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Dagger-Two
Gespenster Kompanie
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Posted - 2014.01.29 05:56:00 -
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sir ravenwing wrote:Question:how do the 4empires punish muderers/assassins  Question:I never looked into the jove, Caldari, and Amarr histories can you link a article or something about them? Question:I have never bothered with the politics of new edan so is there something that can help me with that? Final question: is there any chance a 1/4intaki 1/4knhad 1/2 cicre could be accepted by the Amarr and not treated as a weaker race?
I promise I will try to answer these tomorrow, for now I really have to get to bed.
I'll answer the last question though: That's quite a mix. The Amarrians don't see other races as 'weaker' per se, just as 'lesser'. The Amarr think that they have a divine purpose that none of the other races have, that they are set apart from the others. As such, 'citizenship' in the Empire is a bit of a tricky thing. If you are True Amarr, you have nearly unlimited potential for growth in the Empire. Uplifted races like the Khanid or Ni-Kunni, which have been fully inducted into Amarr society, can have nearly as much freedom as well, and can become Holders as well. With the recent emancipation of Minmatar slaves within the Empire, it is likely that we may even see Holders of Minmatar descent in several generations.
Unfortunately, someone with a mixed bloodline, especially when only a small minority of it is Amarr-related, would never achieve any sort of place within the empire beyond a commoner.
Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
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Dagger-Two
Gespenster Kompanie
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Posted - 2014.01.30 02:14:00 -
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sir ravenwing wrote:Question:how do the 4empires punish muderers/assassins Question:I never looked into the jove, Caldari, and Amarr histories can you link a article or something about them? Question:I have never bothered with the politics of new edan so is there something that can help me with that? Final question: is there any chance a 1/4intaki 1/4knhad 1/2 cicre could be accepted by the Amarr and not treated as a weaker race?
Ok, more answers:
1) However their respective legal systems demand. Like any crimes, severity determines appropriate punishment.
The Caldari have no centralized system of law. Instead each megacorp has its own justice system usually done by tribunal 'judges' (corp executives, really). Sentencing is up to the tribunal, but is typically fair by Caldari standards. As far as I know, economic crimes are typically punished with exile, while violent crimes are punished with incarceration. The death penalty likely also exists as a possibility.
The Gallente have a justice system very much like any modern Western one today, where defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty, have very specific rights, are represented by legal counsel, tried by a jury of their peers, etc. Punishments are also similar to today's standards. Incarceration is the preferred method of dealing with criminals, though the death penalty has been used many times in the past.
The Minmatar are generally fiery and quick to punish violent crimes against them, typically harshly. When Karin Midular was killed, the anger of the Minmatar people led to some very unfortunate clashes between them and the Gallente, who were holding the assassin (who also killed many Gallente civilians, at an even on Gallente soil) and trying him through Gallentean due-process. To the Minmatar, this due process was a waste of time and angered them. For violent crimes, especially against noteable individuals, civilians, or military personnel, expect Minmatar justice to be swift and come from the barrel of a gun.
The Amarr justice system incorporates incarceration, especially the kind during which you are punished psychologically, for many criminals (both of the Empire and from other nations). Another popular option is slavery. Many once proud Amarrians have had their life stripped away from them due to serious misdeeds, and found themselves 'given' the opportunity to rise again in favor through hard work as a slave.
2) I think the best place to start would be HERE. Here you will find shorter articles on each race generally giving a bit of insight into their nuances.
If you want to get REALLY in depth, here are links to the lore entries for each empire:
Amarr
Caldari
Gallente
Minmatar
In each you will find dozens of related links to events, people, stories, things, etc. The Gallente and Amarr ones even have "History Of..." entries, which give a very in depth history lesson of the two empires, spanning back millenia. Sadly, the Caldari and Minmatar do not have the same in-depth entries.
3) You'll have to be a bit more specific on that one, though I think the above links and histories should give you a good insight into the current politics of New Eden.
This Timeline may also help you decipher recent events. The info on THAT page itself is an overview, but once you get past the "Empyrean Age (YC 105 - Present)" header, you can click on the years themselves and see in detail what significant events happened in each month of that year. I believe some of the most recent years are still a bit incomplete, however.
Hope that helps!
Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
6381
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Posted - 2014.01.30 03:40:00 -
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sir ravenwing wrote:Question:how do the 4empires punish muderers/assassins Question:I never looked into the jove, Caldari, and Amarr histories can you link a article or something about them? Question:I have never bothered with the politics of new edan so is there something that can help me with that? Final question: is there any chance a 1/4intaki 1/4knhad 1/2 cicre could be accepted by the Amarr and not treated as a weaker race?
As for the final question the Amarr accept all who hold to the Faith but within the Empire there is still an long held and deeply ingrained social caste system. True Amarr are typically the most well respected peoples within the Empire having held positions of power for millennia.... the conquered races are .....well there are mixed opinions about them.
However for your purposes yes, you can and will be accepted but you will not be necessarily welcomes with open and loving arms. The Amarr value age and experience, loyalty and faith.
For example I might not look down upon you as I consider all God's children to be worthy of His love if they are willing to adopt the Faith....but those who openly spurn or critique the Empire I loose respect for. However other Amarr RPers might be different.
We Amarr like all people have our different opinions. Our Faith is shared, thoughts Uniform, but we celebrate the individuality inherent to us all as it is a gift from God.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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Ermac Vesely
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
6
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Posted - 2014.02.01 19:45:00 -
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I have two questions for this thread 1. on the point of supersoldiers we know that our clones are augemented at some places we don't know the details but can we maybe put them next to an example that would help us understand how powerful they are? I mean you guys already said they are no Space Marines but they can flip cars, tanks and dropships on every kind of gravity and they don't flinch when they are shot at could we maybe compare them to something like the spartans or would that be wrong ( not II gen spartans, more like the IV gen who are easily recreatable supersoldiers)?
2. I need help to stay in character when it comes to social rp I wanna get into it but my first attempt was a total mess because I havent read the response of someone else properly which ended in a disaster I need some tips for writing in that kind of way |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
989
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:16:00 -
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Ermac Vesely wrote:I have two questions for this thread 1. on the point of supersoldiers we know that our clones are augemented at some places we don't know the details but can we maybe put them next to an example that would help us understand how powerful they are? I mean you guys already said they are no Space Marines but they can flip cars, tanks and dropships on every kind of gravity and they don't flinch when they are shot at could we maybe compare them to something like the spartans or would that be wrong ( not II gen spartans, more like the IV gen who are easily recreatable supersoldiers)? Generally, you can think of augmentations that can help a soldier improve his effectiveness on the battlefield, but not do much, or even negatively impact, the clone's lifespan. Things like redundant organs don't fit into this picture, due to the fact that duster clones are designed to be expendable. However, things like enhanced muscle fibers to increase strength, neural implants to improve reaction time, integration with your dropsuit to improve general combat effectiveness at the expense of discomfort and lifespan are things that would make sense. Personally, I'd leave it general and vague like that until we get more info from CCP.
Ermac Vesely wrote:2. I need help to stay in character when it comes to social rp I wanna get into it but my first attempt was a total mess because I havent read the response of someone else properly which ended in a disaster I need some tips for writing in that kind of way I can't really guide you how to do this other than to read threads thoroughly and double-checking what you write to make sure you got it right. Also using paragraphs makes your posts a lot more readable instead of just writing one long block of text.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 29th
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Ermac Vesely
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
6
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:36:00 -
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Thanks Denak I hope next time I even dare to write in the forums that I don't forget to make it more readable ( seriously im afraid of screwing up again it's not even funny but on the other hand do I want to write which makes it worse!) |
Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
3403
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:40:00 -
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So for each empire, who are the "elite" or most feared/effective soldiers?
(Ie. gallente has black eagles, what's the amarr equivalent?)
Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command
A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
989
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:56:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:So for each empire, who are the "elite" or most feared/effective soldiers?
(Ie. gallente has black eagles, what's the amarr equivalent?)
The Black Eagles aren't really a military unit, they're a branch of the Federal Intelligence Office. The real life equivalent would most likely be the Secret Service of the white house.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 29th
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
3403
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Posted - 2014.02.01 21:58:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:So for each empire, who are the "elite" or most feared/effective soldiers?
(Ie. gallente has black eagles, what's the amarr equivalent?) The Black Eagles aren't really a military unit, they're a branch of the Federal Intelligence Office. The real life equivalent would most likely be the Secret Service of the white house.
Alright  thanks :)
What would be the amarr equivalent of a "black ops" squad or something?
Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command
A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
990
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:01:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:The Black Eagles aren't really a military unit, they're a branch of the Federal Intelligence Office. The real life equivalent would most likely be the Secret Service of the white house.
Alright thanks :)
What would be the amarr equivalent of a "black ops" squad or something?[/quote]
Well, I can't think of any out the top of my head, I think Dagger might have a better clue of this(unless you count the Templars). But generally, a black ops unit conflicts the nature of the Amarr in my opinion, and I don't think they have any equivalent of the sort. They just don't strike me as the kind of people who do top secret operations behind closed doors, when their mission is to spread the faith and convert the entire cluster into the Amarrian faith.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 29th
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
3403
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:02:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:The Black Eagles aren't really a military unit, they're a branch of the Federal Intelligence Office. The real life equivalent would most likely be the Secret Service of the white house. Alright thanks :) What would be the amarr equivalent of a "black ops" squad or something?
Well, I can't think of any out the top of my head, I think Dagger might have a better clue of this(unless you count the Templars). But generally, a black ops unit conflicts the nature of the Amarr in my opinion, and I don't think they have any equivalent of the sort. They just don't strike me as the kind of people who do top secret operations behind closed doors, when their mission is to spread the faith and convert the entire cluster into the Amarrian faith.[/quote]
Fair enough :)
How about Caldari? (I know they have mega corps etc, but which one is top dog?)
Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command
A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
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Ermac Vesely
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
6
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:30:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:The Black Eagles aren't really a military unit, they're a branch of the Federal Intelligence Office. The real life equivalent would most likely be the Secret Service of the white house. Alright thanks :) What would be the amarr equivalent of a "black ops" squad or something?
Well, I can't think of any out the top of my head, I think Dagger might have a better clue of this(unless you count the Templars). But generally, a black ops unit conflicts the nature of the Amarr in my opinion, and I don't think they have any equivalent of the sort. They just don't strike me as the kind of people who do top secret operations behind closed doors, when their mission is to spread the faith and convert the entire cluster into the Amarrian faith.[/quote]
what about the kameiras those guys seem to be very efficent infiltration units? |
Dagger-Two
Tharumec
220
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Posted - 2014.02.02 02:26:00 -
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Wow, lots of replies, haha.
Correct about the Black Eagles; they have a very elite group of soldiers, but are para-military since they are technically an intelligence organization.
In terms of the "elite of the elite", for the Amarr you have the Kamieras, Minmatar have the Valklears, and the Gallente/Caldari lack lore regarding this, though it's safe to say that they have very elite forces as well.
The Caldari Megacorps each have their own 'army', and each one is better funded, equipped, and trained than the unified State army, not to mention rival it in size as well. Therefore each megacorp would have its own elite units too. I have never come across any mentioned in lore, however.
The Amarr no doubt have spies and 'black-ops' type units as well, but again this isn't something that has come up in any lore I know of. I would imagine that the Kamieras do a fair bit of clandestine work. Denak definitely has a good point though, the Amarr typically don't hide their intentions.
It's so awesome to see other people answering questions on here as well.
Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
3410
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Posted - 2014.02.02 02:30:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:Wow, lots of replies, haha.
Correct about the Black Eagles; they have a very elite group of soldiers, but are para-military since they are technically an intelligence organization.
In terms of the "elite of the elite", for the Amarr you have the Kamieras, Minmatar have the Valklears, and the Gallente/Caldari lack lore regarding this, though it's safe to say that they have very elite forces as well.
The Caldari Megacorps each have their own 'army', and each one is better funded, equipped, and trained than the unified State army, not to mention rival it in size as well. Therefore each megacorp would have its own elite units too. I have never come across any mentioned in lore, however.
The Amarr no doubt have spies and 'black-ops' type units as well, but again this isn't something that has come up in any lore I know of. I would imagine that the Kamieras do a fair bit of clandestine work. Denak definitely has a good point though, the Amarr typically don't hide their intentions.
It's so awesome to see other people answering questions on here as well.
Thanks :)
So what would you say is the "big dog" of the Caldari corps? (Like Ishukone and kaalakiota)
Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command
A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
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Dagger-Two
Tharumec
221
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Posted - 2014.02.02 02:35:00 -
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Kaalakiota is definitely the most militarized of the Megacorps (as well as the largest), so if I were to guess on which one would have the 'best' military units, it would be them.
Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
3410
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Posted - 2014.02.02 02:41:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:Kaalakiota is definitely the most militarized of the Megacorps (as well as the largest), so if I were to guess on which one would have the 'best' military units, it would be them.
Awesome, thanks :)
Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command
A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
6466
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Posted - 2014.02.02 05:57:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Denak Kalamari wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:The Black Eagles aren't really a military unit, they're a branch of the Federal Intelligence Office. The real life equivalent would most likely be the Secret Service of the white house. Alright thanks :) What would be the amarr equivalent of a "black ops" squad or something? Well, I can't think of any out the top of my head, I think Dagger might have a better clue of this(unless you count the Templars). But generally, a black ops unit conflicts the nature of the Amarr in my opinion, and I don't think they have any equivalent of the sort. They just don't strike me as the kind of people who do top secret operations behind closed doors, when their mission is to spread the faith and convert the entire cluster into the Amarrian faith.
Fair enough :)
How about Caldari? (I know they have mega corps etc, but which one is top dog?)[/quote]
If we did have such a unit or organisation I believe it would fall under the jurisdiction of the Templar to carry out any and all of that of combat action. Think of the Templarsas not just defenders of the faith in the open, but also as an enforcing arm of the Theological Council as well as I suppose in some circumstances Commando's of the highest Amarrian calibre.
I also hate doing this but I consider the Templars in many respects to mirror the role of the Space Marines for 40k. They are not just soldiers made to defend the Faith, not just the best of the best of their empires armed forces, they fill many roles from front line combatants in hopeless warzones, to elite cover ops at the tip of the spear, to enforcers of the laws both openly and clandestinely, and more.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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Ermac Vesely
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
6
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Posted - 2014.02.02 14:53:00 -
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can we even call what the caldari have an army? I mean those guys are mostly members of a security service which most likely have more than just the job to fight against the gallente and pirates.
We are talking about Cops with basic military training who either solve crimes, have to fight down a riot or need to do some counter espionage in theyre mother corp, these guys are more like members of a swat unit than soldiers.
And on the point of Valklears aren't they criminals that were punished to serve in the well now "ex" republics army? These guys reminded me more of the Space marines from starcraft without the "southern states touch" and without the resocialization process. I don't deny that they could kick ass with the experience of a criminal life but calling them a spec ops unit could only work on a few very efficent squads. |
True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
6471
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Posted - 2014.02.02 18:17:00 -
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Ermac Vesely wrote:can we even call what the caldari have an army? I mean those guys are mostly members of a security service which most likely have more than just the job to fight against the gallente and pirates.
We are talking about Cops with basic military training who either solve crimes, have to fight down a riot or need to do some counter espionage in theyre mother corp, these guys are more like members of a swat unit than soldiers.
And on the point of Valklears aren't they criminals that were punished to serve in the well now "ex" republics army? These guys reminded me more of the Space marines from starcraft without the "southern states touch" and without the resocialization process. I don't deny that they could kick ass with the experience of a criminal life but calling them a spec ops unit could only work on a few very efficent squads.
Valklears are criminals who are offered a single chance by the Republic to clear their names by fighting and dying for the Republic by tackling the hardest and often times most impossible missions.
"In the great war for liberation the Minmatar tribes, finding themselves desperately lacking able-bodied men. They began pressing criminals into service, creating soldiers from their most dangerous criminals - their thieves, schemers, and murderers. The resulting force, dubbed the Valklears, won many victories and became notorious for their backgrounds. Though the leaders of the new Republic wanted to disband it, the military leaders objected and the program was kept. It has proven remarkably successful and continues to this day. "
See 40k Last Chancers, or the Dirty Dozen.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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Ermac Vesely
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
6
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Posted - 2014.02.02 18:38:00 -
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thanks Adamance for clearing that and I think my respect for the Valklears grew 10x in size ( at least they don't have to fight against space demons, immortal killer robots and giant coak roaches that bleed acid and zerg rush everything) |
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Dagger-Two
Tharumec
222
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Posted - 2014.02.02 19:35:00 -
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I think one of the first replies I made on this thread was about elite military forces of the empires. You should find it near the top of page 1, and I would definitely take a look at the links there if you want to learn a bit more about them, especially the Valklears and Kamieras (there are some links to Chronicles about these two on that post as well).
And yeah, the Valklears are scary mothers.
Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
6472
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Posted - 2014.02.02 19:41:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:I think one of the first replies I made on this thread was about elite military forces of the empires. You should find it near the top of page 1, and I would definitely take a look at the links there if you want to learn a bit more about them, especially the Valklears and Kamieras (there are some links to Chronicles about these two on that post as well).
And yeah, the Valklears are scary mothers.
Mmm I believe their is a chronicle somewhere about them making use of clone soldier grade weapons, despite I breaking limbs due to recoil.....just to get the job done.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
6472
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Posted - 2014.02.02 19:43:00 -
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Ermac Vesely wrote:thanks Adamance for clearing that and I think my respect for the Valklears grew 10x in size ( at least they don't have to fight against space demons, immortal killer robots and giant coak roaches that bleed acid and zerg rush everything)
But as with the Dirty Dozen and the Last Chancers you have to remember that no one in the Valklears is a "good guy". They are all violent bastards of the meanest sort, and the worst kinds of criminals the Minmatar have.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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Ermac Vesely
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.02.02 20:33:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ermac Vesely wrote:thanks Adamance for clearing that and I think my respect for the Valklears grew 10x in size ( at least they don't have to fight against space demons, immortal killer robots and giant coak roaches that bleed acid and zerg rush everything) But as with the Dirty Dozen and the Last Chancers you have to remember that no one in the Valklears is a "good guy". They are all violent bastards of the meanest sort, and the worst kinds of criminals the Minmatar have.
I said I respect them I never said I sympathise with them. You have to admit if someone wants to fight for his/her freedom even in the face of impossible odds that requires a pair of caldari steel balls. |
True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
6481
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Posted - 2014.02.02 22:49:00 -
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Ermac Vesely wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ermac Vesely wrote:thanks Adamance for clearing that and I think my respect for the Valklears grew 10x in size ( at least they don't have to fight against space demons, immortal killer robots and giant coak roaches that bleed acid and zerg rush everything) But as with the Dirty Dozen and the Last Chancers you have to remember that no one in the Valklears is a "good guy". They are all violent bastards of the meanest sort, and the worst kinds of criminals the Minmatar have. I said I respect them I never said I sympathise with them. You have to admit if someone wants to fight for his/her freedom even in the face of impossible odds that requires a pair of caldari steel balls.
Not if it means the spiritual degradation of his or her people....but we won't have this argument here.
(( I say this being very much so able to divide and separate what I think IRL, and what I think about New Eden politics))
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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Ermac Vesely
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.02.02 23:15:00 -
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you have your opinion I have mine thats okay I never said I wanna get in an argument because of that and yes in RL would that **** be extremly gruesome that I agree. |
Alyssa Levine
State Enforcers
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Posted - 2014.02.16 20:58:00 -
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True Adamance I would very much like you to help me with my character bio if that's ok |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7125
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Posted - 2014.02.16 22:05:00 -
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Alyssa Levine wrote:True Adamance I would very much like you to help me with my character bio if that's ok
Can do, I actually need to finish up working on Fire of Promethius' bio but I will squad with him to do that, I can squad with you as well if you want, or Skype, or post in forum.
Its up to you.
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
3653
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Posted - 2014.02.16 23:32:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Alyssa Levine wrote:True Adamance I would very much like you to help me with my character bio if that's ok Can do, I actually need to finish up working on Fire of Promethius' bio but I will squad with him to do that, I can squad with you as well if you want, or Skype, or post in forum. Its up to you.
I should be on tomorrow 
If a Canadian spots a bruised apple in the market, he would go up to it and ask "who did this to you?"
I'm funny =ƒÿå
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7135
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Posted - 2014.02.16 23:47:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Alyssa Levine wrote:True Adamance I would very much like you to help me with my character bio if that's ok Can do, I actually need to finish up working on Fire of Promethius' bio but I will squad with him to do that, I can squad with you as well if you want, or Skype, or post in forum. Its up to you. I should be on tomorrow
TZ? since I work.....
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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