Nanite injectors deliver a new dose of these machines that bonds to your blood for use later. Additionally, you ATTEMPTED to argue against my thoughts on the size of a shotgun without even putting in what I would assume to be a minimum level of thought. Look at a Saga. Look at your gun. Big huh? Consider the side rails in station facilities. When you couch behind them, assuming they are meant to come up to the average waist of a human, we should be completely concealed. However time and time again I've found that even when crouching I am still too large of a target to hide behind them. There's still a host of whole other factors that you didn't even touch base on because YOU COULDN'T. You say there is no evidence AFTER I PRESENTED EVIDENCE. All you're doing is fighting tooth an nail against an idea just because you don't like it. Stop being a child. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 02:47:00 - [49] - Quote You dont understand that you are presenting 0 evidence, only your own speculation. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.28 02:50:00 - [50] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: You dont understand that you are presenting 0 evidence, only your own speculation. ... Okay, really, does anyone else BUT THIS GUY think I didn't present any evidence. Size comparisons on map designs, the recruitment center on playstation home, I'm throwing all of this out there. You are literally the only one that has a problem understanding this. Maybe your implants are faulty soldier. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*

True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5284	Posted - 2013.12.28 02:58:00 - [51] - Quote Galm Fae wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: You dont understand that you are presenting 0 evidence, only your own speculation. ... Okay, really, does anyone else BUT THIS GUY think I didn't present any evidence. Size comparisons on map designs, the recruitment center on playstation home, I'm throwing all of this out there. You are literally the only one that has a problem understanding this. Maybe your implants are faulty soldier. I can confirm the 7m tall thing, seen it their myself but then again we cannot really cite Playstation Home as Canon.... can we? To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:03:00 - [52] - Quote Galm Fae wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: You dont understand that you are presenting 0 evidence, only your own speculation. ... Okay, really, does anyone else BUT THIS GUY think I didn't present any evidence. Size comparisons on map designs, the recruitment center on playstation home, I'm throwing all of this out there. You are literally the only one that has a problem understanding this. Maybe your implants are faulty soldier. Your entire argument is based on assumptions, which I have tried to avoid in my answer to original questions, or preface by mentioning that it IS speculation and there is no evidence. You on the other hand have repeatedly argued against what I wrote with assumptions you treat as fact, topped with insults, making yourself seem like a damn child. Do you even know what I was saying in my original answer? Did you read what I wrote before you started posting. It reallyseems like you did not. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:12:00 - [53] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Galm Fae wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: You dont understand that you are presenting 0 evidence, only your own speculation. ... Okay, really, does anyone else BUT THIS GUY think I didn't present any evidence. Size comparisons on map designs, the recruitment center on playstation home, I'm throwing all of this out there. You are literally the only one that has a problem understanding this. Maybe your implants are faulty soldier. Your entire argument is based on assumptions, which I have tried to avoid in my answer to original questions, or preface by mentioning that it IS speculation and there is no evidence. You on the other hand have repeatedly argued against what I wrote with assumptions you treat as fact, topped with insults, making yourself seem like a damn child. Do you even know what I was saying in my original answer? Did you read what I wrote before you started posting. It reallyseems like you did not. Yeah, I read it. You ask (said you would LOVE IT) if anyone came forward with evidence to support one side or the other. I come forward with a good benchmark for scaling (which isn't an assumption, because it is based on in-game sizing which is already more than whatever garbage you are trying to support) and you immediately rejected it because it doesn't agree with you. If your own ignorance was all that was at stake that would be fine but when you make a thread claiming to be helping people understand lore then you are being detrimental to the entire community. Stupidity is dangerous, so I don't tolerate it. And Adamance, it was all made by CCP so I am willing to bet the evidence in it isn't just some mistake thrown in by a third party. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:17:00 - [54] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Galm Fae wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: You dont understand that you are presenting 0 evidence, only your own speculation. ... Okay, really, does anyone else BUT THIS GUY think I didn't present any evidence. Size comparisons on map designs, the recruitment center on playstation home, I'm throwing all of this out there. You are literally the only one that has a problem understanding this. Maybe your implants are faulty soldier. I can confirm the 7m tall thing, seen it their myself but then again we cannot really cite Playstation Home as Canon.... can we? 7ft you mean? If you can confirm it to be true, then thats great. I will take that to heart Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5286	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:19:00 - [55] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: True Adamance wrote: Galm Fae wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: You dont understand that you are presenting 0 evidence, only your own speculation. ... Okay, really, does anyone else BUT THIS GUY think I didn't present any evidence. Size comparisons on map designs, the recruitment center on playstation home, I'm throwing all of this out there. You are literally the only one that has a problem understanding this. Maybe your implants are faulty soldier. I can confirm the 7m tall thing, seen it their myself but then again we cannot really cite Playstation Home as Canon.... can we? 7ft you mean? If you can confirm it to be true, then thats great. I will take that to heart 7 ft sorry. Yeah PS Home does state that we are close to that size, it has a good bit of information that I will try to trawl through in a bit, and if anyone wants to hit me up for some Slay by all means let me know. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:19:00 - [56] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: True Adamance wrote: Galm Fae wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: You dont understand that you are presenting 0 evidence, only your own speculation. ... Okay, really, does anyone else BUT THIS GUY think I didn't present any evidence. Size comparisons on map designs, the recruitment center on playstation home, I'm throwing all of this out there. You are literally the only one that has a problem understanding this. Maybe your implants are faulty soldier. I can confirm the 7m tall thing, seen it their myself but then again we cannot really cite Playstation Home as Canon.... can we? 7ft you mean? If you can confirm it to be true, then thats great. I will take that to heart I... Okay. I'm happy. Then we agree on something. Maybe we should just leave it there. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:20:00 - [57] - Quote Oh god, Slayer. Probably the biggest griefer I've ever played. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:37:00 - [58] - Quote Galm Fae wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: Galm Fae wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: You dont understand that you are presenting 0 evidence, only your own speculation. ... Okay, really, does anyone else BUT THIS GUY think I didn't present any evidence. Size comparisons on map designs, the recruitment center on playstation home, I'm throwing all of this out there. You are literally the only one that has a problem understanding this. Maybe your implants are faulty soldier. Your entire argument is based on assumptions, which I have tried to avoid in my answer to original questions, or preface by mentioning that it IS speculation and there is no evidence. You on the other hand have repeatedly argued against what I wrote with assumptions you treat as fact, topped with insults, making yourself seem like a damn child. Do you even know what I was saying in my original answer? Did you read what I wrote before you started posting. It reallyseems like you did not. Yeah, I read it. You ask (said you would LOVE IT) if anyone came forward with evidence to support one side or the other. I come forward with a good benchmark for scaling (which isn't an assumption, because it is based on in-game sizing which is already more than whatever garbage you are trying to support) and you immediately rejected it because it doesn't agree with you. If your own ignorance was all that was at stake that would be fine but when you make a thread claiming to be helping people understand lore then you are being detrimental to the entire community. Stupidity is dangerous, so I don't tolerate it. And Adamance, it was all made by CCP so I am willing to bet the evidence in it isn't just some mistake thrown in by a third party. (On a keyboard now, proper response time:) Galm you are a damn fool and a man-child. I said I would love it if anyone came forward with EVIDENCE to EITHER point. You presented no evidence, just rambled on about your speculations from your high horse. You act as if I was trying to force a single viewpoint on people, when in reality I didn't even mention what my own personal opinion was. You fought me on an issue that never even existed to the detriment of this thread for your own damn reasons. If you truly, TRULY read my original post, you would see I was not trying to openly support any viewpoint other than what has been shown to be true in canon. Speculation is not canon, assumption is not canon. I can't believe that you would come here and say 'look at all these things that may or may not be true or accurate' and say that it is 'evidence' you are presenting me with. Stupidity IS dangerous, and I also don't tolerate it. Please leave this thread Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:42:00 - [59] - Quote Hehe. You're funny. In fact, you know what? No. I'm going to haunt this thread. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, spoooooky~ *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:44:00 - [60] - Quote Galm Fae wrote: Hehe. You're funny. In fact, you know what? No. I'm going to haunt this thread. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, spoooooky~ Translation: Dagger is right, he really DIDN'T try and push one viewpoint on anyone. Silly me. But I can't appologize, that would make me look weak on the internet. Instead I'll troll his thread! Genius! Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.

Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:47:00 - [61] - Quote No, it was a "you've gone full batttits crazy now that someone has a viewpoint that proves you wrong, and the more angry you get the worse you look" type of thing really. Honestly, the insults I throw out are standard operation procedure when I talk to people. You however, you seem genuinely upset and frankly I find it hilarious that you think you can command me out of a thread in fear of making you look like a bigger joke. Thankfully though you don't need me to look like a joke. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:52:00 - [62] - Quote You keep saying you proved me wrong. What exactly did you prove wrong? What point do you think I was trying to make that you so elegantly destroyed and now stand so proud? I am genuinely upset that you are really this dumb. And I believe I asked you to stop posting here, not commanded. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:56:00 - [63] - Quote You yourself admitted that what I was talking about was confirmed after Adamance threw in his .02 ISK! Dude, you're just getting more and more entrenched downwards in your own ideas that it doesn't take that much to stand above you at this point. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:58:00 - [64] - Quote You can't even answer my question at this point because you yourself have no idea what you were arguing. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.28 04:09:00 - [65] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: You can't even answer my question at this point because you yourself have no idea what you were arguing. If Adamance says he has definitive proof of the height of the mercs, then that's great. I'll take it to heart. But when did I ever say in my post that they were not? When did I state a definitive statement about that or anything else I discussed. Do you not even understand that I was never arguing about whether or not they were 7 feet tall, but I was arguing the fact that you kept presenting speculations and not real, canonical proof? Do you even understand the nature of the argument you were JUST involved in? I'm calling your bull on this one. You said (maybe not verbatim, but you made your believes blatantly obvious) in pervious posts that you don't wish to think of mercenaries as anything more than your standard body type. You laid out reasons why you felt that they wouldn't be as tall as they are, which were all based from pulling at straws for what MIGHT be a practical answers while ignoring the facts of canon lore. And now that I've prove you wrong you are attempting to save yourself by arguing "I never directly said one thing or the other." That's passive-aggressive hogwash and earns no respect in my eyes. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 04:20:00 - [66] - Quote What I may have said in another thread has nothing to do with what was said in this thread, ESPECIALLY since what was said here was vastly different from what I said previously. I don't need to 'save' myself from anything. I admitted I had biases, but produced an un-biased answer to a question. Who is to say I have not changed my opinions on certain things since my previous posts? Thank you for proving that your entire tirade here has stemmed from a completely different topic, making this whole argument of yours here completely illegitimate. I asked for proof, you presented none, argument ensued, but where I have stood firm defending what I wrote, you now have to scrap at other threads, things i may have said in the past, to try and make this imaginary argument of yours against me seem worthwhile. I have some biases, some ways I would prefer to see the DUST canon be, but if it is not, I can't argue that. Show me proof of something being canon, and I will immediately accept it. Anyone can make, and is entitled to, speculations where canon is absent. You are looking more and more silly by the minute sir. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.28 04:47:00 - [67] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: What I may have said in another thread has nothing to do with what was said in this thread, ESPECIALLY since what was said here was vastly different from what I said previously. I don't need to 'save' myself from anything. I admitted I had biases, but produced an un-biased answer to a question. Who is to say I have not changed my opinions on certain things since my previous posts? Thank you for proving that your entire tirade here has stemmed from a completely different topic, making this whole argument of yours here completely illegitimate. I asked for proof, you presented none, argument ensued, but where I have stood firm defending what I wrote, you now have to scrap at other threads, things i may have said in the past, to try and make this imaginary argument of yours against me seem worthwhile. I have some biases, some ways I would prefer to see the DUST canon be, but if it is not, I can't argue that. Show me proof of something being canon, and I will immediately accept it. Anyone can make, and is entitled to, speculations where canon is absent. You are looking more and more silly by the minute sir. /emote crosses arms and eyes you with a cross of frustration and skepticism That. That right there. You're dealing with maybes and anecdotal statements to cover your own rear. That passive aggressive, underhanded tactic of "oh, I said that before so it's not relevant"... That's stupid. Stop that. /emote boops you on the nose But in the greater interest of my own time I think we have both said more than enough for anyone else reading this tantrum to divulge their own opinions. And by the by, feigning intelligence by using words like "tirade" doesn't really seem as alpha as you think it does. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 04:52:00 - [68] - Quote I don't need to feign intelligence, I have it in spades. The only underhanded one in all of this was you. Good day sir. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 04:53:00 - [69] - Quote So, back to the REAL purpose of this thread now. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4285	Posted - 2013.12.28 05:01:00 - [70] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Galm Fae wrote: Hehe. You're funny. In fact, you know what? No. I'm going to haunt this thread. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, spoooooky~ Translation: Dagger is right, he really DIDN'T try and push one viewpoint on anyone. Silly me. But I can't appologize, that would make me look weak on the internet. Instead I'll troll his thread! Genius! Wow. I mean I read all this, and I'm just speechless. You're probably even going to try and argue this too, but CCP Tony Gonzales (look up Templar One and see who wrote it) was the head of their fiction team for years, and wrote up all the backstory of this game. The information Galm has been presenting as come from Templar One and the Chronicles relating to Dust. If you're trying to say that those aren't "correct" or that they don't constitute proper evidence, I just don't know what to tell you. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 05:04:00 - [71] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: Galm Fae wrote: Hehe. You're funny. In fact, you know what? No. I'm going to haunt this thread. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, spoooooky~ Translation: Dagger is right, he really DIDN'T try and push one viewpoint on anyone. Silly me. But I can't appologize, that would make me look weak on the internet. Instead I'll troll his thread! Genius! Wow. I mean I read all this, and I'm just speechless. You're probably even going to try and argue this too, but CCP Tony Gonzales (look up Templar One and see who wrote it) was the head of their fiction team for years, and wrote up all the backstory of this game. The information Galm has been presenting as come from Templar One and the Chronicles relating to Dust. If you're trying to say that those aren't "correct" or that they don't constitute proper evidence, I just don't know what to tell you. I...never said any of that. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 765	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:10:00 - [72] - Quote Can you both just stop it? You're both equally big idiots continuing this pointless argument. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 27th
Mithridates VI Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2344	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:19:00 - [73] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: Can you both just stop it? You're both equally big idiots continuing this pointless argument. My position, here. This thread is now dedicated to your combined egos. Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:29:00 - [74] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: Can you both just stop it? You're both equally big idiots continuing this pointless argument. You're both right. Sorry that got so out of hand. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 169	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:42:00 - [75] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Denak Kalamari wrote: Can you both just stop it? You're both equally big idiots continuing this pointless argument. You're both right. Sorry that got so out of hand. Consider the following: Being an ass doesn't make me any less right. However if it truly is an issue to you then I'll get over it. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 765	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:47:00 - [76] - Quote Galm Fae wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: Denak Kalamari wrote: Can you both just stop it? You're both equally big idiots continuing this pointless argument. You're both right. Sorry that got so out of hand. Consider the following: Being an ass doesn't make me any less right. However if it truly is an issue to you then I'll get over it. The issue is not you disagreeing wity Dagger or vice versa, the problems is you both have overinflated egos and refuse to back down, resulting in pointless namecalling and insults with little actual debate being done. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 27th
Mithridates VI Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2345	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:13:00 - [77] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: [quote=Galm Fae][quote=Dagger-Two][quote=Denak Kalamari] Also, you say that that the shield of a shotgun is the length of an LAV's door, and that dropsuits stand half the height of a dropship. Then how tall is dropship? How long is an LAV's door? If we don't have any dimensions about these things, speculating their scale to normal people is pointless. A dropship could actually be 25 feet tall, which would make a clone soldier 12.5 feet. Or it could be five feet tall, making dusters 2.5 feet. The point is, if you can not give me any definite information about the scale of these things, using them as pointers to show how large dusters are isn't going anywhere. Also this. Are there any game assets not designed for merc use that we can scale ourselves against? And as an aside, when you're trying to bludgeon someone with your intellect, as both of you were plainly working to do, accusing them of "feigning intelligence" by attacking their vocabulary on the basis of pretty natural sounding word choices comes across as desperate anti-intellectualism. "WELL LOOK AT YOU, MR BIG WORDS" in response to "tirade" makes you seem rather foolish. /emote flicks both your noses Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 635	Posted - 2013.12.31 01:48:00 - [78] - Quote Fascinating thread. Thanks for starting it, Dagger. Even watching you and Galm spar I learned a fair amount. If you sift through the flame posts you both layout some nice stuff. On too questions... I understand the events of Templar One and where we are now in Dust lore...but there seems to be a bit of a skip zone in lore. I could use a hand if you can point me in the right direction. There has been discussion floated around that the Caldari tried to purge clone soldiers but now they are ok with the concept...any merit to this? How did dust tech proliferate so fast to pirate and secondary factions? Thanks!
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 192	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:26:00 - [79] - Quote The Templar's were essentially the first (functioning) of their kind, though all the other races were researching the technology behind the brain implants the sleepers had, to the same ends. There was a huge problem though (which is more explained in Templar-One). The use of actual sleeper implants, harvested from the bodies of the sleepers themselves, led to serious reprocussions. Basically, the sleepers had all but abandoned their material existence, and their consciousness' reside inside their own virtual universe. That was their purpose from the very beginning of the Jovian empire, to advance technology and society through a constructed virtual world, where they could make scientific advances at an incredible pace, not bound by the dangers that may come with experimenting in the real world. The implants they had allowed them to take their consciousness and become part of this virtual world, then return to their bodies with the knowledge gained. When the empires found the sleepers in their tomb-like stations, they mistook them for dead (at first). They had no idea that for each sleeper implant they stole, there was a whole consciousness inside the virtual world waiting to return. And thus, you had the first generation of clones, from all nations, going '514' as they say. When the sleeper returned to its implant, it returned to an already occupied brain. two beings sharing one mind drove the soldiers insane, resulting in a lot of horrible incidents. Jamyl Saurum attempted to warn the other races early on during this time, but they did not listen immediately, only when the situation grew worse. She did, however, also gift them a reverse-engineered version of the technology that the Amarr had made. With it, clone soldiers could remain a possibility while eliminating the need to harvest sleeper implants. After Tibus Heth was shot by a clone soldier during a rally, and another incident where a large amount of civilians died at a protest, Heth ordered the Caldari Navy to locate and destroy all clone soldiers they had, which at the time consisted ONLY of the 1st (sleeper) generation. (Note: The navy was very unhappy about this, since they saw the clone soldiers as great assets. Of all the things he did towards the end of his life, this was actually a good move by Tibus) The program continued using the Amarr technology, and the rest is history. The 2nd and 3rd generation of clones are made using empire technology, which is likely inferior in many ways to the sleeper implants, but functions well enough to make cloned soldiers a reality. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 203	Posted - 2014.01.16 00:34:00 - [80] - Quote Bump to keep this going Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.

True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5793	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:26:00 - [81] - Quote Do you know any of the answers to the following questions 1.) What is the process of emancipating a slave within the Empire? 2.) Is the Grey Market purely concerned with the manipulation of Caldari corporate script, or is their more to it like smuggling, etc? 3.) Can I assume the Worlds End arc of the Chronicles is true, that the Imperial superweapon is destroyed and that it had something to do with Seylin? Or am I butchering the text? 4.) What forms of marriage are practiced within the Empires, are there canonical reports of such ceremonies? 5.) Is Templar One worth reading? "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3285	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:23:00 - [82] - Quote True Adamance wrote: 2.) Is the Grey Market purely concerned with the manipulation of Caldari corporate script, or is their more to it like smuggling, etc? The Guristas are known to be involved in grey market trade in the Caldari State. Check under business. You wanna battle / Aztec's not afraid of you / I could care less about your reputation / Even though it maybe true.
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 203	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:15:00 - [83] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Do you know any of the answers to the following questions 1.) What is the process of emancipating a slave within the Empire? 2.) Is the Grey Market purely concerned with the manipulation of Caldari corporate script, or is their more to it like smuggling, etc? 3.) Can I assume the Worlds End arc of the Chronicles is true, that the Imperial superweapon is destroyed and that it had something to do with Seylin? Or am I butchering the text? 4.) What forms of marriage are practiced within the Empires, are there canonical reports of such ceremonies? 5.) Is Templar One worth reading? At work, so ill edit this for more answers when I get home. 3) correct. The isogen-5 stockpile went boom, and had very widespread reprocussions. 5) very much yes. I wouldn't recomme t 'Burning Life' though. Decent read, but rubs established canon the wrong way a lot. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5819	Posted - 2014.01.17 02:54:00 - [84] - Quote Again much thanks. Always get useful information from you. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 870	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:26:00 - [85] - Quote I'll just drop in here and comment that while Templar One and the Empyrean Age are okay books, they're bad lorepieces. Tony G. often makes up his own things which contradict the existing lore or are just plain silly in the first place in favor of moving forward the plot. One glaring example is the Broker and how he arranged Tibus Heth, a frigging forklift driver, into the head of Caldari State. I wish CCP would just quietly retcon that all and move on. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 14th
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 205	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:43:00 - [86] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: I'll just drop in here and comment that while Templar One and the Empyrean Age are okay books, they're bad lorepieces. Tony G. often makes up his own things which contradict the existing lore or are just plain silly in the first place in favor of moving forward the plot. One glaring example is the Broker and how he arranged Tibus Heth, a frigging forklift driver, into the head of Caldari State. I wish CCP would just quietly retcon that all and move on. I rather liked the broker as a character, personally. As for Heth's rise to power, as unbelievable as it way, I at least felt that the plot was made in such a way as to not discount it as an impossibility (though it still made you question how everything happening was even remotely possible) I agree that some of Tony G's writing was a bit contrary to the existing lore. CCP seems to be un-tony-izing the eve universe now. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 205	Posted - 2014.01.17 04:01:00 - [87] - Quote There are quite a few instances of the lore evolving as well, however, especially lore that was written very early on in the game's life. One good example is the appearance of Jovians. In the original entry on them, they are said to be very short, yet in subsequent fiction they are described as slender and of average height. The most immediate example I have of this is from the story 'Theodicy', a very well known one, though also written by Tony, "The Jovian was slender, and stood less than 180 centimeters tall." Granted, 1cm is less than 180, but it definitely gives the impression of an average, if not fairly tall, height. Contradiction to original, lore, but also one that makes sense considering how the lore behind the Jove also evolved. If they genetically engineered themselves, why would they make themselves of such small stature? It would be a huge disadvantage in many situations, not just those requiring physical strength. In the end, it's just one of many examples of lore pieces that have multiple different, yet legitimate, sources, with neither having ever been officially confirmed. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 214	Posted - 2014.01.28 05:57:00 - [88] - Quote bumpity Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6319	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:57:00 - [89] - Quote Still looking into freeing slaves, marriage practices, and perhaps even now the organisational structure of Guristas. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
sir ravenwing BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 36	Posted - 2014.01.29 05:37:00 - [90] - Quote Question:how do the 4empires punish muderers/assassins Question:I never looked into the jove, Caldari, and Amarr histories can you link a article or something about them? Question:I have never bothered with the politics of new edan so is there something that can help me with that? Final question: is there any chance a 1/4intaki 1/4knhad 1/2 cicre could be accepted by the Amarr and not treated as a weaker race? Author of A Raven's Call/ we fight for nothing but the almighty ISK- Sir Ravenwing

Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 215	Posted - 2014.01.29 05:56:00 - [91] - Quote sir ravenwing wrote: Question:how do the 4empires punish muderers/assassins Question:I never looked into the jove, Caldari, and Amarr histories can you link a article or something about them? Question:I have never bothered with the politics of new edan so is there something that can help me with that? Final question: is there any chance a 1/4intaki 1/4knhad 1/2 cicre could be accepted by the Amarr and not treated as a weaker race? I promise I will try to answer these tomorrow, for now I really have to get to bed. I'll answer the last question though: That's quite a mix. The Amarrians don't see other races as 'weaker' per se, just as 'lesser'. The Amarr think that they have a divine purpose that none of the other races have, that they are set apart from the others. As such, 'citizenship' in the Empire is a bit of a tricky thing. If you are True Amarr, you have nearly unlimited potential for growth in the Empire. Uplifted races like the Khanid or Ni-Kunni, which have been fully inducted into Amarr society, can have nearly as much freedom as well, and can become Holders as well. With the recent emancipation of Minmatar slaves within the Empire, it is likely that we may even see Holders of Minmatar descent in several generations. Unfortunately, someone with a mixed bloodline, especially when only a small minority of it is Amarr-related, would never achieve any sort of place within the empire beyond a commoner. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 217	Posted - 2014.01.30 02:14:00 - [92] - Quote sir ravenwing wrote: Question:how do the 4empires punish muderers/assassins Question:I never looked into the jove, Caldari, and Amarr histories can you link a article or something about them? Question:I have never bothered with the politics of new edan so is there something that can help me with that? Final question: is there any chance a 1/4intaki 1/4knhad 1/2 cicre could be accepted by the Amarr and not treated as a weaker race? Ok, more answers: 1) However their respective legal systems demand. Like any crimes, severity determines appropriate punishment. The Caldari have no centralized system of law. Instead each megacorp has its own justice system usually done by tribunal 'judges' (corp executives, really). Sentencing is up to the tribunal, but is typically fair by Caldari standards. As far as I know, economic crimes are typically punished with exile, while violent crimes are punished with incarceration. The death penalty likely also exists as a possibility. The Gallente have a justice system very much like any modern Western one today, where defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty, have very specific rights, are represented by legal counsel, tried by a jury of their peers, etc. Punishments are also similar to today's standards. Incarceration is the preferred method of dealing with criminals, though the death penalty has been used many times in the past. The Minmatar are generally fiery and quick to punish violent crimes against them, typically harshly. When Karin Midular was killed, the anger of the Minmatar people led to some very unfortunate clashes between them and the Gallente, who were holding the assassin (who also killed many Gallente civilians, at an even on Gallente soil) and trying him through Gallentean due-process. To the Minmatar, this due process was a waste of time and angered them. For violent crimes, especially against noteable individuals, civilians, or military personnel, expect Minmatar justice to be swift and come from the barrel of a gun. The Amarr justice system incorporates incarceration, especially the kind during which you are punished psychologically, for many criminals (both of the Empire and from other nations). Another popular option is slavery. Many once proud Amarrians have had their life stripped away from them due to serious misdeeds, and found themselves 'given' the opportunity to rise again in favor through hard work as a slave. 2) I think the best place to start would be HERE. Here you will find shorter articles on each race generally giving a bit of insight into their nuances. If you want to get REALLY in depth, here are links to the lore entries for each empire: Amarr Caldari Gallente Minmatar In each you will find dozens of related links to events, people, stories, things, etc. The Gallente and Amarr ones even have "History Of..." entries, which give a very in depth history lesson of the two empires, spanning back millenia. Sadly, the Caldari and Minmatar do not have the same in-depth entries. 3) You'll have to be a bit more specific on that one, though I think the above links and histories should give you a good insight into the current politics of New Eden. This Timeline may also help you decipher recent events. The info on THAT page itself is an overview, but once you get past the "Empyrean Age (YC 105 - Present)" header, you can click on the years themselves and see in detail what significant events happened in each month of that year. I believe some of the most recent years are still a bit incomplete, however. Hope that helps! Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6381	Posted - 2014.01.30 03:40:00 - [93] - Quote sir ravenwing wrote: Question:how do the 4empires punish muderers/assassins Question:I never looked into the jove, Caldari, and Amarr histories can you link a article or something about them? Question:I have never bothered with the politics of new edan so is there something that can help me with that? Final question: is there any chance a 1/4intaki 1/4knhad 1/2 cicre could be accepted by the Amarr and not treated as a weaker race? As for the final question the Amarr accept all who hold to the Faith but within the Empire there is still an long held and deeply ingrained social caste system. True Amarr are typically the most well respected peoples within the Empire having held positions of power for millennia.... the conquered races are .....well there are mixed opinions about them. However for your purposes yes, you can and will be accepted but you will not be necessarily welcomes with open and loving arms. The Amarr value age and experience, loyalty and faith. For example I might not look down upon you as I consider all God's children to be worthy of His love if they are willing to adopt the Faith....but those who openly spurn or critique the Empire I loose respect for. However other Amarr RPers might be different. We Amarr like all people have our different opinions. Our Faith is shared, thoughts Uniform, but we celebrate the individuality inherent to us all as it is a gift from God. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Ermac Vesely Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 6	Posted - 2014.02.01 19:45:00 - [94] - Quote I have two questions for this thread 1. on the point of supersoldiers we know that our clones are augemented at some places we don't know the details but can we maybe put them next to an example that would help us understand how powerful they are? I mean you guys already said they are no Space Marines but they can flip cars, tanks and dropships on every kind of gravity and they don't flinch when they are shot at could we maybe compare them to something like the spartans or would that be wrong ( not II gen spartans, more like the IV gen who are easily recreatable supersoldiers)? 2. I need help to stay in character when it comes to social rp I wanna get into it but my first attempt was a total mess because I havent read the response of someone else properly which ended in a disaster I need some tips for writing in that kind of way
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 989	Posted - 2014.02.01 21:16:00 - [95] - Quote Ermac Vesely wrote: I have two questions for this thread 1. on the point of supersoldiers we know that our clones are augemented at some places we don't know the details but can we maybe put them next to an example that would help us understand how powerful they are? I mean you guys already said they are no Space Marines but they can flip cars, tanks and dropships on every kind of gravity and they don't flinch when they are shot at could we maybe compare them to something like the spartans or would that be wrong ( not II gen spartans, more like the IV gen who are easily recreatable supersoldiers)? Generally, you can think of augmentations that can help a soldier improve his effectiveness on the battlefield, but not do much, or even negatively impact, the clone's lifespan. Things like redundant organs don't fit into this picture, due to the fact that duster clones are designed to be expendable. However, things like enhanced muscle fibers to increase strength, neural implants to improve reaction time, integration with your dropsuit to improve general combat effectiveness at the expense of discomfort and lifespan are things that would make sense. Personally, I'd leave it general and vague like that until we get more info from CCP. Ermac Vesely wrote: 2. I need help to stay in character when it comes to social rp I wanna get into it but my first attempt was a total mess because I havent read the response of someone else properly which ended in a disaster I need some tips for writing in that kind of way I can't really guide you how to do this other than to read threads thoroughly and double-checking what you write to make sure you got it right. Also using paragraphs makes your posts a lot more readable instead of just writing one long block of text. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 29th
Ermac Vesely Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 6	Posted - 2014.02.01 21:36:00 - [96] - Quote Thanks Denak I hope next time I even dare to write in the forums that I don't forget to make it more readable ( seriously im afraid of screwing up again it's not even funny but on the other hand do I want to write which makes it worse!)
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3403	Posted - 2014.02.01 21:40:00 - [97] - Quote So for each empire, who are the "elite" or most feared/effective soldiers? (Ie. gallente has black eagles, what's the amarr equivalent?) Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 989	Posted - 2014.02.01 21:56:00 - [98] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: So for each empire, who are the "elite" or most feared/effective soldiers? (Ie. gallente has black eagles, what's the amarr equivalent?) The Black Eagles aren't really a military unit, they're a branch of the Federal Intelligence Office. The real life equivalent would most likely be the Secret Service of the white house. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 29th
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3403	Posted - 2014.02.01 21:58:00 - [99] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: So for each empire, who are the "elite" or most feared/effective soldiers? (Ie. gallente has black eagles, what's the amarr equivalent?) The Black Eagles aren't really a military unit, they're a branch of the Federal Intelligence Office. The real life equivalent would most likely be the Secret Service of the white house. Alright thanks :) What would be the amarr equivalent of a "black ops" squad or something? Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 990	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:01:00 - [100] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: The Black Eagles aren't really a military unit, they're a branch of the Federal Intelligence Office. The real life equivalent would most likely be the Secret Service of the white house. Alright thanks :) What would be the amarr equivalent of a "black ops" squad or something?[/quote] Well, I can't think of any out the top of my head, I think Dagger might have a better clue of this(unless you count the Templars). But generally, a black ops unit conflicts the nature of the Amarr in my opinion, and I don't think they have any equivalent of the sort. They just don't strike me as the kind of people who do top secret operations behind closed doors, when their mission is to spread the faith and convert the entire cluster into the Amarrian faith. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 29th

Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3403	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:02:00 - [101] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: The Black Eagles aren't really a military unit, they're a branch of the Federal Intelligence Office. The real life equivalent would most likely be the Secret Service of the white house. Alright thanks :) What would be the amarr equivalent of a "black ops" squad or something? Well, I can't think of any out the top of my head, I think Dagger might have a better clue of this(unless you count the Templars). But generally, a black ops unit conflicts the nature of the Amarr in my opinion, and I don't think they have any equivalent of the sort. They just don't strike me as the kind of people who do top secret operations behind closed doors, when their mission is to spread the faith and convert the entire cluster into the Amarrian faith.[/quote] Fair enough :) How about Caldari? (I know they have mega corps etc, but which one is top dog?) Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Ermac Vesely Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 6	Posted - 2014.02.01 22:30:00 - [102] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: The Black Eagles aren't really a military unit, they're a branch of the Federal Intelligence Office. The real life equivalent would most likely be the Secret Service of the white house. Alright thanks :) What would be the amarr equivalent of a "black ops" squad or something? Well, I can't think of any out the top of my head, I think Dagger might have a better clue of this(unless you count the Templars). But generally, a black ops unit conflicts the nature of the Amarr in my opinion, and I don't think they have any equivalent of the sort. They just don't strike me as the kind of people who do top secret operations behind closed doors, when their mission is to spread the faith and convert the entire cluster into the Amarrian faith.[/quote] what about the kameiras those guys seem to be very efficent infiltration units?
Dagger-Two Tharumec 220	Posted - 2014.02.02 02:26:00 - [103] - Quote Wow, lots of replies, haha. Correct about the Black Eagles; they have a very elite group of soldiers, but are para-military since they are technically an intelligence organization. In terms of the "elite of the elite", for the Amarr you have the Kamieras, Minmatar have the Valklears, and the Gallente/Caldari lack lore regarding this, though it's safe to say that they have very elite forces as well. The Caldari Megacorps each have their own 'army', and each one is better funded, equipped, and trained than the unified State army, not to mention rival it in size as well. Therefore each megacorp would have its own elite units too. I have never come across any mentioned in lore, however. The Amarr no doubt have spies and 'black-ops' type units as well, but again this isn't something that has come up in any lore I know of. I would imagine that the Kamieras do a fair bit of clandestine work. Denak definitely has a good point though, the Amarr typically don't hide their intentions. It's so awesome to see other people answering questions on here as well. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3410	Posted - 2014.02.02 02:30:00 - [104] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Wow, lots of replies, haha. Correct about the Black Eagles; they have a very elite group of soldiers, but are para-military since they are technically an intelligence organization. In terms of the "elite of the elite", for the Amarr you have the Kamieras, Minmatar have the Valklears, and the Gallente/Caldari lack lore regarding this, though it's safe to say that they have very elite forces as well. The Caldari Megacorps each have their own 'army', and each one is better funded, equipped, and trained than the unified State army, not to mention rival it in size as well. Therefore each megacorp would have its own elite units too. I have never come across any mentioned in lore, however. The Amarr no doubt have spies and 'black-ops' type units as well, but again this isn't something that has come up in any lore I know of. I would imagine that the Kamieras do a fair bit of clandestine work. Denak definitely has a good point though, the Amarr typically don't hide their intentions. It's so awesome to see other people answering questions on here as well. Thanks :) So what would you say is the "big dog" of the Caldari corps? (Like Ishukone and kaalakiota) Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Dagger-Two Tharumec 221	Posted - 2014.02.02 02:35:00 - [105] - Quote Kaalakiota is definitely the most militarized of the Megacorps (as well as the largest), so if I were to guess on which one would have the 'best' military units, it would be them. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3410	Posted - 2014.02.02 02:41:00 - [106] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Kaalakiota is definitely the most militarized of the Megacorps (as well as the largest), so if I were to guess on which one would have the 'best' military units, it would be them. Awesome, thanks :) Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6466	Posted - 2014.02.02 05:57:00 - [107] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Denak Kalamari wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: The Black Eagles aren't really a military unit, they're a branch of the Federal Intelligence Office. The real life equivalent would most likely be the Secret Service of the white house. Alright thanks :) What would be the amarr equivalent of a "black ops" squad or something? Well, I can't think of any out the top of my head, I think Dagger might have a better clue of this(unless you count the Templars). But generally, a black ops unit conflicts the nature of the Amarr in my opinion, and I don't think they have any equivalent of the sort. They just don't strike me as the kind of people who do top secret operations behind closed doors, when their mission is to spread the faith and convert the entire cluster into the Amarrian faith. Fair enough :) How about Caldari? (I know they have mega corps etc, but which one is top dog?)[/quote] If we did have such a unit or organisation I believe it would fall under the jurisdiction of the Templar to carry out any and all of that of combat action. Think of the Templarsas not just defenders of the faith in the open, but also as an enforcing arm of the Theological Council as well as I suppose in some circumstances Commando's of the highest Amarrian calibre. I also hate doing this but I consider the Templars in many respects to mirror the role of the Space Marines for 40k. They are not just soldiers made to defend the Faith, not just the best of the best of their empires armed forces, they fill many roles from front line combatants in hopeless warzones, to elite cover ops at the tip of the spear, to enforcers of the laws both openly and clandestinely, and more. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Ermac Vesely Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 6	Posted - 2014.02.02 14:53:00 - [108] - Quote can we even call what the caldari have an army? I mean those guys are mostly members of a security service which most likely have more than just the job to fight against the gallente and pirates. We are talking about Cops with basic military training who either solve crimes, have to fight down a riot or need to do some counter espionage in theyre mother corp, these guys are more like members of a swat unit than soldiers. And on the point of Valklears aren't they criminals that were punished to serve in the well now "ex" republics army? These guys reminded me more of the Space marines from starcraft without the "southern states touch" and without the resocialization process. I don't deny that they could kick ass with the experience of a criminal life but calling them a spec ops unit could only work on a few very efficent squads.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6471	Posted - 2014.02.02 18:17:00 - [109] - Quote Ermac Vesely wrote: can we even call what the caldari have an army? I mean those guys are mostly members of a security service which most likely have more than just the job to fight against the gallente and pirates. We are talking about Cops with basic military training who either solve crimes, have to fight down a riot or need to do some counter espionage in theyre mother corp, these guys are more like members of a swat unit than soldiers. And on the point of Valklears aren't they criminals that were punished to serve in the well now "ex" republics army? These guys reminded me more of the Space marines from starcraft without the "southern states touch" and without the resocialization process. I don't deny that they could kick ass with the experience of a criminal life but calling them a spec ops unit could only work on a few very efficent squads. Valklears are criminals who are offered a single chance by the Republic to clear their names by fighting and dying for the Republic by tackling the hardest and often times most impossible missions. "In the great war for liberation the Minmatar tribes, finding themselves desperately lacking able-bodied men. They began pressing criminals into service, creating soldiers from their most dangerous criminals - their thieves, schemers, and murderers. The resulting force, dubbed the Valklears, won many victories and became notorious for their backgrounds. Though the leaders of the new Republic wanted to disband it, the military leaders objected and the program was kept. It has proven remarkably successful and continues to this day. " See 40k Last Chancers, or the Dirty Dozen. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Ermac Vesely Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 6	Posted - 2014.02.02 18:38:00 - [110] - Quote thanks Adamance for clearing that and I think my respect for the Valklears grew 10x in size ( at least they don't have to fight against space demons, immortal killer robots and giant coak roaches that bleed acid and zerg rush everything)

Dagger-Two Tharumec 222	Posted - 2014.02.02 19:35:00 - [111] - Quote I think one of the first replies I made on this thread was about elite military forces of the empires. You should find it near the top of page 1, and I would definitely take a look at the links there if you want to learn a bit more about them, especially the Valklears and Kamieras (there are some links to Chronicles about these two on that post as well). And yeah, the Valklears are scary mothers. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6472	Posted - 2014.02.02 19:41:00 - [112] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: I think one of the first replies I made on this thread was about elite military forces of the empires. You should find it near the top of page 1, and I would definitely take a look at the links there if you want to learn a bit more about them, especially the Valklears and Kamieras (there are some links to Chronicles about these two on that post as well). And yeah, the Valklears are scary mothers. Mmm I believe their is a chronicle somewhere about them making use of clone soldier grade weapons, despite I breaking limbs due to recoil.....just to get the job done. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6472	Posted - 2014.02.02 19:43:00 - [113] - Quote Ermac Vesely wrote: thanks Adamance for clearing that and I think my respect for the Valklears grew 10x in size ( at least they don't have to fight against space demons, immortal killer robots and giant coak roaches that bleed acid and zerg rush everything) But as with the Dirty Dozen and the Last Chancers you have to remember that no one in the Valklears is a "good guy". They are all violent bastards of the meanest sort, and the worst kinds of criminals the Minmatar have. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Ermac Vesely Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 7	Posted - 2014.02.02 20:33:00 - [114] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Ermac Vesely wrote: thanks Adamance for clearing that and I think my respect for the Valklears grew 10x in size ( at least they don't have to fight against space demons, immortal killer robots and giant coak roaches that bleed acid and zerg rush everything) But as with the Dirty Dozen and the Last Chancers you have to remember that no one in the Valklears is a "good guy". They are all violent bastards of the meanest sort, and the worst kinds of criminals the Minmatar have. I said I respect them I never said I sympathise with them. You have to admit if someone wants to fight for his/her freedom even in the face of impossible odds that requires a pair of caldari steel balls.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6481	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:49:00 - [115] - Quote Ermac Vesely wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ermac Vesely wrote: thanks Adamance for clearing that and I think my respect for the Valklears grew 10x in size ( at least they don't have to fight against space demons, immortal killer robots and giant coak roaches that bleed acid and zerg rush everything) But as with the Dirty Dozen and the Last Chancers you have to remember that no one in the Valklears is a "good guy". They are all violent bastards of the meanest sort, and the worst kinds of criminals the Minmatar have. I said I respect them I never said I sympathise with them. You have to admit if someone wants to fight for his/her freedom even in the face of impossible odds that requires a pair of caldari steel balls. Not if it means the spiritual degradation of his or her people....but we won't have this argument here. (( I say this being very much so able to divide and separate what I think IRL, and what I think about New Eden politics)) "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Ermac Vesely Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 7	Posted - 2014.02.02 23:15:00 - [116] - Quote you have your opinion I have mine thats okay I never said I wanna get in an argument because of that and yes in RL would that **** be extremly gruesome that I agree.
Alyssa Levine State Enforcers 0	Posted - 2014.02.16 20:58:00 - [117] - Quote True Adamance I would very much like you to help me with my character bio if that's ok
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7125	Posted - 2014.02.16 22:05:00 - [118] - Quote Alyssa Levine wrote: True Adamance I would very much like you to help me with my character bio if that's ok Can do, I actually need to finish up working on Fire of Promethius' bio but I will squad with him to do that, I can squad with you as well if you want, or Skype, or post in forum. Its up to you. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3653	Posted - 2014.02.16 23:32:00 - [119] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Alyssa Levine wrote: True Adamance I would very much like you to help me with my character bio if that's ok Can do, I actually need to finish up working on Fire of Promethius' bio but I will squad with him to do that, I can squad with you as well if you want, or Skype, or post in forum. Its up to you. I should be on tomorrow If a Canadian spots a bruised apple in the market, he would go up to it and ask "who did this to you?" I'm funny =ƒÿå
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7135	Posted - 2014.02.16 23:47:00 - [120] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: True Adamance wrote: Alyssa Levine wrote: True Adamance I would very much like you to help me with my character bio if that's ok Can do, I actually need to finish up working on Fire of Promethius' bio but I will squad with him to do that, I can squad with you as well if you want, or Skype, or post in forum. Its up to you. I should be on tomorrow TZ? since I work..... "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha

Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3722	Posted - 2014.02.17 00:05:00 - [121] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: True Adamance wrote: Alyssa Levine wrote: True Adamance I would very much like you to help me with my character bio if that's ok Can do, I actually need to finish up working on Fire of Promethius' bio but I will squad with him to do that, I can squad with you as well if you want, or Skype, or post in forum. Its up to you. I should be on tomorrow TZ? since I work..... Ah tomorrow's a holiday for me so I can go on whenever.....but I do have a history essay due on Tuesday so I'll be working on that Scout- "I'm going to knife you my commando!!!" commando turns around Commando- "FAAAAALCCCOOONNNNN PUUUUNNNCCCCHH!!"
Alyssa Levine State Enforcers 0	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:35:00 - [122] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Alyssa Levine wrote: True Adamance I would very much like you to help me with my character bio if that's ok Can do, I actually need to finish up working on Fire of Promethius' bio but I will squad with him to do that, I can squad with you as well if you want, or Skype, or post in forum. Its up to you. i would rather post on forums as i work nights so i can't promise certain times i will be online and i can come on to here whenever i have some free time
Oswald Rehnquist 1259	Posted - 2014.02.21 01:53:00 - [123] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Uhhh...haha, I don't know if I could EXPLAIN Caldanese to you (that IS what it's called, though) All I really know is it's very Asian in nature; Japanese to be specific, which is what i believe Caldari RP-ers use, though it definitely wouldn't be TRUE Japanese, but something descended from it. Very frequently seen, with names like the 'Shigeru' for the Leviathan that was over Caldari Prime, or the Kitsune-class (Kitsune is Fox in Japanese) Electronic Attack frigate. It would also be safe to say, that before the unified Caldari people existed, different languages and dialects existed between the Civire and Deteis as well, especially since both are of European, and not Asian, descent. A bump and a correction, its japanese/Finnish hybrid Below 28 dB
Dagger-Two Tharumec Villore Accords 237	Posted - 2014.02.21 20:31:00 - [124] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: Uhhh...haha, I don't know if I could EXPLAIN Caldanese to you (that IS what it's called, though) All I really know is it's very Asian in nature; Japanese to be specific, which is what i believe Caldari RP-ers use, though it definitely wouldn't be TRUE Japanese, but something descended from it. Very frequently seen, with names like the 'Shigeru' for the Leviathan that was over Caldari Prime, or the Kitsune-class (Kitsune is Fox in Japanese) Electronic Attack frigate. It would also be safe to say, that before the unified Caldari people existed, different languages and dialects existed between the Civire and Deteis as well, especially since both are of European, and not Asian, descent. A bump and a correction, its japanese/Finnish hybrid There is far too little information to so definitively say that, since the Caldari language has rarely, if ever, been actually used in official canon. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.


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