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Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:47:00 - [61] - Quote No, it was a "you've gone full batttits crazy now that someone has a viewpoint that proves you wrong, and the more angry you get the worse you look" type of thing really. Honestly, the insults I throw out are standard operation procedure when I talk to people. You however, you seem genuinely upset and frankly I find it hilarious that you think you can command me out of a thread in fear of making you look like a bigger joke. Thankfully though you don't need me to look like a joke. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:52:00 - [62] - Quote You keep saying you proved me wrong. What exactly did you prove wrong? What point do you think I was trying to make that you so elegantly destroyed and now stand so proud? I am genuinely upset that you are really this dumb. And I believe I asked you to stop posting here, not commanded. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:56:00 - [63] - Quote You yourself admitted that what I was talking about was confirmed after Adamance threw in his .02 ISK! Dude, you're just getting more and more entrenched downwards in your own ideas that it doesn't take that much to stand above you at this point. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 03:58:00 - [64] - Quote You can't even answer my question at this point because you yourself have no idea what you were arguing. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.28 04:09:00 - [65] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: You can't even answer my question at this point because you yourself have no idea what you were arguing. If Adamance says he has definitive proof of the height of the mercs, then that's great. I'll take it to heart. But when did I ever say in my post that they were not? When did I state a definitive statement about that or anything else I discussed. Do you not even understand that I was never arguing about whether or not they were 7 feet tall, but I was arguing the fact that you kept presenting speculations and not real, canonical proof? Do you even understand the nature of the argument you were JUST involved in? I'm calling your bull on this one. You said (maybe not verbatim, but you made your believes blatantly obvious) in pervious posts that you don't wish to think of mercenaries as anything more than your standard body type. You laid out reasons why you felt that they wouldn't be as tall as they are, which were all based from pulling at straws for what MIGHT be a practical answers while ignoring the facts of canon lore. And now that I've prove you wrong you are attempting to save yourself by arguing "I never directly said one thing or the other." That's passive-aggressive hogwash and earns no respect in my eyes. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 04:20:00 - [66] - Quote What I may have said in another thread has nothing to do with what was said in this thread, ESPECIALLY since what was said here was vastly different from what I said previously. I don't need to 'save' myself from anything. I admitted I had biases, but produced an un-biased answer to a question. Who is to say I have not changed my opinions on certain things since my previous posts? Thank you for proving that your entire tirade here has stemmed from a completely different topic, making this whole argument of yours here completely illegitimate. I asked for proof, you presented none, argument ensued, but where I have stood firm defending what I wrote, you now have to scrap at other threads, things i may have said in the past, to try and make this imaginary argument of yours against me seem worthwhile. I have some biases, some ways I would prefer to see the DUST canon be, but if it is not, I can't argue that. Show me proof of something being canon, and I will immediately accept it. Anyone can make, and is entitled to, speculations where canon is absent. You are looking more and more silly by the minute sir. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 168	Posted - 2013.12.28 04:47:00 - [67] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: What I may have said in another thread has nothing to do with what was said in this thread, ESPECIALLY since what was said here was vastly different from what I said previously. I don't need to 'save' myself from anything. I admitted I had biases, but produced an un-biased answer to a question. Who is to say I have not changed my opinions on certain things since my previous posts? Thank you for proving that your entire tirade here has stemmed from a completely different topic, making this whole argument of yours here completely illegitimate. I asked for proof, you presented none, argument ensued, but where I have stood firm defending what I wrote, you now have to scrap at other threads, things i may have said in the past, to try and make this imaginary argument of yours against me seem worthwhile. I have some biases, some ways I would prefer to see the DUST canon be, but if it is not, I can't argue that. Show me proof of something being canon, and I will immediately accept it. Anyone can make, and is entitled to, speculations where canon is absent. You are looking more and more silly by the minute sir. /emote crosses arms and eyes you with a cross of frustration and skepticism That. That right there. You're dealing with maybes and anecdotal statements to cover your own rear. That passive aggressive, underhanded tactic of "oh, I said that before so it's not relevant"... That's stupid. Stop that. /emote boops you on the nose But in the greater interest of my own time I think we have both said more than enough for anyone else reading this tantrum to divulge their own opinions. And by the by, feigning intelligence by using words like "tirade" doesn't really seem as alpha as you think it does. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 04:52:00 - [68] - Quote I don't need to feign intelligence, I have it in spades. The only underhanded one in all of this was you. Good day sir. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 04:53:00 - [69] - Quote So, back to the REAL purpose of this thread now. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4285	Posted - 2013.12.28 05:01:00 - [70] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Galm Fae wrote: Hehe. You're funny. In fact, you know what? No. I'm going to haunt this thread. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, spoooooky~ Translation: Dagger is right, he really DIDN'T try and push one viewpoint on anyone. Silly me. But I can't appologize, that would make me look weak on the internet. Instead I'll troll his thread! Genius! Wow. I mean I read all this, and I'm just speechless. You're probably even going to try and argue this too, but CCP Tony Gonzales (look up Templar One and see who wrote it) was the head of their fiction team for years, and wrote up all the backstory of this game. The information Galm has been presenting as come from Templar One and the Chronicles relating to Dust. If you're trying to say that those aren't "correct" or that they don't constitute proper evidence, I just don't know what to tell you. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 05:04:00 - [71] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: Galm Fae wrote: Hehe. You're funny. In fact, you know what? No. I'm going to haunt this thread. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, spoooooky~ Translation: Dagger is right, he really DIDN'T try and push one viewpoint on anyone. Silly me. But I can't appologize, that would make me look weak on the internet. Instead I'll troll his thread! Genius! Wow. I mean I read all this, and I'm just speechless. You're probably even going to try and argue this too, but CCP Tony Gonzales (look up Templar One and see who wrote it) was the head of their fiction team for years, and wrote up all the backstory of this game. The information Galm has been presenting as come from Templar One and the Chronicles relating to Dust. If you're trying to say that those aren't "correct" or that they don't constitute proper evidence, I just don't know what to tell you. I...never said any of that. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 765	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:10:00 - [72] - Quote Can you both just stop it? You're both equally big idiots continuing this pointless argument. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 27th
Mithridates VI Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2344	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:19:00 - [73] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: Can you both just stop it? You're both equally big idiots continuing this pointless argument. My position, here. This thread is now dedicated to your combined egos. Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 189	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:29:00 - [74] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: Can you both just stop it? You're both equally big idiots continuing this pointless argument. You're both right. Sorry that got so out of hand. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 169	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:42:00 - [75] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Denak Kalamari wrote: Can you both just stop it? You're both equally big idiots continuing this pointless argument. You're both right. Sorry that got so out of hand. Consider the following: Being an ass doesn't make me any less right. However if it truly is an issue to you then I'll get over it. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 765	Posted - 2013.12.28 07:47:00 - [76] - Quote Galm Fae wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: Denak Kalamari wrote: Can you both just stop it? You're both equally big idiots continuing this pointless argument. You're both right. Sorry that got so out of hand. Consider the following: Being an ass doesn't make me any less right. However if it truly is an issue to you then I'll get over it. The issue is not you disagreeing wity Dagger or vice versa, the problems is you both have overinflated egos and refuse to back down, resulting in pointless namecalling and insults with little actual debate being done. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 27th
Mithridates VI Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2345	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:13:00 - [77] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: [quote=Galm Fae][quote=Dagger-Two][quote=Denak Kalamari] Also, you say that that the shield of a shotgun is the length of an LAV's door, and that dropsuits stand half the height of a dropship. Then how tall is dropship? How long is an LAV's door? If we don't have any dimensions about these things, speculating their scale to normal people is pointless. A dropship could actually be 25 feet tall, which would make a clone soldier 12.5 feet. Or it could be five feet tall, making dusters 2.5 feet. The point is, if you can not give me any definite information about the scale of these things, using them as pointers to show how large dusters are isn't going anywhere. Also this. Are there any game assets not designed for merc use that we can scale ourselves against? And as an aside, when you're trying to bludgeon someone with your intellect, as both of you were plainly working to do, accusing them of "feigning intelligence" by attacking their vocabulary on the basis of pretty natural sounding word choices comes across as desperate anti-intellectualism. "WELL LOOK AT YOU, MR BIG WORDS" in response to "tirade" makes you seem rather foolish. /emote flicks both your noses Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 635	Posted - 2013.12.31 01:48:00 - [78] - Quote Fascinating thread. Thanks for starting it, Dagger. Even watching you and Galm spar I learned a fair amount. If you sift through the flame posts you both layout some nice stuff. On too questions... I understand the events of Templar One and where we are now in Dust lore...but there seems to be a bit of a skip zone in lore. I could use a hand if you can point me in the right direction. There has been discussion floated around that the Caldari tried to purge clone soldiers but now they are ok with the concept...any merit to this? How did dust tech proliferate so fast to pirate and secondary factions? Thanks!
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 192	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:26:00 - [79] - Quote The Templar's were essentially the first (functioning) of their kind, though all the other races were researching the technology behind the brain implants the sleepers had, to the same ends. There was a huge problem though (which is more explained in Templar-One). The use of actual sleeper implants, harvested from the bodies of the sleepers themselves, led to serious reprocussions. Basically, the sleepers had all but abandoned their material existence, and their consciousness' reside inside their own virtual universe. That was their purpose from the very beginning of the Jovian empire, to advance technology and society through a constructed virtual world, where they could make scientific advances at an incredible pace, not bound by the dangers that may come with experimenting in the real world. The implants they had allowed them to take their consciousness and become part of this virtual world, then return to their bodies with the knowledge gained. When the empires found the sleepers in their tomb-like stations, they mistook them for dead (at first). They had no idea that for each sleeper implant they stole, there was a whole consciousness inside the virtual world waiting to return. And thus, you had the first generation of clones, from all nations, going '514' as they say. When the sleeper returned to its implant, it returned to an already occupied brain. two beings sharing one mind drove the soldiers insane, resulting in a lot of horrible incidents. Jamyl Saurum attempted to warn the other races early on during this time, but they did not listen immediately, only when the situation grew worse. She did, however, also gift them a reverse-engineered version of the technology that the Amarr had made. With it, clone soldiers could remain a possibility while eliminating the need to harvest sleeper implants. After Tibus Heth was shot by a clone soldier during a rally, and another incident where a large amount of civilians died at a protest, Heth ordered the Caldari Navy to locate and destroy all clone soldiers they had, which at the time consisted ONLY of the 1st (sleeper) generation. (Note: The navy was very unhappy about this, since they saw the clone soldiers as great assets. Of all the things he did towards the end of his life, this was actually a good move by Tibus) The program continued using the Amarr technology, and the rest is history. The 2nd and 3rd generation of clones are made using empire technology, which is likely inferior in many ways to the sleeper implants, but functions well enough to make cloned soldiers a reality. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 203	Posted - 2014.01.16 00:34:00 - [80] - Quote Bump to keep this going Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.

True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5793	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:26:00 - [81] - Quote Do you know any of the answers to the following questions 1.) What is the process of emancipating a slave within the Empire? 2.) Is the Grey Market purely concerned with the manipulation of Caldari corporate script, or is their more to it like smuggling, etc? 3.) Can I assume the Worlds End arc of the Chronicles is true, that the Imperial superweapon is destroyed and that it had something to do with Seylin? Or am I butchering the text? 4.) What forms of marriage are practiced within the Empires, are there canonical reports of such ceremonies? 5.) Is Templar One worth reading? "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3285	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:23:00 - [82] - Quote True Adamance wrote: 2.) Is the Grey Market purely concerned with the manipulation of Caldari corporate script, or is their more to it like smuggling, etc? The Guristas are known to be involved in grey market trade in the Caldari State. Check under business. You wanna battle / Aztec's not afraid of you / I could care less about your reputation / Even though it maybe true.
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 203	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:15:00 - [83] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Do you know any of the answers to the following questions 1.) What is the process of emancipating a slave within the Empire? 2.) Is the Grey Market purely concerned with the manipulation of Caldari corporate script, or is their more to it like smuggling, etc? 3.) Can I assume the Worlds End arc of the Chronicles is true, that the Imperial superweapon is destroyed and that it had something to do with Seylin? Or am I butchering the text? 4.) What forms of marriage are practiced within the Empires, are there canonical reports of such ceremonies? 5.) Is Templar One worth reading? At work, so ill edit this for more answers when I get home. 3) correct. The isogen-5 stockpile went boom, and had very widespread reprocussions. 5) very much yes. I wouldn't recomme t 'Burning Life' though. Decent read, but rubs established canon the wrong way a lot. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5819	Posted - 2014.01.17 02:54:00 - [84] - Quote Again much thanks. Always get useful information from you. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 870	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:26:00 - [85] - Quote I'll just drop in here and comment that while Templar One and the Empyrean Age are okay books, they're bad lorepieces. Tony G. often makes up his own things which contradict the existing lore or are just plain silly in the first place in favor of moving forward the plot. One glaring example is the Broker and how he arranged Tibus Heth, a frigging forklift driver, into the head of Caldari State. I wish CCP would just quietly retcon that all and move on. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 14th
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 205	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:43:00 - [86] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: I'll just drop in here and comment that while Templar One and the Empyrean Age are okay books, they're bad lorepieces. Tony G. often makes up his own things which contradict the existing lore or are just plain silly in the first place in favor of moving forward the plot. One glaring example is the Broker and how he arranged Tibus Heth, a frigging forklift driver, into the head of Caldari State. I wish CCP would just quietly retcon that all and move on. I rather liked the broker as a character, personally. As for Heth's rise to power, as unbelievable as it way, I at least felt that the plot was made in such a way as to not discount it as an impossibility (though it still made you question how everything happening was even remotely possible) I agree that some of Tony G's writing was a bit contrary to the existing lore. CCP seems to be un-tony-izing the eve universe now. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 205	Posted - 2014.01.17 04:01:00 - [87] - Quote There are quite a few instances of the lore evolving as well, however, especially lore that was written very early on in the game's life. One good example is the appearance of Jovians. In the original entry on them, they are said to be very short, yet in subsequent fiction they are described as slender and of average height. The most immediate example I have of this is from the story 'Theodicy', a very well known one, though also written by Tony, "The Jovian was slender, and stood less than 180 centimeters tall." Granted, 1cm is less than 180, but it definitely gives the impression of an average, if not fairly tall, height. Contradiction to original, lore, but also one that makes sense considering how the lore behind the Jove also evolved. If they genetically engineered themselves, why would they make themselves of such small stature? It would be a huge disadvantage in many situations, not just those requiring physical strength. In the end, it's just one of many examples of lore pieces that have multiple different, yet legitimate, sources, with neither having ever been officially confirmed. Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 214	Posted - 2014.01.28 05:57:00 - [88] - Quote bumpity Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6319	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:57:00 - [89] - Quote Still looking into freeing slaves, marriage practices, and perhaps even now the organisational structure of Guristas. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
sir ravenwing BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 36	Posted - 2014.01.29 05:37:00 - [90] - Quote Question:how do the 4empires punish muderers/assassins Question:I never looked into the jove, Caldari, and Amarr histories can you link a article or something about them? Question:I have never bothered with the politics of new edan so is there something that can help me with that? Final question: is there any chance a 1/4intaki 1/4knhad 1/2 cicre could be accepted by the Amarr and not treated as a weaker race? Author of A Raven's Call/ we fight for nothing but the almighty ISK- Sir Ravenwing



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